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		By: Gus_Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304129&quot;&gt;John Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG, the douchebaggery!  That assbag Cardone showing off how rich he is (probably in debt to his eyeballs though), and this twit Mappin prattling on like Bruce Wiseman about utterly inane shit (with the boom mic hanging unabashedly in camera view). Christ, I can&#039;t stand it.  I just can&#039;t stand it.]]></description>
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<p>OMG, the douchebaggery!  That assbag Cardone showing off how rich he is (probably in debt to his eyeballs though), and this twit Mappin prattling on like Bruce Wiseman about utterly inane shit (with the boom mic hanging unabashedly in camera view). Christ, I can&#8217;t stand it.  I just can&#8217;t stand it.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There actually WAS a system of checks and balances in place BEFORE Miscavige started winding his serpent tail around everything.

Hubbard set up a system where there was one person in charge of every major division on the org board. They would be in charge of that area personally, internationally. If there were changes that were to be made, these seven high ranking officers would have an executive council of some sort and compare policy and decide on the greatest good on what the outcome should be.

For example: 

Ken Urquhart CS-7 for L. RON HUBBARD Founder - He was over the Executive Division - legal, estates, planning, etc.
In 1969, Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-1 - in this position, she was over Division One, Hubbard Communications Division - Ethics officers, reception and routing of communication, etc.
Tony Dunleavy CS-2 - In charge of Division 2, Dissemination Division - in charge of Central Files, promoting to existing public, registration of existing public, keeping stats.
Lt. Vicki Polimeni CS-3 - Treasury Division - In charge of income, disbursements, etc. 
Lt. Cmdr. Joan Robertson CS-4 (Is this Bill Robertson&#039;s wife?) - in charge of the Technical Division - Auditing, Case Supervising, Folder administration, etc.
Irene Dunleavy CS-5 - Qualifications Division - Staff training, correction of auditors, etc.
Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-6 - (She must have been double hatted) - in charge of all dissemination WW, public courses, intro auditing, Field Staff Members, Chaplians, etc. 


Plus, the watchdog committee, that kept an eye on everything, over all, so the &quot;tech&quot; stayed pure and everything was going along as it should. There was a lot of expansion going on while this system was in place.

I think that most of these people are out or dead, aren&#039;t they? Diana might be the only one, still-in. Anybody know?


Anyway, this is the way Ron set it up originally and it was workable. As a matter of fact, the thing that finally made me decide that I was never going back is when I found out that NONE of these positions where any longer in force or being held by anyone and that the only people you could report to were RTC. And I knew that they were too close to the top to do anything about anyone. 



I thought that staying in was the only way to change it because you lost your power to be heard if you went out. Well, you aren&#039;t heard in the church anyway. We have more of a chance of being heard (or read) here on Tony&#039;s blog or Mike Rinder&#039;s. 



So there you go. This was the way Ron set it up before he worried about being put in jail, etc. 



All of the original OEC&#039;s have these notes on the PLs.
Indie8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There actually WAS a system of checks and balances in place BEFORE Miscavige started winding his serpent tail around everything.</p>
<p>Hubbard set up a system where there was one person in charge of every major division on the org board. They would be in charge of that area personally, internationally. If there were changes that were to be made, these seven high ranking officers would have an executive council of some sort and compare policy and decide on the greatest good on what the outcome should be.</p>
<p>For example: </p>
<p>Ken Urquhart CS-7 for L. RON HUBBARD Founder &#8211; He was over the Executive Division &#8211; legal, estates, planning, etc.<br />
In 1969, Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-1 &#8211; in this position, she was over Division One, Hubbard Communications Division &#8211; Ethics officers, reception and routing of communication, etc.<br />
Tony Dunleavy CS-2 &#8211; In charge of Division 2, Dissemination Division &#8211; in charge of Central Files, promoting to existing public, registration of existing public, keeping stats.<br />
Lt. Vicki Polimeni CS-3 &#8211; Treasury Division &#8211; In charge of income, disbursements, etc.<br />
Lt. Cmdr. Joan Robertson CS-4 (Is this Bill Robertson&#8217;s wife?) &#8211; in charge of the Technical Division &#8211; Auditing, Case Supervising, Folder administration, etc.<br />
Irene Dunleavy CS-5 &#8211; Qualifications Division &#8211; Staff training, correction of auditors, etc.<br />
Lt. Cmdr. Diana Hubbard CS-6 &#8211; (She must have been double hatted) &#8211; in charge of all dissemination WW, public courses, intro auditing, Field Staff Members, Chaplians, etc. </p>
<p>Plus, the watchdog committee, that kept an eye on everything, over all, so the &#8220;tech&#8221; stayed pure and everything was going along as it should. There was a lot of expansion going on while this system was in place.</p>
<p>I think that most of these people are out or dead, aren&#8217;t they? Diana might be the only one, still-in. Anybody know?</p>
<p>Anyway, this is the way Ron set it up originally and it was workable. As a matter of fact, the thing that finally made me decide that I was never going back is when I found out that NONE of these positions where any longer in force or being held by anyone and that the only people you could report to were RTC. And I knew that they were too close to the top to do anything about anyone. </p>
<p>I thought that staying in was the only way to change it because you lost your power to be heard if you went out. Well, you aren&#8217;t heard in the church anyway. We have more of a chance of being heard (or read) here on Tony&#8217;s blog or Mike Rinder&#8217;s. </p>
<p>So there you go. This was the way Ron set it up before he worried about being put in jail, etc. </p>
<p>All of the original OEC&#8217;s have these notes on the PLs.<br />
Indie8</p>
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		By: Qbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304129&quot;&gt;John Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

Steven Cobert is so much more clever ~  https://youtu.be/WpKiP_gmDS8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304129">John Smith</a>.</p>
<p>Steven Cobert is so much more clever ~  <a href="https://youtu.be/WpKiP_gmDS8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/WpKiP_gmDS8</a></p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1306179&quot;&gt;Jens TINGLEFF&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe people in the Korean war were allegedly brainwashed. And North Korea has been known to use the methods the Chinese pioneered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1306179">Jens TINGLEFF</a>.</p>
<p>I believe people in the Korean war were allegedly brainwashed. And North Korea has been known to use the methods the Chinese pioneered.</p>
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		By: OOkpik		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is an amazing, blog and it is sad that it has, so far, not gotten the attention it deserves. 

I almost missed it by logging in late in the day to the top post, not expecting two in one day.
I&#039;m so glad that Robert E. clued me in.
Great stuff, Tony. I love fireworks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an amazing, blog and it is sad that it has, so far, not gotten the attention it deserves. </p>
<p>I almost missed it by logging in late in the day to the top post, not expecting two in one day.<br />
I&#8217;m so glad that Robert E. clued me in.<br />
Great stuff, Tony. I love fireworks!</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1305559&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

As I remember it, Jon Atack&#039;s &quot;opening minds: the secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing&quot; points first to Lifton&#039;s book and then to the Chinese being the accomplished brainwashers (not the North Koreans).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1305559">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>As I remember it, Jon Atack&#8217;s &#8220;opening minds: the secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing&#8221; points first to Lifton&#8217;s book and then to the Chinese being the accomplished brainwashers (not the North Koreans).</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 09:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304129&quot;&gt;John Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

well, in fairness, Mr Mappin has done better than Captain David &quot;he is NOT insane!&quot; Miscavige and his media network (snort!).


But I had to stop after three minutes, my toes were curling too hard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304129">John Smith</a>.</p>
<p>well, in fairness, Mr Mappin has done better than Captain David &#8220;he is NOT insane!&#8221; Miscavige and his media network (snort!).</p>
<p>But I had to stop after three minutes, my toes were curling too hard.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1305881&quot;&gt;jazzlover&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh,  I was just pressured to disconnect from her a few thousand times. You know, that&#039;s how Scientology builds strong families !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1305881">jazzlover</a>.</p>
<p>Oh,  I was just pressured to disconnect from her a few thousand times. You know, that&#8217;s how Scientology builds strong families !</p>
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		By: Franklin Adams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franklin Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304308&quot;&gt;Draco&lt;/a&gt;.

A lot of the more overtly racist loonies on the far right in the US admire Rhodesia and South Africa prior to 1994. They generally know nothing about what really went on there in the context of the cold war or how things have been since.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304308">Draco</a>.</p>
<p>A lot of the more overtly racist loonies on the far right in the US admire Rhodesia and South Africa prior to 1994. They generally know nothing about what really went on there in the context of the cold war or how things have been since.</p>
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		By: Franklin Adams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franklin Adams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2016 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304165&quot;&gt;PickAnotherID&lt;/a&gt;.

And at the CST facility in the mountains north of L.A. too. Y&#039;know, to keep the bears out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/02/01/scientology-faces-a-trademark-fight-weve-been-waiting-for-but-will-it-get-spoiled/comment-page-1/#comment-1304165">PickAnotherID</a>.</p>
<p>And at the CST facility in the mountains north of L.A. too. Y&#8217;know, to keep the bears out.</p>
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