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	Comments on: Lisa McPherson&#8217;s last opportunity for standard care ended 20 years ago today	</title>
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		By: ArnieLerma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArnieLerma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 15:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1283710&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

In the winter of 1995 I got a telephone call from Det Sgt Tom Miller, who said, Arnie, look at THIS page on the CWPD site and he gave me a link. There was a police request for information, I then told Jeff Jacobsen and he started up Lisamcpherson.org.

Mr Eckart, you are free to accuse of me of what you are practicing so expertly., assuming facts not in evidence.. The paint fumes story 
never entered my mind as it was not in my mind at the time, and was not part of the original stories in print and most of the readers here were still
 in scientology. I would not be surprised that it may have been inserted after the ocmb posting 
describing the conversation I had with my doctor as a handling by osa, 
but that is just speculation also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1283710">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>In the winter of 1995 I got a telephone call from Det Sgt Tom Miller, who said, Arnie, look at THIS page on the CWPD site and he gave me a link. There was a police request for information, I then told Jeff Jacobsen and he started up Lisamcpherson.org.</p>
<p>Mr Eckart, you are free to accuse of me of what you are practicing so expertly., assuming facts not in evidence.. The paint fumes story<br />
never entered my mind as it was not in my mind at the time, and was not part of the original stories in print and most of the readers here were still<br />
 in scientology. I would not be surprised that it may have been inserted after the ocmb posting<br />
describing the conversation I had with my doctor as a handling by osa,<br />
but that is just speculation also.</p>
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		By: Robert Eckert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Eckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1283602&quot;&gt;ArnieLerma&lt;/a&gt;.

And at this point rather than tell him about the paint fume exposure that you know to be true, you speculate about PCP for no reason except a desire to confabulate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1283602">ArnieLerma</a>.</p>
<p>And at this point rather than tell him about the paint fume exposure that you know to be true, you speculate about PCP for no reason except a desire to confabulate.</p>
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		By: ArnieLerma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArnieLerma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1282929&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

Emphasis mine:

&quot;He said I see an old person
I said, she was in her 30&#039;s.
HE SAID, then she was on drugs.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1282929">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>Emphasis mine:</p>
<p>&#8220;He said I see an old person<br />
I said, she was in her 30&#8217;s.<br />
HE SAID, then she was on drugs.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Robert Eckert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Eckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1282205&quot;&gt;ArnieLerma&lt;/a&gt;.

You had a choice to mention that she&#039;d been subjected to a lot of paint fumes but instead you chose to ask leading questions about PCP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1282205">ArnieLerma</a>.</p>
<p>You had a choice to mention that she&#8217;d been subjected to a lot of paint fumes but instead you chose to ask leading questions about PCP.</p>
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		By: ArnieLerma		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ArnieLerma]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2016 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1221507&quot;&gt;Kim O&#039;Brien&lt;/a&gt;.

A conversation I had with my physician can be perceived any way you desire, I do not have that &#039;choice&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-1/#comment-1221507">Kim O&#8217;Brien</a>.</p>
<p>A conversation I had with my physician can be perceived any way you desire, I do not have that &#8216;choice&#8217;.</p>
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		By: safeweb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[safeweb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2015 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1221610&quot;&gt;Science Doc&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Science Doc, it does sound like you went through a lot with that surgery but you have totally hijacked this thread on to something about yourself when it was about Lisa McPherson on the anniversary of her accident. I think there would have been a better time for you to bring up this surgery news. Hijacking a thread is not appropriate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1221610">Science Doc</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Science Doc, it does sound like you went through a lot with that surgery but you have totally hijacked this thread on to something about yourself when it was about Lisa McPherson on the anniversary of her accident. I think there would have been a better time for you to bring up this surgery news. Hijacking a thread is not appropriate.</p>
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		By: Margie8		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1225079</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222187&quot;&gt;Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, it was clearly for Suppressive People!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222187">Graham</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, it was clearly for Suppressive People!</p>
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		By: Margie8		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1225077</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222192&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, Tony!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222192">Tony Ortega</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tony!</p>
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		By: Margie8		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222190&quot;&gt;pixie dust&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222190">pixie dust</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		By: Margie8		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2015 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222196&quot;&gt;OOkpik&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you! It&#039;s keeping my nosy a** focused! I&#039;d  like to figure out a way to deal with this tax exempt thing. Without going all conservative on everyone, the IRS targeted Tea Party groups filling for tax exempt status (or didn&#039;t, depending on what you believe!) yet here sits this  &quot;church&quot; that doesn&#039;t even come close to meeting the actual rules with full exemption status. Even as a conservative Mormon I&#039;m iffy on ANY church having it, really. I wonder what can be done, if anything?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/11/18/lisa-mcphersons-last-opportunity-for-standard-care-ended-20-years-ago-today/comment-page-2/#comment-1222196">OOkpik</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you! It&#8217;s keeping my nosy a** focused! I&#8217;d  like to figure out a way to deal with this tax exempt thing. Without going all conservative on everyone, the IRS targeted Tea Party groups filling for tax exempt status (or didn&#8217;t, depending on what you believe!) yet here sits this  &#8220;church&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t even come close to meeting the actual rules with full exemption status. Even as a conservative Mormon I&#8217;m iffy on ANY church having it, really. I wonder what can be done, if anything?</p>
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