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	Comments on: Twenty years ago today: The final hours of Lisa McPherson&#8217;s Scientology life	</title>
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		By: daisy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daisy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1242504&quot;&gt;Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)&lt;/a&gt;.

AWWW]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1242504">Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)</a>.</p>
<p>AWWW</p>
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		By: daisy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daisy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1242419&quot;&gt;Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)&lt;/a&gt;.

You are right I use those hands for beverages]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1242419">Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)</a>.</p>
<p>You are right I use those hands for beverages</p>
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		By: daisy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daisy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1242659&quot;&gt;MrsLurksALot&lt;/a&gt;.

I know you are fine, just keep your friends close, they will help pull you through, they will help you on the days when you are not find. The bunker is a good resource My e-mail addy is pnichol@live.com I will leave it up until I know you got it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1242659">MrsLurksALot</a>.</p>
<p>I know you are fine, just keep your friends close, they will help pull you through, they will help you on the days when you are not find. The bunker is a good resource My e-mail addy is <a href="mailto:pnichol@live.com">pnichol@live.com</a> I will leave it up until I know you got it</p>
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		By: Eric Schneider		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Schneider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s still out there, the unfunny truth: http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s still out there, the unfunny truth: <a href="http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/</a></p>
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		By: perth'sup		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[perth'sup]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1245859&quot;&gt;cedilla&lt;/a&gt;.

I thought we sorted this out? That comment was from the other day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1245859">cedilla</a>.</p>
<p>I thought we sorted this out? That comment was from the other day.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2015 02:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1244296&quot;&gt;FredEX&lt;/a&gt;.

Yea, you would have, I&#039;m sure.


The layering of mindset and rationale for becoming a cult member, it&#039;s claustrophobic smothering drowning in stuff you definitely just say fuck it all and head for the surface and get the heck out.


That&#039;s why people blow (escape) even leave behind their families, because it just gets too much.  


Someone ought to have done exactly what you yourself would have done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1244296">FredEX</a>.</p>
<p>Yea, you would have, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
<p>The layering of mindset and rationale for becoming a cult member, it&#8217;s claustrophobic smothering drowning in stuff you definitely just say fuck it all and head for the surface and get the heck out.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why people blow (escape) even leave behind their families, because it just gets too much.  </p>
<p>Someone ought to have done exactly what you yourself would have done.</p>
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		By: FredEX		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredEX]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1241618&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s true Chuck. I misspoke in a post above when I said if I was there I would have called authorities, etc. That&#039;s just what I would&#039;ve done in hindsight. 

When you are a Scientologist you are completely brainwashed into thinking ONLY Scientology knows how to help and has all the answers. Calling for help outside of Scientology wouldn&#039;t be done. It would pretty much be like admitting outloud that Scientology wasn&#039;t working...~a definite &#039;ethics&#039; violation to even to say outloud that you&#039;ve ever considered that it doesn&#039;t work. Scientologists are taught that if it isn&#039;t working then it&#039;s bc YOU and others are applying the &#039;tech&#039; incorrectly. 

Also~when you are a Scientologist you learn to think of those in the outside of Scientology are mere &#039;WOGS&#039; and of course the Feds &#038; Gov. are suppressive...so they only ones you&#039;d turn to would be other Scientologists. You&#039;d have to be exceptionally brave to tell another Scientologist that Lisa needed more help than Scientology could give her...bc for sure the other Scientilogist would tell someone what you said, probably write you up and you&#039;d get sent to Ethics for being in &#039;doubt&#039;...or worse. To question Scientology could potentially cost you everything...family, friends...your reputation, work &#038; perhaps and even your &#039;eternity&#039;.

But knowing what I know now? I would&#039;ve pulled the damn fire alarm and picked that girl up and run out of the building with her all the way to the hospital if I could&#039;ve...and the HELL with Scientology. I wouldn&#039;t want to spend my &#039;eternity&#039; with Scientologists anyway.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1241618">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true Chuck. I misspoke in a post above when I said if I was there I would have called authorities, etc. That&#8217;s just what I would&#8217;ve done in hindsight. </p>
<p>When you are a Scientologist you are completely brainwashed into thinking ONLY Scientology knows how to help and has all the answers. Calling for help outside of Scientology wouldn&#8217;t be done. It would pretty much be like admitting outloud that Scientology wasn&#8217;t working&#8230;~a definite &#8216;ethics&#8217; violation to even to say outloud that you&#8217;ve ever considered that it doesn&#8217;t work. Scientologists are taught that if it isn&#8217;t working then it&#8217;s bc YOU and others are applying the &#8216;tech&#8217; incorrectly. </p>
<p>Also~when you are a Scientologist you learn to think of those in the outside of Scientology are mere &#8216;WOGS&#8217; and of course the Feds &amp; Gov. are suppressive&#8230;so they only ones you&#8217;d turn to would be other Scientologists. You&#8217;d have to be exceptionally brave to tell another Scientologist that Lisa needed more help than Scientology could give her&#8230;bc for sure the other Scientilogist would tell someone what you said, probably write you up and you&#8217;d get sent to Ethics for being in &#8216;doubt&#8217;&#8230;or worse. To question Scientology could potentially cost you everything&#8230;family, friends&#8230;your reputation, work &amp; perhaps and even your &#8216;eternity&#8217;.</p>
<p>But knowing what I know now? I would&#8217;ve pulled the damn fire alarm and picked that girl up and run out of the building with her all the way to the hospital if I could&#8217;ve&#8230;and the HELL with Scientology. I wouldn&#8217;t want to spend my &#8216;eternity&#8217; with Scientologists anyway.</p>
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		By: Andrea 'i-Betty' Garner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea 'i-Betty' Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1241336&quot;&gt;PickAnotherID&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve been away. &lt;i&gt;So&lt;/i&gt; glad to see you are up and about again! Please thank you daughter from us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-1/#comment-1241336">PickAnotherID</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been away. <i>So</i> glad to see you are up and about again! Please thank you daughter from us all.</p>
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		By: Nightshade09		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nightshade09]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Murderers! That’s all that comes to mind when reading this story. Scientologists are nothing but murderers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murderers! That’s all that comes to mind when reading this story. Scientologists are nothing but murderers.</p>
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		By: vicariousthrill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vicariousthrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2015 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1242814&quot;&gt;Qbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Q! This is helpful. I will try it when I get to my computer. This is an old iPad, no photos. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/12/05/twenty-years-ago-today-the-final-hours-of-lisa-mcphersons-scientology-life/comment-page-2/#comment-1242814">Qbird</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Q! This is helpful. I will try it when I get to my computer. This is an old iPad, no photos. </p>
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