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	Comments on: Scientology&#8217;s state of the union, 2016: Former spokesman Mike Rinder predicts &#8216;more pain&#8217;	</title>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1287736&quot;&gt;Tory Christman&lt;/a&gt;.

A lot of people hope you feel better and miss you. You don&#039;t see all of us but we watch your videos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1287736">Tory Christman</a>.</p>
<p>A lot of people hope you feel better and miss you. You don&#8217;t see all of us but we watch your videos.</p>
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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tory Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2016 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1275371&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanka, Mockingbird....workin&#039; on it, and Missionary kid is outside, helping me, as I type. :) 
The amazing joy of friends!
^ ^ They r fantastic when u r well.
When &quot;off your feet for 2 months&quot;...I can&#039;t
Put in words how much u ALL mean to me!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1275371">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Thanka, Mockingbird&#8230;.workin&#8217; on it, and Missionary kid is outside, helping me, as I type. 🙂<br />
The amazing joy of friends!<br />
^ ^ They r fantastic when u r well.<br />
When &#8220;off your feet for 2 months&#8221;&#8230;I can&#8217;t<br />
Put in words how much u ALL mean to me!!</p>
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		By: Matt Galindo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Galindo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2016 03:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps somebody should explain to professor Dave Touretzky that Alister Crowley was NOT a Satanist but a Thelemite. Crowley&#039;s image of Satan was that of a Judeo-Christian or biblical stand point hence his nick name of the &quot;Great Beast 666&quot;. Sure, there may be some similarities between Satanism and Thelema but not much]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps somebody should explain to professor Dave Touretzky that Alister Crowley was NOT a Satanist but a Thelemite. Crowley&#8217;s image of Satan was that of a Judeo-Christian or biblical stand point hence his nick name of the &#8220;Great Beast 666&#8221;. Sure, there may be some similarities between Satanism and Thelema but not much</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Trujillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 18:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a 1972 HCOPL entitled &quot;Leadership&quot;, Hubbard actually discourages his followers from becoming wise leaders in favor of simply enforcing obedience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a 1972 HCOPL entitled &#8220;Leadership&#8221;, Hubbard actually discourages his followers from becoming wise leaders in favor of simply enforcing obedience.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 01:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1276375&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

With the actual number of laws that have been passed ... and rarely ended ... it would be a marvel of efficiency for them all to be enforced.  So they pick and choose which ever ones fit their political needs. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1276375">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>With the actual number of laws that have been passed &#8230; and rarely ended &#8230; it would be a marvel of efficiency for them all to be enforced.  So they pick and choose which ever ones fit their political needs. 🙂</p>
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		By: OOkpik		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OOkpik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2016 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1274027&quot;&gt;Shorpy&lt;/a&gt;.

Now, that&#039;s classy. 

Thanks Shorpy. Sometimes passions flare and commenters get hurt. I didn&#039;t want to see that happen to either of you. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1274027">Shorpy</a>.</p>
<p>Now, that&#8217;s classy. </p>
<p>Thanks Shorpy. Sometimes passions flare and commenters get hurt. I didn&#8217;t want to see that happen to either of you. 🙂</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 23:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1275870&quot;&gt;Peter&lt;/a&gt;.

I actually was trying to put an obviously exaggerated strawman argument up. I have heard lots of laws aren&#039;t consistently enforced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1275870">Peter</a>.</p>
<p>I actually was trying to put an obviously exaggerated strawman argument up. I have heard lots of laws aren&#8217;t consistently enforced.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1274686&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Current laws proscribe that.  They&#039;re simply not being enforced, especially at the Fed level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-1/#comment-1274686">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Current laws proscribe that.  They&#8217;re simply not being enforced, especially at the Fed level.</p>
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		By: Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1275705&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the psychological support. Twenty four hours after the post came up I felt like I was yelling in an empty house. 


It wouldn&#039;t have mattered who Behar went to. Anyone who had their eyes open could have fed information for that article, even me. 


Also, Rinder sounded as though he hated Miscavige and felt Miscavige was an incompetent. The centre of it is that Hubbard was a fraud. I gave it up in the middle and who knows, it could be the second half was devoted to that but most of what I heard sounded like anger and lack of respect towards Miscavige. (Don&#039;t get me wrong. I think Miscavige is horrible as well).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1275705">Bert Allen</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the psychological support. Twenty four hours after the post came up I felt like I was yelling in an empty house. </p>
<p>It wouldn&#8217;t have mattered who Behar went to. Anyone who had their eyes open could have fed information for that article, even me. </p>
<p>Also, Rinder sounded as though he hated Miscavige and felt Miscavige was an incompetent. The centre of it is that Hubbard was a fraud. I gave it up in the middle and who knows, it could be the second half was devoted to that but most of what I heard sounded like anger and lack of respect towards Miscavige. (Don&#8217;t get me wrong. I think Miscavige is horrible as well).</p>
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		By: Bert Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1275253&quot;&gt;Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack&lt;/a&gt;.

I was also struck by Rinder&#039;s denunciation of Fishman.  I think it is undisputed that Fishman was a conman, but it has never been proven to my satisfaction that he lied about the COS to Behar.   I know that Behar interviewed many many people for that article.  I do not know if any of them supported any of Fishman&#039;s statements.  I do believe Behar&#039;s article was the beginning of the movement that has resulted in the massive decline of the COS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/scientologys-state-of-the-union-2016-former-spokesman-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/comment-page-2/#comment-1275253">Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack</a>.</p>
<p>I was also struck by Rinder&#8217;s denunciation of Fishman.  I think it is undisputed that Fishman was a conman, but it has never been proven to my satisfaction that he lied about the COS to Behar.   I know that Behar interviewed many many people for that article.  I do not know if any of them supported any of Fishman&#8217;s statements.  I do believe Behar&#8217;s article was the beginning of the movement that has resulted in the massive decline of the COS.</p>
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