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	Comments on: Chuck Beatty is right: L. Ron Hubbard lofted culty cosmic ideas a decade before &#8216;Dianetics&#8217;	</title>
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		By: Amanda De		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This might be particularly useful Iif given to current Scientologists, yes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be particularly useful Iif given to current Scientologists, yes?</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2016 18:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-1/#comment-1323917&quot;&gt;funnybroad&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientology:   Past Lives Talk Therapy Escapism (rewrite your very own galactic history to sooth your mind about yourself).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-1/#comment-1323917">funnybroad</a>.</p>
<p>Scientology:   Past Lives Talk Therapy Escapism (rewrite your very own galactic history to sooth your mind about yourself).</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2016 10:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-1/#comment-1324742&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

lol

ron the mobile home air mouth breather.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-1/#comment-1324742">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>lol</p>
<p>ron the mobile home air mouth breather&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Tony Ortega		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Ortega]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1332542&quot;&gt;bethmannchen&lt;/a&gt;.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-and-the-occult-hugh-urbans-new-exploration-of-l-ron-hubbard-and-aleister-crowley-6662160]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1332542">bethmannchen</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-and-the-occult-hugh-urbans-new-exploration-of-l-ron-hubbard-and-aleister-crowley-6662160" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.villagevoice.com/news/scientology-and-the-occult-hugh-urbans-new-exploration-of-l-ron-hubbard-and-aleister-crowley-6662160</a></p>
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		By: bethmannchen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2016 03:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One part of the Critics see his Science Fictions as the source of LRH&#039;s &quot;elaborated Science&quot;, and another part his &quot;Connections&quot; to Aleister Crowley as his only source. Nowhere I ever read, that both aspects in fact are interlaced into Scientology&#039;s weird stuff. 

In a holiday in summer 1945 he was invited to John Whiteside &quot;Jack&quot; Parsons in Pasadena for the first time. Here LRH may have heard of Alistair Crowley, OrdoTempli Orientis, Thelema etc. It was also in this time when LRH, allways broke and trying to borrow money, whenever talking about being hard up he often used to say that he thought the easiest way to make money would be to start a religion. To learn as much as possible for that task, Parsons was a cheap and willing teacher.

Eventually LRH came to the conclusion, that neither his nearly no pension as veteran, nor his poorly written space operas will ever support a decent living. &quot;Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law&quot; may have sounded more attractive...? However, when he left the Veterans Hospital, he went strait to John Whiteside &quot;Jack&quot; Parsons. 

Crowley at that time was financially broke, severely ill, depending on money donated by followers worldwide, living in a spare room in a friends attic at Hastings (about 35 miles from Saint Hill Manor, later bought by LRH in 1959). Crowley eventually died 1. December 1947, totally forgotten by society, barely a dozen people attending his funeral. 

LRH never met Crowley personally, not even had contact in writing with that old man in England. Parsons only once asked Crowley in a Letter for Permission, to introduce LRH into the tiny-tiny american branch of the Cult (6 to 12 followers maybe) O.T.O. So when LRH sometimes uttered &quot;My dear friend Crowley...&quot;, that was a blunt lie. 

Together with Parsons LRH fiddled a little around with magick, rituals, ceremonies, free love and stuff. After he meant to have learned to get the hang of &quot;enchanting&quot; followers enough to squeeze money out of &quot;true believers&quot; he decided it was time to get on his own legs somehow. 

To get enough cash in hands for a start, he talked Parsons into the deal of starting trading yachts in another city. After depriving him of his live-savings, and his girlfriend LRH took to his heels. He actually bought a yacht as promised, but than set of for the mysterious &quot;Expedition for navigating by radio along shores&quot;. Poor now broke Parsons could not get hold of him or sue him easily and .

When you look up Thelema in Wikipedia, you will find a vast amount of astounding similarities to Scientology. Where Crowley&#039;s inspiration came from ancient Egypt, LRH placed his &quot;source of wisdom&quot; somewhere in space. Where Crowley uses his language from 19. century, LRH let his stuff sound a little more scientific and up to date. He just blow up Crowley&#039;s &quot;Your Duties&quot; A to D a bit to fit better for space as well and called the stuff the dynamics 1 to 8... 

Here is the &quot;introduction into Crowley&#039;s Ethics&quot;, strait from his Book of Low: &quot;Crime being a direct spiritual violation of the Law of Thelema, it should not be tolerated in the community. Those who possess the instinct should be segregated in a settlement to build up a state of their own, so to learn the necessity of themselves imposing and maintaining rules of justice. All artificial crimes should be abolished. When fantastic restrictions disappear, the greater freedom of the individual will itself teach him to avoid acts, which really restrict natural rights. Thus real crime will diminish automatically.&quot;

The only one great difference is, that in May 2009 Thelema was recognised by Her Majesty&#039;s Court Service in the United Kingdom as a religion, whereas The UK government has not, and probably will never ever, classify the Church of Scientology as religious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One part of the Critics see his Science Fictions as the source of LRH&#8217;s &#8220;elaborated Science&#8221;, and another part his &#8220;Connections&#8221; to Aleister Crowley as his only source. Nowhere I ever read, that both aspects in fact are interlaced into Scientology&#8217;s weird stuff. </p>
<p>In a holiday in summer 1945 he was invited to John Whiteside &#8220;Jack&#8221; Parsons in Pasadena for the first time. Here LRH may have heard of Alistair Crowley, OrdoTempli Orientis, Thelema etc. It was also in this time when LRH, allways broke and trying to borrow money, whenever talking about being hard up he often used to say that he thought the easiest way to make money would be to start a religion. To learn as much as possible for that task, Parsons was a cheap and willing teacher.</p>
<p>Eventually LRH came to the conclusion, that neither his nearly no pension as veteran, nor his poorly written space operas will ever support a decent living. &#8220;Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law&#8221; may have sounded more attractive&#8230;? However, when he left the Veterans Hospital, he went strait to John Whiteside &#8220;Jack&#8221; Parsons. </p>
<p>Crowley at that time was financially broke, severely ill, depending on money donated by followers worldwide, living in a spare room in a friends attic at Hastings (about 35 miles from Saint Hill Manor, later bought by LRH in 1959). Crowley eventually died 1. December 1947, totally forgotten by society, barely a dozen people attending his funeral. </p>
<p>LRH never met Crowley personally, not even had contact in writing with that old man in England. Parsons only once asked Crowley in a Letter for Permission, to introduce LRH into the tiny-tiny american branch of the Cult (6 to 12 followers maybe) O.T.O. So when LRH sometimes uttered &#8220;My dear friend Crowley&#8230;&#8221;, that was a blunt lie. </p>
<p>Together with Parsons LRH fiddled a little around with magick, rituals, ceremonies, free love and stuff. After he meant to have learned to get the hang of &#8220;enchanting&#8221; followers enough to squeeze money out of &#8220;true believers&#8221; he decided it was time to get on his own legs somehow. </p>
<p>To get enough cash in hands for a start, he talked Parsons into the deal of starting trading yachts in another city. After depriving him of his live-savings, and his girlfriend LRH took to his heels. He actually bought a yacht as promised, but than set of for the mysterious &#8220;Expedition for navigating by radio along shores&#8221;. Poor now broke Parsons could not get hold of him or sue him easily and .</p>
<p>When you look up Thelema in Wikipedia, you will find a vast amount of astounding similarities to Scientology. Where Crowley&#8217;s inspiration came from ancient Egypt, LRH placed his &#8220;source of wisdom&#8221; somewhere in space. Where Crowley uses his language from 19. century, LRH let his stuff sound a little more scientific and up to date. He just blow up Crowley&#8217;s &#8220;Your Duties&#8221; A to D a bit to fit better for space as well and called the stuff the dynamics 1 to 8&#8230; </p>
<p>Here is the &#8220;introduction into Crowley&#8217;s Ethics&#8221;, strait from his Book of Low: &#8220;Crime being a direct spiritual violation of the Law of Thelema, it should not be tolerated in the community. Those who possess the instinct should be segregated in a settlement to build up a state of their own, so to learn the necessity of themselves imposing and maintaining rules of justice. All artificial crimes should be abolished. When fantastic restrictions disappear, the greater freedom of the individual will itself teach him to avoid acts, which really restrict natural rights. Thus real crime will diminish automatically.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only one great difference is, that in May 2009 Thelema was recognised by Her Majesty&#8217;s Court Service in the United Kingdom as a religion, whereas The UK government has not, and probably will never ever, classify the Church of Scientology as religious.</p>
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		By: red_spherical_object		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2016 04:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Go to archive.org and download the April, 1928 issue of Amazing Stories. There&#039;s an interesting advertisement in it.

&quot;Cash in&quot; on Your
Unrealized Abilities
Psycho-Analysis Is Remaking Men and Women Into Glorious Successes by Enabling Them to &quot;Find&quot; and &quot;Cash In&quot; on Their Hidden Powers for Their Own Personal Advancement.&quot; 

I&#039;ve a hunch a certain teenage boy found that ad interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to archive.org and download the April, 1928 issue of Amazing Stories. There&#8217;s an interesting advertisement in it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cash in&#8221; on Your<br />
Unrealized Abilities<br />
Psycho-Analysis Is Remaking Men and Women Into Glorious Successes by Enabling Them to &#8220;Find&#8221; and &#8220;Cash In&#8221; on Their Hidden Powers for Their Own Personal Advancement.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a hunch a certain teenage boy found that ad interesting.</p>
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		By: The Queen of Ice and Flame		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Queen of Ice and Flame]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2016 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[O Most Puissant Proprietor, no download of the story?  I was actually going to read this (accompanied by some sangria and the strongest rose soliflore I could find and apply) and I could have sworn there was a link to a .pdf.... ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O Most Puissant Proprietor, no download of the story?  I was actually going to read this (accompanied by some sangria and the strongest rose soliflore I could find and apply) and I could have sworn there was a link to a .pdf&#8230;. </p>
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		By: GemmaLouHarris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GemmaLouHarris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1326418&quot;&gt;Avid Miskaridge&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, that&#039;s doing nothing for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1326418">Avid Miskaridge</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s doing nothing for me.</p>
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		By: Avid Miskaridge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avid Miskaridge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1326410&quot;&gt;GemmaLouHarris&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientology is failing anyway, you&#039;re going to be left with the outer piece of a very rotten onion. JAW is going to age with dementia, given that he hates psychs your time with him is going to be very trying. He&#039;s already showing signs of being delusional--can&#039;t stop the wave of entheta coming your way. 

I hope you don&#039;t get to see the real Gollum. His precious &quot;Scientology&quot; is quickly hemorrhaging money &#038; losing members all because of David Miscavige right? If you are reading this, this means you still have an ounce of self-determinism and can read the writing on the wall about that man. Miscavige has not appeared in any public broadcast since Brokaw. Ask yourself, does he have the caliber of supposed comm skills? What is he hiding? If you are looking for a way out--that&#039;s a different story altogether. We can help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1326410">GemmaLouHarris</a>.</p>
<p>Scientology is failing anyway, you&#8217;re going to be left with the outer piece of a very rotten onion. JAW is going to age with dementia, given that he hates psychs your time with him is going to be very trying. He&#8217;s already showing signs of being delusional&#8211;can&#8217;t stop the wave of entheta coming your way. </p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t get to see the real Gollum. His precious &#8220;Scientology&#8221; is quickly hemorrhaging money &amp; losing members all because of David Miscavige right? If you are reading this, this means you still have an ounce of self-determinism and can read the writing on the wall about that man. Miscavige has not appeared in any public broadcast since Brokaw. Ask yourself, does he have the caliber of supposed comm skills? What is he hiding? If you are looking for a way out&#8211;that&#8217;s a different story altogether. We can help.</p>
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		By: GemmaLouHarris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GemmaLouHarris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1326405&quot;&gt;Avid Miskaridge&lt;/a&gt;.

And I would say that, for example, I would go away about my business for the day and I guarantee you she would have posted about me at least 5 times by the time I get back. My feed? None. I only respond to her lies about me. They are not opinions. She directs them at me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/15/chuck-beatty-is-right-l-ron-hubbard-lofted-culty-cosmic-ideas-a-decade-before-dianetics/comment-page-3/#comment-1326405">Avid Miskaridge</a>.</p>
<p>And I would say that, for example, I would go away about my business for the day and I guarantee you she would have posted about me at least 5 times by the time I get back. My feed? None. I only respond to her lies about me. They are not opinions. She directs them at me.</p>
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