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THE GETTING CLEAR CONFERENCE: How to see the videos that lay Scientology bare

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Historian Jon Atack (right) and religion professor James Beverley put together a remarkable gathering of people in Toronto in June. We were fortunate to see people like Paulette Cooper and Nancy Many and Jonny Jacobsen and Nora Crest and Nan McLean and so many others all get together for the first time.

Beverley and Atack made sure the event would be recorded at a high level of quality for the ages, which cost them a pretty penny. Now, they want you to see those videos, and they’re making their announcement about how to see them here at the Underground Bunker. We’ll let them fill you in on the details, but first, here’s a sneak peek at what is on offer…

 

 
And now here’s Jon and Jim…

IF YOU HAVE BEEN BURNED BY A CULT OR PSEUDO-RELIGION; IF YOU ARE MORE THAN CURIOUS ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HEALTHY THINKING AND PSEUDO RELIGIONS; AND ESPECIALLY IF YOUR LIFE HAS BEEN HARMED BY THE EXPLOITS OF SCIENTOLOGY, THEN…. THE LONG AWAITED DAY HAS COME.

As many of you know, we hosted the Getting Clear conference in Toronto, Canada June 22-26. The goal of this event was to present accurate information about Scientology, and to provide a forum for learning, listening and healing. Even in our wildest dreams, we did not foresee how successful the conference would be in terms of information and impact. Nora Crest, raised in Scientology and some years out, said that the five day conference was worth five years of therapy.

From the start, we determined to film the sessions for posterity, and now the videos of all 28 sessions are available in High Definition, providing the most thorough visual education and deconstruction of Scientology – or indeed any cult group – ever attempted.

Other conference participants share our enthusiasm:

— Celebrated author and activist, Paulette Cooper, says that Getting Clear is “the most important record of scientology abuses and activities both past and present.”

— Ron Hubbard’s great-grandson, Jamie DeWolf seconds this: “The Getting Clear Toronto Conference will be looked back as the historical D-day in the fight against the criminal cult of Scientology.”

— Eastern Europe’s leading cult expert, Professor Alexander Dvorkin told us: “I can hardly remember anything so magnificent, so massive, and so loaded with information, meaning, and research.”

The conference sessions total almost 27 hours of filming—and the topics (taught by experts, academics and former Scientologists, including high-ranking Sea Org members and senior Hubbard aides) include:

— the true history of L. Ron Hubbard

— the origin and development of Dianetics and Scientology

— the Sea Org, with aides who worked with Hubbard from its creation to his death,

–Scientology’s harassment agency and the infiltration of government agencies

— the Paulette Cooper story and Tony Ortega’s remarkable new book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely

— the role of celebrities in Scientology

— Hubbard’s ‘religion angle’

— the Operating Thetan levels, where Jesse Prince – former Tech supremo – reveals the truth about OT VIII

— a deconstruction of auditing and training routines, revealing their true intent

— problems faced by second generation Scientologists

— Scientology and health issues – including the prohibition of vital medicines

— the international Scientology scene: reports from France, Italy, Russia and Australia

— Narconon and other front groups

— violence at the top of Scientology

— hard-sell in Scientology

— recovery from Scientology

Christian Szurko, one of England’s leading cult watchers, with almost 40 years’ experience, said “Getting Clear was a milestone in the work to end Scientology’s abusive activities. This video set will be a significant tool for educating people about the reality of Scientology for years to come.”

The sessions are available at Vimeo Pro for either individual or complete set rental for six months.

Sessions range in price from $4 to $10 depending on length and topic. If bought separately the 28 episodes add up to more than $150, but the regular price for the whole set is $120.

However, we want you to join us in celebrating the release of the Getting Clear films, so we are offering an initial sale price of $90 for the whole set. This discount price lasts for one week, until September 26.

The initial sale price is for the whole set only. However, session 1 can be purchased separately at the regular price by going to this designated link on Vimeo Pro.

Individual sessions 2-28 will be released for rental over a four week period beginning on September 21.

We hope to offer a Blu-ray video, in the not too distant future, with a discount for anyone who has rented the online videos.

To take advantage of this time-limited offer to rent the whole set, use the promotion code GC90 at the Vimeo Pro site.

Paul Standring, a former business executive, had this to say about the conference: “The five days at Getting Clear provided the most enriching learning experience of my life. I paid $1200 to my university to take the conference as part of my graduate studies. It was worth every penny. Now I am delighted that people all over the world get to the watch the same amazing sessions I did, and for a whole lot less.”

Scientology has led to pain, confusion, guilt and fear for tens of thousands. It has ruined many people’s lives, destroying families and bankrupting adherents. Getting Clear exposes Ron Hubbard as a scheming fabulist, a multiple drug abuser who convinced his followers to worship him and claimed to be Lucifer and the Antichrist. It clarifies the true, documented history of Scientology and deconstructs the manipulative techniques deliberately used by Hubbard to enthral and entrap believers.

These videos will help anyone who is involved in a totalist cult to reconsider their involvement. The sessions will also help anyone to understand the dynamics of the cultic world.

Click this link to head to Vimeo Pro to access clear, accurate and compassionate teaching that will relieve the suffering caused by cult membership and provide vital information on the world of Scientology.

Remember: the discount set price of $90 (28 sessions, almost 27 hours of video) will only last until September 26.

For the whole set: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/gettingclear
For session 1: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/gettingclear1

Over the summer we watched the entire conference on film and we are amazed and thrilled at the contents and presenters. We are so excited that the films are now released to the world. Enjoy!

— Jon Atack

— Jim Beverley

 
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Mike Rinder explodes L. Ron Hubbard’s niacin myths

Please do not miss Mike Rinder’s blog today. The former Scientology spokesman does the best job we’ve ever seen explaining why one of the central components of Scientology’s “detox” quackery — the massive intake of niacin — is not only unscientific, but downright dangerous.

This is one of the best things we’ve seen on Mike’s blog — and that’s saying something.

 
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Harlem isn’t ready

Thanks to reader Beth who went by today and confirmed that there’s no big ribbon on the upcoming Harlem Ideal Org…

 
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Despite the frenzied activity we’ve seen of furniture being moved in, and the presence of LA staffers in Harlem this week, Scientology is apparently not rushing in a stealth opening like they did in Ojai recently for the new Narconon facility there.

We’ll just have to wait even longer for the big Harlem block party.

 
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BOOK NOTES
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis, Grumpy’s Bar & Grill, 2801 Snelling Ave, Roseville, 7 pm, sponsored by Minnesota Atheists

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 25: Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)

Oct 28: Adelaide (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 19, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X
    Slow lazy Saturday morning here.
    There’s a few hundred $cientology ads on CL that make
    Baron von Munchausen look honest.
    We take bait and switch fraudulent ads down. Join us.

    Two ways – Flag them (Red-X) and via a complaint to CL
    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Tick Tock, Dave
    One minute you are swimming along, running your scam
    Then, outta nowhere, some cat decides to let some sunlight shine on you:.

  • salin

    The live blogging from this conference, pulled me out lurking and into the Bunker Community. I can not wait to experience viewing/listening to all of these sessions. Much gratitude to Dr. Beverly and Mr. Atack for pulling together and pulling off this conference, and thanks to all who presented and participating (and to those who live blogged and gave updates here at the Bunker.)

    And a crazy event in Harlem later today… what a day!

  • Peter

    Off topic. This is the opening of a newspaper article (Hollywood Reporter?) posted by Mike Rinder yesterday and I was suprised it was not picked up in the Bunker:

    by Pamela McClintock

    9/18/2015 1:13pm PDT

    A movie theater in Clearwater, Florida — home of the world spiritual headquarters of the Church of Scientology — has dropped plans to play AlexGibney‘s documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief after being pressured by the church, sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

    However, residents of Clearwater, including former members of the church, still will be able to see Gibney’s Scientology movie when HBO Documentary Films re-releases it in theaters. The AMC Woodlands Square
    20 in the neighboring town of Olsdmar, some 12 miles from Clearwater, has agreed to pick up the documentary and play it on behalf of HBO Films.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thanks, Peter. I did see it linked to in the comments yesterday. Let’s hope the theatre in Olsdmar manage to hang on to their principals!

    • Peter
    • Miss Tia
      • joan nieman

        Perfect and truthful all done in Haiku.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i’m perplexed? since when can ANYONE, ANY organization, including a religion, stop a film being shown in a movie theater?

      • Peter

        Tracy, for the arrogant and irrational Midget, all it takes is the threat of a huge lawsuit and/or raucus street gathering every day of the film’s run to give a small theatre the heeby jeebies. Even a lawsuit guaranteed to be thrown out can be enormously expensive to defend. (scio counts on that as they’ve got billions to toss at “the enemy”. However, should HBO decide to take it on and pay the freight for it, it could bring in a LOT of customers. For sure, the Tampa papers would delight in it. It will be interesting to see how HBO responds…and Hollywood, as well. It could well be a big enough story for the major papers to pick up. I’m sure it won’t play well for the czerch on the internet!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    That is seriously great quality. As a teaching tool for present and future generations this is going to be an invaluable series. I hope the event organisers are able to make back some of the tens of thousands of dollars they are out of pocket by.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Top of my list to view is the video of Nora Beth Crest who blew people away at the time by all accounts. It hurt my heart a little bit to see her break down in the trailer.

    • whoever

      Yes, looking forward to seeing her, based on this and also her own videos.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    I realized late last night that the Harlem event deserved a little story.
    With apologies to Damon Runyon and all my English friends,
    a nod to Chandler and no little vitriol:

    The Opening of The Harlem Ideal Supper Club

    So I’m siitting in the Tick Tock Diner down near Penn Station,
    putting some gravity to work on some of their pastrami on rye
    which is a dish I am very fond of –
    the Tick Tock Diner being
    a place I am often to be seen to frequent,
    particularly for the pastrami on rye,
    and whatever you can say about the English –
    and believe me, once I hear this Irish guy,
    he is a shamus over in Brooklyn, –
    he has plenty to say on the subject, none of it good –
    gravity is a wonderful invention,
    especially when it comes to the question of pastrami on rye.
    This Newton guy, it’s a good thing he ain’t sitting under a coconut
    tree or maybe a certain party by the name of Einstein is outta business.

    Who do I see walk in the door but a certain party by the name of
    Tony the Scoop of this parish and parts west, very dapper and insouciant
    and a fine connoisseur in matters of the Tick Tock Diner.
    Now this is a party who is very very well informed about this and that and
    so on and so forth.

    So I wish to hear his thoughts and I invite hime and the very lovely Miss Lovely
    who is with him to join me.
    This Miss Lovely, she has a smile like i don’t know what and I wish to state that
    in matters of dolls’ smiles, this smile has ’em all beat by 2 1/2 lengths going away
    in the home stretch in the 3:30 at Meadowlands.

    Now, to make a long story short and a short story merry, Tony the Scoop tells me
    that the “Harlem Ideal Supper Club” is opening this very day,
    near 2nd Ave., up on the East Side, in East Harlem
    And my favourite calypso singer, the Very Reverend Louis Eugene Wolcott,
    under his stage name, “The Charmer,”[footnote 1] is performing together
    with Toothy Tom and the Closet Clams, featuring Jorm Revolva who
    blows a mean horn.
    But he also informs me that the proprietor of this new club is none
    other than Dismal Dave who is really a most inferior character,
    who is called Dismal Dave because nobody can ever think of his
    last name, which is something like Miscreant or Miscellaneous
    or Misconception or Misplaced-the-Remote-Control and the name
    is a great deal longer and more complex than the gentleman in question.

    Dismal Dave in Harlem is as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a
    slice of angel-food cake, due to his perpetual leer and the thrust
    given to his diminutiveness by his shoe lifts which makes him
    look like he is about to propel himself out of his Lobbs and into
    a terminal bout of slappiness.
    I speak of this matter only to show you that he is a very quaint character
    indeed, and full of zest, possibly grapefruit or sour lemon.

    So I thanks Tony the Scoop for the tip and makes my way to East Harlem
    for the Ideal occasion.

    Who do I see but Tin-Can Alley, a was-been actress now famous for her
    lemur collection. Well, besides bleached blonde hair and a resemblance
    to a bleached whale though not a sperm whale, this doll has a complexion
    like I do not know what, perhaps a pizza all-dressed with double pepperoni,
    hold the anchovies, and very very generous feet and ankles, and a way of
    walking and talking that is very unpleasant to behold and behear. Personally,
    I always take a gander at a doll’s feet and ankles and listen to her vocals
    before I start handicapping her, because the way I look at it, the feet and
    ankles and the voice are the big tell in the matter of class, although I wish
    to state that I see some dolls in my time who have large feet and big ankles
    and sound like the mating call of the New Jersey dwarf-cockatiel, but who
    are by no means bad. This doll is 100 to 1 against in the question of class
    and 40 to 1 against to place. The voice resembles borscht in a bad broken
    blender with added nasal whine. The look curdles sour yak milk at a hundred
    yards and it’s not some special powers or any oiliness-table that is involved,
    just the general miasma of arrogance and hostility that emanates from her
    like pea-soup or oatiness.
    Her personality is designed and hand-painted by Ted Stourton and needs
    more plastic butterflies and perhaps some sowbell too.

    I decide that I have other matters to attend to and await anxiously reports
    from others braver than I.

    Meanwhile, back at the Tick Tock Diner, …

    Footnote 1: Elijah Mohammed of the NOI was born Louis Eugene Wolcott
    and was a calypso singer under his stage name, “The Charmer.”

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Amazing! *applause*

    • Mark Foster

      Pan, you have an amazing gift. Always uplifted and inspired by it. Thank you-and carry on!

      • joan nieman

        Great entertainment Pan.

    • chukicita

      “Dismal Dave in Harlem is as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a
      slice of angel-food cake”

      I laughed out loud and woke up the dogs!

    • Sid

      Brilliant!

      “Jorm Revolva who blows a mean horn.”
      Okay, I bust out laughing on that one.

    • Robert Eckert

      “the name is a great deal longer and more complex than the gentleman in question” got to me.

    • JaxNGold

      “…this doll has a complexion like I do not know what, perhaps a pizza all-dressed with double pepperoni, hold the anchovies…”

      I almost died. Hilarious!

  • pixie dust

    As someone who was unable to attend the conference, I want to thank everyone involved in making this available on video. I’m so tempted to call in sick today!

  • AnonymousSP

    The video is out and the contents are full of win. Remember back in May and June when Ronbots flooded ESMB and WWP with doubts? When OSA Canada tried to bully Dr Beverley into not going ahead? Hahaha. A big thank you to all involved.

  • EmmaDaoust

    Wonderful news, the film of the Going Clear conference is available. I’m remembering with great appreciation the behind-the-scenes film crew who worked long hours filming just about the most intensive, emotional, brilliant week I’ve experienced, and I’m remembering with awe and affection, every one of you survivors who brought to life the reality and the complexity that is the world of the cult of $cientology, and the journalists and never-ins who support you. Thank you to Jim Beverley and Jon Atack for bringing this together, and for your compassion and sensitivity.

    • Susan black

      Good morning, Emma. The name of the conference is “getting clear”. Name of doc and book is “going clear”. Yeah, easy to confuse.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Thanks – blame it on 2 hours sleep! I’m editing it now!

  • Narapoid

    Whole chunks of truth and secrets laid out on a buffet table and told by many terrific voices from different sides. The fact that this conference even exists proves how weak and out-of-influence OSA and Captain Miscavige are.

    Hats off to those who have worked so hard to make the conference happen.

  • Frodis73

    Just an FYI, the link to watch the first session doesn’t work.

  • Libertylover

    Anyone any idea what time Harlem is opening. I don’t think anyone found out yesterday.
    I wouldn’t put it past them to do it at 9 am and quickly before anyone realizes.
    Seriously does anyone know the time it’s scheduled?

    • Baby

      I have been all over the Internet..Including Scientology Web sites..( ugh) and absolutely nothing..

      There is the board voting about shutting down the street type thing.. but I can’t find a thing.. A date for when they requested the closing .. ( of course today as Tony said)

      but No time.. No affirmative.. ( that I can find Liberty) Haven’t checked Rinder’s today though..

      I could call Harlem Org, but Meh I don’t want them to have my number on the caller ID..

      • chukicita

        LOL! We were both looking at the same time… great minds and all that!

        • Baby

          Hahah.. That’s funny chuk.. They are so damn sneaky.. God only knows.. They are expecting thousands? bawwwwwwhahahhahaha..

          I might call NOI to see if they know.

          • MrsLurksALot

            Dial *81 before you dial the phone number and your caller ID will be blocked.

            • Baby

              I have never heard that before.. thanks Holly..

            • MrsLurksALot

              Not all of these may apply to you, but some quick tips you may find helpful. F5 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/203b14b23d62570181a7ac7b9ef074a61fdf597898fee4cd0131de6e03df63b4.jpg

            • Sherbet

              Awesome! Thanks, Mrs.

            • MrsLurksALot

              You’re welcome!

            • Baby

              This will come in handy darlin..thank you!

            • MrsLurksALot

              You are very welcome, glad to share.

            • Keeping Scientology Waning

              Thanks for sharin….can’t wait to try *96.

            • MrsLurksALot

              Right? Some of these I’ve never tried….let me know, LOL.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Unless you are calling a toll free number. They can still see that.

            • MrsLurksALot

              True, dat.

      • Prim

        Caller IDs? Google Voice is your friend.

        • Baby

          You guys are way too sophisticated for this old lady

      • skiesareblue

        You’re pretty famous now (Clearwater book signing) so stay safe, Baby!

        • Baby

          Oh skies.. I ain’t nuthin to them.. They want the big fish..ha

          • skiesareblue

            Well Baby, you are really SOMETHIN’ to us!

            • Baby

              Oh how sweet of you skies.. I needed that!

      • daisy

        Thank you for doing that.

    • chukicita

      Another “grand opening” cloaked in stealth. I even looked on the Harlem org website and found nothing – nor on their Facebook page. I even tried to look at the Harlem org website on the Wayback Machine, to see if it *ever* mentioned this event, and it told me the presence of robots.txt would not allow its display.

    • chukicita

      Since they forgot to tell the wogs, if I were you and you’re planning to go, I’d head over now and prepare to make a day of it.

      • MaxSpaceman

        That’s nearly impossible for anyone to do

        • chukicita

          ??

          • MaxSpaceman

            All day ? That’s not doable for nearly anyone.

            • chukicita

              I’ve done it in CW. The laundry wasn’t happy about being de-prioritized.

      • Beth

        ETA 15 minutes 🙂

        • chukicita

          Oooo! Time to make popcorn.

        • Supper Powers

          Will you please consider using Periscope to share your time with us? Have fun, be careful.

        • Supper Powers

          Will you consider going on Periscope to share with us? Have fun, be safe.

  • 0tessa

    Question: are the session video’s subtitled? This could be very important for non-native speakers (like myself).

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Some of you know that I make some of my money as a substitute teacher for visual art. To attend the Getting Clear Conference I applied for professional development funds. In exchange I had to make up a statement to be posted about what I had learned. You might say what I learned was off gradient to teachers who have been known to confuse Scientology with Christian Science but here is a statement that even the most unknowing should understand:

    “Getting Clear Conference

    It is always awkward when a religion is being criticized. Mankind’s history is rife with senseless persecution of religious groups. When there is the slightest chance that the tragic mistake may be made again most want to nip it in the bud.

    But history is also rife with senseless persecution by religious groups. In recent years we have seen deadly acts by the Taliban. Now we see a similar scenario playing out on an even larger scale with ISIS. People’s Temple, Branch Davidians and Heaven’s Gate are far smaller, homegrown examples. And then there is the Church of Scientology.

    Scientology was incorporated as a religious organization in 1953 having grown out of a pseudo-scientific therapy called, “Dianetics”. L.Ron Hubbard, formerly a science fiction writer, rebranded Dianetics with, what he called, “the religion angle”. He understood that a religious appearance would protect him from criticism and, if he played his cards right, also from taxation. Scientology has been able to hide behind its religiosity, celebrity members, and teams of lawyers who are known to launch lawsuits not necessarily to win but to intimidate. This has been the situation until very recently.

    This situation has changed so much, that this past year while substitute teaching in an art room, I noticed that a sociology class visible through a window was showing Tom Cruise’s bizarre and laughable statement about the importance of Scientology. You can watch it here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0, just as more than 10,000,000 other people have. This video was presented as part of a unit on cults. I hoped that none of Canada’s reported 1525 Scientologists were students in that classroom. One day a Family Studies teacher will have to deal with that situation. I hope they are prepared.

    Scientology is not a religion in Canada. It is considered a para-religion. I must also add that it is the only criminally convicted religious organization in the history of the nation.

    In June 2015, Dr. James Beverley, a professor at Tyndale College in Toronto, held a five day conference called, “Getting Clear”. The words seem to be a inspired by the most popular documentary HBO has shown since 2008, “Going Clear,” which is a study of Scientology by Academy Award winning director, Alex Gibney. Today, as I write this, it is up for a seven Emmy Awards. And as I review this it won three or them including Best Documentary.

    James Beverley and Jon Atack, a prominent critic, hosted experts from Russia, Norway, USA, Toronto, Los Angeles, Florida, Germany, Australia, France and Scotland. They included Hubbard’s grandson and greatgrandson.

    So, what did I get out of it? I came to understand that the word “cult’ has a broad definition in some circles. To clarify this the presenters usually preceded the “C” word with “destructive”. All organizations have some cultish aspects, even the XXXXXXX Board of Education and the XXXXXXX Teachers Federation. But when an organization has a high number of these characteristics and has them to a high degree, we can then call it a cult. There is wide discrepancy, though, on just what those characteristics are. Lists of the characteristics can be found on the internet that number from only one characteristic (an organization that wants to take over your life) to one hundred of them (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html).

    Here is a short list that I like.

    A single, living, infallible leader
    Money centred
    Strict adherence
    Bait and switch in conversion
    Us verses society attitude

    I found out that deprogramming was brought into the public consciousness as being a kidnapping scheme. This is how it was practiced by a fellow named Ted Patrick also known in his day as Black Lightning. Several deprogrammers spoke. They explained that normally deprogramming is performed strictly with the permission of the cult member. A deprogramming attempt ends when the cult member wants to end it.

    Many people involved in cults are very bright. They are brought in through “emotional coercion”, not intellectual argument. Another way of putting it would be, “they are brainwashed,” which is accurate but the phrase leads to needless arguments.

    Very recently, Kirstie Alley claimed publicly that there are tens of millions of Scientologists. There are more likely about 25,000 world wide with the number falling rapidly. Conversely, the organization is getting even more wealthy with its worth estimated at being between 2 billion and 10 billion American dollars. They have done this by recruiting well-to-do members and pressuring them for donations. Young people, like our students, are less likely to join than ever before because they check things out on the internet. The internet has been called, “Scientology’s Viet Nam”.

    The Scientologists really do break up families, put people on useless therapies when proven treatments are available, take away all the money a person has and can ever acquire, then put the person to work for over a hundred hours per week at much less than a dollar per hour, all the while giving them dreams of omnipotence. Many Scientologists are very charming. Many of them lie a lot. I have yet to meet one that does not lie by intended omission. I have met many.

    Scientology wastes lives.

    So what could I pass on to my students?

    Well, there are some people out there who will take you for everything you have. Some of them are as sweet as cream. Some of them are sincere. The power of cognitive dissonance has allowed many of them to rationalize anything, no matter how foolish it may seem to an on-looker. People can be coerced emotionally as well as logically, and the person being coerced often can’t tell the difference. Emotional coercion often doesn’t work which is why most people aren’t in cults. But it often does work which is why so many people buy things they don’t need and vote for political parties that don’t best represent their views. Cults are successful with emotional coercion not only with people going through major life transitions but for others who have experienced the disappointments most everyone does in a lifetime. If at one time you didn’t get along with your spouse, your mother, your boss, missed promotions at work, did not fulfilled your educational goals, or was rejected by that really cute girl or guy, Scientology will attempt to dredge up this background sadness and turn it into an active psychosis, presenting themselves as the only solution for change. They call this, “finding your ruin”.

    Scientology’s main method of recruiting is “the personality test” which is useless except to make a person feel bad about themselves and soften them up for their self-help sales pitch. And while Scientology has become a punch line on late night television, there are others who will do the same things Scientology does to you but under another name. In fact, many of the attendees were from other cults. A presenter who had been a member of the Unification Church (The Moonies) said there can be cults of one. At the break, a woman from Montreal told me that she was in a cult of one; her mother was the cult leader, she the one member.

    When will I teach this, I, a humble substitute teacher? Probably never, at least in the classroom setting. But I can teach students to use logic. Expect proofs. Avoid becoming part of an emotionally charged group on any issue greater than a hockey game. (In fact, even be careful around hockey games. The XXXXXX Hockey Team is really no more noble, virtuous or intelligent than the students of the YYYYYY Team. The XX team should be cheered by XX students because the players are friends, but the YY Teams is certainly filled with decent people, too). Be wary of politicians, product salespeople, palm readers and crystal ball gazers, mystics of all sorts, quack therapists, and charming people who ask you to sign suspicious contracts. Be wary of teachers who needlessly flatter. Be suspicious of administrators who tell you that your school is the best one in the whole county.

    And should you meet someone in a destructive cult, though communication with them can be infuriating, the goal is to get them out. Sometimes a comment from someone who cares stays with the cult member. Months later the spark may ignite. One way or another, most everyone eventually leaves Scientology.

    Should a conference like this come up again, I do recommend it for Family Studies teachers, Religious studies teachers and those among us who want to know a bit more about how people think.

    If you want to know more contact me through the board emails.”

    • EmmaDaoust

      Thanks for this, MKofT. Wish we could have talked more at the conference. Best to your family.

    • Andrew Robertson

      What an excellent analysis and succinct summary of why the ‘Getting Clear’ Conference was such an important and landmark event.

      Jon Atack and James Beverley deserve much credit for staging it and attracting such informed and knowledgeable speakers.

      Andrew

      • Jon Atack

        Thank-you!

    • StudentOfLife

      This letter you wrote, Mighty Korgo, might be the best definitive one page summary of Scientology from A to Z capturing the essence of what Scientology is today (as well as cults) for those “never ins” like myself.. When Tony Ortega wins the Pulitzer Prize or a prominent investigative journalism award is named after him to inspire future reporters, your words should never be far behind as the synthesis of what Scientology really is and how the crusade to expose it’s abuses culminated in revocation of it’s tax exempt status. I believe Miscavige rolled the dice hiding behind Nation of Islam thinking that will bring him a badly needed blanket of protection to insulate himself from government persecution as well as mine potential new revenue streams. Your letter is worth sending as a mass email around the internet. Tick Tock, Dave Miscavige. Your name will stand in history as one of the most evil con men in history alongside Hubbard.

      • skiesareblue

        Tony Ortega. Pulitzer Prize. I like the sound of that.

    • Sid

      This is a fantastic write up.

      “I hoped that none of Canada’s reported 1525 Scientologists were students in that classroom.”
      Scientologists don’t believe in public or secondary education. LRH was against it and that’s good enough for them. Chances of them being in a classroom like that are pretty slim. They have Apple School and Delphi, along with Study Tech. That should work.

      • madame duran

        Unfortunately, there are NON-SCIENTOLOGIST teachers/principals/board administrators who are conned into bringing a cult front group to address students via things such as anti-drug campaigns. Sounds harmless or “pro-health” on the surface but the informed know better. The adults are in need of cult awareness education as much as the children themselves.

    • nice one

    • Excellent!

      That’s a fantastic explanation. It lays out the basics, without getting bogged down in minutiae.

    • Eileen

      Nice job! Have you considered submitting a version for publication? Many state or local teaching associations have newsletters or magazines that publish opinion pieces.

    • skiesareblue

      Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

    • Keeping Scientology Waning

      Outstanding summary. brilliant.

    • Glen

      Thank you for this entirely lucid and powerful statement.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I have to join the chorus here and commend you for such a wonderful statement. Not only it it an informative primer for your colleagues and others, but your tone is engaging and powerful in a direct and almost understated way. Very well done. Thanks for sharing!

      • joan nieman

        You nailed it Mighty Korgo. Thank you for a most informative read.

    • daisy

      Thank you for this report, also I can never get enough of seeing TC make an ass out of himself .

    • El Ron is a Con

      Can I please use your write up with credit and acknowledgment to you at bunker or any other site/name?

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Use it. That would be an honour. Credit it to Anonymous, John Doe, Mighty Korgo, An Anonymous Canadian School Teacher or Underground Bunker Reader, as is appropriate.

    • Xique

      “Should you meet someone in a distructive cult, though communicating with them can be infuriating, the goal is to get them out.” I live with someone in the destructive cult, and talk is infuriating, and by all means yes the goal is to get him out. Please may he wake up and get out ! What a wonderful job you did writing about the Getting Clear Conference. Perfectly Clear.

    • aquaclara

      Thank you sharing this here, with us. What do we want to pass on to our kids is a big item to ponder, and your proof and be wary comments are spot on. This can’t be over-emphasized, as pretty much all of us have fallen for things somewhere along the line…sham wows, multi-level marketing scams, to good to be true offers, fake medical cure-alls that really don’t cure anything, the list goes on and on.

      Logic and rhetoric should be required for all students. Fallacies can be studied. And some practical lessons on good non profits vs scammy ones ones. One of the best takeaways would also be the power of investigative journalism, the right to freedom of the press and the power of single voices raised against evil.

      You inspired me with this – thank you so much for this excellent and thought-provoking piece today.

    • salin

      Amazing post. The ripples of awareness sent out to 2000+ educators, tremendous. Count me as part of the virtual standing ovation that you are deservedly receiving. As one educator to another – high five, fist pump, etc.! Awesome!

    • madame duran

      After reading your letter, Korgo, I really think there should be a way for Disqus members to preserve or recommend individual posts (similar to clicking the “heart” for daily blog entries). I would’ve done so for this one had the feature existed.
      I had just posted a response to Sid but I will repeat the essence of it here: What you learned at the Toronto “Getting Clear” Conference needs to be heard by the ADULTS in the educational field as well as the young students. Teachers and school administrators can and have been hoodwinked by cults/groups with ulterior motives before. They are not above being vulnerable, impressionable or ignorant. Awareness and vigilance are key.

      Thanks for writing your report and let us know if anyone responds to it.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks for the note. It is nice commenting and answering the day after a post. I teach in a large board that employs about 2000 full time teachers. About 15 years ago Scientology was approaching the individual schools under the name of a front group. I don’t remember which but it might have been narconon. It might have been applied scholastics. Occasionally we get people approaching the schools who want to supplement what we do. I remember an art therapist wanting to work out of our school as well, though she had nothing to do with Scientology. My principal understood that he was dealing with Scientology when the front group sent out its mailing. He told me that the information had been sent out to each school and it had been discussed at a principals meeting. I was impressed. He knew of my interest and gave me the literature. I doubt that every board in the area was as aware as these people were, but our admin were on top of it.

    • Jon Atack

      Thanks for this succinct summary. I suggested ‘Getting Clear’ in part because of the excellent Wright/Gibney projects, but also because the seminar was about ‘getting clear’ of Scientology. I would add deception to the short list for a totalist cult. I thoroughly recommend Lalich and Tobias’s Take Back Your Life and Steve Hassan’s Combating Cult Mind Control for a thorough description of the attributes of such groups. I differentiate between ‘deprogramming’ and ‘exit counselling’ or ‘intervention’. Ted Patrick and his ilk were kidnappers who used coercive techniques that often caused as much damage as cult involvement – frequently creating PTSD rather than resolving it. The techniques of exit counselling, pioneered by Steve Hassan, Carol Giambalvo and a few others are very different – the environment is friendly with no suggestion of restraint. When I practised exit-counselling (20 years ago, now), the door was always open (and more than a crack!), the conversation was always supportive and friendly and the aim was to provide information that was inaccessible to members (though often from Hubbard’s own writings, which as we know are replete with contradictions!). My boast is that for the last five years or so that I ‘intervened’ no one who was willing to speak to me returned to the cult. Nor did anyone join the ‘independents’. And it only took a day. It horrifies me that so many people spend decades stuck in Hubworld, which is why i took my life in my hands and returned to the fray in 2013.

      I agree that ‘brainwashing’ is too loaded a term for general use. I’ve used ‘exploitative persuasion’ and ‘thought reform’ for many years, but I’m leading towards ‘manipulation’, because it has been with us for a long time and needs no redefinition. The legal term – which we use at our new Open Minds Foundation (it will launch soon) – is undue influence.

      Bless you for your insight and by all means be in touch, so that we can develop this conversation.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Thinking of you, Jon. Thanks so much for your kindness. I’ll be in touch.
        All the best,
        M.C. “no relation to David”
        😉

  • Dylan

    good trailer. .
    we care enough to keep telling the truth. Is a good line. Slick marketing tactics.

    A little pricy at 120 IMHO

    • SarahDB

      Don’t you think Jon and Jim deserve to price it so that they can recoup some of the money they spent to put this on? I do.

      • EnthralledObserver

        They no doubt deserve it… but that doesn’t mean it’s particularly affordable, unfortunately.

        • SarahDB

          I hear you, but for 27 hours of high quality, high def video, AND an intro price of $90, it seems reasonable to me. Yes, it is also unfortunate that some won’t be able to afford it.

          • Sid

            I think that even at $120 it’s a good deal. Way better than paying $2,500 to run around a pole for a few days at Flag. And I pretty much know I’ll get a lot more out of that conference info.

        • Watch them individually as your budget allows. It’s the cost of a night at the cinema. Invite others over to chip in and make an evening of entheta out of it.

          • stanrogers

            A night at the cinema isn’t particularly affordable to a lot of people either. (I’m among them. That’s not really a complaint as such; it costs money to create things, and as a former pro I understand that. It doesn’t keep me from wanting to see content I can’t afford, though.)

      • Toni m

        Dear Sarah, I always enjoy you positive and sweet personality. Can you help me? I’m lost with VIMEO. How this work? When you buy is it yours forever or is a rental thing where you see it only one time? I’m going to get the special either way, I just want to know a little more about it. Thank you for you help and please keep doing your good work here at the Bunker.

        • SarahDB

          Hi Toni,

          As far as I can tell, this is to rent the series of videos, Vimeo is a site where you can store video and photos. They will be putting out a blu-ray or dvd to buy later, that would be to keep.

          • Toni m

            Thanks for the answer. Now, when you rent them you can see them for how long? The site says something about six months, does that mean that I have six months to see it for the first time or that I can see them as many times I wanted in six months? I will buy the DVD but do you thing they will put the complete convention? It was a long convention. Thanks again for your help and sorry for my ignorance.

            • SarahDB

              I think you have six months to see them as often as you want, and I suspect that those presentations are what will be on the blu-ray video they mentioned.

              No apologies needed, questions are a good way to get information!

            • Toni m

              Thank you again for your help. My interest to know is for my family to see them too. If it is a one time view only I’ll prefer to wait and see them when my kids are available. I read there has been a lot a problems to buy them. Do you know if the problem has been fix? Is hard to read a lot of comments after you worked a 12hrs night shift.

            • SarahDB

              Hi Toni, I was just able to rent the whole set this morning. If you do, you will have 6 months to see them as often as you wish.

            • Toni m

              Thank you Dear Sarah. I’m going to rent the whole set too. Did you have any problem with the 90.00 dollars code?

            • Toni m

              I got it. Didn’t have any problem. The code worked good. I paid only 90 dollars. Very happy. Thank you again.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      I don’t know, have you priced college textbooks lately? It seems like a relative bargain in comparison.

      • SarahDB

        I just spent $190 for ONE textbook for my doctoral program.

      • seriouslyWTF

        So true. I spent 283.00 for one book on Small Business Management and another 300.00 or more for the one class.

    • Doc M

      My office had created an health education DVD for patients. When we calculated the expenses for labels, burning, recording, design, DVD’s etc it came to about 11$ per DVD. There was no profit involved at all.

      Nothing is free in this world. 27 hours of video for $90 or even 120 is a huge bargain.

      • Sherbet

        Doc M, if you’re still in the Bunker, could you email me at tempestohmy@gmail dot com?

    • Doc M

      Opps, just went to the page, it’s to rent, not buy for streaming…still a bargain, though perhaps a bit less.

    • chukicita

      “Slick” is the opposite of “truth.” I think they’re being honest. And 120 is an honest price for that many hours of professionally assembled video with good production values and unique content. No one is intending to make money off of this.

      Maybe folks (like me) who can’t pay for the whole thing up front could get some friends to pitch in, and watch it together in increments across a month of Tuesday evenings, or perhaps a long weekend.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Professionally filming and then editing that much HD video is not cheap. I think it’s fair and I hope many if us here can afford to help out.

  • Hmmm, this is interesting… Fishwrapper (which is owned by TMZ) is actually throwing out headlines that TMZ would never dare to.

    The pic is the teaser from TMZ’s site whilst the actual article (cinema threats in Clearwater) is pretty snarky.

    http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2015/09/19/not-today-thetans/

  • EnthralledObserver

    I’m not going to be able to afford the AU$167.34 right now, but I’m glad to see these vids available to those who can. Looks very good.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Ouch, if I had money like that I’d be vacationing in France.

  • Sid

    That Paul Standring was able to attend Getting Clear as part of his graduate studies is pretty amazing in itself.

    Paul paid $1200 to the university to take the conference so getting the whole thing for $120 seems pretty reasonable. I wonder if other students can now use this course of study as part of their graduate studies at the local university.

    • Eileen

      He would have paid the college for course credit, probably wrote a paper etc. usually a video series would not be considered, because it is not the total experience (meeting people, discussions etc).

  • Sergeant Pepper

    An extraordinary conference! May it resonate and flourish.

  • Mike Leopold

    This was a seminal event; highly informative and deeply personal, this is the full unmasking of Hubbard and Scientology.

    Jim Beverley and Jon Atack have achieved something truly historic. They have shattered forever the deliberately false and fictional narrative that Scientology presents of itself to an unsuspecting public. They gathered a phenomenal group of primary sources, spanning more than a half-century of Scientology’s remarkably well documented history of dishonest revisionism about it’s “Founder” it’s ‘Technology” and its well documented criminal history of abuse of both members and critics alike.

    Prepare to laugh at the absurdity that is Scientology, but bring lots of tissues too.

    • skiesareblue

      The audience was crying even without the soundtrack. The emotional impact of these videos will be monumental. Tissues, for sure. Oh, and bring a whole box to Nora’s session.

  • kemist

    Can we download them instead of streaming ? I like to listen to things like that while working, but my workplace needs the bandwidth.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Thank you Jon, Thank you Professor Beverly. I have been looking forward to seeing this conference and I eagerly look forward to having the time to watch it. Thanks for the early deal on the price, it is much appreciated.

    Also, thank you Skiesareblue for the advice below on having tissues ready. I have a brand new box ready for conference watching. ; )

  • Beth

    I don’t know guys. The Harlem building is a mess. Most of the windows are papered over. If you look through the side windows you can see that the lobby is a wreck – tools, equipment and sawdust and stuff everywhere. I’ll post some pictures in a sec ( which might need to get rotated). P.s. The table outside that looks like it could be part of an event had sawdust all over it like it was being used for construction. Tell me what you think.

    Crap. disqus says the picture from my phone is too big to post. Any suggestions?

    Eta: Maybe I could send them to someone’s burner email box?

    • Supper Powers

      Use Periscope to live stream if you can.

    • Supper Powers

      thesesupperpowers@gmail.com.

      I’ll post for you.

      • Beth

        Ok I’ll try that now.

    • ReallyMGM

      When i need to shrink photo from my phone, I email it to myself. I am given the option of several sizes to save it to mail. I chose medium or small and send. It then it comes to my email (on phone). I then open and save the smaller version to my photo. i don’t usually rename them so have to be careful of which one i use.

      Supper is helping. Yeah!

      • Beth

        just sent a batch through to supper 🙂 thank you!

        • ReallyMGM

          Thank YOU for doing this!

          • Beth

            Happy to do it. And open to any suggestions from the bunker. I put the day aside for this . I’m just wondering if there’s going to be an event.

            • ReallyMGM

              {{{hugs from The Bunker!}}}

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You could keep tabs on the Twitter feed of the Usual Suspects.

        • Supper Powers

          Are they coming through? I see them posted here. Do you?

          • Beth

            Yes!

    • Baby

      Beth thank you so much for the pictures! Have I met you in person?

      • Beth

        No! not yet anyway Baby. I’m a born and raised NYC gal, but I live just outside the city in the suburbs right now. I’ve been reading and posting here in the bunker since about january and haven’t attended a bunker get together or met anyone in person so far. I sure do think the world of this bunker crew though 🙂

        • Baby

          The reason I asked is that I met a critic named Beth and wondered if it was you… would love to meet you one day.. xo baby

  • Supper Powers

    Harlem Ideal Org just now from Beth.

    • Supper Powers

      Inside the Harlem Ideal Org. Live coverage from Beth.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        KSW Bucket O’ BTs Special?

    • Robert Eckert

      Tom Cruise has taught them how to hang from the ceiling, I see.

      • Supper Powers

        Sorry.

        • Robert Eckert

          Disqus does this to people from time to time, not your fault.

        • 9001

          Can I try turning it (F5)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam) popularized a lovely Christian hymn
    by Eleanor Farjeon that had been set to an old Scots Gallic tune.

    On the occasion of the opening of the Harlem Idle Morgue
    I’ve taken some liberties with the lyrics (as is my wont) to fit
    other more malevolent “Churches.”

    Mourning, It’s Broken

    Mourning has choked them
    Like the worst morning.
    Blackheart has spoken
    Like the worst turd.

    Crazy for regging
    Crazed by the mourning
    Crazy them cringing
    At bosh from the Turd.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    HI EVERYONE! JUST WONDERING, is anyone else here a youtube warrior like me? i must admit it gets very very tiresome to try and convince people what scientology really is and does and trying to get thru to those who for whatever reason defend it and i’m guessing these people are NOT scientologists too!.. why on earth would you defend it for any reason is beyond me….

    i am forever posting messages on various scientology videos on youtube and elsewhere and i get for example these “defenses” 1) the old tired excuse of what about other religions who have killed in the name of GOD like christianity, muslim, jewish, and so on since their inception.. killing people is WORSE than stalking harassing people like scientology does! 2) all religions are cults, they are ALL bad and evil and abusive 3) it’s no one else business what religion they practice, freedom of religion for all 4) it’s their own stupidity they got involved in scientology, i don’t feel sorry for them at all 5) i love tom cruise and his movies and that is all that matters to me, whatever he believes in doesn’t affect me, so why should i care… 6) and the latest one i’ve gone back and forth with a individual on another site? the pope and cardinals and bishops always disaparage with remarks and comments individuals and groups that are against them or don’t agree with them? (ALA miscavige and his orders for those to do this)..

    HUH? i’ve never ever heard of the pope now or previous poples disparaging trying to ruin a individual’s reputation who was against the catholic church? and i don’t remember any cardinal, bishop, right hand man of the pope being ordered by the pope to harass, stalk, make videos on the internet about anyone, anything calling them liars, druggies, whores, and so on, trying to destroy them? but ilke i wrote this person thinks all of this is better then what the catholic church and other long existing religions have done in their past (killing, abusing people who wouldn’t conform to their/whatever faith)…of hand, i can’t think of ANY real religion whose leader (perhaps westboro baptist? the davidian group? radical muslim?) who seek to destroy any individual who is against them?….

    • skiesareblue

      Ignorance = lack of knowledge. Eventually everyone will know. Don’t despair, you are doing your part, which is great. Continue to make your voice known. Tick tock.

    • Doc M

      Firstly, through your posts, I’ve heard and read your anger and frustration many times. I haven’t seen what you’ve written on you tube.
      You’re obviously fighting the good fight, however you need to remember that it is extremely hard to change someones opinion and this is doubly so when you don’t have a personal relationship with that person. The internet allows for this anonymous interaction. Here in the U.S. I would think that most people are more concerned with making a living (during a recession), trying to deal with a failing health care system, being fearful of terrorism (which is a fear so nicely spread via the popular media and yes, Scientology qualifies as a terrorist group), and just trying to get through life. I’m not judging, just trying to understand.

      In the scheme of things, Scientology is just a little annoyance to most, except for those who have been directly affected.

      Keep doing what you’re doing and your small part will make a difference…eventually the church will implode as we see happening with it’s continuing deterioration. Remember, Tracy, you can only do today what you can do today.

  • Supper Powers

    More photos from Beth live at the Harlem Ideal Org.

    • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

      Cripes, did they hire a preschool class to fingerpaint the building?

    • May_West

      Is this the Ideal Org or the old org? Is this where they are throwing a “massive block party on Sept. 19 at 125th Street between Second and Third avenues”?

      • Supper Powers

        I don’t know. I’m just posting. Beth will have to tell you.

        • ReallyMGM

          This looks like a different place than the photos of the old storefront. If I didn’t know what evil lurked inside, I would like this place. (I like old things)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            It is a nice looking building for sure.

      • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

        Based on the previous pictures, it is the Ideal Org. This is the street view of the site from 2013 (MLK Blvd is the new name for 125th St):

      • Beth

        It’s 220/222 east 125th street. Yes – b/w 2nd and 3rd aves.

        • Beth

          It’s on a crappy block in east Harlem almost at the entrance to the triboro bridge. I just sent supper a wider view. It’s two doors down from demolition depot :)))

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I saw that…and already made a snarky comment about it. Thanks sweetie, for the morning reporting. Now get me a good NYC bagel, stat.

          • A bird in the chimney

            I know just the spot you mean! The demolition depot is actually a really cool store–it’s architectural salvage and fixtures.

            Overall, this last bit of 125th St does not get heavy foot traffic; there’s no draw of stores or anything to walk past it on a regular basis. The city has been trying to revitalize the area and make it less industrial for quite a while. I don’t think having an Ideal Morgue there will help.

            Tons of cars queuing to cram onto the bridge, yes, and another queue of people waiting to get on the bus to cram onto the bridge along with the cars. But not much pedestrian activity. There’s some great irony in that.

            Thanks for being there today and reporting so much, Beth! It’s awesome.

            • Kestrel

              The Dallas Ideal Morgue has zero foot traffic. There are no sidewalks on either side of the street and not much vehicle traffic.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Beth thank you so much for being on the spot – these pictures are worth 1,000 Dan Sherman words!

            • Beth

              wow! Thanks FMFH.

    • ReallyMGM

      What is COB boy gonna say when he sees they didn’t mask off places for painting, and it looks like this? Obviously rushing to get in under deadline.

  • May_West

    Pope of scientology in Harlem today? Pope of RC religion in Harlem next Friday. Wonder which Pope will get the largest crowd.

    • ze moo

      This is not a popeularity contest. We’re talking about clearing the planet and saving mankind from imaginary infestations of trillion year old spirits.

      Now chant with me:

      “The Power of Lron compels you”
      “The Power of Lron compels you”

      {repeat ad finitum and place 20 dollar bills on a table every time you repeat it}

  • Supper Powers

    Two more photos from Harlem this morning, thanks to Beth.

    • Supper Powers

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        The place isn’t done and ready for the opening, but the important things like security cameras appear to be in place, so that’s good.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Has there been a previous Org opening where the place wasn’t ready in time? In any event, It’s RPF city for this fiasco.

        • They’ll just take their Ideal Shoop of what it’s supposed to look like, print it out life-sized on rolls of plastic, and stick it to the front of the building.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            Works for me. A closed org is always Ideal.

      • Observer

        Given the condition of the building, I can’t help but wonder if this is some kind of bait and switch–that they’re publicizing this location for the event, but privately contacting those who have RSVPed with the real location so SPs can’t spoil the fun. Maybe I’m overthinking it, but with Scientology you never know. They’ve done so much weirder stuff.

        • Jimmy3

          Were they publicizing it?

        • Beth

          I’ve got my car . Doesn’t co$ have a fifth avenue storefront somewhere? But that would be too “small”, no? I can cruise by no problem. Or any other ideas. If I can hunt him down I will.

          • A bird in the chimney

            iirc, it’s just north of the Applebee’s on 125th St. Then there’s the big location on W 46th St.

            • Beth

              Yes bird – it’s on that block between 125 and 226. Nothing going on there, besides a sea orger outside on cell phone. here’s a photo.

            • Beth

              I didn’t want to go into the Times Square traffic, but I did drive by the celebrity center on Eat 82nd street to complete my uptown Co$ tour for the day 🙂

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’m so impressed! You have gone above and beyond the call of duty.

            • Beth

              it was fun 🙂

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I spy a guy walking by.

      Thank you so much for the photos.

      • Supper Powers

        It’s all Beth. I’m lying in bed like a slacker.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’m lying on the couch. Wishing I had some breakfast treats from Zabar’s on Broadway and was walking around with Beth.

          • Beth

            yum. and that would have been fun L. Wrong 🙂

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’m thinking some nice, chocolate Babka.

    • Sherbet

      Where’s the ribbon? It isn’t a grand opening without the ribbon.

      • May_West

        And no pulpit for the pope? And no brush tech to keep SPs out?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Uh oh, no ribbon, paint buckets still inside….they’re not ready. Bwahahahaha. There’s gonna be a new COB phrase today. YSCOBroadway.

        • ReallyMGM

          I don’t think they are ready. (Understatement of the year!)

          • Sherbet

            Kinda looks that way, huh?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        They can’t have their giant, ugly ecclesiastical bow until they’ve prepared a proper theta environment for COB to be filmed in. 🙂

      • Keeping Scientology Waning

        Someone will run by Michael’s on the way in and pick up some ribbon.

    • visitor

      Note the revolving door. Wish all the rest of the orgs had it so easy.

      • chukicita

        It only goes one way.

  • Sherbet

    I want! I will buy! The trailer piques my interest (as if I weren’t already interested).

  • A bird in the chimney

    I’m so looking forward to being able to watch these videos! The daily reports during the conference made at the Bunker alone assure me they’ll be worth the investment, and support. Thank you as always, Jon, for your continued hard work of such clarity, scope, and distinction.

    (F5)

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ha, I was going to post this exact meme! My sentiments exactly. Opening the wallet now…

  • Supper Powers

    Wide shot of Harlem CoS from Beth.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      How convenient for the fall of the CO$, the demolition depot is right next door. Can we get started early?

    • Beth

      Just sent one more of what the building faces across the street. Now I’m going to go get a coffee 🙂

      • Jimmy3

        Is this thing gonna happen? It doesn’t look like it, does it?

        • Beth

          No it doesn’t, but I’m going to give it a while and see. Lots to do in the ‘hood. I’ll let you all know if there are any new developments. Thanks for the assist Supper! :)))))

          • Supper Powers

            I’m doing it for the stats. 😉

          • Jimmy3

            Well, it’s still a good scoop. Good work.

            • Beth

              thanks buddy

      • MaxSpaceman

        No ribbon n bow. Has there ever been an opening w/o giant ribbon …

      • chukicita

        A thousand thanks for the photos! Wish I could buy you a coffee.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Sterling effort, Beth – thank you!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    A repost of mine from one of many during the Toronto Conference – to jog memories.
    This is from the 23rd of June:

    “Quotes and more from today:

    Paulette Cooper, from her talk this morning:
    An ex from Belgium writes for several years, in her annual Christmas card to Paulette –
    “Thank you for saving me from being a crazy $cientology lady.”

    Jon Atack, on fair game:
    “These awful traumatic experiences are visited upon you,
    not because you are trying to hurt anyone,
    but because you are trying to tell the truth.”

    Tony Ortega on the objective difference between the $cientology scene in 2011 and 2015:
    “I can’t keep up.”

    This was not long before we return from a break to the sight of Tony,
    on Vaquera’s phone, wearing headphones, conducting an interview.

    As Chris Shelton speaks about the horrors of the Truth Rundown
    and FPRD (False Purpose Rundown) – basically a corrupt form of
    emotional and mental abuse largely reserved for the Sea Org on the RPF,
    the purpose of which is to make $cientology right and it’s minions wrong,
    Tony is typing behind me – the Reed Slatkin obituary he was interviewing about.
    Breaking news on the Bunker.

    A very touching moment, when Spanky (who must be one of the kindest people I have ever met)
    spoke of being posted to Toronto as pr/handler for a band with a hit. (Edmond Bear, perhaps?)
    She called Nan McLean, thinking she had a mission.
    Nan put her right pretty quickly and told her of torture and troubles in $cientology.
    Spanky went back to her boss who labeled Nan a loony.
    But Spanky kept thinking how genuine and kind Nan seemed.
    As she said, “You might shovel it under the mental carpet” but it stayed
    with her.
    Then she said that it had been one of the highlights of this conference, meeting Nan and thanking her.

    Hana, Nancy and Jesse thanked Chris for addressing the Truth Rundown.
    The hurt and harm that it has wrought was palpable.

    Spanky’s description of introducing Robin Williams to Diana Hubbard was funny and bitter-sweet.
    Nora piggybacking a kid to the disapproval of her commanding officer (which part of the alphabet soup,
    I deliberately disregarded) was funny in the telling but telling in the fear of the possibility of the RPF.

    Another wonderful day.
    The lunch at Tuckers – as I look behind me while waiting for a traffic light, I see Gerry Armstrong deep in conversation with Paulette, Tony somewhere nearby, Vaquera and Miss Duran beside me.
    Phew.

    This is a historic conference.
    I am so happy it is being professionally filmed.
    Jamie tomorrow night!”

    • Vaquera

      Thanks for the re-post, Pan. I was derelict in reading comments that week. Actually, most everything else fell to the wayside in favor of listening and learning from the experts.

    • ze moo

      The Toronto conference is destined to be the seminal work on $cientology and all cults.

  • flyonthewall

    Fly will wait for bluray. Fly like to have it for keeps.

    • Jimmy3

      Jimmy will wait for Etch-a-Sketch GIFs. Jimmy just like Etch-a-Sketch.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Online Etch-a-Sketch for my favorite clover. http://www.toplaying.com/skill-games/etch-a-sketch-3459

      • flyonthewall

        waiting game sucks. Let’s play hungry hungry hippos

        • ze moo

          I am more of a Rock em, sock em robot bull.

          • flyonthewall

            ah yes, a sport of men

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Looks like a quartet of Reggers on a Thursday morning.

        • ReallyMGM
          • Nat-leficent

            OMG. Sooooooo doing this.

            • ReallyMGM

              Make a video to share!

        • Jimmy3

          No. Remember, I’ve told you this before? You get too carried away at hungry hungry hippos. Last time you began to think you were a hippo, and you started eating all the balls yourself. Grabbing them and shoving them in your mouth like a maniac.

          • flyonthewall

            You promised you’d never speak of that. You have betrayed Fly’s trust. How would you like it if I told everyone how you pee your pants when you sneeze? Oops. My bad

            • Jimmy3

              I had a cold when I told you that! That’s not fair!

            • flyonthewall

              deal with it chummm….p

        • Nat-leficent

          I loved that game!!!

      • Miss Tia

        OT I sent the Parma event info to your toss away email you were emailing me with.

        • Jimmy3

          Sweet. Thanks you

        • jazzlover

          Speaking of which 🙂

          • Miss Tia

            oh shit!!!! profuse apologies!!! i have been cross stitching trying to finish something ‘big’ before i can start auxiliary project. the big project is making me want to scream, oh wait, i did yesterday a couple times……

            • jazzlover

              I knew you were getting ready for Tony’s visit next week so I understand. But, to quote Glenn Close: “I will not be ignored” LOL

  • ze moo

    It doesn’t matter how may ‘Ideal’ ‘churches’ or pretend drug rehabs or ‘Continental Liaison Offices’ {is this an ‘Ashley Madison operation?} the CO$ opens, the public is getting forewarned by the likes of Jon Atack, Lawrence Wright, Jenna Miscavage Hill, Paulette Cooper and TonyO and Paul Haggis and so many others.

    Another addition to the vox populi

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Scientology-Film-Going-Clear-Just-Ran-Huge-Problem-Florida-83527.html

    They have an earlier article that quotes Tony about how the Sea bOrg think about clam clebs.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Scientologists-Actually-Think-Tom-Cruise-According-Going-Clear-70158.html

    The ‘fringes of the internet’ really don’t fear the clampire anymore. Each and every step and misstep is going to be chronicled and the light of day has never been kind to the clams. Even Ostriches take their head out of the sand once and a while and when they do, they can’t miss all the public relations disasters that infect the clam bed.

    I am really enjoying the pics of the Harlem event, thank all who take these pics. Be safe…..

  • Miss Tia

    I just emailed pre-/post- Parma event info to everyone I had an email for. From my yahoo email, misstiaemail(at)yahoo(dot)com, subject: September 23rd Parma. 2 people I sent it via FB–if I’ve only contacted you via FB, check your other folder as FB can be a dick that way. I think I got everyone, except Chuck Beatty—-he posted here he was attending, so I’m not making someone’s attendance public who didn’t want it known. If someone knows how to contact him and if you got my email, please forward it to him. Thanks! 🙂

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      Thanks! I sent my reply to you.

  • Supper Powers

    If you were walking out the door of the Harlem Ideal Org, this would be your view. Infinitely better than the one walking in. Photo from Beth as she is providing live correspondence from the Harlem Ideal Org grand opening that ain’t so ideal. It ain’t happening today.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Poor DM, his ideal opening got all MEST up.

      • MaxSpaceman

        A well’a Thetan gone bad’a
        Inside’a my knee
        I’m itchin’ like a man in a fuzzy tree
        Self-auditing like crazy, am wild as a bug
        I’m in dutch
        I’m all MEST up
        Mm mm mm, mn, yay, yay, yay

        • joan nieman

          That’s good Max!

    • Semper Phi

      This is actually no surprise, since they have a long history of quietly changing the dates of org openings when things aren’t ready. Didn’t we see a photo a week or so ago of the furniture being loaded in? I noticed then that the walls in the stairway were still unpainted sheet rock.

      Also, I checked the FB page of a guy who is on staff at Harlem, and on Sept. 3 he said he was going to Flag for “executive training.” That’s late days to be sending executives for training, if they were really opening today. This is so par for the Scilon course.

      And now I have my afternoon free! (Well, in addition to my whole life, now that I’m out of that mess.)

  • Holy cow. That is my first time seeing the trailer. It looks pretty powerful. I mean I was there speaking and I am impressed. If you can chip in a few bucks here and there do it. I am not even gonna shamelessly self promote my parts. EVERYONE who spoke was so moving and wonderful. Sincerely. I know that sounds lame but it is true. It’s a lot of hours. But the take in there were like nothing I had ever heard. And for use of you out there who have left Scientology like I did I can say honestly being a part of that conference was like getting 5 years of therapy. It changed my life. I am honored to have been a part of it and I hope my small part in it can help others. Xoxo

    • jazzlover

      Definition of a good person: one who always tries to do the right thing, even when it’s not required 🙂

    • Vaquera

      You rocked the stage with a powerful performance. As I said in my comment a moment ago, I am hesitant to suggest a favorite presentation, but yeah,…you had us laughing to speechless to tears and then back to laughter. A+

    • skiesareblue

      You have the gift! Consider going on the road with Jamie. 🙂

    • Keeping Scientology Waning

      Shamelessly? You should proudly promote your efforts!! awesome.

    • StudentOfLife

      Nora, if you want to watch any of it together, I bought it at the discount and would love to invite some people and watch key parts of it with a group. Also, we have to get your kids and you back on tennis court. I just had to coach all day at the Ventura High School Invitational after returning from Atlanta doing research for my 2016 tennis publication and teaching MTM to coaches at South Fulton Tennis Facility and other cool locales. I warned everyone before you went public you were going to be bold, witty, and sassy with brassy cajones that make Miscavige’s look like Mustard seeds in the biblical sense, which at that time was the smallest unit of human measurement. I knew you would be worth the price of admission alone as I have showed your Youtube videos to many people in Atlanta who were aghast and several of them ordered Going Clear subsequently. Winning the emmy’s no doubt caused a lot of people to purchase it curious why Scientology could not stop it in court and why they were attacking it so badly in front of Youtube videos by ex-scilons such as you. I learned so much from you. Thank you for sharing it all raw and uncensored. You play such an important role. .

  • ReallyMGM

    Your morning “hit the red heart” reminder. Click the red heart right above the Kitteh to show today’s post some love.

    • A bird in the chimney

      I just scrolled up to look for a surprise Kitteh–only to see my own bird. lol. I’d have liked if it the page design included a bonus Kitteh roadmapping the heart. 🙂

      • ReallyMGM

        When I wrote it, the comment was still at the top. The heart was above my avatar. I just left the direction, even though I knew it would change. A Kitteh road marker would be good!

        • A bird in the chimney

          After I went looking for Kitteh, I realized that’s what you meant. Then I lamented the absence of an all the time Kitteh road marker. If only! It’d make a perfect addition to the Bunker.

    • skiesareblue

      oops, you’ve already sent the reminder. I can’t keep up today!

      • ReallyMGM

        Skies, all reminders are good. They disappear down thread quickly.

  • Yeppir

    Just rented the series. The good news is I can watch on my tv, too. Can’t wait. I was going to go to the movies tonight, but now maybe I’ll stay in!

  • Vaquera

    Finally! The conference is available and I promise, it is well worth the wait.

    For those of you who decide to pick and choose individual sessions (Tony Ortega),
    Instead of watching the entire week’s worth of heady information (Jon Atack),
    I would like to be able to suggest some guidance (Jesse Prince),
    A short list of greatest hits (Nora Crest),
    But in doing so (Pete Griffiths),
    I would surely leave out one fantastic presentation (Tory Christman)
    Or another (Chris Shelton),
    So, (Nancy Many),
    I will not make any indications (Hana/Spanky)
    As to any favorites (Nan McClean).
    I will leave you to choose (Steve Cannane/Jonny Jacobsen)
    For yourselves which videos in which to indulge (Jamie DeWolf).
    Happy viewing!

    • Sherbet

      You’re a hoot.

      • Vaquera

        Took me all freaking morning.

        • Sherbet

          Good work. Now rest for lunch.

          • Vaquera

            Lightbulb moment. They happen every so often, but unusual for before noon on a Saturday. I wish there was an off topic discus site that could function as a sort of book club, but for video viewing of Getting Clear. So, like, this week, watch episode one and then come back to said site to post/discuss your thoughts and OMGs. No, I don’t know how to do it and, no, I don’t want to organize it. I’m just the idea person and it might be a dim one at the that, IDK. Maybe we should just have derail discussions here and I should keep my fragile lightbulbs to myself.

            • ReallyMGM

              Great idea, like a book club for the video. i don’t know how to set it up either.

            • EmmaDaoust

              I’ll be, uh, postulating for your special hugs while I’m watching it, Vaq. 🙂

            • Vaquera

              They’re here anytime you are in need of one, honey.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              You can start an ‘off topic’ Disqus thread here: https://disqus.com/home/channel/offtopic/

        • joan nieman

          Well it was certainly worth it and we do appreciate it.

    • AnonymousSP

      Which session had Lawrence W video? Anyone know?

      • Vaquera

        If you are on facebook, try asking Spike Robinson. She was the daily organizational muscle at the conference.

      • madame duran

        It was either the Wednesday session or last day (Friday) of the conference. The focus was on challenging the church in court. He summarized his legal case, what he’s doing now and encouraged others to take advantage of the documents, knowledge and precedent that was already set, thanks to him (and many others on his team). The information is readily available and all on public record; no need to rehash or struggle. He gave an email address for people to contact him via FACT.net if they needed help (going by memory; must check my conference notes).

        I must say, though…I miss his giant moustache. The 80s were so awesome. *sigh*

  • Good show! I only attended a few days, so I’m definitely buying this.

  • Sunny Sands

    More permit paperwork issued yesterday for Clearwater Narconon. (F5) It also mentions pending reviews.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Wow….

    The trailer is so powerful.. I gotta do it.. I want to see it all..

  • TexasBroad

    I will pack my lunch this week instead of dining out so I can put my pennies toward this purchase…I am so happy that this has been made available! Thanks to all for this. It would have been amazing to have attended and this makes up for it that I could not– well, except that I missed the chance to meet so many of you.

    • ReallyMGM

      ^^^^this^^^^

    • Jimmy3

      Lunchables are better than most restaurants anyway.

      • TexasBroad

        Ummm….you must live near some really bad restaurants Jimmy3! 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          If I threw a rock, it’d probably hit a Taco Bell.

  • skiesareblue

    Today’s a good day to click the heart.

    • madame duran

      Oh indeed it is!!!! 😀
      *clicks heart*

  • chukicita

    So according to the dna article (some kind bunkerite posted here earlier), Harlem org never got the permit to close 125th street for 3 hours approved …?

    • Pierrot

      according to the same article:

      Pastor Cheeseboro “I can’t say I’m happy about the decision but when you need something, somehow He finds a way to make it happen,”

      Now who is this “He” that will find a way to make it happen? lrh?

      • Jimmy3

        Cheesey P wasn’t talking bout Jeezy C
        That’s all I know

  • Tony Ortega

    Note about Harlem added to the post

    • madame duran

      I am full of disappoint, Scientology.
      (Ha ha! No I’m not. Okay, maybe a little bit. No…what I really meant to say is “YAY FOR HARLEM!!! LOL and BOO FOR THE CULT!!!”. Did I make myself clear? I hope so. Time for morning tea!!)

      • skiesareblue

        I’ve never seen you this giddy, madame! 🙂 It’s wonderfully contagious. Great day in the Bunker.

      • Yeppir

        So agree. You should have capitalized CLEAR. Ha..

  • Mark

    Sorry, but the discount code Jon gives doesn’t seem to work (at least from the UK in sterling). Is this offer only valid if you pay in US dollars?

    • skiesareblue

      I didn’t get the discount either…Canada.. I’ve sent them an email, still waiting.

      • Mark

        Me too—also found the dedicated link to Ep. 1 is dead. Oh dear!

  • Jimmy3

    Maybe the Ideal Giant Ribbon Factory closed? The show can’t go on without a giant ribbon.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Maybe krusty bought up all the material for future needs.

      • Jimmy3

        Off the top ropes elbow drop. That’s a three count.

      • madame duran

        “Organic Liaison Thongs — available in XXXL (hey, big girls need love too!)”
        NO! I KID!!

        • skiesareblue

          On fire!

        • EmmaDaoust

          ahem 🙂

          • daisy

            Emma I have been looking for the emmy s on FX . Doesn’t show . Do you know of any other station that it might play here? I am so glad its only day surgery, bad enough without a hospital stay.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Oh, you have soooo come to the wrong person on that one, daisy! I have no tv, no cable, and no clue about internet tv streaming. Yes, it’s a 15 minute surgical procedure, but all day prep and recovery. Then they send me home to fumble with one hand. Cat’s gonna have to open her own can of cat food.

            • daisy

              I didn’t have one for about 3 months, didn’t miss it. Got a new one to watch emmys . I am pretty sure from what Nola says I will not see them. Oh well. I am sure you realize you can pre-open cat food. LOL

            • EmmaDaoust

              Yes, well, I just wish the Miss Cat would help out while I’m recovering and serve MY dinner. Alas, no opposable thumbs.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              It’s on the FXX channel hon. ; ) Not sure who your satellite/cable provider is so I can’t tell you which channel it would be on in your area. Look around your channels, if you have that channel, you’ll find it.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              The link to their website, they should have a feature that will tell you what channel it is on with your provider. http://www.fxnetworks.com/network-landing/fxx/Eastern

            • daisy

              Thank you so much.

  • Kim O’Brien

    watched the trailer . why does everything sound better with a British accent ?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I don’t know but when they ask you,”to have coffee” after the bar closes that really isn’t what they have planned.

      • coonellie

        Good thing, too, as I hate coffee after hours

  • madame duran
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Goodie goodie!

    • Spackle Motion

      Completely OT, but I have a co-worker that never heard of Duran Duran….it really made me feel old.

      • madame duran

        *jaw drops*
        *calls Duranie 911*
        Is this person from North America? Or anywhere in the Western Hemisphere/Westernized world? Are they under the age of 30 (yeah, most likely. I’ve encountered the same thing.)?
        Yo, the child is in need of a good edjumackation. Not just of Duran stuff either. Like…the whole 80s decade (at least!!!). This kind of unawareness is on par with someone saying they’ve never watched “The Wizard of Oz”, “Star Wars”, “The Sound of Music” or the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy. What??? Not even tried to watch them?
        Nah. That’s unacceptable.
        No excuse.
        Just…no.
        If you or s/he needs info, I can help.
        I CAN’T SIT ASIDE AND DO NOTHING!!!
        😉
        Okay, seriously…if you have questions…just ask. Damn. Have pity for the young’uns.

        • coonellie

          Baby C knows more about music from the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s than people my age (who grew up with the music of the 70’s and 80s in the UK and definitely knew Duran Duran). It’s all about having great parents who care about the important parts of a child’s education ;).

        • Spackle Motion

          Yes, he is about 30 and actually thinks he’d rather have the AMG BMW and live in a shitty apartment than own a home. There was a bunch of us at a week-long meeting and someone made a Duran Duran reference and he didn’t get it. He definitely got his ration of shit from us for the rest of the week.

      • Robert Eckert

        Article about two teenagers watching all the Best Picture winners: they learned that Hitchcock was really good and really liked this actor they’d never heard of, Dustin Hoffman.

        https://medium.com/@TheAcademy/what-two-teenagers-learned-from-watching-every-best-picture-oscar-winner-6217311ca0c5

  • Robert Eckert

    In “Absurd Creature of the Week” a clam that attacks ships:

    http://www.wired.com/2015/06/absurd-creature-of-the-week-shipworm/

    • daisy

      Invasive, costly, and slimy, just like scientologists clams. Story a perfect metaphor.

      • ReallyMGM

        UGH!!! Strong warning needed for anyone with a weak stomach. Skipping lunch today.

        • PlanetJ

          HT! my stomach is in knots..fixing to go in and watch.

          • ReallyMGM

            Story with photos. I made it halfway through. I thought I had a strong stomach.

            • PlanetJ

              Nooo noo…I’m not going there. lol! I’m talking the game. 😉

            • PlanetJ

              I meant..the Game Day show. I want to watch the upcoming story they are doing on L.Treadwell. That is one great kid..I just can’t watch repeats of that leg break.

            • ReallyMGM

              No, I don’t watch replays of broken bones. I have a vidid memory of my own catastrophe on replay. Several years since it happened and it still hurts.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Sound like my vasectomy

        • EmmaDaoust

          An impotent operation that made a vas deferens in your life..

          • PlanetJ

            LOL!

            • EmmaDaoust

              That’s what my brother said after his. 🙂

      • PlanetJ

        Good Mornin’ Miss Daisy..would you happen to have a twitter? I’d like to follow you. 🙂

        • daisy

          Honey, I just barely can figure out the computer to come here . I am a menace to society as it is. But thank you for the warm sentiment.

          • PlanetJ

            I think you should have one! I love your wit,you bring a smile to my face everyday..eeerybody needs more Daisy in their life. 😉

            • daisy

              xoox. I needed that .

    • Mark

      Oh, would that shipworms ate Freewindses too…

      • Robert Eckert

        I don’t think they can live off asbestos.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I hope the people of Harlem take great offense to their new neighbors and dump that crummy cross in an alley!

  • Yeppir

    Good stuff. Great quality vid. Prolly not too great quality pic of vid, but there ya go. Rent it. Like I said. Good stuff.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Your home is beautiful.

      • Yeppir

        And you are a lovely person. Thank you for saying that.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          That’s sweet of you to say, thank you. Enjoy the conference. 🙂

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This photo has gone into your permanent file at OSA. Hope every time any one of them looks at it they wonder to themselves: How could a bitter, unemployed dweller on the fringes of the internet have such charming place to live…

      • Yeppir

        I have a permanent file? That’s fucking FANTASTIC. (Yes, I yelled that.) Finally. Now I can sleep at night.

        Oh, HAi, OSA. Fuck you..

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Sigh.

          And now that’s in your permanent file, too. One day, when the Scientologists are running everything (LRH said it, so it must be true), you will be very, very sorry…!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Yessss!!! I’ve been so looking forward to seeing the vids from this conference. It’s like Xmas came early. All our favorite SPs, all in one place? Priceless. Forever grateful to everyone who made this thing happen. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to disappear down this amazing rabbit hole for a little while…

  • nottrue
  • Lil Davey will go to any length to keep Sea Orc members from seeing Going Clear on days off. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/going-clear-dropped-florida-theater-824627

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Please go over and leave a comment. The comment section is run by Disqus, so you are already logged in!

    • skiesareblue

      “dropped plans to play AlexGibney’s documentary . . . .after being pressured by the church…”

      “PRESSURED”? don’t they mean THREATENED?

    • daisy

      Sea Org. members have days off?

  • nottrue

    The Elfman’s sharing scientology wisdom with the world. And by the way scientology can help you with that….https://twitter.com/bodhielfman/status/644610549456719873

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I guess if it’s true for Bodhi, it’s true…

    • daisy

      Are horses considered Lesbians?

      • hansje brinker

        And squirrels?

    • Yeppir

      Lesbians. Everyone is a lesbian. ORLY? How about the people that aren’t? I mean, really. Some of us are and some of us aren’t. Simple, right? Nope. Not for the self-absorbed Elfmans. Everyone’s a lesbian. SMDH.

      • hansje brinker

        He is not clear yet.

        • Yeppir

          Clearly.

    • hansje brinker

      Wow, Bodhi Elfman has blocked me on his Twitter -account! Strange and funny, because (I thought) I have never reach him by Twitter.

    • Jimmy3

      If I were a lesbian, the first thing I’d do is steal Ellen’s girl.

      • Yeppir

        Hi Cait! ( Footnote: see Bruce Jenner for how it’s done.)

        • Jimmy3

          Screw you! I would be so much prettier than Cait Jenner.

          • Yeppir

            Mmkkay. Dox plox. She’s pretty pretty. Not that you aren’t, Jimmy. Or Kimmy. Or whatever. SRSLY. (Love you BTW.)

    • Scream Nevermore

      Hasn’t he read his Glorious Leader’s thoughts on same-sex relationships and those who conduct them?

    • Mockingbird

      It’s a fantasy for some men.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X
    A quick reminder – perhaps an activity while you take a breath from
    “Getting Clear”?

    We take bait and switch fraudulent ads down. Join us.
    Two ways – Flag them (Red-X) and via a complaint to CL
    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Tick Tock, Dave
    What part of “Going Clear” has you
    threatening the First Amendment in Florida?

    • skiesareblue

      Whack-a-doodle, DOOOoooooooo! f5

  • Tony Ortega

    Note about Rinder’s blog added to the post.

    • Science Doc

      Mike is spot on this morning. I know more than my share of the relevant science, and I was also on time release Niacin for 5 years to boost good cholesterol. I went off Niaspan 18 months ago based on the studies showing little benefit and increased risk. I made some sensible adjustments to my diet and was able to reachieve the desirable lipid numbers using only a low dose statin. The levels of niacin in the purif are clearly dangerous. I hope the Narconon litigation will continue to hammer away at the pertinent causes of action.

      • skiesareblue

        http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-danger-of-niacin/

        Take THAT, Kirstie FUCKING Alley!

        • EmmaDaoust

          WHOO! Go skies!

          • skiesareblue

            My grandmother just rolled over in her grave! haha This subject changes a person, and if ever the “F” word is warranted, it’s on this blog.

            • Vaquera

              Cracks me up to imagine you saying fuck.

      • Mark

        Now maybe they’ll invent a statin that doesn’t make your joints ache like buggery in cold weather.

        • Science Doc

          Lower doses will help with that. My original dose gave me a lot of pain. Now I get my pain mostly from a recent progression of spinal problems.

        • Betty

          D3 helps with that

        • skiesareblue

          I’m so afraid of statins. My Dr. says as long as I keep doing Treadmill Cardio at the gym, I won’t have to take them. Working so far.

        • Scream Nevermore

          I’m on Rosuvastatin – though given my arthritis, I don’t know if it makes my joints ache or not!

          • EmmaDaoust

            Same here. I actually did not know anything about the possible side effects of statins (ie. muscle weakness and pain) until a friend told me about them this year, citing her concerns taking them, as she has post-polio syndrome.

      • Supper Powers

        Sort of OT, when I was in high school and college, there was this very popular myth that would come up in drug discussions. People would often say that Niacin stopped an LSD trip or lessened the effects of MDMA. This was pre-internet, so I wonder where and how this myth originated.

        • Science Doc

          Haven’t heard that one, but I heard some pretty wild stuff back in the day.

      • kemist

        Total LDL is a bad predictor of heart disease anyways… It seems a better indicator would be small dense LDL, and most standard labs lack the equipment to test for it. High LDL is bad if it is mostly small dense, neutral if it is mostly large buhoyant particles.

        You are better watching blood triglycerides, and those do not seem to be affected much by statins or niacin. They do get better, however, if you cut down your consumption of sucrose, which the AHA has recently recommended.

        • skiesareblue

          I vouch. Another culprit is “fat-free” stuff. What a hoax.

          • EmmaDaoust

            And the ‘diet soda’ industry – now shown to increase sugar cravings and wreak havoc on diabetics. I’m glad I never got hooked on the stuff.

            • kemist

              It’s better to avoid sugary drinks altogether, be they juice (natural or not, there is no difference) or soft drinks.

              The real sugar versions make you consume way more fructose than you should be having (fructose is more and more being recognized as a potent hepatotoxic comparable to ethanol, capable of inducing fatty liver disease) and aspartame is known to increase appetite (it is used for that purpose in animal feeds).

            • EmmaDaoust

              Exactly. I remember you posting about this some time ago, kemist. There are two facts that the layperson is unaware of: 1. that juice is equal to cola – sugar is sugar, and 2. that aspartame, considered ‘low cal’ can be ‘addictive’ and as you said, can increase appetite. Thank you.

          • kemist

            Oh yes.

            Way better for your health to have full fat, plain yogurt to which to add fruit, than low-fat crap full of sugar.

            The evidence is accumulating that dairy fats are actually protective against heart disease.

            • skiesareblue

              Yes. I switched to full fat everything last year, and actually lost weight. I’ve found milk that comes in real, glass bottles from a local organic dairy. One good coffee (cappucino made with $5 estate sale expresso maker) + gorgeous milk foam on top (from same cheapo machine) keeps me going all morning. ..And if you can find either homemade or locally made yogurt, it is just NOT the same stuff. I’m a spoiled girl. I’d like to give up sugar, but it’ll never happen.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Wow, good stuff in Rinder’s post. Makes me wonder how this could affect the DoD-funded purif for GWS study. Even though niacin is considered a dietary supplement, in clinical trials for a therapeutic indication, it would (should, if the rules are followed) be treated like a study drug. That means the investigators would’ve had to submit an Investigational New Drug application to use it in the study. These applications are supposed to include known toxicities. If new information is discovered, the IND should ideally be updated and the IRB for the study notified to determine whether it’s safe for the study to continue. Who knows if they’re actually following the regs for this one, though.

  • mikecrosby

    Anyone trying to rent the streaming video of the conference and aren’t able to? Not working for me.

    • Yeppir

      Worked good for me. Update your browser or select a different one? Workedd on my phone and on my TV.

    • Mark

      The discount code Jon gave doesn’t work 🙁 But they’ve been emailed about it.

      • skiesareblue

        Me neither, still waiting for reply.

        • Mark

          We probably won’t hear anything till Monday. Even Canadian academics need some down-time 😉

        • Yeppir

          Yeah, me either. I paid the full $120. No dinner out for me tonight. ($30 bucks makes a diff.)

          • skiesareblue

            Kraft dinner?

            • Yeppir

              Stoeffers lasag. Not bad.

  • Saint

    I’m wondering if there has been any thought to a library campaign. I’d love to buy in for purposes of world wide dissemination…

    • Jimmy3

      That’s a good plan. Because most libraries have free WiFi.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That kind of plan sounds sooo familiar. Now, where could we have heard of something like that? 😉

  • TinyTyrant

    Hi everyone, Just thought I’d let you know that there are shills for the cherch posting over here. Our good friend Elle is over there. Sad news about the theatre in Clearwater.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Scientology-Film-Going-Clear-Just-Ran-Huge-Problem-Florida-83527.html

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Toronto, Getting Clear Conference:

    Tony live blogged day 1, 22nd June:

    Here was my end-of-day comment – how appropriate that my daily bus

    to the Conference is called The Rocket!:

    “A detailed report from Toronto – nah, not really – Tony did that, ty:

    OMG

    My whiplash from being in the same room with so many wonderful people may not be healed.
    I walk into the hotel lobby and the first person I see –

    “Hi Tony, My name is ….”

    “Do I know you?”

    “Yeah, I’m Panopea on the Bunker.”

    Jon Atack walks out of the elevator.
    And it just kept happening.
    Damn, there’s Tory.

    Cripes, Andreas.
    Oh, there’s Jamie.
    Steve Hassan.
    Jens.
    Paul and Paulette.
    Jesse , Nan McLean, …

    Nora.
    Chris Shelton.

    OMG, there’s Len Zinberg and Spike and oh, Hana, omg, Spanky …

    I really have no idea what it was like to be a teenage girl screaming when Beatlemania was in full flight.
    But I could make an educated guess after today.

    “Hey, what network are you guys connecting to?”

    Well, …

    That was Texas and Skiesareblue.

    Later Betsy and then Mighty Korgo .

    Phew.
    I had to get back to the ranch to be with my little guy
    and his beautiful mom who puts up with my $cifi obsession.

    What a conference.
    And it’s only day one.

    Jon has a lovely wry sense of humour.
    Gerry has deadpan down pat.
    Hana, what a gorgeous voice you have.
    Nancy, with her lovely smile.
    John McLean speaking with a deep clear voice…

    And Jesse – what a storyteller, what a raconteur.

    Thank you, Jim Beverly, for an amazing gathering.
    It is an honour and a privilege to be in the company of so many courageous kind generous people.

    For once, I am without words.”

    • skiesareblue

      And an honour to have met YOU, Pan. Such a kind person, with eyes (and soul) the colour of the ocean on a clear day. Unforgettable. 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      That was the day we learned that you have a penis.

      …I’ll just put myself in timeout.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        To the ball pit! Good day to you, sir.

      • EmmaDaoust

        mos def

        • EmmaDaoust

          Oh and for the record, I always knew Pan was the man.

          • skiesareblue

            Smartass.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Well, I did. I was surprised when I read that bunkerites thought he was a she. And then after that I looked more closely at his avi – well, there’s your answer 🙂

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not that Pan was ever effeminate, it’s just that it was kind of assumed that Pan was a she, and it surprised most of us. And Pan is exceptionally clever, reasonable and well-spoken, and usually that’s a dominant trait of women. That’s all.

              (I’m so getting laid tonight)

            • ze moo

              Postulate on, J3.

            • Jimmy3

              You shatter all my dreams, ze moo.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
              And I just love your flashy ways
              Guess that’s why they broke
              An’ you gettin’ laid

            • Jimmy3

              It’s not something I ever brag about, but I can rap the first verse of that song off the top of my head. I have it memorized exactly. I spend a lot of time by myself.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Swoon.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Back in my day, we just learned to memorize stuff like “O reason no the need! Our basest beggars are in the poorest thing superfluous..” and “O Canada, our home and native land..” and the periodic table of elements.

      • Vaquera

        It’s getting crowded over here.

    • daisy

      I imagine it was an honor for them to meet you too.

    • Sid

      After all this time I finally looked up Panopea Abrupta. It’s a clam! That is just too funny. (Funny that it’s a clam, not that it took me so long to look it up. Okay, I’ll route myself to Qual for failing to look up a word.)

      • EmmaDaoust

        And not just any clam, but a clam with a generous appendage. blushes.

        • Sid

          Well, you know what they say. If it looks like a Geoduck, and swims like a Geoduck, then it must be a Panopea Abrupta.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Just blew a couple of intercostal muscles. Ouch. You have me in stitches. 🙂

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I did not know that!

  • Steve Bazemore

    I just so happen to have the money to get the entire Confrence. I really need to put it toward a relatively big credit card debt, but in support of a just cause, and what I believe to have been an important gathering, considering it came out of people’s pockets, and of course to satisfy my curiosity in what has been discussed, I think I’m going to go ahead and take advantage of the limited time discount. Just curious if anyone else is buying the whole thing or waiting for the seperate sessions?

    • EmmaDaoust

      I’ll be buying the whole thing, and I’m in the debt boat, too, Steve. I was at the conference, and I can tell you it’s worth every penny.

      • Steve Bazemore

        Indeed. Looks like I may not be getting it, as I’ve tried more than ten times and keep getting an error message

        • EmmaDaoust

          I’m sure that will get corrected before long. cross fingers.

          • Steve Bazemore

            Let’s hope so. I have an old laptop I forgot about, maybe I’ll give it a try on there. Keep me posted do if anything changes if you don’t mind 🙂

            • EmmaDaoust

              For sure. I’m tech useless, but I’m sure once Jon knows about the issues, they’ll sort it out.

  • Steve Bazemore

    Just a heads up, I tried to click the designated link to order the first session only before I decided two order the entire thing, and it’s a dead link.

  • JaxNGold

    That trailer was incredible. Gave me the chills. I cannot wait to see all the episodes of the Getting Clear Conference. Oh, and finally ordering a copy of Miss Lovely today! I’m only about 30 min from Big Blue. Gonna trot on down there with hubby to take some Lovely pics!

  • California

    Perhaps someone has already posted this but……

    https://www.yahoo.com/movies/florida-theater-drops-scientology-film-going-129369204602.html

    They just never seem to learn…..

    • ze moo

      Another media outlet picks up the censorship story. I guess Flag received a new shipment of foot bullets.

      • California

        I just shake my head.

        Tomorrow is the Emmy’s. I have a friend up for an ensemble cast win with American Horror Story and, also, I hope to hear more mention “Going Clear.” What a year this has been!

  • Laura Burton

    Just found out a new Narcanon rehab centre has opened up in Heathfield, East Sussex, England. I know this because I live in Heathfield.

  • Richard

    The purification rundown was my introduction to Scientology.

    I had been advised, in Italy, to go to Tottenham Court Road in London the next time I was in England so as to understand how great Scientology really was.

    So, I went.

    When I got there, I was immediately put on a mailing list and was sold Scientology’s large form booklet about the purification rundown.

    I was told that this was the first real step in Scientology and that it produced miracles.

    I don’t think this booklet exists any more, but to illustrate what it is like, it is full of what I describe as Jehovah Witness style graphics that they use in their Watch Tower magazine. It was a sort of 1950s/1960s way of drawing, with pictures of people suffering and then ultimately smiling and then finally a picture of a happy family all embraced together, with pastures and waterfalls in the background.

    Anyway, I went back to my parent’s house that evening, about an hour from London, and I showed my father the purification booklet.

    My father was a medical doctor, and he looked at the booklet from cover to cover and afterwards said:

    “This is nonsense.”

    Then I said to my father that the Scientologists told me that niacin managaed to flush out drugs and radiation from the boby, and his reply to niacin was this:

    “Cults just love it when they can find a product that causes a physical reaction in someone. You go all red and that proves to them that you are being cured. This is dangerous stuff.”

    God, I wish I had listened to my father that day.

    • Sid

      Ha! Yeah, if I’d listened to my mother who said, “It’s all about money”.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Wow.

    • vicariousthrill

      Wise man, your dad.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Was it the book with these images?

      https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/detoxbookpt2.htm

      (refresh)

      • Richard

        That’s the one!!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Wow. Nice find, Doug.

      • Hubbard never quite grasped the distinction between a radioactive substance and radiation itself. That book claims that ‘radiation’ is ‘stored’ in fat cells (no… honest… it really does) along with ‘drugs’ and environmental pollutants. This is like claiming that they can store light.

        Later on, the book claims that the program can deal with the effects of Agent Orange (an infamously dangerous defoliant used during the Vietnam war).

        It’s scientifically illiterate to the point of incoherence. What’s amazing is not only that the man made it up as he went along, but that so many devoted themselves to turning his ‘theories’ into an adult picture-book without, apparently, being trouble by any of the misconceptions and contradictions.

    • I’m working through all of the Narconon Workbooks in this ongoing series https://scicrit.wordpress.com/narconon-scientology/ and, by coincidence am currently half-way through that one.

      Yes. They were using that same booklet in the 1990’s in Narconon ‘courses’. Their own literature demonstrates that Narconon really is just Scientology in disguise, applied to extremely vulnerable people.

      The ‘purif’ is wrong on so many levels. Manipulating people with drug issues into undertaking is dangerous and deluded.

  • Jeb Burton

    And I thought Scientology was the only ones selling overpriced videos.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I see you’re your usual cheerful self today, Jeb.. You know, it’s almost like you are several people posting under one name.. But that’s ridiculous, I’m sure, cause nobody ever does that here.. But sometimes you’re fairly informative and friendly.. Sometimes you’re obnoxious and I want to smack you.. And sometimes you’re just insulting and trying to get a rise.. But you never disappoint..

      The difference here is these videos are worth it and I imagine the proceeds will be used to defray the costs incurred by Jon and James Beverley in producing this great program with these great people, as well as these videos so the rest of us can see them.. This has been sorely needed and people worked hard for it..

      So I really want to tell you to STFU, but I’m a lady, so I won’t..

      • coonellie

        ^^^^^

    • Scream Nevermore

      At least purchase of these vids is optional, Jeb!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Good point!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Anyone else hear a faint, dull, humming noise…?

      • A bird in the chimney

        I knew something was off about thinking the dishwasher was running without my having started it.

    • Judith Sylvester

      Being intrigued by anyone who is so openly a chiseler, I went to read your profile and found this:

      ” I understand the charisma of LRH, but would you do anything for DM?”

      Wow. You understand the charisma of that ugly, silly, grotesque man? Please explain it.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    On this September 19, 2015, there is no Grand Opening for the Ideal Org of the Church of Scientology in Harlem.

    So… let the celebration begin!

    And in honor of the auspicious occasion, a free image for anyone who wants it:

    • Room 101(Nick Lister)

      Why didnt the grand opening occur?

      • Sid

        From the pictures Beth took this morning it looked like they weren’t anywhere near ready.

        • Kestrel

          I need to be quicker. Unusual for a bird of prey. Maybe I’m getting old.

          • Sid

            C’mon Kestrel. The whole agonizing future of this planet is on the line. Get with it. “Speed of particle flow alone determines power”-LRH. At least you have until this coming Thursday at 2pm to get your stats up. Oh, wait, sorry. I had a little flashback there. I’m gonna get a cup of tea. You take over from here, okay?

            • Kestrel

              I gotcher “particle flow” right here, sparky.

              I get still get flashbacks, on rare occasions. Not from LRH, though, but the first letter is the same.

      • Kestrel

        The interior pictures taken by Beth are down thread. They show a building not ready for occupancy.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Because, today at least, there is a God.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Hopefully, because the staff has been watching your videos and are escaping right and left so there’s no one left to do all the work..

  • Robert Eckert

    For those going to the Parma event on Wednesday, Mark Tiborsky at sponyak@gmail.com wants an RSVP to know you’re coming. His list of attendees is bound to be well short of the people who show up, and the room may be overcrowded.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    And another short Getting Clear repost (because I love Nora’s line):

    “Five raccoons scamper
    On in the dawn light. I smile –
    Off to “Getting Clear.”

    Toronto squirrels
    Are black! Not as dark as the
    black heart of DM.

    In making my report last night, i forgot to quote one of Nora’s (BBJ) more
    piercing tales.
    When asked how $cientology uses celebrity to safepoint politicians,
    she said it was about wining and dining
    and getting the opportunity to meet TC and JT
    and “fight with Kirstie Alley for food.”

    Hey, don’t forget to Red-X.
    More, later :)”

    And Nora’s selfie – photoBOMB 🙂

    • Judith Sylvester

      I never tire of that picture.Chris and Nora, their eyes, the guy on the right who I don’t know, the guy on the left on his cell phone, and Paulette Cooper: “At last!”.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Paul Noble, Paulette’s dear husband, is the guy on the right.

      • vicariousthrill

        Guy on the right is Paulette’s hubby, Paul Noble.

        • Judith Sylvester

          Thanks!!!

  • Steve Bazemore

    HELP… trying to order the whole confrence via PayPal, and I keep getting an error from safari saying too many redirects occoured.. And I’m in my iPad so as far as I know safaris all I can use, and regardless it’s all I have on my iPad, and I don’t have a computer… Guhhh

    • Yeppir

      Hi Steve. I got that notice too. I just tried again and it worked. I did it from my Android phone…. Can you try a different browser?

      • Steve Bazemore

        Hmm… Still getting the same message 🙁

        • Jimmy3

          Try closing every app you have open. Go to Settings –> Safari tab –> Clear History and Website Data.
          Turn your iPad off and turn it back on. See if it works.

    • coonellie

      I’ve had Chrome on my iPad. Finally deleted it as I didn’t need it, but you can have other browsers on the iPad if the Safari option doesn’t work. Seems Yeppir got it going, maybe it was just a glitch.

  • Mark

    Breaking News: Shortarse opts for Non-Grand Opening after all, due to world-wide ribbon famine. (Only way to refresh E. 125th street after Bumbo passes over—buckets, spades, mops—and lots of Lysol):

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m afraid, even zoomed way in, I can’t make out the smallest txt. Compression artifacts I guess.

      • Mark

        Here you are (F5):

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Thank you.

    • Yeppir

      Elephants DO fly. I knew it. Now I’m clear. … Ahem.

      • joan nieman

        Yes and pigs fly also.

    • Sir_Real

      Well, maybe dear little Davey just opted for a “soft” opening of this Org for now.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Excuse me, the new series of Doctor Who is about to start!

    • Frodis73

      What did you think?? I’m waiting for it to show up online. 😀

  • Richard

    I know everybody is dissapointed about the Harlem Ideal Org opening.
    But there is really no need to be.
    I’ve used Scientology PS tech and….. voilà!

    • EmmaDaoust

      Now they don’t have to close the streets.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Are you sure you didn’t get this off Scientology’s PR site?

    • Sid

      That can’t be a Scientology event. None of the bodies in the crowd are missing their heads.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Richard, do you mind if I borrow this picture for a tweet? 🙂

      • Richard

        Go ahead and open hundreds of Ideal Orgs at the same time.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Thank you. I’ll be holding onto it until tomorrow morning (want to make sure they don’t have any opening ceremony at all) then I’ll be using it. 😀

  • madame duran

    I was feeling a little silly/giddy this morning (nothing wrong with having a bit of fun) but now I want to pause for a serious moment:

    I implore everyone to either purchase or rent the video sessions and NOT to make illegal copies. Share the viewing experience, of course, but please respect the time, labour and money that was put into it. The conference has/will become an invaluable help to those who either study cults or were once in one…but the event came at a huge financial price. That is the harsh reality. By buying the DVDs or streaming access (or whatever is being done technically), you are treating the conference like the precious jewel that it is and helping to offset costs. By making illegal copies, you are undermining future incentives or efforts to have more conferences like this from being publicly available (let’s call a spade, a spade: ILLEGAL COPYING = STEALING!!!). Please, please, please, PLEASE respect this audiovisual gift! I attended the conference myself and trust me…it’s worth every single penny. No lie. TRUST!!!

    I should’ve posted this message earlier so that more people could read it. The more upvotes, the better (so it can be seen under todays “Best” posts). Yes, I’m kinda promoting my own post but it’s for a noble cause. Hope you’ll understand. Thanks.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Absolutely, madame duran, the only place the money is going is to pay back Jon Atack et al for their out-of-pocket expense in producing this work.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’ve been out washing the car, composing in my mind the exact same post. I’m glad I scanned the new posts before writing mine. You saved me a lot of effort.

      I’d add that while we ought to not pirate for ethical reasons, accepting a pirated copy could also be some sort of a set-up from OSA. Removes tin foil hat and jumps into the ball pit in the corner. CANNON BALL….LOOK OUT!

  • pixie dust

    I’m having trouble purchasing the conference on Vimeo. I hit submit and it stalls forever – have tried twice.
    I’m using a credit card, not paypal. Needless to say, I don’t know what the hell I’m doing. Can anyone advise?
    I have sent Vimeo an email, but God knows how long that will take.

    • Steve Bazemore

      I’m having trouble too. Someone replied to my post about it and said they had to try a few times, but I’ve tried about ten times and keep getting an error message:(

      • pixie dust

        Sorry to hear you’re also having problems.
        I’ve never used Paypal, so I thought it would be easier to use a credit card direct.
        Very frustrating! Really want to start watching the conference.

        • Steve Bazemore

          Very frustrating indeed. Hopefully those of us that are trying dilligently to purchase it can still use the promo code if we find a way to do so after the promo run

          • pixie dust

            Word.

          • pixie dust

            Steve – wanted to let you know that I was able to purchase the conference!
            Tried first thing this morning and it sailed right through. Hopefully it will for you also.

            • Steve Bazemore

              Hey. Saw ths update I my mail the other day, and I’m happy to say I’ve been so distracted watching the sessions that I haven’t responded. Didn’t want to leave you hanging, so I figured I’d let you know. Thanks for the update 🙂

            • pixie dust

              I’m on the second go round – been glued to the screen!
              It’s fantastic. So glad you got in!

      • Gabbyone

        I have tried PayPal and credit card to no avail also.

        • Steve Bazemore

          Yea. I totally forgot I have a laptop I haven’t used since I obtained my iPad. I even tried it on there and no such luck. So far, one person replied to another post of mine and said it worked after a few tries. Considering so many of us are having problems, that at least gives me hope it will be fixed. Take my money, video!

  • Juicer77

    I’m baaaaaaaack. I was absent from the Bunker for a few days because hubby and I have relocated to England for a couple years. Jet lagged but happy that the pets got here ok also. Settling in nicely. My first Pimm’s during a pub lunch today, with chicken pie and fresh veg. Fabulous! Looking forward to Brit life for a while 🙂 Hoping to meet many of the UK Bunkeroos when I get the chance.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Pub lunch! Great way to start an English life. 😀 As an inveterate tea drinker, I can say I’m slightly envious. Welcome to your new digs!

    • Scream Nevermore

      Well, now you have to get used to talking about the various parts of the UK by their separate names – I take it you’re in England?? 😉

      • Juicer77

        Yes, in Gloucestershire.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Very nice!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Top O’ the Cotswalds to ya. Looks like a nice area. Without getting too specific, was this for Mr. Juicer’s line of work?

          • Juicer77

            I can’t confirm or deny that. How do you know I’m not an exclusive international dog walker of extraordinary status? 😉

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sneaky Juicer is sneaky. If you meet Mark while over there, since he’ll probably have some potted, fermented vegetable product for you, what can you think of that is very, very American to give him?

            • Juicer77

              I have a couple cans of Old Bay seasoning for special friends!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Perfect!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Weenies..

            • Juicer77

              LOL!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Scouting for new Org perhaps?

    • Supper Powers

      Congrats! I presume we will see you on Ladies of London on the Bravo Network next season. 😉

      • Juicer77

        😉

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      A U.S. Bunkerite becomes a U.K. Bunkerite! So happy for you both. If Trump wins can I come live in your spare bedroom?? LOLOL

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        If Trump wins…?!?

        From your mouth to Xenu’s ears.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          😀

        • daisy

          Rabbit is God , Xenu is satan.

      • A bird in the chimney

        I spit on the ground after reading your comment, NGirl. LOL

      • Juicer77

        Yes, of course. Welcome anytime! 😉

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I just want an excuse to take a trip to England. 😀 Hope you and Hubby are enjoying it.

      • Jimmy3

        If Trump wins, my bedroom will be free as well. I’ll be in Canada.

        • daisy

          I am not sure Canada can manage you !

          • Jimmy3
            • daisy

              I see you and Dodo share the same taste in music, Rabbit awful .

            • Jimmy3

              This is one of the best anti-Bush Administration songs ever written. And if one of these assholes gets into power again, we will go to war with Iran and you can tell me how much you like this song then.

              Strike-through makes it apolitical again!

        • EmmaDaoust

          I can help you with the Citizenship exam, and show you all the wonders of free health care.

    • Don’t tell Andrea where you live. She is an Agent of SMERSH.

      • Juicer77

        Noted!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        That bitch will be over there all the time talking your ear off. Did I say that out loud? Whoops!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Yah.. But with that beautiful voice, her talking could never be a bother..

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            This is so true.

        • Juicer77

          You’re forgetting that I’m a champion talker as well 🙂

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            That’s right! You two can sit there for hours and talk at each other then. Perfect. I’m really very jealous and that’s the real reason I’m being a jerk. ;-P

            • Juicer77

              Come visit!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Snort!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’m glad you snorted rather than slap me like Baby would have.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I have 4 brothers, remember? There’s not a lot that can upset me!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Whew. I was worried for a second. And I can’t believe that damn Juicer gets to meet you before I did.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              We came so close, too! Pesky hospitalised teenager 🙂

            • Juicer77

              Would you like us to Skype you in?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        That’s quite literally the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me, Dodo 😀

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Wow, that is amazing news. Enjoy your time there.

      ETA That looks super yummy.

    • Vaquera

      Whew!

    • Jimmy3

      RED COAT!!!

      • Juicer77

        You know I love you Jimmy, but you were smothering me! 😉

        • Jimmy3

          That’s just how I show cause and affection.

          • Yeppir

            I work with peeple like J3. And I love them too.

            • Jimmy3

              Huh?

            • Yeppir

              Nevermind. Not important.

            • Jimmy3

              Said that before I refreshed. Now I realize what you meant. It’s all good. One day soon I’m gonna shut up, don’t worry,

            • sugarplumfairy

              You better not.. the fairy will hunt you down..

            • Yeppir

              You make me laugh every day, so please know I am just messing with you. Wish I had your wit.

              Love, Mom

            • Jimmy3

              Hah. Love you, Ma

    • sugarplumfairy

      Wow, Juicer! That’s huge..hope all is well and I wish you a wonderful experience.. Our loss is England’s gain, but with the internet, hopefully you won’t give use another chance to miss you!

      • Juicer77

        I would have been on the Bunker at 40,000 feet like Vaquera, but 1) exhaustion and 2) too cheap to pay for wifi. LOL!

    • beauty for ashes

      Wow wow wow!!! Good for you. What an adventure!!!!!!!

    • Frodis73

      Wow Juicer, that is so cool. I’m also very jealous and wish I could move in with ya!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I can’t wait to meet you. So happy you landed safely 🙂

      • Oh hi, I was just saying how cool it is that you two can now visit each other!

        • Juicer77

          If you feel the ground rumbling, it means two forces of nature have joined forces!

        • Mockingbird

          OSA hates Bunkeroos getting together. And you can support each other. Good friends are one of the most important parts of life. I suggest savoring any opportunities to make and keep them.

      • Mockingbird

        Show your famed friendliness !

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Ahh, you bet 🙂

      • daisy

        I just got hit with a big old karma stick. I laughed at your flood and had one of my own today. I wish Karma worked so quickly with scientology

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Nooooooooo! What an absolute pain! Are you ok? Did your lights go out? Or is that just reserved for 150-year old wiring? 😀

          • daisy

            I am fine, it was a pain but I deserved it Lights stayed on. I am so glad you are going to have a bunker mate for a neighbour. A witty sweet one too.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              You did not deserve it! Karma’s a bitch; I pay her no heed.

              Juicer’s actually on the other side of the country to me, we couldn’t be much further apart, but plans are already afoot to meet up fairly soon 🙂

            • Juicer77

              Glad you are ok!

    • Yeppir

      I am a little jelly. …. Raspberry I think.

      • Juicer77

        My favorite!!

    • Mockingbird

      Congratulations, enjoy your drink !

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Whoa, big move, J, but what a great experience! Glad you and the pets made it there safely. Looking f/w to hearing about your adventures. Till then, enjoy your Pimm’s at the pub…

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh wow, what fun!

  • Mockingbird

    Good day Bunkeroos !

    I cannot wait to get the entire conference , hopefully on DVD so I can watch it over and over.

    The information is historic and invaluable in my opinion.

    I have a new medium length post up today at Mockingbird’s Nest.

    Pulling Back The Curtain part 2- Deception by Distraction

    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/09/pulling-back-curtain-part-2-deception.html

  • Cars

    This is a very recent interview with Alex Gibney. It’s the short version (6:54min) of a much longer interview (which I’ll also post below).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG9-cQowdfc&feature=youtu.be

    • Cars

      For folks who want to listen to the full version (41 mins):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1tQYj0YLlo

      • beauty for ashes

        This is soo good Cars. Thanks. And Ben Mankewicz too? I just clicked the little clock icon on the bottom right corner, which will save it to my YouTube account. (for all y’all who are technically challenged like me 🙂 )

      • Thanks Cars.

  • did another one of these…

    pic

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Hey twitter folks, send this to the man, OK?

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Saturday, 19 September 2015.

    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,

    Monday 14th : NO Score.
    Tuesday 15th: Sacramento & Boston scraped in and saved he day.
    Wednesday 16th Boston and SFBay scored a couple of hits.
    Thursday 17th: Sacramento leads SfBay & Buffalo (Hello Buffalo).
    Friday 18th: NO score.

    An usual ads posting pattern this week. Overload on Wednesday ahead of statsday (normal), but overload on Thursday after 2pm! And very little posting on Friday!
    And now we know that they were NOT flying to NY for the idle morg opening unless they are there to make it go right!

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Imagination by Archann enhanced by Sookiesookie for RedX, and flickred by Aeger
    Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16748176442/in/set-72157642802079293

  • outraged

    Yes!! Backfired on them like everything will eventually.

    http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2015/09/19/not-today-thetans/

    Love the opening photo………:

  • beauty for ashes

    WOW! Amazing production values on the Toronto Conference. Looks amazing. Soooo exciting and yet sooo expensive. Shit!

    • Jimmy3

      In the biz, we just call it pro-val. But I think I’m in a different biz.

      • beauty for ashes

        Jimmy bid-ness? lol. I know a girl named Val.

    • MaxSpaceman

      28 sessions @ $4.00 per is reasonable.

      Just buy the sessions you really really want. See Vaguera’s list hours ago; it’s got a suggested viewing list that’s swell.

      • beauty for ashes

        Let me clarify, It is not overpriced. And thanks for the suggestion. You’re swell 🙂

      • Cheaper than auditing!

      • Yeppir

        NO NO NO! You must save your money to go up the bridge. SRSLY. … ok I’ve got nothing after that… And neither should the clams.

      • beauty for ashes

        Found it!! Just gonna drop this here for ease of reference. f5

  • aurora50

    ‘In fact, if there’s one thing that might lead bring down this vast but little-known evil empire, which has combined two American traditions – the end-times religious cult and the organized crime family – in unique and sinister fashion, it is more likely to be the repeated violations of child labor laws then the cascade of rape and abuse charges.’

    Dogged effort over years by one man investigating is shining the light of truth on Warren Jeffs, finally.
    …sounds familiar!

    http://www.salon.com/2015/09/19/americas_little_known_isis_the_fundamentalist_mormon_sect_that_blends_polygamy_child_rape_and_organized_crime/

  • John McGhee

    Looking forward to sitting down to these (y)

    • Juicer77

      (Squee!! I’m 3,000 miles closer to that velvety accent! 🙂

      • John McGhee

        Lol, Juicer

  • Juicer77

    Okay… so rugby is the sport where the guys all huddle-hug and pat each other on the back?

    • EmmaDaoust

      Send in the face-palm brigade, boys.

      • Juicer77

        I have a lot to learn. 🙂 I asked someone today what football team I should root for and he said, “American NFL?”
        *facepalm*
        He finally admitted, Manchester. What’s your vote?

        • EmmaDaoust

          I was teasin’ because I’m even more clueless than you, Juicer, bein’ Canadian. All I know is NFL and CFL play by different rules. And then there’s yer footy. I do know Man U is the team.

    • Yeah, kind of like UFC and football combined, but with no helmets.

  • nottrue

    Ha Ha….

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yay!

    • Juicer77

      (f5)

  • salin

    Doing some Mappin watching and stumbled upon this item from a blogger who has recently been to the castle.
    http://www.philosophyforlife.org/camelot-castle/

    Apparently they are now offering “consulting services” – the are available to solve local and international conflicts… among other familiar sounding services.

    It’s a hilarious write up – including – there is a box for visitors to write a letter to Merlin, which asks visitors to leave their address – presumably so Merlin can send them Scientology magic mailings.

    • daisy

      I am sorry that people have not got their moneys worth, but the entertainment value of them writing about their experiences is priceless. I can not wait for the next chapter of Mappin Castle comedy.

      • salin

        Very well said.

    • ThePanopticon

      I went down the Mappin rabbit hole last night after the Bunker post. I had no idea. It’s all really hilarious in a way. The comments on Trip Adviser are very funny.

      • salin

        I agree with Daisy just below.

        On the one hand – if I read these as having been stuck there with no idea of what was coming – horrifying (in the “get me outta here” way); on the other hand – it’s so bizarre and hilarious – it’s almost compelling to look for more and share.

  • Helen Van Patterson Patton

    If you go directly to the Going Clear vimeo link ( https://vimeo.com/ondemand/gettingclear/138554844 ) , you can see whose segments are whose, as well as a free 3 and a half minute vid from Nancy Many.

    eta: oopsy. Didn’t mean to post the entire thing. Scroll down on the list to see Nancy’s vid.

  • Miss Tia

    5:40pm 9/19/15 I completed a project I started August 1st. Just had to announce it somewhere. Yes, y’all will see it in a few days—-unless you’ve seen it in progress then i’ll send you a pix today or tomorrow. 🙂

    • salin

      Congratulations!

      • Miss Tia

        thanks!

  • Edward Clarke

    C’mon guys… This is so hilariously overpriced it almost feels like an April Fool. It’s like ‘the congresses’ only cheaper. But for what it is, still way overpriced. Is this for ex-Scientologists so used to being shafted you think this sort of thing would float on by? Have we learned nothing?

    ‘We are amazed and thrilled…’ Followed by ‘Now released to the world…’ I’m not sure how a video which costs 120 bucks can describe itself as ‘now released to the world’. Especially as it ISNT. Aside from being overpriced, it is a) not even bloody released yet, and is being sold at ridiculous rates as a ‘rental’.

    This is a shameful episode guys.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Everyone can decide for themselves if they want to buy it; if it’s worth it to them to purchase. No one has to in order to attain or achieve anything! How free and self-directed can you get?

      • salin

        Let alone being required to order 3 copies at full price.

        • A bird in the chimney

          And then try to sell even more copies to family and friends. Then, if people do opt to buy it, they’ll get something brand new, as described on the tin, with useful content.

          • salin

            And then asked to buy yet another set as part of the conditions for some overt.

            • A bird in the chimney

              And then told everyone needs to buy the same thing, repackaged, because semicolon.

            • salin

              And then everyone will be pushed to buy sets for the Library project.

    • nottrue

      That is chump change you cheapskate

    • salin

      Interesting comparison of non-comparable items.

      • A bird in the chimney

        Yes. False equivalence is false.

    • Here’s an idea – don’t buy it.

      • Jimmy3

        Clerk: Will this be all today, sir?

        Ed: I DONG WANT TO BUY ANY OF THESE PRODUCTS

        Clerk: I’m sorry… But did you just say ‘Dong’?

        Ed: That was originally a typo that was just kinda worked into the joke.

        Clerk: Oh… Alright. Well, can I bag this up for you and have someone put it back on the shelves for you…?

        Ed: That would be great. Thank you.

        Clerk: okay… Your total is $00.00. Would you like a receipt?

        Ed: Yes. Yes I would. Thank you so much.

        *prints out receipt. Ed leaves*

      • Observer

        Not sure if clueless or troll …

        • Little bit of both?

        • Robert Eckert

          Profile first came up blank. On a new thread it came up with this as the one and only comment. I’m surprised he hasn’t deleted yet.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Nice. Try. Fail! Go redo your TR’s, OK?

    • Supper Powers

      Do you need to borrow a few bucks?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I bet your masters will let you buy a copy, then send you back next week with a new username to try to entice us to download a pirated copy.

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      Going clear in scientology– $183,197.00

      Going Clear video– $120.00

      Edward Clarke’s laughable “attack”–priceless.

      • It’s “Getting Clear”, not “Going Clear”. Great points.

        • Helen Van Patterson Patton

          Doh! Thanks for that. edited.

    • Mindphucker

      Next your going to tell us it’s shameful to be making money off of the back of a cult, right? Simple solution, don’t buy it, your not being regged. No one is going to declare you for not purchasing three sets of the whole collection. Move along and try and have the nerve to use your usual account to post rather than setting up a new one.

    • SarahDB

      I disagree, I just spent $190 on ONE textbook for school.

      • I think $240 was the most I spent once on one of those. Highway robbery.

      • Miss Tia

        Textbooks are, like Dodo says, total highway robbery. Schools sign contracts with the book sellers so even if the professor has a clue and doesn’t want to burden students with those expenses they are FORCED to use the most recent edition, that basically in most instances, has just corrected commas. Ridiculous. Most expensive text book I had was $300 something.

        • Robert Eckert

          It doesn’t just have corrected commas; they’ve also removed the semicolons!

        • Eileen

          The college bookstore will only stock the latest edition, but students can usually rent it from Amazon for about $20.

          • Miss Tia

            the renting of books is a whole new thing…..i know when i went back to finish my BA in 2009, i got some of my books from the library and other ohio libraries….i dunno how i’d feel about paying to rent a text book…..

        • Madison KinSmed

          Former college textbook rep here – few colleges sign contracts with publishers for textbooks. Professors or committees select the textbook they think is most appropriate for the course.

          So, why are textbooks so expensive? Because professors, instructors, and all the teaching assistants get free copies of the textbook to teach out of; computerized test banks with thousands of test questions and automatic grading; gigantic Instructors’ Manual with lecture outlines, bibliographies, suggested activities, discussion topics, and extensive listings of Web resources; textbook specific web sites designed to support the instructors with PowerPoint slides shows, videos, animations, etc., and other resources to make teaching easy.

          No professor or instructor pays for any of this and these materials are created by other Professors who are paid a flat fee. The cost of producing these materials is factored into the cost of producing the textbook and passed along to students in the price of the book.

          Additionally, professors/instructors are sent review copies free of charge. Most professors then sell these review copies to the used book companies. We’re talking about thousands of copies of “complimentary review copies”. College bookstores purchase these review copies and sell them as used books. The publishers must make their investment in the textbook and professor’s teaching resources back from the sale of new books. They get nothing from the sale of used copies.

          And, the textbook market has undergone unbelievable consolidation in the past 20 years. There are now really only three major textbook publishing houses and they are listed on the stock market. So, in addition to typical salaries, royalties, etc, they have to make big profits for their stockholders.

          Several dot com’s have tried to disrupt traditional textbook publishing with Web based books and e-books but it turns out that the majority of college students prefer real books.

          Textbook rental is a great thing although it also contributes to higher textbook prices. The whole thing is a huge mess and something needs to change. Oh, and btw, most college bookstores make a 30% profit on the sale of textbooks so the entire higher cost issue isn’t just the publishers fault.

          I’ve been out of the industry for a long time now – moved into e-learning in the late 1990s. I agree that textbook prices are too high. I think all books are too expensive. It’s crazy. Don’t know what the solution will be but my daughter will be renting her textbooks if prices are still this outrageous when she goes to college.

          • Miss Tia

            In some of my upper undergraduate classes the professors didn’t have any say about what texts they were to use. They didn’t want to use some of the books and flat out said it was a racket. One professor said “Don’t buy the books on the list.” Now these were history courses. I am sure math, science, etc it’s different with text books—they are more necessary. And I went to Kent State, students—and professors—are known to go against ‘the system’.

    • Yeppir

      That $120 will be the best one twenty you’ve ever spent, Edward. And welcome, BTW. Glad to see you.

    • Miss Tia

      There’s hours of video there. They also spent a lot of money putting the conference on. They aren’t trying to get rich or rip people off. Now admittedly it’s out of my price range, but most things are—but I think it’s reasonably priced for what you are getting and at a price that most people could afford.

      I’m sorry you are here posting comments like this and it perhaps isn’t of your own volition.

    • pluvo

      But Edward, that’s really nothing. Wait till you can be Patron Meritorius, Patron Victimus etc.

      http://tonyortega.org/2014/03/17/here-are-the-wealthy-people-keeping-scientology-alive/

    • skiesareblue

      Usual price for a DVD is $20. That’s for a 2 hour video.
      Getting Clear is about 8 hours/day x 5 days = is that 40 hours?
      That would be $800.00

      Seems to me that the Conference Video is a pretty good deal.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The price for the DVD has not been announced. If this is the best you’ve got, I suggest giving up.

    • Edward Clarke

      Let me confirm a few things… I find Scientology fascinating, but I’m not an ex-Scientologist, nor have I done so much as a ‘personality test’. I don’t have an axe to grind with any of the people fighting the good fight.

      BUT… There’s a bit of hypocrisy going on with this video release, the marketing of it, and the defending of it here. Stop right now with the ‘you don’t have to buy it’ defence. If you consider the mere existence of personal choice in a transaction somehow validating the offer itself, then if you think this through for two whole minutes, you will realise you can have no beef with how Scientology is run. None whatsoever.

      Crap selling techniques. Look at the write up they gave themselves. Does it sound OTT? (That’s Over The Top, nothing to do with those pesky thetans). Is it factually wrong? Yes, on both counts. Who describes their own product with the word ‘amazed’? I can only think of one example, Scientologists. And the product has not remotely been released to the world, has it? In a short while, a tiny bit of it *will be made available, rental only, at a high price*. Then there’s all the discounts, and early bird specials as desperate enticements (is there *any* justification for changing the price at a set point in time for a product that isn’t being sold as manufactured?) No.

      In the current climate – no one pays $20 for a DVD these days, and box sets are highly discounted – this is extortionately priced. And you get nothing physical either, nor do you get to *keep* the non-physical product.

      If you insist on defending this – by all means – ask yourself first, is this a Scientology defence? Are you saying you don’t have to buy, or comparing it like for like to a different physical product sold as a single unit in a non rental basis?

      This just feels like pure Scientology to me. Waaaay overpriced, self praising through the roof, factually inaccurate, over-cooked sales ploys and best of all… a year from now you will have NOTHING to show for it.

      And as such, I think this is a very bad moment for the anti-Scientology movement.

  • SarahDB

    I just got a message saying “Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by the Underground Bunker.”

    huh?

    • SarahDB

      Tried replying to Edward Clarke below and this message popped up above the message I typrd, it’s still there as well!?

      • salin

        (Serious, now) I don’t see a reply from you to Edward Clarke. Strange message.

        • SarahDB

          I tried posting it twice, they are both there on my screen with that message.

          • SarahDB

            Now they have disappeared

            • Refresh/Restart. Try again.

            • SarahDB

              Just tried again and it worked

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        If our “visitor” has deleted his/her comment you’ll get that message when you try to reply. If that’s not it, it could just be Disqus acting wonky. It does that sometimes. 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        Edward Clarke is one of the spoof profiles that sometimes show up with peculiar effects on Disqus.

    • salin

      A subcommittee of commenters at the Underground have taken control of the comm – I think Jimmy is holding some kind of remote control hostage until more folks join fantasy football before all comm will be released and back to the normal free for all. How did you get through – I think you may have just found the technology that will Save Mankind! ; )

      • SarahDB

        I just started a new thread, instead of replying to Edward Clarke’s thread. Wierd.

  • Harlem Idle Org failed to open. Again.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=TdeZ-u-G7PQ

  • ThePanopticon

    I can’t pay for it. I get an error message saying it’s redirecting in an impossible that will never work or something. Anyone else getting that?

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      Someone was getting that earlier. I think they Refreshed/Restarted and it worked.

  • Sibs

    I’ve been out and I need to leave again soon (show I’m lighting starts in a few minutes), but have you guys already seen the news on THR about a theatre in Clearwater being pressured into not playing Going Clear? That cult really is like a mafia.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Have a good night Sibs. 🙂

    • This foot nuke we will hear about again and again.

    • Jimmy3

      Good luck tonight, Sibs. Break a light. Errr

      • Sibs

        Bwahahahaha! I’ll try not to, the playwright is here tonight.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That’s so cool Sibs. I had no idea you did stage production.

    • Frodis73

      No way, I had no idea you were in theater. Are you an actual lighting designer? That was my major in college…I wanted to do rock concerts more than theater, but it’s the same stuff. Would love to talk off line someday about it.