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		By: CLEARly pissed off		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CLEARly pissed off]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2016 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1310627&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Me!&lt;/a&gt;.

The only names I remember from those mentioned is Laurie.  She was sort of caustic and demeaning to everyone.  She somehow liked me, maybe because I was making PE money (I was in Treasury).  Why did you ask me about the Visks, were they friends of yours? And was the name Alan Fisk?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1310627">It&#8217;s Me!</a>.</p>
<p>The only names I remember from those mentioned is Laurie.  She was sort of caustic and demeaning to everyone.  She somehow liked me, maybe because I was making PE money (I was in Treasury).  Why did you ask me about the Visks, were they friends of yours? And was the name Alan Fisk?</p>
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		By: It's Me!		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1310627</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[It's Me!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 22:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309183&quot;&gt;CLEARly pissed off&lt;/a&gt;.

Not that I recall, but she could have been there...I was in an RPF section (team) for the renos labor, and then once I was assigned a post within SIPRO, I had to keep my head down (you know literally not make eye contact) to try to avoid unnecessary attention/abuse...Laurie was effective but very caustic &#038; demeaning to RPFers, Dave or Mike Revel (forget which) was equally effective but nicer maybe didn&#039;t have to try as hard, or just had more compassion? and Vicky Marshall was pretty cruel...those are the only names I recall....the rest are all just faces... it was a long time ago and I was only 15/16, but blotted out is a good term....me too until the past few years...lately I&#039;ve been reflecting on it all with old friends, immediate &#038; extended family that were affected, and overall it&#039;s been good to confront it. Hopefully if enough of us are willing to, we can make a difference :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309183">CLEARly pissed off</a>.</p>
<p>Not that I recall, but she could have been there&#8230;I was in an RPF section (team) for the renos labor, and then once I was assigned a post within SIPRO, I had to keep my head down (you know literally not make eye contact) to try to avoid unnecessary attention/abuse&#8230;Laurie was effective but very caustic &amp; demeaning to RPFers, Dave or Mike Revel (forget which) was equally effective but nicer maybe didn&#8217;t have to try as hard, or just had more compassion? and Vicky Marshall was pretty cruel&#8230;those are the only names I recall&#8230;.the rest are all just faces&#8230; it was a long time ago and I was only 15/16, but blotted out is a good term&#8230;.me too until the past few years&#8230;lately I&#8217;ve been reflecting on it all with old friends, immediate &amp; extended family that were affected, and overall it&#8217;s been good to confront it. Hopefully if enough of us are willing to, we can make a difference 🙂</p>
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		By: littlefish		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1303413&quot;&gt;Sid (Phil Jones)&lt;/a&gt;.

Bunkerites should all print a copy (or 100) and mail in individually, addressed to this office as though it&#039;s official mail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1303413">Sid (Phil Jones)</a>.</p>
<p>Bunkerites should all print a copy (or 100) and mail in individually, addressed to this office as though it&#8217;s official mail.</p>
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		By: littlefish		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[littlefish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1303109&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Half a mind to collect my dog&#039;s leavings for a year and send them to this guy all wrapped up with a bow. What a Rat with a capital R. Thanks for all you do Karen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1303109">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>Half a mind to collect my dog&#8217;s leavings for a year and send them to this guy all wrapped up with a bow. What a Rat with a capital R. Thanks for all you do Karen.</p>
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		By: It's Me!		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309311</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[It's Me!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309183&quot;&gt;CLEARly pissed off&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t recall her, but it&#039;s possible I guess...I was RPF, first assigned to renos under SIPRO, then assigned a post within SIPRO, which created a pretty hostile environment for me...I really had to keep my head down (literally not make eye contact) ...from the SIPRO staff I remember one of the Revel (sp) brothers Mike/ Dave? Jolie Marsh (was also an RPFer) &#038; her sister, Leah Remini&#039;s mother Vicky Marshall, and the rest are all faces...it was a LONG time ago and I was only 15/16.. blotted out is a great way to describe it...Ive been revisiting it all lately too, trying to piece it all together. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309183">CLEARly pissed off</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall her, but it&#8217;s possible I guess&#8230;I was RPF, first assigned to renos under SIPRO, then assigned a post within SIPRO, which created a pretty hostile environment for me&#8230;I really had to keep my head down (literally not make eye contact) &#8230;from the SIPRO staff I remember one of the Revel (sp) brothers Mike/ Dave? Jolie Marsh (was also an RPFer) &amp; her sister, Leah Remini&#8217;s mother Vicky Marshall, and the rest are all faces&#8230;it was a LONG time ago and I was only 15/16.. blotted out is a great way to describe it&#8230;Ive been revisiting it all lately too, trying to piece it all together. 🙂</p>
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		By: Fred G. Haseney		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1306023&quot;&gt;Bernie&lt;/a&gt;.

In 1977, Scientology love bombed me in Salt Lake City; I left the Cherch of Scientology onlt after I saw the news item that the late Mary Sue Hubbard&#039;s dog had died (August 2014; the dog had lived like a king in MSH&#039;s house for eleven years. Only when it died could the estate then go to her &quot;rightful&quot; heirs). I hear what you&#039;re saying/writing about a difference in Scientology&#039;s age groups: the son of a neighbor, a Registrar at LA Org, once referred to me (in a totally nice way) as an &quot;Old Scientologist.&quot; Beauty is key to the world of advertising: I once saw billboards covering a local mall undergoing a make-over (renovation). Those billboards were photos of the site once the renos were done; photos of beautiful young people. I noticed that and wondered: &lt;i&gt;Where are all the older folk?&lt;/i&gt; Thank God we&#039;re out of the Cherch of Scientology (I second that, Bernie!).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1306023">Bernie</a>.</p>
<p>In 1977, Scientology love bombed me in Salt Lake City; I left the Cherch of Scientology onlt after I saw the news item that the late Mary Sue Hubbard&#8217;s dog had died (August 2014; the dog had lived like a king in MSH&#8217;s house for eleven years. Only when it died could the estate then go to her &#8220;rightful&#8221; heirs). I hear what you&#8217;re saying/writing about a difference in Scientology&#8217;s age groups: the son of a neighbor, a Registrar at LA Org, once referred to me (in a totally nice way) as an &#8220;Old Scientologist.&#8221; Beauty is key to the world of advertising: I once saw billboards covering a local mall undergoing a make-over (renovation). Those billboards were photos of the site once the renos were done; photos of beautiful young people. I noticed that and wondered: <i>Where are all the older folk?</i> Thank God we&#8217;re out of the Cherch of Scientology (I second that, Bernie!).</p>
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		By: CLEARly pissed off		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CLEARly pissed off]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309173&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Me!&lt;/a&gt;.

So, did you work with Bitty Miscavige doing SIPRO work?  I knew her from the Apollo when she was 14 years old.  I seem to recall the Visks, yes.  Alan Visk I think (?) but don&#039;t remember her name.  A long time ago and since I blotted out everything to do with that time period, for 34 years at least and until most recently, I often forget names/faces.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1309173">It&#8217;s Me!</a>.</p>
<p>So, did you work with Bitty Miscavige doing SIPRO work?  I knew her from the Apollo when she was 14 years old.  I seem to recall the Visks, yes.  Alan Visk I think (?) but don&#8217;t remember her name.  A long time ago and since I blotted out everything to do with that time period, for 34 years at least and until most recently, I often forget names/faces.</p>
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		By: It's Me!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[It's Me!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 19:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1307807&quot;&gt;CLEARly pissed off&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, I would never have recognized him from Fred&#039;s pics..he has aged dramatically...so very sad to imaging senior citizen slaving away, and having done so their entire adult lives...tragic....SIPRO was Scientology International Property Restoration Organization...responsible for all the renos projects (we did the FH ballroom, penthouse, theme rooms, &#038; roofs during the year I was there ...if I recall she had been the CO Estates Org prior...I wonder, do you recall the Visk&#039;s from the ship?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1307807">CLEARly pissed off</a>.</p>
<p>Wow, I would never have recognized him from Fred&#8217;s pics..he has aged dramatically&#8230;so very sad to imaging senior citizen slaving away, and having done so their entire adult lives&#8230;tragic&#8230;.SIPRO was Scientology International Property Restoration Organization&#8230;responsible for all the renos projects (we did the FH ballroom, penthouse, theme rooms, &amp; roofs during the year I was there &#8230;if I recall she had been the CO Estates Org prior&#8230;I wonder, do you recall the Visk&#8217;s from the ship?</p>
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		By: Gus_Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lawyer wrote that?  What unprofessional crap.  It looks more like that asshole Miscavige wrote it, and then that asshole Bert Deixler typed it up on his letterhead.  

Maybe he&#039;s going to be the new Karen Pouw, Oracle of His Limp Dickness David Miscavige.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lawyer wrote that?  What unprofessional crap.  It looks more like that asshole Miscavige wrote it, and then that asshole Bert Deixler typed it up on his letterhead.  </p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s going to be the new Karen Pouw, Oracle of His Limp Dickness David Miscavige.</p>
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		By: CLEARly pissed off		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CLEARly pissed off]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2016 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1306748&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Me!&lt;/a&gt;.

Dave was indeed married to Laurie.  Those pics look like Dave alright.  I don&#039;t know what SIPRIO is.  After getting busted from INT to Flag in 81 or 82, Laurie was already divorced or split up from Dave.  She was my senior when I put the pedal to the metal from Flag and never looked back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/31/scientology-attorney-bert-deixler-writes-a-threat-letter-to-karen-de-la-carriere-over-tv-show/comment-page-1/#comment-1306748">It&#8217;s Me!</a>.</p>
<p>Dave was indeed married to Laurie.  Those pics look like Dave alright.  I don&#8217;t know what SIPRIO is.  After getting busted from INT to Flag in 81 or 82, Laurie was already divorced or split up from Dave.  She was my senior when I put the pedal to the metal from Flag and never looked back.</p>
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