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		By: Miss Tia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Tia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-1244566&quot;&gt;Evey Hammond&lt;/a&gt;.

you know, when i made the lyric vids last year i TRIED to do a bouncing ball thing and that was sort of impossible for me to do with the video program i have.....i have the lyrics on the screen to go with the music though..... all 8 of the ones i did last year in a playlist i made back then....

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg_aBY0dI-4NfzjVJIf3NSLMGttLTmTU9]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-1244566">Evey Hammond</a>.</p>
<p>you know, when i made the lyric vids last year i TRIED to do a bouncing ball thing and that was sort of impossible for me to do with the video program i have&#8230;..i have the lyrics on the screen to go with the music though&#8230;.. all 8 of the ones i did last year in a playlist i made back then&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg_aBY0dI-4NfzjVJIf3NSLMGttLTmTU9" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg_aBY0dI-4NfzjVJIf3NSLMGttLTmTU9</a></p>
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		By: FredEX		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredEX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-1244688&quot;&gt;ReallyMGM&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep! That Z-pac should do it! Feel better soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-1244688">ReallyMGM</a>.</p>
<p>Yep! That Z-pac should do it! Feel better soon.</p>
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		By: flyonthewall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flyonthewall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245886&quot;&gt;perth&#039;sup&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve never seen Primus b4, very excited.  I like them but am not a super fan or anything.


I did see Perfect Circle though and it was amazing.  It was an outdoor venue and when they took the stage all these super dark storm clouds just converged over us and everyone was like &quot;oh shit wtf is goin on here!&quot;.  This was for their first album.


I will have a full report on the Tool concert, never fear!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245886">perth&#8217;sup</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen Primus b4, very excited.  I like them but am not a super fan or anything.</p>
<p>I did see Perfect Circle though and it was amazing.  It was an outdoor venue and when they took the stage all these super dark storm clouds just converged over us and everyone was like &#8220;oh shit wtf is goin on here!&#8221;.  This was for their first album.</p>
<p>I will have a full report on the Tool concert, never fear!</p>
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		By: perth'sup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[perth'sup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 01:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245728&quot;&gt;flyonthewall&lt;/a&gt;.

So Jelly... Primus too! I&#039;ve seen Tool once here in P-town and A Perfect Circle once here too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245728">flyonthewall</a>.</p>
<p>So Jelly&#8230; Primus too! I&#8217;ve seen Tool once here in P-town and A Perfect Circle once here too.</p>
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		By: flyonthewall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flyonthewall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245257&quot;&gt;perth&#039;sup&lt;/a&gt;.

Ditto.  I am seeing them in concert next month w/Primus.  Hopefully they will play some new unreleased stuff.  Last time I saw them was in 2001 for Lateralus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245257">perth&#8217;sup</a>.</p>
<p>Ditto.  I am seeing them in concert next month w/Primus.  Hopefully they will play some new unreleased stuff.  Last time I saw them was in 2001 for Lateralus.</p>
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		By: B4you		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[B4you]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245207&quot;&gt;daytoncapri&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s funny since, this time i went &quot;in&quot; with the full purpose of see what was going on, signed a contract posted myself and everyone was happy.  Then the Freewinds events started and the Strait up and vertical idiocy. Watching those people close up, was unbelievable. I was living with a guy that just went &quot;Clear&quot;  an pawned all he got to get to the next level on the bridge. He even dragged me in as test subject on his Meter. I almost imploded his mind because nothing worked as it should. He could not make sense out of those reads! Ha ha! You know - if you notice how your body is reacting during a real session, you can basically just mimic those reactions later.
It was a joke! all ready.


I also learned fast how to play the piano and almost ended up in the seaborg. I have luckily a very few regrets regarding, promoting $ientology or getting people involved. But i am sure that there are some who doesn&#039;t speak up! just because.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245207">daytoncapri</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny since, this time i went &#8220;in&#8221; with the full purpose of see what was going on, signed a contract posted myself and everyone was happy.  Then the Freewinds events started and the Strait up and vertical idiocy. Watching those people close up, was unbelievable. I was living with a guy that just went &#8220;Clear&#8221;  an pawned all he got to get to the next level on the bridge. He even dragged me in as test subject on his Meter. I almost imploded his mind because nothing worked as it should. He could not make sense out of those reads! Ha ha! You know &#8211; if you notice how your body is reacting during a real session, you can basically just mimic those reactions later.<br />
It was a joke! all ready.</p>
<p>I also learned fast how to play the piano and almost ended up in the seaborg. I have luckily a very few regrets regarding, promoting $ientology or getting people involved. But i am sure that there are some who doesn&#8217;t speak up! just because.</p>
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		By: Hennessy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hennessy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-1243918&quot;&gt;perth&#039;sup&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL!  Love this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-1/#comment-1243918">perth&#8217;sup</a>.</p>
<p>LOL!  Love this.</p>
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		By: noseinabk		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[noseinabk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245143&quot;&gt;seriouslyWTF&lt;/a&gt;.

I hate to see this guy dupe any of the exes.  He probably has five fake accounts for every one that he is using a variation of his real name.  I will see if I can get a frequent  twitter user to have a look and let people know. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1245143">seriouslyWTF</a>.</p>
<p>I hate to see this guy dupe any of the exes.  He probably has five fake accounts for every one that he is using a variation of his real name.  I will see if I can get a frequent  twitter user to have a look and let people know. </p>
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		By: perth'sup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[perth'sup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1244807&quot;&gt;flyonthewall&lt;/a&gt;.

Man. I love TOOL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1244807">flyonthewall</a>.</p>
<p>Man. I love TOOL.</p>
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		By: daytoncapri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daytoncapri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 16:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1244800&quot;&gt;B4you&lt;/a&gt;.

Love it!  You gamed the system!  Hell, you pranked the system!  

I wasn&#039;t in very long, but I caught on pretty quick on what they were looking for, so I gave them what they wanted. I was a very fast learner, consumed a lot of info quickly, and generated something of a buzz in that little mission.  In the meantime, being a guy with no money, I was snatching and reading all sorts of tech materials$$$ that was supposed to be controlled, or, at least, not left out.  That...and the Malko and Kaufman books which I got from the local library.  The Mission even invested $$$ in me, paying for a couple of my courses. 

As I look back, the turning point was the &quot;aha&quot; experience of recognizing LRH&#039;s ethics as genuinely ugly. Then I discovered that I could be even more dishonest, clever and devious than them. In the end, I really didn&#039;t like them, and hated what I was becoming. 

On a personal level; I feel bad, to this day, for the then-franchise owner of the Mission.  He made bad choices in risking his little fortune in scientology, and he should not have given me so much.

But they didn&#039;t lose me completely, as I continued to squirrel on with the tech from unexpected places.This stuff would be for sale in the Penny-saver newspapers (this was pre-internet, and pre-Craig&#039;s list). I picked up one book for cheap, thanks to a now-defunct radio station in Piqua OH.  I grabbed Corydon&#039;s book for cheap, with its replacement cover, on the cut-out table at a Walden bookstore. I continued to search for the same stuff - for free - on the internet. Instead of an e-meter, I got a bio-feedback monitor on close-out for about $15 from Radio-Shack. http://www.extremenxt.com/blog/?page_id=317

I followed the tech in my own way, without lying, cheating and stealing.  

More than any other place on the net, I thank Tony and this forum for helping me to ultimately get free from this crap.  Well...almost.  Abreaction seems to work for me yet, the some of comm course still stick, and I am such a squirrel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/07/jeffrey-augustine-part-two-of-his-conversation-with-jesse-prince/comment-page-2/#comment-1244800">B4you</a>.</p>
<p>Love it!  You gamed the system!  Hell, you pranked the system!  </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t in very long, but I caught on pretty quick on what they were looking for, so I gave them what they wanted. I was a very fast learner, consumed a lot of info quickly, and generated something of a buzz in that little mission.  In the meantime, being a guy with no money, I was snatching and reading all sorts of tech materials$$$ that was supposed to be controlled, or, at least, not left out.  That&#8230;and the Malko and Kaufman books which I got from the local library.  The Mission even invested $$$ in me, paying for a couple of my courses. </p>
<p>As I look back, the turning point was the &#8220;aha&#8221; experience of recognizing LRH&#8217;s ethics as genuinely ugly. Then I discovered that I could be even more dishonest, clever and devious than them. In the end, I really didn&#8217;t like them, and hated what I was becoming. </p>
<p>On a personal level; I feel bad, to this day, for the then-franchise owner of the Mission.  He made bad choices in risking his little fortune in scientology, and he should not have given me so much.</p>
<p>But they didn&#8217;t lose me completely, as I continued to squirrel on with the tech from unexpected places.This stuff would be for sale in the Penny-saver newspapers (this was pre-internet, and pre-Craig&#8217;s list). I picked up one book for cheap, thanks to a now-defunct radio station in Piqua OH.  I grabbed Corydon&#8217;s book for cheap, with its replacement cover, on the cut-out table at a Walden bookstore. I continued to search for the same stuff &#8211; for free &#8211; on the internet. Instead of an e-meter, I got a bio-feedback monitor on close-out for about $15 from Radio-Shack. <a href="http://www.extremenxt.com/blog/?page_id=317" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.extremenxt.com/blog/?page_id=317</a></p>
<p>I followed the tech in my own way, without lying, cheating and stealing.  </p>
<p>More than any other place on the net, I thank Tony and this forum for helping me to ultimately get free from this crap.  Well&#8230;almost.  Abreaction seems to work for me yet, the some of comm course still stick, and I am such a squirrel.</p>
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