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		By: paul_houle		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1159691&quot;&gt;Juicer77&lt;/a&gt;.

The &quot;bank&quot; is scientology speak for the &quot;reactive mind&quot; which is the root of all misbehavior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1159691">Juicer77</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8220;bank&#8221; is scientology speak for the &#8220;reactive mind&#8221; which is the root of all misbehavior.</p>
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		By: Edward Clarke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 21:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1163678&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

RJR - my post was about this film winning (or not) based on outside issues which isn&#039;t fair. It should be voted on as a doc, pure and simple, against its peers.

I&#039;m not interested in hearing about your film, or how because of this you are viewing Going Clear against some imaginary scenes in your head, and not against the other candidates.

Nor do I want to hear you tell us you are an Oscar voter, but somehow don&#039;t know the rules for voting. I get the email bombardments too. 

Nor do I really want to hear you inform us you have serious sexual issues, making unsolicited comments on a civil documentary discussion first about genitalia, then your child rape fantasy, and then, after my desperate attempt to haul it back to a talk on documentaries only, you start talking about &#039;crawling up assholes&#039;. Really?

I&#039;m guessing you&#039;re foreign as your English ain&#039;t great. And that you&#039;re obviously a serious pervert who doesn&#039;t ever get asked to babysit. Surely if I was OSA I&#039;d be working on your child rape fantasy by now, so there&#039;s your answer. I&#039;d edit that post real soon by the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1163678">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>RJR &#8211; my post was about this film winning (or not) based on outside issues which isn&#8217;t fair. It should be voted on as a doc, pure and simple, against its peers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in hearing about your film, or how because of this you are viewing Going Clear against some imaginary scenes in your head, and not against the other candidates.</p>
<p>Nor do I want to hear you tell us you are an Oscar voter, but somehow don&#8217;t know the rules for voting. I get the email bombardments too. </p>
<p>Nor do I really want to hear you inform us you have serious sexual issues, making unsolicited comments on a civil documentary discussion first about genitalia, then your child rape fantasy, and then, after my desperate attempt to haul it back to a talk on documentaries only, you start talking about &#8216;crawling up assholes&#8217;. Really?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing you&#8217;re foreign as your English ain&#8217;t great. And that you&#8217;re obviously a serious pervert who doesn&#8217;t ever get asked to babysit. Surely if I was OSA I&#8217;d be working on your child rape fantasy by now, so there&#8217;s your answer. I&#8217;d edit that post real soon by the way.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162439&quot;&gt;Edward Clarke&lt;/a&gt;.

This is different from what I said in what way exactly? and I am an Oscar voter BTW and have been for 25 years.

I said, that compared to my (still only proposed, sadly) film,the fact that his was simpler and restrained itself from flashiness and the truly socking extremes made it more effective, not less.``Then I pointed out how the Oscars work, which you rephrased as if it were a lesson to me.

You seem to me like an attitude in search of an argument.

I suspect you are OSA (in which case, pretty good try) but you may just be an asshole, in which case, why not crawl up yourself and disappear?

(Still know you have my nomination for &#039;Best&#039;, which is such a clear term for you. &quot;Rarely adhered to&quot;? How about sometimes, if ever and only by accident. Everyone over the age of 10 knows this.

So please understand that you are the very very &#039;Best&#039;. I am sure you&#039;ll understand why.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162439">Edward Clarke</a>.</p>
<p>This is different from what I said in what way exactly? and I am an Oscar voter BTW and have been for 25 years.</p>
<p>I said, that compared to my (still only proposed, sadly) film,the fact that his was simpler and restrained itself from flashiness and the truly socking extremes made it more effective, not less.&#8220;Then I pointed out how the Oscars work, which you rephrased as if it were a lesson to me.</p>
<p>You seem to me like an attitude in search of an argument.</p>
<p>I suspect you are OSA (in which case, pretty good try) but you may just be an asshole, in which case, why not crawl up yourself and disappear?</p>
<p>(Still know you have my nomination for &#8216;Best&#8217;, which is such a clear term for you. &#8220;Rarely adhered to&#8221;? How about sometimes, if ever and only by accident. Everyone over the age of 10 knows this.</p>
<p>So please understand that you are the very very &#8216;Best&#8217;. I am sure you&#8217;ll understand why.)</p>
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		By: QbirdSP		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[QbirdSP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162769&quot;&gt;Lady Squash&lt;/a&gt;.

oh likewise friend Lady - thank you for talking to me.  That is what I really like about the bunker --- listening to people talk to each other, talking to you &#038; the others, figuring things out --- makes me think deeply about many, many things.  I&#039;ll be seeing you around ~ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/70f475ba57b6d8c85a652ddd2b36d28b2cf4a074b384c962447b99c1ffaee768.jpg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162769">Lady Squash</a>.</p>
<p>oh likewise friend Lady &#8211; thank you for talking to me.  That is what I really like about the bunker &#8212; listening to people talk to each other, talking to you &amp; the others, figuring things out &#8212; makes me think deeply about many, many things.  I&#8217;ll be seeing you around ~ <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/70f475ba57b6d8c85a652ddd2b36d28b2cf4a074b384c962447b99c1ffaee768.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/70f475ba57b6d8c85a652ddd2b36d28b2cf4a074b384c962447b99c1ffaee768.jpg</a></p>
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		By: Amanda Weigel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 09:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[here is mark burton&#039;s facebook page. he is friends with jenny burpee, tiber mcCormick, and megan murray - and a fan of the films of kojii helwein. https://www.facebook.com/mark.bu]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is mark burton&#8217;s facebook page. he is friends with jenny burpee, tiber mcCormick, and megan murray &#8211; and a fan of the films of kojii helwein. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/mark.bu" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/mark.bu</a></p>
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		By: Lady Squash		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162254&quot;&gt;QbirdSP&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Qbird.  I did see something amazing in Laura.  Vitality, a strong spirit and positiveness.  I admired and respected her greatly.  I wish we had been closer but in SCN I was never truly close to anyone and I didn&#039;t even realize it.   So much of everything was pretense.  We were all pretending to be happy and we were all busy convincing ourselves that we were &quot;winning&quot;.  
Laura&#039;s death momentarily pierced that veil and I feel now that the superficiality of the service was designed to prevent us from thinking too deeply about what had happened. 
It&#039;s more that I ached for a closeness that could have been but under the circumstances impossible.     
You are a very kind and empathetic person.  And I appreciate you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162254">QbirdSP</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Qbird.  I did see something amazing in Laura.  Vitality, a strong spirit and positiveness.  I admired and respected her greatly.  I wish we had been closer but in SCN I was never truly close to anyone and I didn&#8217;t even realize it.   So much of everything was pretense.  We were all pretending to be happy and we were all busy convincing ourselves that we were &#8220;winning&#8221;.<br />
Laura&#8217;s death momentarily pierced that veil and I feel now that the superficiality of the service was designed to prevent us from thinking too deeply about what had happened.<br />
It&#8217;s more that I ached for a closeness that could have been but under the circumstances impossible.<br />
You are a very kind and empathetic person.  And I appreciate you.</p>
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		By: Edward Clarke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162348&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, the Oscars declare what they are about in plain English. &#039;Best.&#039; This is rarely adhered to. And of all the pro-Oscar posts prior to mine (that I saw anyway), none nor Tony&#039;s interview comments were expecting or hoping for the win due to it being Best (or most courageous, etc). It was purely their dog in a fight. This is the system not working if it translates to actual voters. Which Tony speculates it might. 

Only the nominations are as a the result of Documentarians voting. When it&#039;s whittled down its a free for all. Although the attempt to get everyone to see the films begins around now with a barrage of emails offering free showings in LA and NYC.

I&#039;m only guessing, but I think Scientology might struggle to find a clear horse to back. Bias for and against GC aside, it looks like anyone&#039;s game. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162348">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, the Oscars declare what they are about in plain English. &#8216;Best.&#8217; This is rarely adhered to. And of all the pro-Oscar posts prior to mine (that I saw anyway), none nor Tony&#8217;s interview comments were expecting or hoping for the win due to it being Best (or most courageous, etc). It was purely their dog in a fight. This is the system not working if it translates to actual voters. Which Tony speculates it might. </p>
<p>Only the nominations are as a the result of Documentarians voting. When it&#8217;s whittled down its a free for all. Although the attempt to get everyone to see the films begins around now with a barrage of emails offering free showings in LA and NYC.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only guessing, but I think Scientology might struggle to find a clear horse to back. Bias for and against GC aside, it looks like anyone&#8217;s game. </p>
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		By: Edward Clarke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Clarke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162124&quot;&gt;Andrea &#039;i-Betty&#039; Garner&lt;/a&gt;.

I was lying Betty.

I&#039;m a lying Scientologist. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1162124">Andrea &#8216;i-Betty&#8217; Garner</a>.</p>
<p>I was lying Betty.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a lying Scientologist. </p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1160338&quot;&gt;Edward Clarke&lt;/a&gt;.

Speaking as a film maker who was preparing (I had actually been shooting for quite awhile) a documentary on Scientology that lost its funding when Gibney made his announcement just before Sundance, I have to say that it is precisely the lack of lurid details (no matter how true, and there is certainly no shortage of them) and the solid, simple presentation that mends GIbney&#039;s film its power.

I would have gone much further, and counter-intuitively it would have weakened my film&#039;s impact, not made it better.

Also, you seem to think the Oscars are about amazing film making other than perceived courage, timing,etc... It should also be noted that only Documentary film makers will be voting for the category,and I think they&#039;ve been pretty clear about what they think of Gibney as a film maker.

They also clearly want to make a statement to the world that the Scilons do NOT control Hollywood, and that they are tired of their sneaky, sleazy ways...

The number one problem working against Gibney Oscar-wise is that he has won so many and it is getting bit redundant.

(Look for a lot of Scilon tax-free money going to publicize a certain charming and amazing Palestinian girl&#039;s story and winning appearances.
OF course, they may think twice about using true heroism, pain and purity to achieve their twisted ends, because--- BWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHAAAA!!!! Sorry, I couldn&#039;t quite get it out...)

(DM would rape that poor girl for the rest of her life if his manhood wasn&#039;t toy-sized and it would deprive Gibney of that Oscar.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-2/#comment-1160338">Edward Clarke</a>.</p>
<p>Speaking as a film maker who was preparing (I had actually been shooting for quite awhile) a documentary on Scientology that lost its funding when Gibney made his announcement just before Sundance, I have to say that it is precisely the lack of lurid details (no matter how true, and there is certainly no shortage of them) and the solid, simple presentation that mends GIbney&#8217;s film its power.</p>
<p>I would have gone much further, and counter-intuitively it would have weakened my film&#8217;s impact, not made it better.</p>
<p>Also, you seem to think the Oscars are about amazing film making other than perceived courage, timing,etc&#8230; It should also be noted that only Documentary film makers will be voting for the category,and I think they&#8217;ve been pretty clear about what they think of Gibney as a film maker.</p>
<p>They also clearly want to make a statement to the world that the Scilons do NOT control Hollywood, and that they are tired of their sneaky, sleazy ways&#8230;</p>
<p>The number one problem working against Gibney Oscar-wise is that he has won so many and it is getting bit redundant.</p>
<p>(Look for a lot of Scilon tax-free money going to publicize a certain charming and amazing Palestinian girl&#8217;s story and winning appearances.<br />
OF course, they may think twice about using true heroism, pain and purity to achieve their twisted ends, because&#8212; BWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAHHHHAAAA!!!! Sorry, I couldn&#8217;t quite get it out&#8230;)</p>
<p>(DM would rape that poor girl for the rest of her life if his manhood wasn&#8217;t toy-sized and it would deprive Gibney of that Oscar.)</p>
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		By: Gene Trujillo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene Trujillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/10/07/a-secret-scientology-wake-a-snow-white-link-and-more-odd-twists-emerge-in-the-cat-white-story/comment-page-1/#comment-1160337&quot;&gt;Nora Crest&lt;/a&gt;.

It was thugs like Petit who made CofS the nightmare that it is. The seeds were sown when Hubbard decided to be soft on abuse but the seeds would not have grown without people like Petit around to coerce and abuse.]]></description>
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<p>It was thugs like Petit who made CofS the nightmare that it is. The seeds were sown when Hubbard decided to be soft on abuse but the seeds would not have grown without people like Petit around to coerce and abuse.</p>
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