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	Comments on: Jon Atack: The mystery of mysteries that all Scientologists chase &#8212; and can never find	</title>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2015 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1119889&quot;&gt;because I said so&lt;/a&gt;.

To add to Douglas and Susan&#039;s points, it&#039;s worth noting that this is a single comment thread out of...how many hundred since Tony started the site?

If you&#039;re a regular, you do The Bunker no favors by this misrepresentation of the reality.



If you&#039;re OSA, FLUNK!


...as usual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1119889">because I said so</a>.</p>
<p>To add to Douglas and Susan&#8217;s points, it&#8217;s worth noting that this is a single comment thread out of&#8230;how many hundred since Tony started the site?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a regular, you do The Bunker no favors by this misrepresentation of the reality.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re OSA, FLUNK!</p>
<p>&#8230;as usual.</p>
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		By: Susan_Qbird_Poche		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan_Qbird_Poche]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121983&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

There is also the &#039;collapse thread&#039; option which also easily eliminates having to read about, say, panties, or any other Off Topic chit-chat.  As always, it is your own personal choice as to what you want to read or not.  Fairly simple really.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121983">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>There is also the &#8216;collapse thread&#8217; option which also easily eliminates having to read about, say, panties, or any other Off Topic chit-chat.  As always, it is your own personal choice as to what you want to read or not.  Fairly simple really.</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1119889&quot;&gt;because I said so&lt;/a&gt;.

How kind of you to come here, drop a comment, and leave without tidying up after yourself.


What happens in the comment section of this site is what happens in any active, vibrant, on-line community. People will hash over the subject at hand, introduce related topics, and then (perhaps) engage in some other back-and-forth. There certainly are trolls who come here (usually after the thread has settled down) and try and leave a steaming pile or two intended to leave the impression that the whole place is just too, too distasteful. These comments are usually very awkwardly placed and easily identified as an attempt to leave a negative impression of the whole enterprise.


Skillful users of Disqus know that the way to avoid extraneous chatter and get right to the &quot;meat&quot; of the discussion is to choose the &quot;Best&quot; setting and refresh. That way the most salient comments rise to the top, and anything that needs to be flushed away sinks to the bottom.


Hope this helps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1119889">because I said so</a>.</p>
<p>How kind of you to come here, drop a comment, and leave without tidying up after yourself.</p>
<p>What happens in the comment section of this site is what happens in any active, vibrant, on-line community. People will hash over the subject at hand, introduce related topics, and then (perhaps) engage in some other back-and-forth. There certainly are trolls who come here (usually after the thread has settled down) and try and leave a steaming pile or two intended to leave the impression that the whole place is just too, too distasteful. These comments are usually very awkwardly placed and easily identified as an attempt to leave a negative impression of the whole enterprise.</p>
<p>Skillful users of Disqus know that the way to avoid extraneous chatter and get right to the &#8220;meat&#8221; of the discussion is to choose the &#8220;Best&#8221; setting and refresh. That way the most salient comments rise to the top, and anything that needs to be flushed away sinks to the bottom.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 13:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121777&quot;&gt;Mark Foster&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s a very good choice. Hubbard realized hypnosis alone can wear off, but language lasts and by merely thinking it it can act as a trigger. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121777">Mark Foster</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a very good choice. Hubbard realized hypnosis alone can wear off, but language lasts and by merely thinking it it can act as a trigger. </p>
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		By: Mark Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121761&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Funny, I did that(dropped the loaded language) soon after I left staff. Later, I read Atack and Lerma and Armstrong and you and many others who made this point. I was happy to find out that an intuitive choice proved to be a valid and necessary one...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121761">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Funny, I did that(dropped the loaded language) soon after I left staff. Later, I read Atack and Lerma and Armstrong and you and many others who made this point. I was happy to find out that an intuitive choice proved to be a valid and necessary one&#8230;</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121691&quot;&gt;Mark Foster&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks.  I obviously have already written about twenty posts on hypnosis and an equal number on influence. At some point to learn about hypnosis I strongly recommend books like Trances People Live and Hypnotism Comes of Age.  The absolute best advice I know of is to absolutely stop using the language Hubbard used. If the terms and phrases are entirely abandoned that can help recovery. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121691">Mark Foster</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks.  I obviously have already written about twenty posts on hypnosis and an equal number on influence. At some point to learn about hypnosis I strongly recommend books like Trances People Live and Hypnotism Comes of Age.  The absolute best advice I know of is to absolutely stop using the language Hubbard used. If the terms and phrases are entirely abandoned that can help recovery. </p>
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		By: Mark Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121628&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly what you are writing about interests me.  The stuff about the harmful effects of shitology´s covert hypnosis-and recovery from said-also interests me...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121628">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly what you are writing about interests me.  The stuff about the harmful effects of shitology´s covert hypnosis-and recovery from said-also interests me&#8230;</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121618&quot;&gt;Mark Foster&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks , I just finished a long post on Cults In Our Midst, and am writing one on a potential source Hubbard plagiarized - The Crowd by Gustave Le Bon.  Hopefully these longer posts will be of use. I plan on writing more posts on books, but am interested in learning what topics hold interest for you. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1121618">Mark Foster</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks , I just finished a long post on Cults In Our Midst, and am writing one on a potential source Hubbard plagiarized &#8211; The Crowd by Gustave Le Bon.  Hopefully these longer posts will be of use. I plan on writing more posts on books, but am interested in learning what topics hold interest for you. </p>
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		By: Mark Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2015 08:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1120867&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I have found it IMMENSELY helpful!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1120867">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I have found it IMMENSELY helpful!</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1120764&quot;&gt;Mark Foster&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the compliment. It&#039;s  not always a pleasant task, but when I hear of people benefiting from my work, if even a little, I feel the time and effort are worth it. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/09/05/jon-atack-the-mystery-of-mysteries-that-all-scientologists-chase-and-can-never-find/comment-page-2/#comment-1120764">Mark Foster</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the compliment. It&#8217;s  not always a pleasant task, but when I hear of people benefiting from my work, if even a little, I feel the time and effort are worth it. </p>
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