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It’s a video extravaganza as three former members tell us about life inside Scientology

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It’s a video extravaganza today as we received new recordings from three of our regular contributors. What they have in common is that they’re interested in a young person’s journey in Scientology.

Chris Shelton interviews Robyn Capella about what it was like to be pulled into Scientology by her parents when she was just a teenager. Nora Crest dives into part two of her rumination on the bizarre sex rules faced by Scientologists — and she makes a special appeal to Laura Prepon about her involvement in the church. And Aaron Smith-Levin talks about the end of his Scientology career, when he tried to leave amicably, but found that Scientology is best at making enemies.

We’ll start with Nora, who kicked off her video series last time with a look at some of the strange restrictions on sex that Sea Org members have to observe. Now, she follows that up by looking at L. Ron Hubbard’s strange policy bulletin, “Pain and Sex.”

And, noting Scientology’s homophobic history, she puts actress Laura Prepon on the spot regarding her role on Orange is the New Black.

 

 
Aaron Smith-Levin has another video for us relating an anecdote from growing up in Scientology. He explains this time about the kind of bargaining he attempted to do when he was faced with leaving the organization not long ago.

Aaron explains that he tried to find a way to leave Scientology that was less disruptive to his life but also less damaging for Scientology. He laid out a plan that he thought would be beneficial to both sides. But Scientology doesn’t think that way, as we’ve seen in so many other cases.

The story Aaron tells today reminds us of the story of Sylvia DeWall. Like Aaron, she tried to reason with a Scientology ethics officer who was presenting her with a situation that could rip apart her family.

“This week’s story shows how far Scientology will go to turn a former member who just wants to get on with his life into an actual enemy. The ‘with us or against us’ mentality is a core principle in Scientology,” Aaron tells us. “Even in instances where it would clearly create less problems for Scientology to simply let a former member be, the church has shown that it is almost completely incapable of doing so. This story is a classic example of how Scientology would rather try and ruin someone’s life and break apart a family than allow a former member to simply part amicably. Scientology’s insistence that someone is either 100 percent on board or 100 percent an enemy should be a huge warning to anyone who might have a family member starting to dabble in Scientology. Eventually, that family member will cross the event horizon where they are no longer allowed to simply walk away.”

 

 
And here’s what Chris Shelton sent us about his video…

I’ve been talking about Scientology for almost 2 years now and while there are still many aspects of it for me to cover, I wanted to branch out and start interviewing other people who were involved with Scientology and other destructive cults. Robyn Capella is a former Sea Org member who worked at many levels, including as a management representative and a Director of Special Affairs at a local Scientology org. Rarely do we get behind-the-scenes views on what the day-to-day is like for those who work at OSA’s lower levels, and I was intrigued when Robyn started telling me about her experiences.

Robyn and I were in the Sea Organization in Los Angeles during overlapping times (in the mid-to-late 90s) and I actually met and worked with her when I was in West US management. At the time, she worked in the Los Angeles organization as a management representative (called a Flag Rep). This was shortly before she got pregnant and ended up going up to Mountain View as the Director of Special Affairs. Robyn was always one of the “good guys” and wasn’t into yelling and screaming and tormenting her fellow staff members. At the same time, she was a True Believer and didn’t shirk from following some pretty crazy orders from her seniors.

Robyn was in for 19 years and we have a lot of ground to cover. In this first video, we cover how she got into Scientology and soon after got recruited into the Sea Org and went into their version of boot camp, called the EPF (Estates Project Force).

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

The mission in Chelyabinsk, Russia, shows off its many strong dissemination initiatives (actually, they’re just older images from France and Switzerland, but those Russians are ambitious!)…

 
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Oh look — two Scientology front groups joining forces, Applied Scholastics and Youth for Human Rights, and for the benefit of Africa…

 
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Oh, and hey, there’s a new Scientology front group in town — We Rock for Human Rights!

 
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Anyone want to nanny for the Cardones? Got your TRs in?

 
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Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Sept 15: Phoenix, Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus, Walter Cronkite Theater, 5:30 pm

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis, sponsored by Minnesota Atheists — venue TBD

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 3, 2015 at 07:00

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X
    Good morning, all
    I can’t believe we are through (almost:) the first week of school.
    He is LOVING it – yeah!

    Meanwhile, back in the Co$ world of faith misplaced
    and good intentions betrayed ….
    When Co$ frustrates, saddens or angers you,
    there is something YOU can do, regardless of location or time of day.
    Red-X flagging is therapeutic.
    We take down $cientology lies
    Flag them (Red-X) and/or complain to CL -it’s easy to do.
    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Tick Tock, Dave – don’t look behind you –
    there might be something gaining on you 🙂

  • Aaron Smith-Levin

    Morning everyone! Wow, three videos this morning! Nora, Chris and I were all in the SO in Los Angeles at the same time. I’ve known Chris for 13 years now and Nora for over 20 (shit, we are getting old to be able to say that!).

    Looks like I’ve finally ironed out the various A/V bugs; this mornings video is the best quality of my videos so far, so that’s nice. This morning’s story is also one of the stories I’ve enjoyed telling the most so far as it’s very personal to me. I hope people who are in or on the fence or starting to dabble will stumble upon it and find it helpful in some way.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Bunker Kitteh says you rock Aaron. (F5) 🙂

      • Aaron Smith-Levin

        So funny!

      • aquaclara

        Oh, this is cool. My puppy dog would look just like that, except that he’s tired, would like a cookie first before posing on command, and also has a decided preference for pillows.

        Who said cats were high maintenance?
        😉

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          LOL My dogs have to have blankets to sleep under, they are spoiled rotten to the core. 😀

          • aquaclara

            Aaawwww, I am sure they deserve it!

    • anoni81b4u

      Good Video.interesting

      • Aaron Smith-Levin

        Hilarious!

    • Can you believe it’s been 20 fraking years??? Holy hell man. Don’t forget we got sucked into the vortex when we were still babies! You video rocks! And I think this particular post is going to cause a tidal wave at pack. There may have been an earthquake there this morning from all the people freaking out over our awesomeness.

      • Aaron Smith-Levin

        Thanks Nora! Yup, I completely agree. I laughed out loud so many times during your video.

      • daisy

        Tory is going to have to move over , I have another girl crush on you.

      • arcinva

        Fracking. A fellow BSG fan. I knew I liked you. 😀

    • Mary

      Thanks Aaron. Our stories are so similar; I too tried to bargain to no avail. Except I lost my son.
      Creating its own enemies is why the church of david miscavige is no longer declaring unless it becomes blatantly obvious. I know several who have quietly disappeared and just keep quiet and the church knows they are disgruntled, have called them in; they’ve refused. End of story.
      Keep posting Aaron. You’re doing a great job in a very articulate way.

      • Aaron Smith-Levin

        Thanks Mary! I saw your son at the gym yesterday. One of these days I’ll approach him, take a selfie, and say “You have awesome parents, you should call them.”

    • pluvo

      Love your videos, Aaron. Thank you! Looking forward for the next ones.

      “How Scientology Goes Out of its Way to Make Enemies”. Oh yes, again and again and again … The
      only “unprecedented” expansion the CoS has, is in making enemies.

      They are caught in a catch-22 with the disconnections. I think – next to the Internet – that in the end the disconnections will be their demise because they make not only enemies but formidable enemies who are fighting back with speaking out, making videos, creating blogs, writing articles, telling story after story, dissecting the ‘tech’ and exposing what’s going on behind the shiny facade.

      They can’t ease up as then the communication about the abuses and scam would get out faster, but at the other side if they keep going, there are more and more ex-members (there are already more ex-members than members, AFAIK – the tipping-point was reached) who don’t just take the abuse and the destroying of their family ties and the interpersonal relationships. What the CoS has left is money, threats and lies, lots of hyperbole and hypocrisy and the ludicrous denials by their ridiculous “spokesperson”.

    • aquaclara

      Still watching… Day got ahead of me. I’m applauding all of you for escaping and telling it like it is. Great work.

    • MotherOfDragons

      Thank you to Aaron, Chris, & Nora for these informative videos, and to Tony Ortega for this website. Very grateful today for all of the brave people who stand up and expose the ridiculous, deluded and sometimes even funny…and unfortunately often dark, dangerous and criminal side of Scientology. Thank you for being a voice for those who haven’t found their own yet …in the aftermath of dealing with the destructive and criminal actions of the OSA & Scientology’s hidden ‘Security Force’ criminal goon squad and the depraved real criminals they pay off to participate in Fair Game tactics against the ‘enemies’ they create and declare are ‘SP’s…( this includes the brainwashed Scientologists who have willingly crossed all human rights boundaries, and ethics to also participate in Fair Gaming and think its their inherent rightful duty to commit crimes against, and try to destroy other human lives simply because some idiot decides that individual is an ‘SP’.

      Aaron, you are so right about how they will even insist on making enemies of very good and fine people who were never enemies at all…and never would’ve been. And they don’t only do this to ex-Scientologist but to those who were never Scientologists who they are afraid might get in the way of their agenda or find them out and expose them. Im sure there are some harrowing & heartbreaking stories not yet told…among many of those who feel silenced who read this and other websites.

  • jane456

    If Scientology was not a “religion”, which it is only based on the IRS designation, it would be basically gay conversion therapy. Gay conversion therapy is unlawful in the state of California. All, I’m sayin.

    Some reporter out there needs to get some balls and ask these ass hat celebrities why they financially and otherwise support gay conversion therapy. Put them on record. All of them. Ask them why they want to get rid of gay people. Of course they will lie but a good reporter can read something and ask; do you agree with this?

    It is valid. You can ask a catholic if they agree with everything that the church says. You can ask just about anyone form any religion and they will usually or often answer. It is not disrespectful. It is valid.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “…it would be basically gay conversion therapy, even more unsuccessful and crazy than all the other unsuccessful and crazy gay conversion therapies…”

      ..perhaps?

      • jane456

        Gay conversion is pointless, cruel and evil. They (sci celebs) should be on the record as active supporters of one of the most evil gay conversion therapies around.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oh, I agree.

          I was just trying to point out that the Scientology version would be even more ridiculous and useless…than other versions.

          • jane456

            Point taken. It just boggles my noggin that people lather up these people when they are participating in and promoting something so cruel.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Here is the Pain and Sex HCOB from Aug. 26, 1982 that Nora speaks about:

    http://www.matrixfiles.com/Scientology%20Materials/HCOPL%20BPL/HCOB-822608.html

    Twisted and nasty piece of work was Ole Laffy Liverlips.

    • Mockingbird

      I remember this horrible anti family garbage. He had tons of stuff like this.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “Coming up next on KCET-TV, The Horrible Anti-Family Garbage Hour!

        We’re here for you…aaaaaallllll night.

        Sci-ennnn-tol-ogyyyyy; We’re A Monster Factoryyyyyyy!

        (apologies to Observer)

      • daisy

        I know you are fine, I have Mothering issues.

    • Fink Jonas

      All the hate spewing for psychs in just this one page is amazing, they are blamed for everything that is wrong in this world… shizas give them a brake, is a clear invitation to hate the competition.
      Hubbard clearly hated people, who in the right mind will oppose procreation.
      Thanks Pano, for posting it I had not seen it in a long time, last time I read it my mind was still scientology- foggy.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Did you see where ” “Freedom” “Magazine” ” partially blamed 9/11 on them?

        If they were even half as insidious and powerful as Scientology would have you believe, they would have wiped out Scientology when it was still Dianetics.

        That dog don’t hunt.

    • Draco

      Old Liverlips clearly wasn’t getting any, so he made it nasty for anyone else to get any.

    • califa007

      Had to up-vote you for Liverlips! Best one word description yet!

  • SarahDB

    Nora, I LOVE your sense of humor! Keep it up, more, more!

    • Thank you! I am working on more videos for sure.

  • Jack99

    -Should we really use this Mandela quote for a scientology benefit concert?
    -The guy is dead, he won’t complain, just go for it.

  • Observer

    Busy day coming up so I won’t be able to watch the vids till later.

    Meanwhile, is it wrong that I hope the walking Dianetics book fell over and lay there flailing on floor until someone could quit laughing long enough to help it up? Or that I want to take a wooden spoon to the “knight’s” helmet?

    • EmmaDaoust

      And that all the kiddies started jumping on the big book like it was a trampoline?

    • GrandEclectus

      The Raelians have a walk around mascot. I was hoping Scientology would too. Not as imaginative as theirs, but silly just the same.

      • hexqueen

        But at least he still has his dignity!

    • Sibs

      It looks more like they just wrapped a Ronald McDonald statue in Dianetics. Look at the feet.

    • chukicita

      I’m wondering why the Spanish anthropomorphic book was flailing in Russia.

      • Robert Eckert

        A couple of the pictures were in Hungary and France.

    • pixie dust

      We may be related.

  • Another [insert here] for human rights group, eh? (Writers, painters, poets and now the rocks are in favor of it too.)

    Domain Name:ROCKFORHUMANRIGHTS.ORG
    Creation Date: 2010-01-31T19:18:03Z
    Registrant Name:Wil Seabrook
    Registrant Organization:Richter10.2 Media Group, LLC
    Registrant Street: Bank of America Tower 600 Cleveland Street
    Registrant City:Clearwater
    Registrant State/Province:Florida

    There’s a Bank of America Tower on Cleveland Street?? (I’ll put the coffee on, then check Streetview.)

    • 11-12 stories, wow.

      In the Toronto real estate market near the closed Toronto Org, the condos are going up at 65-80 stories.

      • chukicita

        You wouldn’t want to build anything much taller in Clearwater; it’s on limestone…

        • The Super Power Sinkhole would be quite a sight!

          • kemist

            And everyone in there would be blamed for pulling it in.

    • chukicita

      A guy (Paul Maselli) was posting about the big UN gig on the Razzline and his FB page, where only a few days before the big event he was still begging for “sponsors.” He and his wife Orietta are an “FSM team” but also creating events at orgs such as Italian Night (where I’m imagining reges in fedoras make you an offer you can’t refuse).

      He was not only begging for sponsors, but also talent. Looks like Chill EB even blew off the opportunity:

      Gotta wonder if anyone told the UN. (The gig was actually hosted by the NY Ideal Org in the proximity of the UN. No telling if anyone at the UN even knew about it other than an invitation sent from the org.)

      • Fink Jonas

        sounds like some is being sent to ethics.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “Resume”

        Gangsta Rap – you’re doing it wrong.

      • ze moo

        Maybe if they offered him airfare and hotel room and few bucks in walking around money?

      • Gus_Cox

        Jeezus, Maselli is still in??? I remember when he was “Fresh Cheese” with, shit, what was that band in LA? With “Tortelvis” the lead singer? Dread Zeppelin! That was like 25 years ago. Can’t believe I remember that…

        • chukicita

          I remember when I was working for a promoter and we’d receive avails about Dread Zeppelin…and everyone thought, y’know, this is entertaining for like one song but not a whole concert… was it a Scn band?

  • Ella Raitch
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      And now I want ice cream for breakfast…

      • Bradley Greenwood

        No lie… I had sugar-free chocolate pudding in a sugar cone this morning.
        It’s not the head injury… I’ve done it for years.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thanks. It’s 10pm and I’d just taken my shoes off.

      Now I have to get up and go to the convenience store for ice cream.

      But not the nearest one, no…because the guy on night shift “likes me” * and I’ve been avoiding him.

      On top of which, all my clothes are drying and what I’m wearing makes me look like a homeless person.

      THANKS!

      …back soon…

      *Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I just can’t deal…

      • Ella Raitch

        How long have you been at the Bunker? Haven’t you prepared your supplies for all possible scenarios here? At the very least, be prepared with a beverage, popcorn, tacos, caek and brain bleach

        • LongtimeLurker

          I know, I know. I forget every so often.

          It’s alright, I found cup-o-soup and fruity porridge in the cupboard, I’ll restock the darn icecream tomorrow.

          • Ella Raitch

            A most appropriate after 10pm snack!

          • Draco

            Keep a can of condensed milk in the freezer – it satisfies any sweet craving you might get for whatever at those inopportune times 🙂

      • MM

        “But not the nearest one, no…because the guy on night shift “likes me””

        But but but – can you blame him if everytime you go there you’re looking like a ‘hooded robber’? 😀

        • LongtimeLurker

          Good point.

          I’d forgotten I had that on.

  • Sejanus

    Human Rights…
    I really do not think they know what that means.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I suspect they know what it means, but have mentally redefined the “Human” part to “Homo Novus”.

      So it’s like “Human Rights, but only for the right people!”

      Maybe they should actually say Right Human Rights.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    “Right to life…” So, they do know that’s a very politically charged phrase (at least in the US), right? I’m sure they’re referring to general human rights, but…well, it isn’t a phrase I’d blow up big on a promotional poster. Excellent communication skills as always, CoS.

  • Jack99

    We Rock for Human Rights. Sure, that sounds good, but what about
    We Disco for Human Rights
    We Reggae for Human Rights
    We Techno for Human Rights
    We Punk for Human Rights
    We Jazz for Human Rights
    We Alternative Rock for Human Rights
    We Easy Listening for Human Rights
    We Elevator Music for Human Rights

    • Observer

      I vote for We Trance for Human Rights.

    • romanesco

      We headbang for human rights. We thrash for human rights.

    • kemist

      We Extort for Human Rights

    • chukicita

      We Pretend We Got a Gig at the UN for Human Rights!

    • Robert Eckert

      We Doo Wop for Human Rights

      • romanesco

        Wop or Squat?

    • Rasha

      We Imprison for Human Rights

      • LongtimeLurker

        We Misuse The Phrase Human Rights for Human Rights (But Not Your Human Rights, Only Ours. Got It?)

        …bit long for social media, I’ll work on it…

    • We Don’t Give A Damn About Human Rights. We Want Money And Safe-Pointing.

    • Miss Tia

      We violate Human Rights for Human Rights

    • MM

      We MAKE MONEY for Human Rights,
      We MAKE MORE MONEY for Human Rights,
      We MAKE OTHERS PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MONEY for Human Rights!

    • Sherbet

      We Drunk Aunt Wedding Dance for Human Rights

  • chukicita

    Perhaps it’s OT today to note the lovely article published July 15 in Autoweek by an informed journalist:

    “Most famously, the church slapped Dianetics decals all over the Vince Granatelli Racing Lola/Cosworth driven by Roberto Guerrero in the 1988 Indy 500. It crashed out in turn two, having failed to complete a single lap.

    We’ll note that not every driver was willing to let Scientology turn their car into the rolling sandwich board: Mario Andretti reportedly ordered a Dianetics logo removed from his car before competing in the 1988 GTE World Challenge of Tampa, claiming he had nothing to do with the sponsorship deal and did not want to appear to be endorsing the Scientology. Of course, Andretti is an exceptional case; few teams have the luxury of turning down money. Hence, the hilarious and sad collection of cars seen here.

    Shockingly, this record marks Scientology’s racing ventures as less successful than those of the Raelians, who believe life on earth was created by extraterrestrials and once claimed to have successfully cloned a human. Perhaps the church’s aims would have been better served by a driver with a higher Operating Thetan level.”

    Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/car-life/scientology-goes-racing-when-indy-500-and-lemans-cars-were-sponsored-dianetics#ixzz3kg4AeC7m

    • Rasha

      Dianetics: The only thing it leaves behind is skid marks.

      • Draco

        Bad boy! 😀

      • MissCandle

        Are you talking about race cars or tighty whiteys after beans and rice?

      • flexible

        …in your undies. LOLOLOL

  • Mockingbird

    Good morning beautiful Bunkeroos !!
    Here is some more anti sex stuff from Hubbard.
    This is an excerpt from a taped conversation with L Ron Hubbard in 1974 and his quotes affected very strongly. “The GE is a family man; the GE is lost without a family. It’s very strange, but Homo sap i.e. a family unit. The GE is built on that basis. It’s fascinating, fascinating. It’s not important to know it but a lot of your urges toward families and so forth are not thetan urges at all, they’re the GE. The GE can’t survive at all without a family unit. He’s just as dead as a mackerel if he isn’t a family unit, whereas your thetan is just dead as a mackerel if he gets too mixed up in family units.

    You can’t talk to GEs; they’re kind of psycho. And by the way, you can fall into this dreadful trap with a GE. You see, he uses the MEST universe with which to build. He’s gotten very, very bad off and he has to use MEST materials all the time.

    So, you get this situation here with the GE, and your GE is busy: build, build, build, build, and build. And, of course he’s got to have a family to build with.

    You get this terrific family thirst. And you get your GE surviving best and being loused up the most because of inter-family relationships. And your thetan, by the way, can much more easily go into a group. Families are not good groups; they’re bad groups.”

    GE is the Genetic Entity. The Scientology Tech Dictionary defines it this way: 1. That beingness not dissimilar to the thetan which has carried forward and developed the body from its earliest moments along the evolutionary line on earth and which, through experience, necessity and natural selection, has employed the counter-efforts of the environment to fashion an organism of the type best fitted for survival, limited only by the abilities of the genetic entity.The goal of the genetic entity is survival on a much grosser plane of materiality.

    2. Formerly referred to as the somatic mind. It has no real personality; it is not the “I” of the body. This is the “mind” of an animal, a dog or a cat or a cow.

    3. That entity which is carried along through time, that is making the body through the time stream, through the action of sex and so forth. Ron Hubbard

    • Robert Eckert

      Fascinating, fascinating, and so on, and so forth.

    • Rasha

      “Families are not good groups; they’re bad groups.” ~ LRH

      Need more be said? Bastard.

      • Mockingbird

        Cult leaders frequently try to position loyalty to themselves above family and frequently tear up families .

        • Draco

          What Mockingbird said! ^^^^
          It’s shit like this that gets fed to people when disconnection rears its ugly head. Hubbard knew exactly what he was doing when he spouted this bullshit.

          • Mockingbird

            Yeah, he wanted fanatical slaves with no conflicting loyalties.

      • Mockingbird

        I am trying to go in the opposite direction now that I have finished my twenty five years in Scientology.

        • Rasha

          The best direction – so glad you’re here! 🙂

          • Mockingbird

            🙂

      • LHS

        Well, families were bad groups for him. His first wife, for instance, had this crazy idea that he should support his children financially and help raise them instead of travelling around having affairs and ignoring his family. /s

        • Rasha

          Good thing he didn’t have a second wife……. (rolls eyes)

    • Do we know how LRH got on with his parents? … this smacks of a dysfunctional upbringing, what job did his father have, did they divorce and so on… I know I can look it up but its annoying on an iPad when you’re in a thread.

      • Robert Eckert

        His father was a naval officer (probably pulled strings to get LRH an officer’s rank in 1941) and frequently absent. His mother and aunts are said to have spoiled him rotten.

      • Mockingbird

        One hypothesis goes his grandfather told him he was a perfect being and his aunts spoiled him. In some ideas on narcissists the idea of a perfect golden child being idolized can have terrible consequences. The child is never accepted as human and flawed and can experience terrible trauma as a result.

        In this model the child may not learn normal attachment and to get affection and support the child develops a fractured mind. With a hidden true self that is immature, petulant, belligerent, and feels inadequate and worthless. Then also a false outer facade that is perfect, all knowing and better than everyone else.

        The inner self in its misery constantly is age regressed, projecting and in denial of its flaws.
        That motivates pathological lying, lies 180 degrees from the truth and claiming others have the golden child’s flaws and crimes and the golden child claiming other’s good qualities in pure reversals.

        And if like Hubbard the child becomes a malignant narcissist they carry on these behaviors for life.

      • Mockingbird

        Here is my take on this.
        Scientology’s parallel in nature – malignant narcissism
        http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/05/scientolgys-parallel-in-nature_3.html

      • ze moo

        Lrons daddy was a very junior officer in the US Navy when Lron was born. His mother was usually with daddy at what ever naval base daddy was stationed at, but was with Lron until they shipped out to Guam in the 20’s. Lron and I believe mommy were with aunts and uncles in the Pacific northwest until puberty. Junior officers like daddy did not make much, but they did get regular pay, a nice thing after 1929.

        See xenu dot net for a better look at Lroon’s early life. He was, mostly, a naughty little boy.

  • What can you say about the dianetics book costume? Sometimes, Scientology just passes beyond satire, and you can only look on in wonder.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Sorry.

    • Sherbet

      And it’s outside a McDonald’s. Nice, scientology. You set a kid trap.

  • LongtimeLurker

    A guy dressed as a book…is what they came up with…

    Like…really?

    Who…WHO…is that supposed to appeal to. It is among the most charmless and unevocative things in the history of things. It is exactly what a Simpsons episode would come up with to parody a lame cult.

    It’s the equivalent of going to Disneyland, and instead of Mickey and Donald, you are confonted with the crushing disappointment of an idiot dressed as a giant version of Walt’s original notes about “…maybe putting some cute cartoon characters together. Also tell Ronette to restock my bar…”

    That is among the top 5 lamest things they have ever done in my opinion.

    • Ella Raitch

      Where are the kids to wrestle the man in the ridiculous mascot costume when you need them?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Fingers crossed, it can still happen.

    • Draco

      I know! I thought – now there’s something to put on your CV – Was a dianetics book once… And what’s with the shoes?!

      • Observer

        It’s wearing wacky shoes–it can’t be sinister, right?

        • Sherbet

          That’s what DM needs — a pair of wacky shoes.

    • Sherbet

      You can’t judge a book by its cover. Oh, wait. In this case, you can.

    • BosonStark

      You dress up as a chicken to get people to go eat chicken at a chicken place. Dress as Dianutty to get people to go eat Dianutty at a Dianutty place, after they’ve had some processing of course. Yeah, it is lame, but I’m afraid it’s about as cerebral as they can get when pushing a book like Dianutty. Anything else might be considered verbal tech — discussing Dr. Hubtard’s technology.

      • LongtimeLurker

        But isn’t this more like dressing up as the thing that cooks the chicken?

        Wouldn’t dressing as a Homo Novus be more apropos?

        Or would that fall under verbal tech? I can’t tell.

        Don’t verbal tech It doesn’t hold up to robust debate. I fixed it for them

  • Draco

    Applied Scholastics and Youth for Human Rights Sponsor’s Banquet from 6pm to 7pm.

    What sort of banquet lasts only an hour? That’s about enough time to find your seat and grab a few snacks. From Wikipedia: A banquet (/ˈbæŋk.wɪt/; French: [bɑ̃.kɛ]) is a large meal or feast, complete with main courses and desserts. It usually serves a purpose such as a charitable gathering, a ceremony, or a celebration, and is often preceded or followed by speeches in honor of someone.

    Some word clearing might be in order – scientology – always trying to make a silk purse from a pig’s ear. At best they will be serving a very hurried meal.

  • Hmm. ROCK FOR HUMAN RIGHTS INC is registered with the IRS as a charitable Organization (EIN 46-3787477) in 2014, so no Form 990s yet. No trace of that corporation with California however.

    If that’s a fictitious business name alias, they really really shouldn’t allow him to use Inc in it, and the IRS should list the real corporate name, but they’re sloppy that way.

    • The fundraiser for the Rock For Human Rights National Tour 2014 did not make its goal.

      https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/rock-for-human-rights-national-tour-2014#/story

      • Sherbet

        Not even close! I’d feel bad if I thought the requested $40,000 was really going to educate children.

      • MrsLurksALot

        $3395 is $3395 too much. 8% of goal in two months. Winning!

    • chukicita

      I love the conflation of human rights, Kangen water machines, “powerful marketing software,” online income systems and sponsorships with financing options:

      • Observer

        When I first glanced at this, his email address looked like Paul@BigBaloney.com

        • Sherbet

          And your point is?

      • MM

        …and nothing relates “Human Rights” better than having a “Paul@MoneyBigMoney . com” email address!

      • chukicita

        That it was posted 4 days before the big UN gig would not fill me with confidence as a potential sponsor. Usually this ish is worked out many months in advance.

      • Sherbet

        I misread this, thinking sponsorship would provide healthy water to people who need it, as facilitated by the UN. Got to slow down and read carefully.

        • LongtimeLurker

          “Scientology; If You Read Our Crap Fast, We Seem Kind Of Okay!”

          • Sherbet

            Excellent slogan. COB is going to want that embroidered on a throw pillow.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Which he can then throw at some poor staffer.

            • Sherbet

              Precisely.

            • chukicita

              f5

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol

            • Sherbet

              That’s excellent, chukicita. Just spoke to COB. He’d like to order six of these, with lead weights inside. All the better to bop a staffer on the bean with.

            • BabySmurfette

              Or smother them to death

            • Sherbet

              Who would do COB’s dirty work? He probably just needs to maim people a little, not kill them. It’s not the scientology way. Probably.

            • BabySmurfette

              selective suffocation? 🙂

        • LHS

          Which is a shame, because this would be a good cause for any group; there are so many people in the world who need healthy water. Not Kangen water, just clean, accessible water.

  • Mockingbird

    Just got through sexy Scientology and loved it. I was fucked up for years and years by the sex and pain HCOB.
    Those lies have knocked out normal relationships and acceptance of sexuality for thousands of Scientologists. Tons of guys have expressed feeling conflicted and women as well.

    The whole equivalency Hubbard made between likng sex and being an insane rapist serial killer type is a horrible suggestion that degrades your old identity to eradicate your self confidence, confuses you and heightens your anxiety to make you more suggestible to Hubbard’s doctrine. That is his motivation. He sees people as toys and if tearing their lives apart so he can play with his toys is needed, then he’s willing to sacrifice others happiness and sanity so he can have his fun. Nora Crest does a fabulous job in laying things out so never ins will get the picture accurately.

    Regarding Laura Prepon and her portrayal of a lipstick lesbian Nora has good points. Laura can say “I am not a lesbian – I play one as an artist” and use that distinction to placate the cult. And her money doesn’t hurt either.
    Regarding Nora’s comment that men watch due to the unrealistic portrayal of lesbian life I can assure you that Laura has a reputation as a “walking masturbatory aid” among her male fans and the majority of lesbians I know don’t act exactly like most of the ones on Orange Is The New Black.

    I feel this had a terrific exposure of the Sex and Pain reference and the best thing was her exposure of Scientology as a bona fide hate group against all LBGT people.
    The use of the money and fame Laura gets to fund and promote the cult is the most objectionable part of her activities. And should be honestly disclosed to the world.

    • I am sorry that you went through that. So happy that my breakdown could help. That’s all I can hope for. XOXO

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks, I think everybody goes through that or worse in Scientology.

        • daisy

          hugs!!! Don’t diminish what you went through.

          • Mockingbird

            I am just saying I don’t stand out in that way. Abuse is standard tech.

      • Mockingbird

        Your videos are terrific.

    • Kim O’Brien

      man …i thought Catholic views on sex were fucked up

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s one thing they share with fundamentalist protestants.

      • Mockingbird

        Not even close .

        • gtsix

          Not now perhaps, but even 30 years ago, the RCC was quite close to teh CO$ on this. Sex outside marriage = damned to hell, masturbation = cardinal sin, anything but missionary to product children = cardinal sin. The RCC hierarchy still believes this, but the priests realize very few lay catholics believe this, so they don’t talk about it.

          • Mockingbird

            Scientology is a completely literal heavy thought reform cult . The effects that creates are entirely different from religious indoctrination.

            Learning about the exact differences between cults and religions is essential to understanding Scientology.

            Many Catholics have independent and critical thinking they can apply to their beliefs, Scientologists don’t.

            • gtsix

              Oh agreed. The RCC stopped being a cult a very long time ago. Almost complete power + time = religion.

      • vicariousthrill

        Catholics don’t believe sex is bad or that it diminishes you–quite the contrary. The church exhorts it’s members to be responsible with sex because of its enormous power. Having said that, I grew up inhibited to the extent that it thwarted my development. So there’s a paradox that I can’t define…but it proves tto me that religion should NEVER be more than a guide and a source of strength and solace.

        • daisy

          I love religion should never be more than a guide and a source of strength and solace. You summed up what I believe but couldn’t articulate in a short sentence. Thank-you

          • vicariousthrill

            I’m so glad you agree, Daisy. These days it’s popular to bash all religions in every aspect, but often, mine is a comfort to me. So, thank you.

  • Chee Chalker

    Re: the 3 videos…..I believe this is ‘when it rains it pours’ tech

  • Draco

    Happy Thursday 2pm! 3 of my favourite “vid-posters” all posting on the same day. Off to prepare pot of coffee and snacks…

  • What a wild day for all three of us to be getting new content out there. My good friends Nora and Aaron are doing awesome work and I am so happy to see what they are doing with their channels. We all talk behind the scenes and help each other out, but I don’t think any of us expected a coordinated release in one day of our work.

    It doesn’t get any better than this and here’s an observation I’d like to make as to why. I think what we are seeing now – and this may be more awesome than it appears at first glance – is more open healing and recovery from Scientology by those of us 2nd and 3rd gen Scientologists who were raised in the group and did not know anything else almost our entire lives. And with this healing comes more willingness to stand up and fight back against the destructive practices of L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige, men who we know now are not demi-gods but are merely ordinary mortals filled with avarice and a lust for power. Believe me, talking openly about a cult experience and what it does to you is cathartic and for anyone out there who isn’t making videos or taking their experience public, it helps a lot to get your voice heard. It doesn’t have to be by YouTube, but do it somehow even if with only one other person.

    Our empowerment to fight back comes from all the many people that have been fighting it for years (including our proprietor, Tony Ortega) and which some years ago finally succeeded in getting it generally accepted across the world that Scientology is a destructive cult that is only interested in taking and taking and taking from your wallet, not giving back anything to your soul or doing anything constructive to actually help anyone. This environment of support and understanding means the world to us.

    • Mockingbird

      Great videos !!! You said Hubbard and Miscavige are NOT demigods !! Spoiler !! Some of us spend decades in Scientology before we figure that out, talk about giving away the ending.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Miscavige is a Demi-Adult Male.

        If that helps.

        • Mockingbird

          Like a manchild ?

          • ze moo

            Just your garden variety psychopath.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Exactly. Both physically (which isn’t his fault) and emotionally/mentally (which is).

            ….said the 40-something who buys Lego.

            ps – so I haven’t been back to Patheos, but “infinefettle” has apparently returned and is going up and down the thread abusing me, according to my Disqus alerts.

            Is he replying to you as well?

            I’m gonna have a quick look over there tomorrow, I just can’t face it right now.

            • Mockingbird

              They don’t like my Hubbard videos .

            • LongtimeLurker

              I bet.

            • Mockingbird

              Hubbard quotes they always say are snippets taken out of context. So with videos Hubbard speaks for himself and about Christ, Xenu, minorities etc. .

            • LongtimeLurker

              “snippets taken out of context.”

              The context wouldn’t matter for some of the things he says. Weaselly BS. Grrrr

              “infinefettle” is still hassling me. Arguing about the argument now, to derail.

              I called him on it and asked him if he’d care to justify his defence of the murderers of Lisa McPherson, Amber Bullins etc.

              Maybe he’ll back off. Probably not. sigh

            • Mockingbird

              I suggest simply posting Hubbard videos . Ones where he badmouths Christians etc. No ambiguity there.

            • pluvo

              It’s like fighting fire with fire. Fighting Scientology with Hubbard.
              I could work out of a lot of indoctrination by looking again and again and analyzing (without the milieu control) what Hubbard claimed and uttered.
              The people who could get sucked in through the self-help and altruistic veneer of Scn, they had already a look behind the facade.

            • Mockingbird
            • pluvo

              I read some of it, Mockingbird. I’m on the fringes of the Internet since 5 years and went through various phases. I’m through the (decompression)and out.

            • Mockingbird

              Good, I hope your recovery goes well.

            • daisy

              link please.

    • Kim O’Brien

      it is wonderful to see people use their voices and stand up against a horrible group like scientology 🙂 As an outsider …it has been amazing to watch all these years . Mad , mad , mad props to you ( Wayne and Garth bow )

    • The three of us on the same day!!! It is pretty rad. Watch out Scientology. Our wonder twin (triplet) powers have combined!!

    • chukicita

      It is, in my experience, easy to stand outside with the benefit of unrestricted access to information and point out the Emperor’s nakedness.

      To grow up in an environment where you’re taught to fear the outside, have all kinds of restrictions and threats inherent in contact with non-approved information, and an Emperor who you know won’t hesitate to use his ecclesiastical power to crush your family, eternity, soul, etc. at his whim if he even thinks you’re laughing at his pipi — and then not only find *your* way out, but help light the way for others, with love and with a sense of humor…

      Y’all are my heroes.

      • daisy

        Those little arrow thingys up 10000

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Three of my favorite voices in one day?! I don’t know where to start!

      This was very beautifully said, Chris. It’s wonderful that being able to speak openly and honestly has been so healing for you, because it certainly has been instructive and eye-opening for the rest of us. For us never-ins, learning from the three of you will help make us better, stronger, and more empathetic allies. For those who have recently exited (or starting to question), I hope your examples will give them courage and serve as proof that there is light and love out there.

    • daisy

      You are smart and dreamy

      • Oh you!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey…I’m an SF fan…

        • daisy

          If you look like Chris Shelton, I have an opening next week.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Nope. Sorry.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I love this Chris! I love that you are all sharing and I love your take on it. The curtain has been pulled back from the wizard.

    • Juicer77

      This comment means more to me than I can express. Thanks, Chris.
      May 2015 continue to be The Year People Start to Get It.

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      Hear hear! Chris, as you know when we were at PAC there was that segment of SO members who ranged from late teens to late 20’s, who had grown up in at the PAC Ranch and wound up in the SO, even though they didn’t really want to be there, they just had no place else to go. These guys were known as “slackers” for the most part and — from an SO perspective — they were a bit more trouble than they were worth, but they were kept around and kept from leaving because they had parents who were SO execs. The power that be were worried what would happen if this corps of under-uneducated, restless SO youth were allowed to leave and be set forth upon the world.

      These people are the ones who experienced the worst of what it means to grow up in SCN.

      WELL…almost all of those guys are out of the SO now and are not Scientologists by any definition of the word, even though none of them have spoken publicly.

      Our videos that call BS on the things these kids grew up knowing in their heart was BS really do have an impact on them, and make them more and more interested in getting their story on the record.

      There are some pretty terrible tales. Stories about the RPF and staff can be terrible; but just wait until you hear stories about 8 & 9-year-old kids being woken up and dragged out of bed at 2am to dig holes in the desert with shovels for hours without food or water because a truck-load of 200 fruit trees just arrived and have to be re-planted in the ground in a timely manner or they will die.

      Or kids who have so few articles of clothing, that they have to wash their only pair of underwear in the shower each morning, ring them out, put them on wet and let them dry during the day while wearing them. Their SO parents didn’t have money to buy them clothes and the SO sure as hell didn’t provide any. They only saw their parents once or twice a month anyway.

      These are the stories the kids who grew up in the PAC Ranch have to tell. I know, because they have told me these stories. Our videos are making them more and more comfortable with telling these stories.

      2015 / 2016 will not be a good time for Scientology.

      • For sure. The handling of the SO kids is one of the worst things in the history of Scientology. It was nothing but pure child abuse and criminal neglect and so many of the stories of abuse that came out of that time are enough to singe your eyebrows clean off. There’s still a lot of ground to cover with their stories and a lot of abuse to expose to provide closure for those kids.

        • Lady Squash

          Their stories need to be told.

          • Ella Raitch

            The Royal Commission into institutional child abuse in Australia is hearing this loud and clear – victims want apologies , an acknowledgement of what happened. So many organisations just want to dismiss these terrible incidents as ancient history,

            • Lady Squash

              Bravo to the Royal Commission in Australia. I wish them all the best.

          • MotherOfDragons

            Yes, agree Lady Squash,

            The stories that haven’t been told yet,..need to be told. Every single one of them. Time to shine every light there is on the darkness and really ‘clear the planet’ of those that think it’s their right to destroy the lives of others in the name of ‘religion’ and the supposed ‘greater good’.

      • Sunny

        Aaron, First of all, thank you all for what you are doing. Aaron, Nora, Chris, Tony, everyone who speaks out and makes a platform for people to speak out.
        I was curious Aaron if you know the story of the boy who was at the PAC Ranch and was going to join the Sea Org (his dad is Bob Brown). They drove up to the ranch to get his things and the roads were icy, I think, and the car smashed into a tree. I saw the car afterward, the passenger side door was caved in so much it was touching the driver side door. I hear the boy became basically brain dead from this accident (no, he did not join the Sea Org). Both of his parents were in the Sea Org, and they had to take care of their child and still keep their posts. I think the dad was in food service at the HGB, but I don’t know about the mom. Do you know what happened? (I think this happened around 97 or 98).

        • Aaron Smith-Levin

          Hi Sunny, I am not familiar with that story.

      • daisy

        I would like to say I am looking forward to your videos, but I am not. You have to look at the dirt to dig it up, or some useless analogy. I am so so so glad you are out..

      • Lady Squash

        That is powerful stuff. Hope those stories come out. Could even be a Facebook page, similar to but different than “Humans of New York”.

    • pluvo

      Chris Shelton, Aaron Smith-Levin, Robyn Capella. Thank you!

      Also on the list of 2627 “Former Church of Scientology members who have spoken out”:
      http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/Former_Church_of_Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out

    • Robyn Capella

      Chris, I wanted to say thanks for all of your hard work and everything you are doing to help expose what Scientology really is. I think it is important for people to understand why Scientology is actually bad — and that the real problems aren’t actually Xenu-based.

      And thank you for encouraging me to tell more of my story; it really is cathartic to talk about it all. I completely agree that it’s amazing to have so many people coming out and very openly speaking about their experiences (I can’t even tell you how glad I am that I’m not a DSA anymore — all of this is definitely a nightmare for them, but one they created).

  • GrandEclectus

    OTish
    Twitter update – Scientology watch

    ChillEB vs Marc Headley

    Sadly, ChillEB has taken to attacking people. When my friends did this to him, i was upset. Even chatted with him a bit. He was the cool one then…but they got to him. He’s lost it.

    https://twitter.com/blownforgood/status/639139648032407552

    They did seem to leave on a good note sort of. #xenuismyhomeboy

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Cautiously, I am claiming a WIN for the Bunker this morning.

    Many of you may recall the flap last February when Tony showed us a poster image for a benefit concert for “African Literacy and Ebola Recovery.” The event, presented by Youth for Human Rights International claimed to be endorsed by the Pasadena Human Rights Commission and hosted by Pasadena’s First Church of the Nazarene. Tony contacted the City of Pasadena, who stated emphatically that they did not endorse this event. I contacted friends at Pasadena Nazarene, who related back that Pasadena Nazarene was not a host, but simply provided the venue to worthy community groups. (I will add that the Scientology connection was made crystal clear to the nice people at PazNaz.)

    Today we see the poster for the latest concert for “African Literacy and the Right to Life.” See what’s missing? The entire event is now being handled by Scientology. Instead of a city agency it is presented “in collaboration with” Applied Scholastics, and instead of being hosted at a respected local institution it is now being staged at Celebrity Center International.

    Here is the original post by Tony (scroll down past the main story):
    http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/18/tampa-showdown-scientologys-religious-exception-faces-mini-trial-today/

    Here is the point in the discussion thread where this was covered last February:
    http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/18/tampa-showdown-scientologys-religious-exception-faces-mini-trial-today/#comment-1862785233

    (Refresh for comparison image of the two posters. What a difference six months, and the strong sunlight of truth, makes!)

    • Sherbet

      I read that Gene Simmons personally sponsors about 1,400 African children, providing for all their physical needs, with the stipulation that they have to go to school. Whether one likes Simmons or not, that’s the promotion of literacy (and health), not the grandstanding that cos does.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Also codpieces, flame-bursts and blood-spitting. Which are just as important as an education kids.

        • Sherbet

          Those codpieces, etc., made Simmons a rich man, surprisingly.

          • arcinva

            Which, in turn, allowed him to sponsor those kids. So thanks makeup, platform boots, wagging tongues, and codpieces! 😀

    • LongtimeLurker

      Well done Douglas and Tony!

    • Lucille Austero

      A massive win!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I wonder if the $5 ticket price increase is because the CCINT is charging for the use of it’s facility…

    • Juicer77

      Excellent!! This is exactly what everyone needs to keep doing at a grassroots level to stop the Co$ fraud from continuing. If they want to promote their activities they HAVE to be honest about who they are. We must hold them to that standard, and make it clear what the real objective of ALL these front groups is: pulling people into the Co$ in order to get their money.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Little drops of water…

        • daisy

          Little grains of sand

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      This makes my day, Triple D!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology is black magic – you roll up your sleeves and lose your shirt

    $cientology: where dreams go askew as you scheme against you
    The whole team ends up blue.

    If one of $cientology’s lesser ministers was overboarded,
    would that be a floating beadle?

    $cientology rock and roll ? More like sock and troll

    In light of the Porta-Potty stylings at his hotel:
    What is John Mappin’s wife’s name again?
    Urina, is it?

    I’ve got a new gig –
    composing lyrics for Chin-Thetan Chilli Beans,
    based on the Pain and Sex HCOB

    Rap for Hubbard’s Spawn

    Desperately seek survival
    Now looking for revival
    An idea dead on arrival
    Those arboricidal,
    anti-bridal
    So low-tidal
    bivalve clams

    Tho’ never idle
    With thoughts genocidal
    Making suicidal
    Those arboricidal,
    anti-bridal
    So low-tidal
    bivalve clams

    And this one is for Jenna:

    • Supper Powers

      Pan, we need a Bunker chapbook by you. Maybe a series of them.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Multiple standing ovations today:

    Aaron: You continue to rock it like a pro.
    Chris: You are as good an interviewer as you are a speaker.
    Nora: Loving you in this setting just telling it like it is. Your message to/about Laura Prepon is so spot I was yelling, out loud “PREACH GIRL!!!” while I was listening. 🙂

    Thanks for the line-up today Tony. Stellar from beginning to end.

  • Awwwww yeah!!! Me and two of my favorite people on the planet dropping knowledge all on the same day!!!! GO GET YOUR LOTTERY TICKETS PEOPLE!!! TODAY, as Ice Cube so eloquently put it, IS A GOOD DAY.

    • flyonthewall

      nice, i just posted that song here like 3 days ago

    • MaxSpaceman

      Sex Ed. $cientology Style is completely off the meter!

      Their entire membership, organization, staff, Sea Org and management executives are so out 2D it’s not even funny 🙂

      • I shoulda called it Sex Ed Scientology style. That woulda been great!

        • LongtimeLurker

          Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Scientology Sex (But Were Afraid to Ask).
          ?

    • Joe

      1. I love your style of delivery, it’s really engaging.
      2. You remind me of my favorite babysitter I had growing up.
      3. I’m really surprised ANY celebrity Scientologist isn’t called out more for their anti-LGBT attitudes, particularly as people are quick to point out there is no place for that in Hollywood. Look at Isaiah Washington who received a huge backlash when he called his co-star a faggot.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Did you see Danny “eyes like pee-holes in the snow” Masterson’s response to the question about LRH/Scientology’s homophobia?

        I know he ain’t JT or TC, but he’s one of their “celebrities”.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          No, is there a link? Can’t seem to find it.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I should have said “…in that Paper Mag interview”. Sorry. It’s old news to a Bunkereer (like Buccaneer) like you.

            http://www.papermag.com/2015/02/danny_masterson_scientology.php

            “I mean, dude, there’s a fucking ton of gay Scientologists.”

            He’s stupid.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I thought he said a new stupid thing. He’s so right and they’ll take all of the gay people’s money. Meanwhile, I guess they must live like Monks and we all know they NEVER get it on.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah that was my bad, sorry. But I’m sure he’s said lots of new stupid things. We just need more articles about them.

            • daisy

              Unfortunately for except for the expletive laden discussion in a mainstream magazine , (and we know he is nuts) he seems reasonable. We need more Tom Cruise and Lauren Preppon interviews. Jenna and Kirstie already pull their load.

      • Thank you!! I think not enough people know the hypocracy of Scientologists in regards to LGBTQ rights. I am trying to get the truth out about that.

        • Joe

          and learning about all of this really breaks my heart for Hubbard’s son Quentin who was gay and killed himself. That poor kid probably just needed someone to tell him it was okay and unfortunately all he got was the world’s most sociopathic father.

          • Yeah that is heartbreaking. There are a lot of funky circumstances surrounding his death. But him dying, because he was who he was, is just grotesque. Ron was a bastard to the Nth degree and the truth about that needs to be spread far and wide.

  • Lucille Austero

    Busy day for me in the real world, but can I just say how unmitigatingly irritating it is to see the $cibots involved in my fave sport. $cientology: Get out of Motorsports. We are not approve.

    • No! Encourage them to form an F1 team! That would drain their billion dollars in about two years.

  • ze moo

    $cientology is the brain slug of cults. f5

    • Mockingbird

      What an insult to brain slugs.

      • Sherbet

        A brain slug would have died of malnutrition if it had ever tried to feast on Ron’s gray matter.

        • Mockingbird

          Good one .

  • gtsix

    OK, boss is off at a meeting, so I can listen to these awesome videos… and now I am humming “Let’s talk about sex” as if I’m back in high school. Damn you Nora Crest! 🙂

    • Juicer77

      LOL!

  • flyonthewall

    Nora likes Lego! Is that the latest AT-AT in the background? Chris also likes Lego. Of course Fly is all about Lego. I hope Chris n Nora have seen my Sci Lego blog thebrickcult.com . I haven’t updated it in a long time, sorry. What is it about SP’s n Lego? They’re awesome that’s what.

    • LongtimeLurker

  • BabySmurfette

    Great Job, Nora! You are so entertaining to watch and listen to.

  • flyonthewall

    Re Nora’s vid n the Pain and Sex essay, me thinketh Hubbard had issues with sex. He was probably completely impotent by the time he wrote that. “I can have sex anytime I want! I just don’t want to bc psych implant, small being etc etc” – Hubbard. Just a wild guess

    • Sherbet

      I think he was both fascinated by sex and repulsed by it, as well as by anything female. Think of his theories (and inflated numbers) about attempted abortion, and, of course, the Hubbard Patented “Rough Sex Engram” nonsense.

      • flyonthewall

        Most definitely. Any psych would have a field day creating a psychological profile of Hubbard from Dianetics alone. My professionally amateur opinion is – guy had issues. 🙂

        • Sherbet

          My professionally amateur opinion is – guy was wackadoodle.

          • daisy

            wackadoodle , issues, Thank-you for the consult. I concur with your assessment. I will forward my conclusions at a later date. Med speak sort of.

    • Rasha

      LOL “small being”….

  • Acherontia

    The fear/hatred of sex surprised me. Before I started reading/watching things about Scientology this spring I figured they’d be really into, I don’t know, weird orgies or something. Not conservative on a level that makes some other extremely conservative religions views of sex seem super liberal by comparison. Maybe I figured that because it was a newer “religion”.

    Either way, whaaaaaaaaat

    • flyonthewall

      I haven’t done an in depth study or anything but the impression I’m left with after too much reading and vid watching is that Hubbard n Scientology got more and more puritanical re sex as time went on. Lots of stories from ex’s in the 60’s-70’s about casual hook ups at the orgs and even a wild orgy on the Apollo on a New Year celebration. Gradually the rules got crazy strict. Just an observation from a never-in who reads and watches too much on the subject

      • vicariousthrill

        Yes, seems that way, but it feels like that was in proportion to his obsession with and seeming desire for all kinds of sex (among other things, reference the “affirmations” ).

        • Sherbet

          And if it ever occurred to him that the human sex drive is (usually) normal and strong, he wouldn’t have had to slug himself (and by extension, his followers) over the head with guilt, curiousity, and those stupid “affirmations.” lrh had all those issues, and he piled them up and called it dianetics.

          • vicariousthrill

            Yes!

        • flyonthewall

          Right, well you have to look at the timeframe of when the issue or whatever was written too and that will tell you where he was at. The Affirmations were written in the late 40’s and he was still all about the Thelema sex magick etc. In that time he was still having sex and making children *shudder* He had sex issues then obviously too but by the time the 80’s came around and he wrote Pain and Sex he was prob totally impotent and was cursing sex like it was evil.

          • vicariousthrill

            Thanks, fly, I did wonder about the timeframe. I can’t help but think that those affirmations are the key to all that came before and after. Or something like that.

            • flyonthewall

              They’re huge and Gerry Armstrong sacrificed so much to make them known. Mad props to him

      • Draco

        You are totally right on this, Fly. The view on sex in the 70s was pretty much the same in scn as it was in the real world. I have heard some outrageous stories myself 🙂
        Hubbard started taking control of the sea orgers’ sex lives at the end of 1978, when he issued the 2D Rules for Sea org. He decreed that no sex shall be had with unwed sea org staff; no heavy petting and definitely no adultery. I think it went downhill from there. In that policy he actually said that the rules were just for Sea Org so that we set a good example to the outside world. He actually said that he would not interfere in any way with the public scientologists’ lives as regards the 2nd dynamic. We all know where that went, don’t we?

        • flyonthewall

          Great info, thnx! Of course Hubbard and his monster were always obsessed with getting all the sexual activity info they could from their members, public or SO, but as far as the reason for sexual control who knows. Could be his personal issues projected onto his followers or just another mechanism of control he wanted? Could be both, will prob never know. But controlling the sex lives of members is always there in some form with cults and controlling groups

          • Draco

            Yes, it seems to be a vital part of it. Whether the leader is restricting sex among his followers or grabbing all the girls for himself, it all boils down to control. I think this is where they can see who the true believers are. When you are allowed to exert control over their sex lives and make decisions for them about families and the way they are to be raised, then you pretty much have them in the palm of your hand.
            Sick people.

          • LongtimeLurker

            When you say “his monster” do you mean…his…you know…?

      • My speculation is that, once Hubbard achieved the status of guru his mental and physical health began to decline (not least due to all the drugs he could now afford consume).

        At some point, he became impotent – and if he wasn’t able to play, he would insure that nobody else could, either.

    • Sherbet

      The weird orgy stuff occurred in the early Hubbard-Parsons-Crowley years. Although lrh was a willing participant, the church has rewritten history by saying lrh had been placed in that environment as an undercover operative by the US Navy to infiltrate and stop the Black Magick ring of depravity. Yes. Honestly. They say that. And scientologists believe it.

      • daisy

        sigh

        • Sherbet

          BTW, I don’t know if I’m repeating anything Nora says in her video. I haven’t seen it yet. I don’t mean to be redundant.

          • Draco

            You’re good 🙂

            • Sherbet

              I try.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “Secret Sex Magic Double-Agent Man!”

        Going to shoop LRH into a James Bond image…

        • Sherbet

          And Ian Fleming will come back to haunt you.

          • LongtimeLurker

            “Hubbard, Ron Hubbard…license to ill.”

            *bows*

      • There was a wonderful old (1987) BBC radio programme that practically fell for that story. It is redeemed by interviews with many interesting ex-Scientologists. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/ruthless-adventure-how-scientology-played-the-british-broadcasting-corporation/

  • Mockingbird

    OT elle just said Scientology was never convicted of a crime !!! Oh boy.

  • Mockingbird

    Chris Shelton’s interview was terrific. I think a lot of us had very similar experiences in the Sea Org and as outer org trainees staying at Sea Org orgs.

  • BosonStark

    See, the Sea Org even provides the young teens signing their next billion years away with pets. They’re cockroaches but still…

    Some of these teens may go on to serve at Gold Base where it’s like, don’t forget to bring your golf clubs and tennis racket.

    • Robyn Capella

      Hahahahahaha!

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Nora Crest on “Pain & Sex”: Sexy Scientology Part 2 (Growing Up Scientology: From Cradle to Slave)

    L. Ron Hubbard babbles on and on and on; “bla, bla, bla, bla, bla.” Today’s discussion: LRH’s bulletin, “Pain and Sex.”Written in the last years of this tortured soul’s life, P&S reduces sex to a disgusting, shameless act. But, wait a minute, Mr. Hubbard! Didn’t you write about the “Eight Dynamics,” which categorize life… joyous life… into eight categories of fundamental survival… the Second Dynamic meaning “Survival through Family,” part of which includes (hush now!), the “sex act”?

    Thank you, Chick Flick Productions, for dissecting this bulletin and painting a picture of how Scientologists, Sea Org members and Ethics Officers can use Hubbard’s words as “fact” (since we all know Hubbard is “right,” correct?). When such a bulletin is regarded as “God’s honest truth,” lives can be ruined. Scientology takes free beings down dark roads and enslaves them; leaving that cult frees them once again and allows them to decide their own future.

    • Draco

      I have heard, but not seen for myself, that the 2nd dynamic – sex, family and procreation – has been changed to the Creation Dynamic. The sex and family stuff was taken out – anybody else got info on this?

  • Draco

    Just watched all 3 videos. Good work everyone. Interesting stuff.
    Nora has a wonderful way of talking and explaining the inexplicable! With lots of subtle humour. Really enjoyed that.

    Aaron’s story is so interesting. As an Ex, I totally get (unfortunately)where the Sea Org ethics officer is coming from. All that crazy would have made sense to me to a degree. And even though the bargain Aaron was trying to make with scn would have seemed a good way to handle it, I would have known that there was no way it would wash further up the line. Yes – scn definitely creates its own problems and enemies.

    Robyn’s story of being on the EPF brought back so many memories. When I joined the Sea org here in South Africa, it was a relatively tiny continental management organisation. Each person had a tiny personal space that they could call home (your bed and a wardrobe) and that was it. Did the kitchen / dining room duty as well as cook all the meals. Aaah – good times… What I find amusing is we were always told how wonderful it all is in LA and at Flag, because they were big successful orgs and staff were paid well and had great berthing blah blah. Not so much, it seems. They seem to all have had actually worse times than we had.

    Thanks for the vids, Nora, Chris and Aaron. Educational AND entertaining – can’t beat that! Can’t wait for the next lot. I think Thursdays are a good day to post these things…crash OSA’s stats at the last minute. 😉

    • Robyn Capella

      Draco, I find it hilarious that you were told how ‘wonderful’ it was in LA (and Flag.. I never went, but certainly have since heard stories). If you got to be on the 5th floor in the PAC berthing, you had a chance of having somewhat better quarters, but you had to be higher up in CMO, RTC, etc. In LA, we were always told how amazing and wonderful it was up at Int (Gold, etc.). But that’s pretty much what they do — it’s always great elsewhere, but your area is bad because you are out-ethics and off-purpose!

      • Draco

        IKR? I found out first hand that it was sooo much worse at flag. I joined the sea org as flag staff in the late 80s and got a VERY rude awakening. It was truly horrible and I hated every minute I was there. Routed out and went home pretty sharpish 🙂

        • Robyn Capella

          Good on you for being able to get out so quickly. I couldn’t believe the stories about how it really was at Int — but things made a lot more sense!

  • BosonStark

    The irony of getting young, idealistic people, or those with an environmental bent involved in Scienotlogy is overwhelming. Scientology has felled forests printing crazy stuff for L. Ron Hubbard’s trap. John Travolta flies a gas-eating 707, sometimes to ferry around the dozen people in his entourage.

    The wealthy people Scientology attracts or sometimes produces rarely grow up with any environmental sense because of Scientology other than their entitlement to consume as much energy and make as much of a negative impact on the environment as their money will allow.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Are you sure JT’s plane isn’t a fan-less spacelane that uses Entheta for fuel and spews out hugs as exhaust?

      Are you?!?!?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Bunker bonanza!
    Tony, have you got those stats straight up and vertical
    in time for Thursday 2 o’ clock!

    I got to thinking some more about science and scientology,
    following Jeffrey’s excellent autopsy yesterday of
    the Narconon Norwegian Blue.
    Sorry if it is too long to read 🙂

    $cientology calls itself a “science of the mind.”
    Hubbard advanced hypotheses (e.g. engrams, thetans, body thetans, the Tone Scale,
    the Purif and Narconon as detox) and he and $cientology used/use confirmation bias,
    belief persistence, cherry-picking, denial, illusory correlation and wishful thinking to enshrine them.
    It avoids all attempts at objectivity and enshrines subjectivity – “What’s true for you …”
    It scrupulously avoids real-world testing and experiments and calls all criticism biased and bigoted.
    Some science.

    It is true that an idea is not responsible for it’s source,
    but lets take a look at how likely a source “Source” was.

    Hubbard had a proven history of fraud and fabrication.
    Despite his claims to the contrary, he had at best but an ordinary layman’s
    knowledge of and expertise on the mind
    supplemented by his personal experience – considerable-
    of substance abuse and mental illness.
    He had zero qualifications as a scientist other than a cursory
    (and abysmally failed) introduction to science as an undergrad.
    He mocked calculus and stated clearly that he could not understand it.
    He despised and vilified ad nauseam all those who attempt to develop
    a real science of the mind.
    He had zero peer-reviewed scientific publications.

    Hubbard’s hypotheses are virtually untested in a scientific fashion by others –
    the one (or is it two?) scientific test(s) done of his engram theory in the late
    ’50s demonstrated total and epic fail.
    To be kind, his hypotheses are novel, fly in the face of much that is already known
    and are extremely unlikely to be useful or valid.

    One example will suffice – the Purif is based on theories that are meaningless
    and practices that are likely to be harmful
    (toxin and drug residue storage and elimination does not happen as Hubbard suggested
    and the quantities of Niacin used can be dangerous or possibly fatal to
    immune-compromised addicts.)

    His “research” methods and grasp of the scientific method in general are risible in the extreme
    and more akin to parody than any serious attempt at science.
    Often, they are expressed as being clearly the product of serious derangement –
    viz. this, today ( from the HCOB referenced by Nora),
    Hubbard on Pain and Sex:
    “Pain and sex were the INVENTED tools of degradation.
    These are data which emerged from recent thorough research of the whole track.
    This is not theory or some strange opinion. It is provable electronic fact.
    The waves are just synthesized.”

    Yet none of these hypotheses have ever been discarded by $cientology or $cientologists.
    None of them have ever been tested and published in proper peer-reviewed journals
    (with the exception(s) noted above.)
    Au contraire, they are held as scripture and articles of faith and sealed in deep underground
    vaults to be preserved for generations.

    Poor suffering future humanity.
    The allusion to science in the name $cientology is patently and deliberately fraudulent.

  • Draco

    Re the fundraiser concert etc for Africa. I am willing to bet that none of the funds raised will make it to anything going on in Africa. Oh they might use the money to print some way to happiness booklets, which they will then sell to someone to distribute somewhere in Africa. But to actually find a worthy cause and give support to that financially? Sorry, Co$ doesn’t operate that way. If people are having a hard life it’s because they are “downstat” and probably actually prefer being in misery so that people can feel sorry for them and give them stuff for free. That’s the way hubbard thought and so that’s the way scn does. They don’t even support their own activities here. Criminon used to send out begging letters for paper so that they could print courses for the prisoners. They seem to be pretty much defunct now. Haven’t had any emails for a long time from them. Narconon is non existant as far as I know, and so is CCHR. I bet they wouldn’t use any money raised to even get those things up and running again.

    • Sherbet

      Good report, Draco. Just as we suspected.

      • Draco

        Thanks. Scientology is not yet dead…but it is in a coma and on life support in South Africa. The rest of Africa – non-existent.

        • Sherbet

          That’s what we like to hear!

    • Observer

      If people are having a hard life it’s because they are “downstat” and probably actually prefer being in misery so that people can feel sorry for them and give them stuff for free. That’s the way hubbard thought and so that’s the way scn does.

      As opposed to buying things on credit and borrowing money and not paying your bills or paying your friends back, like Hubbard did. That’s actively getting stuff for free and is nothing at all like passively sitting around with your hand out. By crackey, that’s the way Big Beings do it!

      • Sherbet

        It’s the “Do as I say, not as I do” religion.

      • Draco

        You’ve got it!

    • LongtimeLurker

      If one believes that Scientology works and is the only way to blah, blah…

      …why do passionate Scientologists not proudly stand up and say “Yeah, that’s right, we don’t give stuff to losers. The disenfranchised of the world pulled it in. Screw ’em. Now, who wants a Stress Test?”

      At least some members of other religions have the courage of their convictions (even if some of us might find them offensive).

      For example we’ve all heard the “AIDS is God’s punishment…” angle.

      Note that I’m not saying that’s the kind of thing I like to hear. But it is someone speaking thruthfully about their own religious views.

      While Scientology pretending to be charitable is speaking untruthfully (180° in fact) about Scientology’s world view.

      MAN AND WOMAN UP SCIENTOLOGY!

  • MostEthicalPimp

    /me makes popcorn for everybody!

    • Draco

      Thanks! Mine just ran out!

    • LongtimeLurker

      I’ve been scrolling up and down past this for 3 hours now, and it’s driving me nuts.

      Adding popcorn to shopping list.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Now that you you’ve enjoyed some popcorn. Click the heart click then goto youtube link for all the videos then like and subscribe to the them!

  • Ralph Hunter

    Little help here from the exes please, who is Barbara Schwartz and what and who is her weird ‘Marty ‘ blog about? Tres bizarre

    • LongtimeLurker

      Oooooohhhhh boy.

      How much did you read? And how did you end up there?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Who?

      (Refresh)

    • Observer
      • LongtimeLurker

        Encyclopedia Dramatica (for those who haven’t had the pleasure, ED is like a vicious, slanderous version of Wikipedia, for the purpose of humor) also has an entry on her, which I won’t link to because of the “fake racism/sexism for lulz” that is rife on the site.

        But if you Google it you can see a link to the poor, unwell woman’s confused reaction as if ED is a real reference site.

        It is both amusing and heart-breaking.

        • Observer

          I won’t read the ED entry. She is a truly tragic figure, and she breaks my heart to almost the same extent as Lisa McPherson.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You are right. I forget that she is both a victim and a nutcase. It’s sad.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah, occasionaly some ED stuff can be funny. Her page isn’t, if you know the reality.

            She’s so far from any possible help (in practical terms I mean, like she just won’t ever seek it) it’s terrible.

            I know there are unnamed, and unknown victims who have gone/are going through hell. And some of them may even be here. But of the ones who are pubicized I think a lot about Barbara Schwartz, Lisa McPherson, Quentin Hubbard, Gloria Lopez and Elli & Jeremy Perkins.

            Or maybe I should say I try not to think about them…

  • LongtimeLurker

    Hopefully this won’t jinx us.
    Refresh

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It is Thursday. And nearly 2:00 on the East Coast…

      • LongtimeLurker

        I was counting from this time yesterday to…just now as we’re talking…

        So we still win.

        Although I wasn’t here for a lot of yesterday, so maybe I’m completely wrong…

    • When I worked from home, I had a board counting the days since the last sabre duelling fatality on the premises. By that metric, I had a pretty good safety record.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I suspect I won’t have to change that “1” very often…

    • pluvo

      Are you sure?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Not really, I was away for some of yesterday.

        Did we have one?

        Or is there one here right now that I haven’t seen yet?

        Are you one?!

        AM I????!??!!!

        • pluvo

          I guess there are some ‘undercover’. I’m suspicious when sb is going too much of topic. I’m even suspicious of myself. To talk more about trolls than about the artifice subject is also falling int this category.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Right, I hear you.

            I guess I meant a really obvious one. Who comes in and actively insults and obviously derails.

            But stealth trolls are actually worse.

            • pluvo

              Actually the handling would be for these not to react/reply at all. But I have to admit that sometimes I don’t heed my own advice.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yep. If every one of us didn’t respond…

              They’d eventually have to leave…

              It’s hard.

    • Robert Eckert

      Bet the count takes a long time to get past 1

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah, I may not need to ever redo that shoop.

        Unfortunately.

  • LongtimeLurker

    I am LongtimeLurker and I support this idea AND also that Madison isn’t OSA.

    Although I suppose I could be, so…

    Well, anyway, this is a great idea!

    • Madison KinSmed

      Lurker, hard it would be for you as OSA. Games they play but create not.

      (Thinking about changing my name to Yoda not bc I’m wise but bc he’s my GPS voice and his grammar is kind of like German except he doesn’t make up words and oh, never mind…I need sleep!)

      • LongtimeLurker

        Awww…you’re lovely. (spot on Yoda talk too)

        Get some sleep!

        (I need some too, might try now…)

  • Joe

    I am a bit surprised that Scientology doesn’t serve as a common rallying point for both conservative and progressive individuals and groups, given that it is vehemently anti-LGBT and also incredibly pro-abortion. It’s probably the one thing that you can agree is unhealthy for people, no matter where your political sensibilities lie.

    Also, I love how they get so excited in how popular they are in Russia. It’s like bigoted, totalitarian hand meets bigoted, totalitarian glove.

    • Tony Ortega

      Scientology is not “pro-abortion.” In fact, Hubbard denounces abortion in no uncertain terms in Dianetics.

      Scientology COERCES abortion on young women to keep them in the Sea Org, working 100-hour weeks. That’s simply an outrageous crime that has nothing to do with the abortion rights debate in this country.

      • Tony Ortega

        But yes, you are right. It is surprising that more conservative groups don’t come out against Scientology because of the coerced abortions. It’s kind of a mystery.

        • They probably hit the religious cloaking and get confused because religious groups are automatically supposed to be on the Pro Life side.

          Either that or they do the calculation for the greatest good over the most dynamics…

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Frankly, I think it is because Scientology is such a tiny blip in the social landscape of the average conservative. When you get right down to it, Scientology has such a tiny, tiny footprint in this world that it is amazing they can pull off as many atrocities as they do. If it wasn’t for their creepy determination to follow the Tech, combined with a very large pile of cash, I doubt anyone would really pay any attention to them at all.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Your point about their tiny footprint vs their massive atrocity…shadow…is the crux of it for me.

            My housemate said to me a while back “Yeah, but why Scientology?”

            And my answer was, pound for pound I think it’s the most harmful extant cult. By a lot, imho.

            Obviously as I type this there could be another Aum Shinrikyo on the horizon, but you don’t really hear about those until they’ve commited the terrible act that also usually signals the end of their existence.

            • 9001

              Scamontology is the worst English speaking cult. But there’s definitely worse cults. The so called “Islamic State” is a death cult. Also watched Steve Hassan talk to someone who was in the MeK, an Iranian cult. It’s on youtube and I had no idea about them. But I don’t speak Arabic or Farsi. Hope the people who share info about them have a site like Tony’s!

          • Tony Ortega

            That would explain why they would ignore Scientology. But they don’t. Numerous conservative groups and individuals provide at least passive help to Scientology, which always mystifies me. And the relative size of Scientology has nothing to do with it.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Part of our task, then. I imagine a lot of these groups do not know who or what they are assisting. The folks at Pasadena First Nazarene were appalled when they found out that their facility was “hosting” a Scientology front group. But they would not have known if we hadn’t pointed it out to them.

        • JonHenke

          It’s not really a mystery. There are a couple reasons.

          First, Scientology just isn’t a big deal to most people. While many of us here pay close attention to Scientology, the vast majority of people know almost nothing about them beyond “that weird religion Tom Cruise is part of” and they certainly don’t know about things like the coerced abortions.

          Second, the coerced abortions are still just allegations. They may be compelling, substantial allegations, but until a whistleblower (or court order) reveals a smoking gun showing that coercion of abortion is official management policy, it’s probably difficult for pro-life organizations to actually do anything. Hell, I know and talk to plenty of pro-life people about this and I’m not even sure what I could recommend they do even if they were willing to do something. I mean, I’d love to do something, but…what?

          If you have ideas, I’d love to hear them.

      • Joe

        If Hubbard denounces abortion in Dianetics, I’m surprised how they can reconcile the alleged infallibility of his writings with their policy of encouraging women in the Sea Org to terminate their pregnancies. I suppose it’s more of their circular logic: you have to get an abortion so you can stay in the Sea Org and spread the word of Dianetics, including its prohibition on abortion.

        Either way, thanks for the clarification, Big T.

        • Draco

          Hi Joe. Another thing you will hear in scientology is “Purpose is senior to policy” Hubbard said this and they trot this out whenever something is done that is not per policy. Their purpose would be to keep one more sea org member on the job by coercing her into getting an abortion, so that is senior to Hubbard’s views on abortion.

          • Joe

            So basically the ends justify the means. Where have I seen that in history before. . .

          • George Layton

            The face of scientology is a promotional mask, the mind of scientology is a chaotic overlord.

        • pluvo

          The slogans is “The greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics”; everything is getting justified with this.

    • Robyn Capella

      I have to say that it always surprised me — particularly in LA and San Francisco — that Scientology’s anti-gay policies didn’t blow up in their face. Honestly, this was always a major point of ‘disagreement’ for me in Scientology, and I think for many others who were just not homophobic like Hubbard was. I believe they haven’t been as open about the whole ‘gays being 1.1’ point since the general public has become more progressive on sexuality.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Chris Shelton’s YouTube Video, “The Scientology Experience, Part 1: Getting In”

    I got into Scientology in 1977, and we can partially blame a Body Router for love-bombing me all the way down Main Street to the Salt Lake City Mission. There, I spent the next couple of months doing the Communications Course and the Hubbard Qualified Scientologist Course (“HQS”). Midway through the HQS, Sea Org (“SO”) recruits from the American Saint Hill Organization (“ASHO”) Day arrived to tell me half-truths about the Sea Organization. The two chicks in tight, white, crisp SO uniforms didn’t outright lie, but they didn’t tell me the truth about joining the SO. When I arrived on my first day in the SO, I found out then that the SO no longer sailed the ocean blue on ships, but sat landlocked in an old, neglected hospital complex (Cedar of Lebanon Hospital) filled with ghosts with whom I spent days fending off at the most bizarre times.

    My first day in the Sea Org turned into a battery of tests from the moment I got off the airplane at Los Angeles International, to the moment I got to the dusty, dirty, smelly buildings which I would help renovate, mostly from scratch, to what is now known as PAC Base. That first day turned into an all-nighter in which we worked round-the-clock to ready the Los Angeles Organization (“LA Org”) for her grand opening. I loved being on the Estates Project Force (“EPF”) where two hundred of us like-minded individuals were, Scientologists who had just joined the SO in their dedication for the next billion years in helping L. Ron Hubbard “Clear” the planet.

    Needless to say, I’m no longer in the SO or Scientology and help those who want to get out or those who just want to understand the insanity and complexity of such a cult.

    Is Earth “Clear” yet? Uh, hello, Scientology? Are you there? Are we there yet? Huh? Huh? Huh?

    • flyonthewall

      Thanks for sharing. I had a question. “(Cedar of Lebanon Hospital) filled with ghosts with whom I spent days fending off at the most bizarre times.” Are you speaking metaphorically here?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Well, I spent what seemed like days fending off ghosts. Real ghosts. Spirits I saw in the strangest places. It’s funny what gets left behind when a hospital, basically, abandons a building or a complex of buildings. Cedar of Lebanon hospital left behind a rather intact facility without staff, and the Estates Project Force (“EPF”) and the Rehabilitation Project Force (“RPF”) had to dismantle the equipment. The course room the EPF used in 1977 used to be the Intensive Care Unit (“ICU”) on the second floor in the Main Building (the one that faces Fountain Ave., and resembles the shape of a “v”); there were miles and miles of cables and cords along with complex medical machinery still hanging from the ceiling and walls that we studied Hubbard next to.

        A ghost or disembodied spirit materialized in that classroom’s little bathroom one day shortly before the lunch period ended. I walked into that restroom only to find this body-less spirit sitting on the toilet; I could “see” him, the hospital gown he wore, he looked at me in utter surprise and desperation, and in that moment I knew his “story”: he had been in ICU, not doing well, and the nurses had given him strict rules: no going to the bathroom unattended. Well, he did just that. Something must have happened to the poor guy, because there he sat, on the can, without a body, many years later. When I opened that bathroom door, I stepped into that poor guy’s past. In fact, the situation was so real, that I first gently closed the bathroom door after I saw him and apologized for the intrusion.

        Later, I had a visit from a disembodied spirit on the fourth floor of the Los Angeles Org (“LA Org”); two disembodied spirits on the four floor of the American Saint Hill Org (“ASHO”). Once, a spirit even “sat” on my bed in Lebanon Hall (part of PAC Base) while I got ready to go to sleep.

        • PlanetJ

          I would love to read more about your ghost encounters…it’s happened to me a few times before,too. I grew up in a house that’s now over 120yrs old (old dog trot farmhouse in north Mississippi) it was not an “antebellum” home by any means. But I’ve seen and I’ve heard things that are unexplainable. I wasn’t the only one that saw weird things either..my whole family and a few friends have too (a couple of the friends got so freaked out..they never would come back for a sleep over..lol).. my husband (we were dating at the time) witnessed something with me..so I know it wasn’t just my imagination. It turned into a normal occurrence,that things happened so often in and around my home. I got use to it.
          If you ever decide to write more about your experiences with the spirit world,like in a blog or something..or if you already have,would you mind letting me know? or give me a link?
          I also do a lot of photography in cemeteries..I’ve seen some strange things in some of those places too.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Cemeteries are the coolest places. I’ll make a note to post to JennyAtLAX dot wordpress the few ghost encounters I had in PAC Base while in the Sea Org. Would you like to hear about my alien encounter, too (no kidding)?

            • PlanetJ

              Absolutely!! I love all of that kind of stuff! 🙂
              Now I need to go book mark JennyAtLAX! lol
              No pressure..just whenever you get the time to do it..I’d love to read/hear about it! Thank you! xo

    • LongtimeLurker

      They left out the part where you wouldn’t be on a boat on the ocean.

      smh

      • Fred G. Haseney

        They sure did!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X
    Wonderful videos, phew.
    Thank you, Nora, Aaron, Chris and Robyn.

    Meanwhile, back in the Co$ world of faith misplaced
    and good intentions betrayed ….
    When Co$ frustrates, saddens or angers you,
    there is something YOU can do, regardless of location or time of day.
    Red-X flagging is therapeutic.
    We take down $cientology lies
    Flag them (Red-X) and/or complain to CL -it’s easy to do.
    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Tick Tock, Dave. Did you Big Beings break up?
    Are you happy for the lovely couple?
    Do you weep crocodile tears in your whisky?

    • Sherbet

      To the tune of “I Only Have Eyes for You”

      OT VIII, don’tcha know.
      Do my own stunts in every show.
      And I only have eyes for me!

      I’ve no need of a wife,
      ‘Cause I’ve found the great love of my life.
      And I only have eyes for me!

      I don’t know if I’m on the Freewinds,
      Or with Miscavige on a jet, yet…

      I am here, yes, I am.
      I’m in love with my favorite clam,
      A romantic and strong OT.
      And I only have eyes for me!

      • daisy

        Wow I didn’t know you did poetry too!!

  • Robert Eckert
    • LongtimeLurker

      I am not well-read about trances, hallucinations or hypnotism.

      But you know, the first time I heard about the staring thing, I thought “That seems like it could mess with you if you did it for long enough.”

      • It’s not a trance state as such but a state of dissociation in which you experience ‘strange face’ hallucinations.

        The trick, in Scientology, seem to be to induce such hallucinations in the early stages of training (TR0) and them ‘interpret’ them in terms of Scientology (e.g. as a glimpse of the ‘past lives’ that will be revealed in more advanced stages.

        It provides you with a compelling experience that keeps you interested.

      • Draco

        By the way, staring is not quite accurate. You are supposed to just look at the person. Comfortably and without going into a stare (as in a stare-down). Either way – the hallucinations do happen.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Interestingly, I sort of pictured it the way you describe it.

          I assumed it wasn’t a stare-down. Not sure why.

          But I didn’t now how else to say it.

          • Draco

            It is generally described as staring and it does seem to result in scilons making more than comfortable eye contact. Especially for people who aren’t used to it! Funny thing – it is much easier to stare at someone than to just look for a long period of time.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yeah. You would think most people would be leery.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I didn’t mean to come off as “I would never fall for Scientology.”

          They must ease you into the staring that’s not staring, right? LIke it doesn’t happen day 2 does it?

          • The first Training Routine (or TR) involves sitting with your eyes closed and ‘just being there’ – then you go straight to staring at another person. You have to be able to do this for at least two hours before you ‘pass’.

            The research mentioned earlier reported hallucinations occurring in carefully screened healthy volunteers after only ten minutes

            So – Scientology pretty much throws you in at the deep end. I suspect this is functional because, if you didn’t experience something remarkable up-front, you would soon give Scientology up out of sheer boredom.

            I have described all of the 12 Training routines practised in Narconon (which are, for all intents and purposes, identical to Scientology practice) here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/narconon-drug-rehabilitation-is-scientology-in-disguise-the-evidence-part-2-beginning-training-routines/ and here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/narconon-drug-rehabilitation-is-scientology-in-disguise-the-evidence-part-3-more-training-routines/ using their own workbooks for reference.

            The TRs just get weirder (and yes – they do include shouting at an ashtray).

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’ve read about the TRs before. How did I forget that it was TR0?

              I must have subconsciously moved it. lol.

              Wow. You’re right though, they have to front load it with something good otherwise people

              would get the hell out.

              Thanks for the reply AND the links.

            • The strange experiences that people get from TR0 also occasionally convince them that there is ‘something in’ Scientology.

              I have spoken here with a number of ‘Independent Scientologists’ who refuse point blank to consider any other interpretation – including one who appeared to be convinced that he had been provided with evidence of an afterlife (or, at least, another human incarnation after this one).

              Their explanation for why subsequent training did not live up to its promise was that Miscavige had corrupted the tech and that one experience (whose power had doubtless grown in memory) kept the practising long after they would otherwise have given up.

            • LongtimeLurker

              “Miscavige corrupted the tech”

              That doesn’t explain all the people who eventually became disillusioned with pre-Miscavige tech.

              True about the growing in memory thing.

            • Well, there always has been an ‘Independent’ sector in the form of ‘Squirrel’ groups. However, they could not organise until the advent of the Internet.

              Post-Miscavige (and post -Internet) a whole sub-culture grew up that provided not only a ready-made rationale but also (mostly online) social support for that particular rationalisation.

              Pre-Miscavige (and pre-Internet) people had a harder job of reconciling the promise of those early experiences with the reality of Scientology. Even then, you read of those who acknowledge that Hubbard behaved badly but remain convinced that Scientology is still valid.

              This is a difficult to argument to counter because it’s kind of true – you don’t have to be Saint to discover something useful. It is their initial strange experience of Scientology that is holding them back from making the final step and seeing that Scientology itself it worthless.

              In short, there were probably always people who took the ‘corrupted tech’ approach. It was not until the Internet united independents that one particular narrative (it’s all Miscavige’s fault) emerged.

            • pluvo

              “However, they could not organise until the advent of the Internet.”

              There was/is the “Freezone” which organized before the Internet, AFAIK.

            • That’s true. I didn’t realise it went back that far.

              However, I think my point still stands – that it wasn’t until the advent of the Internet that ex-Scientologists could find such groups and communicate easily with them.

              It is at this point that ‘Miscavige corrupted the tech’ became an accessible narrative with social support and an established point of view.

              Before the ‘net, it was significantly more difficult to interact with a group of people who were of the same mind (like the Freezone) . Consequently, Independents were more likely to come up with their own rationalisations, or drift away to other fringe beliefs for lack of support.

    • You can download the full text of that paper here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/the-compelling-effects-of-simply-staring-understanding-the-scientology-mindset-part-13/

      This post includes my account of how the research described applies to Scientology and ‘TR0 – Confronting’ in particular.

      • Robert Eckert

        Thanks

  • randomity

    That dianetics beemer is nice, but I like this one better.

    • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

      I’m BACK bitches!

  • nottrue

    Scientologists need to be shipped to huge cinemas and strapped to their chairs and forced to watch Nora , Aaron , and Chris videos. I know that would fix them….

    • That would be something!!!

    • Draco

      You could throw in some pain and sex to make it really interesting…No? I will put away the BAD Draco now…

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      I’m sure the Sea Org members would welcome the time off.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    What a great job you’ve done on that video Nora! You have special talent in the way you engage the viewers. I was raising my hand, and I had no alcohol, but Iam now wa-wa-wired on coffee from playing the drinking game.

    • Thank you!! Hopefully you aren’t too wired!! That Psychs drinking game can get dangerous!

  • Madison KinSmed

    “Scientological gobbledygook” is a perfect descriptor for lrh words!

    • Draco

      IKR? And much more scientific than said gobbledygook 🙂

    • Todd Tomorrow

      That gave me a belly laugh.

  • Madison KinSmed

    David Miscavige is short bc perversion of the joy of creation by sex.

    Doesn’t scientology know that psychiatry has moved beyond Freud?

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Doesn’t scientology know that psychiatry has moved beyond Freud?”

      No, they really don’t.

      And the ones who do know, want the general public to believe it hasn’t.

      Drives me nuts.

      • Madison KinSmed

        Me, too .being driven nuts by scientology, I mean.

        I also find it unbelievable that US scamatoligists believe psychs want to lock children and others up in insane asylums. There aren’t really any “insane asylums” any more (at least in the U.S. and I believe it’s the same in Great Britain and Australia) so psychiatrists aren’t “locking people up”.

        Most state run psychiatric hospitals in the U.S. are long gone because of the deinstitutionalization movement of the 1970’s. There are few long-term in-patient treatment options for mentally ill people, including nursing homes. In fact, many states have regulations that specifically prohibit nursing homes from accepting the mentally ill.

        Many severely mentally ill people are homeless or in jail or prison.

        (Dox: http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1476179307001085)

        Prozac and other modern psychiatric medicines save lives. They aren’t perfect but they’re a whole lot better than “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” illustrated. And, although I don’t know the exact details/timing of Hubbard’s experience with mental health experts, things are absolutely better than they were even as recently as the 1980’s.

        Health professionals may be too quick to put children on ADHD medicine. I personally think more time for movement during school and more time spent outside in a natural environment would be a better option for many kids. But, there is also no doubt in my mind, that ADHD is real and for some people, better living through chemistry.

        Oh, Geeze, Madison, shut up and go to sleep! Sorry for the rant. I going on 3 nites with very little sleep….

        • LongtimeLurker

          SLEEP!

          I’m not going to reply to this awesome comment until later, because I want to do it justice and I’m too tired also.

          But it’s awesome.

          • Madison KinSmed

            Sleep, too!

          • daisy

            We think the same people are brilliant. It is looking good.

        • daisy

          I wish my rants were as cogent and articulate as yours. I mostly swear. If that is you on 3 insomniac days. You should just stay up.

    • Sherbet

      Heck, no. They still think heavy sedatives and lobotomies are every-day treatments for the most minor of psychological issues, even in children.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Even way back when he wrote that initial “atrocity list” of what psychs can get away with (you know, the one that reveals a lot about the mind of the man who wrote it) he got stuff wrong.

        Possibly deliberately, possibly just because he was the world’s worst researcher.

        And at least some of the Scientologists I’ve spoken to online believe psychs are even now committing the same ludicrously evil imaginary acts.

        We’d all be tripping over the bodies of molested, drugged and electrocuted patients in the street if it was even half true.

        • Sherbet

          There you go, citing facts. lrh and scientology never bothered with those.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Stupid wog facts.

          • Madison KinSmed

            Hah! Spot on!

        • daisy

          Your too smart , how am I suppose to feel superior.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      When you’ve never read a single book or article on the subject that your church wouldn’t approve of, it’s difficult to know much about psychiatry. Unlike Scientology where only church members in good standing are qualified to voice an opinion about it (always positive,) one can be completely ignorant of psychiatry yet supremely qualified to criticize it.

  • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

    Little known FACT. Hubbard contrary to popular belief is NOT doing research on target two. Truth is the guy is long dead and ain’t comin back.

    Deal with it.

    • B4you

      You look like a Girl.

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        More along the lines of being unisexual. You interested or sumthin?

  • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

    I have a lot of catching up to do. Sooooo,lets dance.

    http:youtu.be/jyCMkay9XRY

  • Newiga

    Three new videos!? I’m in for a treat once I get to sit down and relax.

  • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

    Funny how scilons use tin cans. We go much deeper,finding a nice cold anal probe gets far better results.

    • LongtimeLurker

      How much can you guys learn from anal probing?

      I mean, you keep doing it. Surely a few hundred procedures would get you a big enough sample size, but you’ve gotta be in the 1000s by now.

      Also, the cattle-mutilations…?

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        Hey! Aliens need to make a buck too.

        As to cattle mutilations? That is you humans behaving very badly. You all have some serious cults on that planet of yours.

    • Sherbet

      No pants, I’ll bet. Why, why, why do the grey people never wear clothes?

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        Think of it as on par with your Free The Nipple campaign.

        • Sherbet

          That’s not MY Free The Nipple campaign, thankyouverymuch, ET.

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            You have no nipples? If you are human,how did this happen?

            • Sherbet

              Nope, no comeback for that. You win. This time.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              I win? Can I haz gummy bears please.

            • Sherbet

              Do you haz teeth?

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              No. I just like the feel of them. That and the colors.Oh the colors!

            • Sherbet

              Groovy.

          • daisy

            I didn’t have to even know what the troll said to warrant that response and I howled anyway.

    • ze moo

      Why does your species use proctologists as astronauts?

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        As we have no anus,we are constantly amazed at what other species put in their pie holes. It also reveals a lot about the individual.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Pardon me Mr. Xenu Sir, are you planning to head to Hemet or Clearwater or wherever the Rabid Runt is hanging out and take care of that boil on the butt of humanity? 😀

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        Please call me Uncle X dear. As we have overcome time travel,I can tell you the future is not going to be nice to DM. His Karmic bank is about to break wide open.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Thank you Uncle X. I look forward to it.

          • Miss Tia

            OT: email check please?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Got it. Responded.

      • Madison KinSmed

        “Rabid runt” – lol 47x!

        ETCKindleautocorrect (correct that, you stupidy Kindle!)

  • Panopea Abrupta

    I am an avowed admirer of Fred’s reconnoiter reports of Sunset and N. Vermont,
    with photos of body-routers and desperation.

    Here’s a little fun with words.

    For Fred G. Haseney
    A Blow Story

    A hard day, a very hard week – so I was especially souciant and chalant.
    I tried and failed to appear gruntled and consolate though my synthetic
    S.O. uniform and equally synthetic smile might seem descript and in
    total array to the casual observer.

    Despite my being kempt, shevelled and moving down Sunset in a gainly way,
    I was clearly cognito to the SP with the camera who I could see hide and hair
    of at the corner of N. Vermont.
    This meant there were two ways about it – it was not evitable
    that someone as flappable as I could rouse the necessary bridled passion
    to confront and shatter.

    Beknownst to me and I would have to make bones about it, he was
    not being peccable as he took photo after photo for the Bunker.
    It would be skin off my nose if anything toward happened – I certainly could not
    use heard-of behaviour to deal with an SP and ex-SO of such swerving loyalty.

    It was concerting to me that we were communicado and I felt capacitated
    and nerved. I acted with mitigated gall, made my way through the ruly crowd
    with strong givings.

    I was plussed.
    I was mayed that he smiled and told me call my mother.
    Our conversation became very choate and sipid.
    We spoke to avail.
    I blew.

    • Sherbet

      Clever!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Bravo!

      lol

    • ze moo

      Parallel parking is so hard, even for OTs

      • daisy

        heehhee

    • Graham

      I know OTs are always supposed to be able to find a parking space but this is just ridiculous 😉

    • Draco

      “And suddenly, this parking space just opened up in front of me!!! There used to be a wall there, but my OT Powerz made it just …disappear!!!! Life as an OT is just so awesome!!!!”

    • Miss Tia

      that’s part of a bridge it crashed into, right?

      • Draco

        Snort!

  • salin

    Misnomer – a title or name given that characterizes the content.
    Misnomer of the day – SFbayarea Craig’s List ad:

    Live life the way YOU want to live it

    Of course nowhere in the ad does it mention Scientology or LRon Hubbard. Bait and Switch. Not even stretching the truth – but completely inverting it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “By YOU, we mean WE.”

      • salin

        And we mean Ron

  • FOTF2012

    Great videos. Got me thinking about years past. Major events were such a cult-fest — you had to display your impeccable “TRs in” at all times and be disgustingly and effusively “uptone” at all times. You know, that fixed, dedicated, manic glare that affirms we would rather have you dead than unable.

    At one event in a major city, I was assigned to be the escort (read keeper) of a newspaper owner who was on the fence about supporting Scientology. Everything he balked at that the speakers were saying and the mindless approving roars of the auditorium crowd were actually the same things I balked inwardly at — things that I think any intelligent, un-indoctrinated person would balk at. I found myself playing the role of apologist — “well, it doesn’t really mean what that sounded like; here’s how it actually works …” or “here’s what that term means, and this is the context of that,” and so on.

    I guess I failed in my role as keeper: the newspaper owner came away with the correct analysis that the cult was kooky pseudoscience built on false authority. I also failed in that I never quite achieved the absolute mental shutdown of full true believer.

    The cult is not just dangerous due to it’s money-sucking, family-destroying, abortion-demanding, lie-promoting ways: its “tech” can and does cause intense psychological and social isolation, pain, and suffering among a certain percentage of its parishioners. The result is that it takes many people years to recover, and some never get that far (read https://theyshouldnothavedied.wordpress.com or http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/, if you have the stomach for it).

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thanks so much for sharing FOTF2012. I’m glad you’re out.

      Do you have the time to give an example of one of the things that the speakers were saying that you and he balked at?

      I’m sure I could take 10 or 20 good guesses, but I’d be interested to know one that stands out to you, if you can remember.

      Obviously, feel no obligation to answer, and I understand if you don’t.

      • FOTF2012

        There are two things that come to mind. In terms of context, this was pre-Y2K — and the Earth had to be “cleared” by the turn of the century, for there was a nuclear war coming, though the event I am recalling was probably well before that “turn of the century” mandate — which obviously was a huge success (not).

        The two things were:
        1. The putting down of the rest of the world — wogs, wog tech, anything to do with other religions, psychology, etc.It was the background whereby speakers sought to diminish everyone else to make their own brilliant KSW efforts look golden (hey, isn’t that how SPs work — hold everyone else down?).

        2. The gung-ho and rather arrogant attitude of the speakers and the crowd that they had the right and the only solution and that they were going to clear the planet by salvaging everyone worth saving (to hell with DBs, SPs, theetie-weetie dilettantes, and so forth).

        So as I recall it was largely the tone and hype that could not be defended, but I think there were some claims about exteriorization and the implicit mind-body dualism that it entailed, and confusion between brain, mind and thetan in Scientology’s “theology.” (Brain is the physical stuff in the skull; mind is mental image pictures and various mechanisms created knowingly or unknowingly by the thetan, and the thetan is the person him/herself or that which is aware of being aware, etc.).

        The conference was a big one — I’d say several thousand people at least. So some of my apologetics probably went along the lines of trying to diffuse the speaker generalities, blanket tarnishing of other groups, and demand for Nazi-like zeal in taking over the world — getting everyone clear was only part of it: there was also getting in power politically and in the judicial system as well as economically.

        I’m sure I am adlibbing liberally but that’s what comes to mind. As I recall, the newspaper guy deciding Rolfing would give better results in his judgment.

      • FOTF2012

        PS Now I am remembering another conference where Diana and Quentin Hubbard walked by me. He seemed like a decent guy, though a little stuffy. She seemed like a smug, arrogant thing — I never talked to her so I could be way off. Of course Quentin died in what was termed a suicide but which some think is very suspicious. And I guess Diana is still in, dethroned, doing probably some grunt work in some back office. Maybe she and Shelly Miscavige have become friends.

    • I suspect that you were by no means alone – that people do not so much ‘believe in’ Scientology as suspend disbelief due to social pressure.

      This is why the level of coercive control and social isolation escalates as you move through the ‘advanced’ levels. Greater control is required as doctrines progressively become less credible and greater commitment is required of you.

      This is where Scientology’s practice of isolating members from each other (e.g ‘verbal tech’ and the snitching culture of ‘ethics’) comes into play. Almost everyone has some serious doubts, but they think that everyone else is a ‘true believer’ and dare not express them.

      If practising Scientologist were given a magic truth serum, and allowed to talk to each other for a short period I think the whole illusion would collapse in very short order.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Are our evil masters at Big Pharma working on such a wonder serum?

      • pluvo

        “If practising Scientologist were given a magic truth serum, and allowed to talk to each other for a short period I think the whole illusion would collapse in very short order.

        Certainly (they wouldn’t even need a truth serum)!

        The ‘experts’ on communication (“communication is the universal solvent”) are practicing censoring of communication through many rules and disconnection.

        They are claiming to be ‘humanitarians’ and are very much in violation with article 19 of “The Universal Declaration of Human Rights”: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

      • Draco

        “Almost everyone has some serious doubts, but they think that everyone else is a ‘true believer’ and dare not express them.”
        It get even more complicated than this OB. We sometimes knew that others felt the same way and were sick of the crap and hype, but worried that we would make their “disaffection” worse by adding our doubts to theirs. There was also always the fear that the person you are talking to would get “handled” on his doubts and then be pushed to spill the beans about who he has been talking to. I have seen this happen more than once. The next thing you know, the ethics officer is knocking at your door…

        • I have found the psychological concept of pluralistic ignorance https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-5-pluralistic-ignorance/ useful in understanding why Scientology isolates its own members from each other but you experience goes beyond that ,into a hall of mirrors.

          Do you think that Scientologists are so occupied with safely navigating this hazardous social environment (and avoiding being disciplined) that they genuinely do not have the spare mental capacity to expend on examining their doubts?

          • pluvo

            There is censoring and self-censoring. As in Orwell’s “1984”.

          • Draco

            Good question! Hmmm…. I can’t answer for others, but for me it was like this:
            I was not a huge fan of fundamentalism, so the really fanatical scilons whose every utterance was about scn, did not appeal to me. I also knew they would be the ones to write KRs if you said something not quite right. I nodded politely and generally avoided them.
            I felt safe talking to a very few close friends (some of them I have since liberated :)), but I was always aware that if they had auditing, stuff I said would get out. I still had a delightful sense of doing something naughty when chatting to the about things we felt were off!
            I always felt I should be more dedicated and spend more time in the org, but being basically lazy, I never got around to being a regular.
            The main thing that kept me in, were my friends. Even when I was seriously thinking things were not quite what they seemed, I still felt that I would never leave because all my closest peeps were scilons. That is one of the big traps – getting you involved with friends and work and slowly it becomes your whole world. So even those that are not on course regularly are still very involved with scientologists on many levels. And God help you if you have family in as well.
            I don’t know that all this took up much thought on my part; it just became part of the way I behaved. Some people were safe, some weren’t. If you were reasonably smart, you figured out which were which and didn’t really get too involved with the rest.
            I would say that I would shy away from giving things I was unhappy with really deep thought. I knew that going down that road would change everything for me, and that thought is scary.

            • Thank you for that insight.

              You might be interested in a book by Janja Lalich entitled “Bounded Choice” https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/01/13/bounded-choice/

              Lalich was once a member of what she now describes as a ‘political cult’ and describes the process by which social isolation leads to people placing limits on the things that they allow themselves to think.

            • Draco

              Thanks Once Born – will check it out.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hey, who’s our person in Copenhagen?

    • Sherbet

      (We have a Finn, but I didn’t know we had a Dane.)

      • Newiga

        I live in the WRONG Scandinavian country… Story of my life… x(

        xD

        • Sherbet

          It’s not too late to move if Tony needs you.

          • Newiga

            Hahahaa! That would be win-win. Denmark is the only Scandinavian country I haven’t been to.

            • Sherbet

              The Little Mermaid weeps for you.

    • B4you

      I am one hour away from CPH? Need anything?

      Disclaimer: I am not a Mermaid.

      • Tony Ortega

        New “Ideal” Narconon opening outside Copenhagen on Saturday. Would be nice to have a correspondent there sending us photos and texts.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Mmmmmmmm.

          I could go for some warm cheese Danish…

          • Sherbet

            Herring.

          • B4you

            What is that? 🙂

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              A type of pastry.

            • B4you

              We don’t use cheese 🙂 but i know what you mean!

        • B4you

          Ok ill do it, i have time and so and such!
          What time and what are the coordinates 🙂

          • Tony Ortega

            Email me.

            • B4you

              OK! Where do i find that or what is it.

            • Tony Ortega

              Listed at the end of every post.

            • B4you

              mail send.

  • pluvo

    To Nora Crest’s video

    Not only does Hubbard dramatize his own case and foist it on others (the movie “American Beauty” comes into my mind) – blaming ‘the psychs’ again, he is also using it as a control mechanism*.
    He is making here everybody who has fun with sex looking kind of crazy and a ‘victim’ of the ‘psychs’.
    And didn’t he also say that everybody is responsible for his own condition? So what is it: the psychs’ fault or your own responsibility? Contradictions, hypocrisy, doublespeak and thought policing and behavior control.

    * “The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.”
    “The demand for purity creates a guilty milieu and a shaming milieu by holding up standards of perfection that no human being can attain.”
    Dr. Robert J. Lifton in “Common Cult Characteristics/ The Demand for Purity”: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cultinfo.html#behavior

    • ze moo

      It is all about control. If you don’t want to be controlled by the psychs, let us control you. Don’t surrender to them, surrender to us.

      The target of the smear can be anyone, communists, capitalists, any religious/racial/national group. The ‘savior’ group can be anyone too. Ain’t twisted logic fun? All it takes is a little buy in.

    • Absolutely. Control control control. Not winning. Not becoming “cause” over the universe. CONTROL. That’s it. Slavery.

      • pluvo

        Hubbard’s own definition of slavery: “positioned in another’s time and space.” Duh!

  • Ben Franklin

    The Church of Scientology is indeed a hate group. One of the best
    arguments I have ever come across for classifying the Church of
    Scientology as a hate group was made by Michael Pattinson in this
    interview:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3zcGqt8nGo

    • Mark Foster

      Ben: very, very, very good point. Jeffrey Augustine riffs on the whole superior race angle, which is aligns with the hate group designation. Let´s add Fair Game and Disconnection to the mix to really drive the point home.¨Hate Group¨ is an appropriate designation.

      • Ben Franklin

        When one looks at it, it is a hate group but because they pretend to be a religion they have managed to escape being identified as a hate group. To cover for their abuses and hate of various groups of people, they use front groups with noble sounding words such as “human rights”, “tolerance”, “Justice” “Fairness”. In hope that people will never question their integrity because they “support” human rights, justice, tolerance, fairness, equality, etc.

    • Observer

      OMX! Best. Thing. Ever!

    • Sherbet

      Just what we need — a dianetics book that goes out and drags people into the org all by itself. Body routers not needed.

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        We have been observing this trend for some time. Due to the lack of meat bodies,the scilon clampire is going the robotic route.

        • Sherbet

          Good for you, being cutting edge and all that! Any truth to the rumor that Telexes will soon be replaced by the much more modern Fax?

          • Mark Foster

            No, due to the imminent apocalypse starring the 4th Invader Force, it´s pigeons and Morse Code on deck…

            • Sherbet

              God, I missed your wit, Mr. F.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Marcabs are pussies.

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            Dial up is pretty cool. You should try it.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for the tip. I’ll try it with my Compuserve account.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Telex gags. Never get old.

            • Sherbet

              I hope not. (Unless you’re being sarcastic.)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Sarcastic? Moi?

            • Sherbet

              Perhaps…

        • Rasha

          Try socks. That’s what both of us here in the Bunker did!

          • Sherbet

            Don’t lie. There were 4 Bunkerites and 447 socks at last count.

            • Rasha

              Check the dryer filter. We’re missing one.

            • Sherbet

              Roger that.

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            My lower appendages are not really suited to the wearing of socks.

        • That dianetics suit would be a good place for a… visitor… to hide, and observe mankind.

          You wouldn’t stoop so low, would you? I mean, cattle mutilation and anal probing is one thing, but that is beyond the pale.

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            I am WAY too advanced to go down that road. Oh,we don’t do cattle mutilations. We be PETA peeps.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Both funny and very sad.

      • Mostly just funny XD

        • LongtimeLurker

          I just felt bad for him walking endlessly through life being ignored.

          On the other hand…Dianetics.

          • . . .

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ow! Good one.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Looks like Ronald McDonald is looking for a new job.

    • Rasha

      childish….urge ….to…… pummel……..

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Beautiful! But not as beautiful as…

      (refresh)

      • ithilien

        Did you know one of them was mary tyler moore ?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I had never heard that MTM was a dancing cigarette package. I do know she was the glamorous legs of Richard Diamond’s secretary “Sam,” for the early episodes of Richard Diamond, Private Detective. Sam was seen only from the waist down!

    • Observer

      I can’t stop watching it!

      • Me either XD
        It doesn’t get old!

        • Observer

          I like to imagine a soundtrack of muffled curses.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT – Yesterday A friend asked me why this, in Tony’s Upcoming Appearances list;
    “Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)”

    And I said, “well you wouldn’t want to give it away too early in case they bought the venue and closed it down.”

    We laughed…and then stopped suddenly and just looked at each other.

    • Sherbet

      Ah, yes, cos’s new Ideal Venue program…

      • LongtimeLurker

        I know that’s not why Tony hasn’t announced it, but I bet if they had their act together more, it’s the kind of crap they’d try.

        As it is, either the telex would arrive late or the slush-fund account number would have changed or something else would screw it up.

        Miscavige probably doesn’t even know whether or not we speak English down here.

        • Sherbet

          He doesn’t care. All he needs to know is the dollar exchange rate.

    • Tony Ortega

      The venue wants to make the announcement, and asked me not to say anything for now.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I was almost 100% sure that was the case.

        But come on, like Scientology wouldn’t love to pull that crap?

  • Sherbet

    For your afternoon musical interlude, I’ve posted a little ditty in honor of the lovely TC, downthread a few feet.

  • Richard

    A few clam jokes.

    A sexually transmitted disease sometimes associated with Scientologists.

    Clamydia.

    How do Scientologists attain spiritual freedom?

    They clamber up the Bridge.

    How does Scientology make sure that everyone obeys their rules?

    They have a clampdown.

  • Hamtaro

    So…Scientology is busy regging and squandering untold millions attempting to open the Scientology Media Productions facility that no one is interested in. Meanwhile, the SPs are already utilizing their shoestring budgets to produce “highest ever” original content for the net, which is viewed by tens of thousands on the first day.

    Sounds good to me.

  • Jimmy3

    We Mock Your Human Rights

  • Tony Ortega

    Cardone ad added to the post. Check it out!

    • Jimmy3

      Is it Sunday already?

    • And it was such a pleasant day till now 🙁

      • Newiga

        Thankfully, I played Nora’s drinking game… I tkoo aa drink evry tiem sche said psychs… I meen schxe… Pain….

        • Newiga

          Didn’t help. Cardone is still too much for the optic nerve.. So… looking for a nanny who basically bathes in Kool-Aid? What kind of requirements are those?

    • Mark

      Puh-lease, Tony: not while we’re having dinner; you’ve quite spoilt my appetite…

    • Science Doc

      Elaina I’m sure has her own additional requirements involving the potential to catch a wandering eye.

      • Must be: Over 55, fat and have a lazy eye. Warts and/or a bad hip a plus XD

        • Todd Tomorrow

          That might actually be Grant’s type.

        • daisy

          I can apply !!! yeah Can you all get me up to speed for the scientology interview ?

  • Mark

    Nora: go it, girl! Aaron: footbullet bullseye! Chris and Robyn: when’s part two?

    As for those bonus photos: despite the pretty fiction that squandering millions on supremely inept PR will have “public flooding up the Bridge”, this stuff only affects those inside the Scientology bubble—the young most of all, Heaven help them… (Don’t refresh until you’ve checked under the bed first):

    • <3

    • Sherbet

      That’s way worse than the “I didn’t study for my exam!!” nightmare.

      • Mark

        What, even than the “I didn’t study for my exam and I’m stark naked!!!” one?

        • Sherbet

          That’s the one.

          • Mark

            Or the “I didn’t study for my exam and I’m stark naked and the exam is having to pick the carrot-bits out of the Irish stew we had for lunch at school today” one.

            • Sherbet

              And “Mark put all the carrot-bits he picked out of his Irish stew into my shoes.” I HATE that one.

              BTW, is that a knight in a suit of armor, or a guy in a haz-mat suit for protection against the dianetics book?

            • Mark

              I think it’s someone stuck in a whole-track incident due to the lack of a tin-opener.

            • Sherbet

              😀

          • Teachers have that nightmare too — but it’s more of a Oops I didn’t write an exam and THERE’S NO COFFEE! kind of thing XD

        • Draco

          “What, even than the “I didn’t study for my exam and I’m stark naked!!!” one?”

          No the “I didn’t study for my exam and I’m stark naked and sitting on the toilet … in the classroom!!!” one.

    • Tune in next week for Part 2!

      • Mark

        Ooh goody! 🙂

      • Draco

        Yay!

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      Thanks!

  • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

    This just in. Our operatives have been attempting to eradicate the fearful hair mutants for eons. It has come to our attention your nations newest idiot has been infested by these human brain eating creatures.

    Proceed with extreme caution as these creatures cause irreversible brain damage and rapid incoherent movements of the pie hole.

  • Well Grant I meet ALL your requirements. I am an EXCELLENT mother, two gorgeous boys of my own, thank you very much. I have a LOT of Auditor training that I got on the RPF and I am a Professor of Scientology with 2 RTC passes on TR’s 0-9, I am DEFINITELY above 4.0 on the Tone Scale because I am no longer suppressed by Scientology. I can help you with that too.

    • Sid

      I doubt Grant has enough money to pay you to make it worth putting up with his arrogant shit.

    • Joe

      Nothing gets to the bottom of who ate cookies before dinner like a good, old fashioned sec check.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Scientology Nanny starring Nora Crest and featuring Grant Cardone, the Little Cardones, and Elena Cardone as the Beaver.

      Now there’s a reality show for for for SMP!

    • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

      You are over qualified. Next!

    • LongtimeLurker

      So Nora, in your knowledgeable opinion…they get someone who fits all the criteria (not you, sorry) and then it all goes horribly wrong because…well they’re the Cardones.

      Who can they blame that on without including Scientology?

      I mean, some Auditing experience, Tone 4.0, Comm Course etc etc. It’s not like an SP or PTS could have made it through all that, right?

      And yet the damn nanny couldn’t do a single thing to the Cardone’s satisfaction and then attempted suicide to get the hell away from them (for example).

      So how do two big beings “cognitive dissonance” their way out of that one?

      • They do because they are “exterior” to the physical universe and nothing that happens here affects them. So if someone turned out to be a dud it would of course be totally that persons fault and probably a person inside their company that was trying to suppress them who had recommended the nanny in the first place. Not Grant or his wifes fault. They are BIG beings and are working for the salvation of mankind. They shit gold.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You said it!

          (refresh)

        • LongtimeLurker

          But somehow also not a failure of Scientology itself that an experienced clam-nanny was a dud?

          • NO NEVER. Of course not. She was clearly just a no case gain SP that had “fooled” everyone.

            • LongtimeLurker

              But how can you fool…

              That’s okay, I know the answer.

              smh

    • Mockingbird

      I would let you spend time with my kids.

      • Awwww thanks!!! That would be lovely!!

        • Mockingbird

          😉 FYI they are 24 and 27.

          • That means we could have drinks and hang out! Even better!!

            • Mockingbird

              lol. 🙂

          • daisy

            Hee heee

    • Oh Nora, you should so be applying for that nanny position. If you were to get a call back, it would be comedy gold.

      • RIGHT??? I am SOOOOOO Tempted to send a video to her. I mean the email address is just CALLING to me.

        • Do it. I’m telling you, just do it. I think they’d be so impressed by your Scientology pedigree, experience, etc. Just tell them everything except the part about you being declared. I’d love to hear the result.

          • Ohhh yeah. It would be great to see how long it would take them to find out that I was declared and would they respond at all.

            • Draco

              I double dares ya!!
              :))

            • arcinva

              I triple-dog dare you!

  • Mark

    I have just one thing to say to the Cardones…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The again, you never want to go full Psycho Nanny:

      • Mark

        I hope you realise this means I’ll have to go on a late-period Bette-in Britain film-binge (The Nanny AND The Anniversary) now…

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I could think of a lot worse ways to spend what’s left of a Thursday…

      • Todd Tomorrow

        My God, it’s Mrs. Anderson the nicest nanny we ever had. And her apple pie tarts were to die for. R.I.P. She taught us a creepy song about the Titanic sinking on our old piano! “Husband and wives, little children lost their lives it was sad when the great ship went down, Ker Plunk!”

    • MostEthicalPimp

      F5 mark!

  • LongtimeLurker

    Cardone ad – “Above 4.0 on Tone a Scale”

    Is that rogue “a” from the Comm Course or the Learning How To Learn, Grant?

    Every single time, whether it’s 2 lines of social media or 2000 words. Amazing.

    ps – Tell me I’m right…there’s just the one Scale…there isn’t an actual “Tone a Scale”, right?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      He speak-a the comic Italiano!

      • Mark

        Atsa right!

      • Jimmy3

        Its’a me, Ham’a Hock!

        • LongtimeLurker

          You’re all very funny.
          loling

  • Sunny Sands

    If I were Elena, I would be circulating my need for a nanny among my friends, other mothers, and family, and getting personal references. Not having my husband put it on Facebook.

    • Jimmy3

      Grant probably sees it as some type of reality show competition. Like so many will flock to be his nanny that he’ll need obstacle courses and shit to decide a winner.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You mean… like this:

        • Jimmy3

          There ya go.

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        We have been keepin a eye on u J3. Our concern being the amount of time you spend in the basement. Whats up wit dat?

        • Jimmy3

          It’s a lovely basement. It’s my happy place. That’s all.

          • LongtimeLurker

            There goes my theory UXVLT was you.

            Unless you’re Jimmy3x2Devices. hmmm

            • flyonthewall

              u think everyone is jimmy

            • LongtimeLurker

              I do. My second choice was you, smart guy.

            • You are not very good at this game yet 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              This is only the 3rd time I’ve seen it happen.

              Is it me?

            • No, I’m confused too.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Is it you?

              Maybe it’s you AND me?

              woah

            • Most likely that’s it XD

            • Draco

              No – it’s weird shit and distracting. Maybe that’s the aim.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah.

              I shouldn’t have replied.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              OSA

            • Hahaha!

            • Jimmy3

              lol no shit.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              I am offended by your statement. Comparing me to clover is very insulting. On another note. I am in need of some yellow cake. One of our DC-8,s is having issues.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You mean like the uranium concentrate powder obtained from leach solutions…or the cake?

            • I thought he meant a urinal caek
              XD

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s why you’re not in charge of the reactor.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              I haz no genitals,so your comment is meaningless to me humor wise.

            • Quiet Fly. I’m still annoyed about the scallop correction 😉

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              OK.

            • flyonthewall

              dude it’s not freakin’ me

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              I’m pretty fly for a white guy.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              We are having a centrifuge problem at the moment. Seriously want to get off this rock.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah. So do some of us.
              Sucks doesn’t it?

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            Do you haz hot pockets too?

            • flyonthewall

              is that what you’re angling for, hot pockets? get your own hot pockets!

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Where,s mah fly swatter?

        • Is he cramping your style down there XD

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            No. He reminds me of those other pesky kids Flyonthewall and Flyonthewall2.0

            • flyonthewall

              RED ALERT! RED ALERT!

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              What? You a Joe McCarthy fanboi or sumthin?

            • flyonthewall

              f5

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              f5

            • flyonthewall

              Lego fly is impervious to poison.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Oh yes! Lego. We have the cure for that.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Burned them bridges over on WWP again?

            • flyonthewall

              Wow, you really are cracked aren’t you? I never go to WWP

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Yeah,right.

            • flyonthewall

              *shrug*

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Dox or STFU

            • flyonthewall

              ?? lol, how the fuck would I dox not being on a website? Like, you want me to printout and scan a copy of my browsing history or something? Wtf does that even mean? You need to stop sucking on that glass dick you freakin’ bashead before you have a schizoid embolism and go all Douglas Quaid on everyone

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              I,ma in yer headz missen with yer thoughts. Pretty easy huh.

            • flyonthewall

              you just blew my mind

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              And nothin of value was lost.

            • flyonthewall

              you mad bro? Don’t be acting creepy saying you’re watching people and commenting on the time they spend somewhere and I won’t call you a creep

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              I am watching YOU!

            • flyonthewall

              well according to Nat I am you so I guess I’m watching myself

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Hell of a conundrum isn’t it.

            • flyonthewall

              conundrum isn’t even a real word, stop making up words, that’s what scientologists do

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Please think about joining us.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Cat Daddy! Welcome back!

            • pluvo

              Cat Daddy would have posted already some video 😀 .

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I was waiting for him to get some lager in him.

            • Jimmy3

              > login
              User: Jimmy
              Pass: iluvlegos

              Welcome to Project Jimmyfly
              > abort

              Aborting…

            • LongtimeLurker

              I don’t know why, but I can’t stop laughing at “iluvlegos”

            • Jimmy3

              I’m pretty sure fly went on a mad dash to change all of his passwords. Sweat pouring from his… Do flies sweat? I don’t think they do…

            • daisy

              This is so much funnier when you don’t know what the troll is saying.

            • So UXVLT is you!

            • flyonthewall

              no i swear it is not, he’s kinda freakin me out with the watching people stuff

            • SWEAR, swear?

            • Ghost of Bob Minton

              Pinky swear. I was Ghost of Bob Minton yesterday, that was mildly amusing for a moment. OOOoooooOOOOOOO!!!!

            • ;P

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              OSA.

            • Ghost of Bob Minton

              are you calling me, I mean Fly an OSA agent? OOooOOOOoooOOoooOOOOO!!!!

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              No. Just me being paranoid. Though your nic is in rather poor taste IMHO.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Took me 75 frackin million years to get here. I would hope you knew it is the real me High Overlord Xenu.

            • Well, no offense but I’d rather not joke around too much with someone I don’t know. I’m over-cautious that way. Ttfn.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Smart lady is smart.

            • MaxSpaceman

              it’s the Dude 🙂

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Strike 1.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              What are you High on?

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Pineapple juice and La Croix. You?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Morophine, valium and a Xanax in case anxiety should turn into a panic attack! (Where did I leave those!)

            • daisy

              With me. There gone dude.

    • Observer

      Those poor little girls …

      • Sherbet

        They’re really cute. Too bad they were born into THAT family.

      • Davka

        I am naive, I know, but I really want to believe they love their kids and just don’t know any better. I really do. (Sighs sadly and knows better…..sigh….)

    • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

      Are scilons equal partners within a relationship?

    • Juicer77

      With this horrible head cold, I can’t even look at those poor kids today… What do they need a freakin’ nanny for anyway? Enjoy this time with your kids, you dolts.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “If I were Elena…”

      *Buzzer sound*

      Sorry Sunny, you have already failed at being Elena, simply by being self-aware enough to have that thought.

      Better luck next time on “Am I Less Wrong About Real Life Than A Millionaire Clam Trophy Wife? (Yes Of Course You Are)”

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        What a thing to say…

        (refresh)

        • LongtimeLurker

          lol
          I think Maila Nurmi could look quite attractive, but yes, that’s not the best shot of her.

          I would also like to mention that I have referred to Bodhi as Mr Jenna Elfman and to Joy Villa’s husband as “her pet hipster”, so I am an equal opportunity insulter about trophy spouses.

          • Draco

            OMG! Someone married Joy??!! I spose stranger things have happened…

            • LongtimeLurker

              It will be in my Joy Villa update (with snarky LongtimeLurker commentary).

              Coming soon.

              They may only be “common law”, but yes, she is in some kind of long term thing with a fellow Scientologist.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I did read that Greenpeace is after her for killing thousands of fish with that six pack holder frock!

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Your forgetting all the beards!

            • LongtimeLurker

              So many beards!

  • I have read a lot of nanny want ads. They usually want to know:
    1. Who have you worked for?
    2. Do you like kids/are you fun?
    3. Are you cpr certified?
    4. Do you have a safe driving record?
    5. Education level/ Can you read to them/do homework with them?
    6. Do you cook/clean?
    7. Are you good with dogs?

    • Jimmy3

      6 and 7 are a little too close for my comfort. What kinda sickos were you applying to work for, Nat?

      • Rich people XD

      • LongtimeLurker

        Were you implying some kind of caninabilism?

        That’s terrible.

    • LongtimeLurker

      All that “practical” stuff takes care of itself if the person is at the right place on the Tone Scale, silly!

      • Ooooooooh! I see now XD

      • Draco

        Exactly!! Being a scilon makes life so simple…

  • PappeKak

    When you find yourself thinking, “Things just can’t suck any harder”

    Remember.

    There’s always Scientology.

    Scientology sucks harder.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      SSCOHB

  • jane456

    How EWWWWWWWW……..can you get. Above 4.0, EWWWWWW….. Are they going to pay cash under the tables or will the chosen one get credit towards courses? What the hell Davey, can’t spare a slave for your best PR guy? How unimpressive, no slaves to spare.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      If I were DM, I’d send an OSA agent to work as the Nanny. I’d also order the OSA agent to deposit their paychecks in one of my off-shore accounts while giving them paying them through the tax-free IAS. Truly a win-win for everybody.

  • Draco

    O.M.G. Can you imagine working for the Cardones? Having to keep your awesomeness in high gear ALL. THE. TIME. At 40 on the tone scale? Haha hee hee! Yes…people are like this…
    Fecking Eejits!

    • Draco

      Sorry – 4.0 not 40… much better 😀

      • LongtimeLurker

        What’s 40 on the scale?

        • Serenity of Beingness. 40.0

          • LongtimeLurker

            Sounds great. Maybe not ideal for a nanny I guess.

            • Jimmy3

              Yeah, that’s like, the Nanny is in the jacuzzi with a bottle of wine, just enjoying her serene beingness… Meanwhile the kids have broken into the liquor cabinet and are huffing gasoline.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Right?
              “Sorry…Grant and…uh sorry Cardones…I was contemplating the mysteries of the universe. Hey look, one of them is still alive, so could be worse.”

            • Jimmy3

              “Wait, you paid how much for that shitty trophy they smashed??? Well… Maybe we’ll have crafts time tomorrow and they’ll make you a better one out of clay. Problem solved. Now, if you don’t mind, it’s bath time again.”

            • LongtimeLurker

              I love this Tone 40 nanny. She’s living the dream.

            • “Tone 40 nanny”

              XD

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s either a great sitcom or a terrifying adult film.

            • Sitcom. Maybe not just the nanny but all the servants are “tone 40”
              ETA: But I guess that would just be a “Benson” remake XD

            • Jimmy3

              Please, can Tone Loc be on the staff? Tone Loc is actually higher than Tone 40. Trufax.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OP5EnaaYjQ

            • Todd Tomorrow

              And don’t they usually enslave $cions for pennies on the dollar?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              “She’s a smooth tone 40 nanny..”

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I see, The Cardones as pill heads.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I love that you have an opinion on that. : )

          • MostEthicalPimp

            Which makes one wonder what a tone 40.0 postulate is. Since it seems to me one would be well above having any care to alter the universe at serenity of beingness! and postulates come further down anyway at 30.0

            • Draco

              Now you are just making things complicated!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          If you look in the dictionary there is a picture of you next to it, LL.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Awesome! Winning!

          • daisy

            O K from this thread on everybody just upvote yourselves.

      • visitor

        Tone 4.0 is being able to explain mommy’s ‘ball sack’ video to the kids. Tone 40 is being able to explain it to Cardone.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    The Cardone’s forgot an important req:
    Douchebag proof skin.
    Also, I am going to twitify their ad:
    Rich cultists seek experienced indoctrinationist with saccharin venner.

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche

    This is the Mommy you will be working for ~ tone … wha?!!!

    https://youtu.be/UDRYRQ2KE48

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Is it me or has she always seemed to be a child of Satan? And I’m not even religious! I’ve sadly seen too many of these and they mirror the horse blowin’ Elfmans.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        creeps me right the fuck out I tell ya what……… that she & the daddy would even put this out there into the world. None of it makes sense Todd.

        • LongtimeLurker

          If I had the stomach for it, I’d do some kind of hideous montage of snippets of all the worst video crap put out by her and Grant and Jenna and Bodhi and all the other half-assed famous clams.

          If…

          • Todd Tomorrow

            That would be awesome, dude!

            • LongtimeLurker

              After I wrote that, I thought…”ahh goddam it, I should save this Elena video, because now I kinda want to do it.”

              I’ll let you know if/when I start it.

              I’ll have to look at Bohdi’s stupid face…sigh…

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He has a cock face. Not sure what that means it just popped into my head. Remember, Joe Camel?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I do. And you’re right, he does. lol.

          • daisy

            She is a cheerleader for Satan. PLEASE do it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Nope. Not pressing play.

      Nope. Freeze frame and title are already too much. Nope. nopenopenopenopenopenope

      • smartsmartsmartsmartsmart!

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        don’t do it – it’ll stick with ya.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I knew I was right not to watch it.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Wonder how many times Grant has tried to offer her to his, “Billi”, Bob Duggan.

    • Kim O’Brien

      that bitch has amazing skin & great botox …i feel like i need to iron my face

      • LongtimeLurker

        I love you.

        lol

        • Kim O’Brien

          her fake boobs also stand at attention when she lays on her back . Yes…i hate her LOL

          • LongtimeLurker

            I can’t speak for all men, but I am personally not a fan of that.

            In fact I am the opposite of a fan of that.

            (the boobs thing, not you hating her, that I am a fan of)

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Kim, how can you tell? She looks like one of those tiny soap opera actresses who are all out of proportion.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i can’t really tell ..i am just being shallow and assuming that if you stick poison in your face ..after you have had a couple of kids …ya might perk your tits up a bit …LOL …Plus ..she lives in LA 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              And even if it wasn’t her idea, Grant looks like exactly the kind of guy who would push for that.

              Douche.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I always seem to see them around Florida in their videos. But I guess 65 million would easily get you a house on each of the clam capitols. Just think your life would be,”Ideal.”

      • daisy

        You make me laugh, you have no filter. pot meet kettle.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      WTF EVEN WAS THAT??!! She is a batshit loon and she needs to blink sometimes.

      • daisy

        gentle guffaw !

  • Miss Tia

    OT FFS, i’ve been heat sick the past few days, yesterday very bad—humidity will truly be the death of me….my doctor just told me to go to the ER for IV fluids and said they’d probably keep me….for the psych ward?….no—she did laugh—to ensure i was hydrated enough…..now i gotta go around and ensure edward can easily find prepared baggies of pre-measured food for the dogs tonight and in the morning—just in case……and write out detailed instructions for him…….one baggie of food for each dog, put poli’s bowl in that will be on back door knob, you must hand feed pan [resource guarding]…..i would not go if it was gonna cool down tomorrow but it’s gonna be like this thru monday and there’s no way i could last that long……oh i better grab my meds too, cuz they i will stealthily take them and they won’t charge me $$$ for ’em nor will they gasp! not give me any for some dumbfuck reason….

    akron shcity better have wifi……got passwords put on my tablet for email and dissucks and facebook…..fucking humidity…….and no, i don’t go outside when it’s humid…..so sitting outside didn’t do this to me….humidity will get me, inside, with a fan, with an AC, humidity hates me and wants to kill me…..

    • Sherbet

      Go! IV fluids will make you feel better almost immediately. Been there. Good luck.

      • Miss Tia

        i’m sure they will….wrote edward a note, will tape it to his back door and leave a bag with the baggies of my dog’s food there for him…..plus my key, as i don’t think he has one…..of course it’s storming right now….but that’s just a temporary reprieve…..just gotta take out contacts put my pills in a baggy and i think i’m set…..

        • sugarplumfairy

          Go!

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      hang tough Miss Tia. Fall coolness coming right up. Leaves are changing in the center of the continent this week. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/88da9e330d9caefc0fa01ee80638d3bc7a80ec028dcec35859fe17cbf4590856.jpg

      • Miss Tia

        hell, if the humidity could fuck off that’d be great….eddie’s maple tree has one red leaf—the rest are green…..

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I second Sherbs statement. Go take care of you. I got your email and we will get it figured out and yes I will help take care of it. xoxoxo

      • Todd Tomorrow

        What a great friend, Stephanie!

        • Miss Tia

          truly!!!

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            *blush*

      • Miss Tia

        HOORAY!!!!! hopefully they’ll have wifi there—-i would hope they would…..i know children’s hospital has wifi…..if not, i know i can text you to give ya an update on me…..

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Worry about you right now. What we need to find can be done in no time. We’ll take care of it once you’re back home. When you have time, check those sites I suggested in that email (if you can) and let me know what you find. Don’t stress it, we will get it handled. No couches. LOL

          • Miss Tia

            check your email stat…..

          • Todd Tomorrow

            She’s right, Miss Tia. Go now,”A-T-O matic.”

          • daisy

            You are wonderful, please come and take care of me

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Awww thank you love, that is sweet. 🙂 xoxox

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Gatorade always hydrates me. Hope you’ll be OK. Is that psycho neighbor been put back in jail yet?

      • Miss Tia

        I’ve been drinking gatorade so much i’m sure if they check my blood it will mostly gatorade!!!

      • lynn

        I sent you a link

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thx!

          • lynn

            did you get it?

    • sugarplumfairy

      The dogs won’t die overnight.. If your doc said go to the ER, he means go now..

      • Miss Tia

        well they have scheduled feedings, no free feedings…..she also knows i have to fiddle around and she knew if she didn’t mention they might keep me, i’d leave the ER to come home and then go back…..so i appreciate that she KNOWS me!! gotta fill the water bowls up too…..think that’s it….

        • sugarplumfairy

          Edward will take care of them and they’ll be fine.. Go! And take care!

          • Miss Tia

            edward is incapable of doing most things without me telling him how to do them……if something happened to me, i have no fucking clue what he would do……yes, he is really that bad…..he once emailed me asking how to send an email—he was not joking……leaving now!!

    • pluvo

      I have to take Magnesium when its hot and humid.

      • Miss Tia

        yeah, i’m sure i’m low on that, my magnesium gets depleted quickly….i take a daily magnesium supplement but when it’s humid i probably should double that…..

    • LongtimeLurker

      What, omg. Go.
      What?

      …omg…

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Last I read she finally left.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I only just came back…

          Okay, well, I’m gonna assume the best, for the moment.

          Now this Edward, he’s a dog, right?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            No, I think her husband/ boyfriend.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Come on! He sent an email saying how do I send an email!

              A human wouldn’t do that.

              …she’s gonna kill me when she gets back and sees this…

            • Todd Tomorrow

              No, she mentioned having to leave him detailed instructions.

            • lynn

              I have some info & a link, where can I send it to you to?

            • Miss Tia

              ni worries , I’m chuckling here

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good. ; )

            • Miss Tia

              best friend

          • daisy

            Your in, but you have to be gay when my face friends visit.

            • LongtimeLurker

              No problem. ; )

      • Miss Tia

        its okay im here!! dr. jjst left theyre gonna come back with dluids and take blod

        • LongtimeLurker

          Should you be typing? Lie flat or something.

          How long will they be, and is there someone there with you?

          Don’t answer unless you want to.

          • Miss Tia

            i can type fine, they put the er bed at a nice recline….dont know how long i will be here,,they just took bloodwork, said 30 min and they started the iv fluids.,im here alone, with myfriends in the net ☺

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wish one of us was there with you. : (

              Don’t answer this if you don’t want to…is this kind of stay expensive in the US? Are you covered?

              No offence intended.

            • Miss Tia

              y’all r here with me!!i am covered insurance wise..

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay, good.

              I always freak out when I hear about US friends needing medical attention (I probably have an exaggerated idea of the US health care system).

            • Miss Tia

              No, i don’t think you have….even with the ACA, it’s a nightmare and millions (including myself) still don’t have dental or vision care…..a lot of my prescriptions aren’t covered either….which is still better than many, who have zero prescription coverage….

            • LongtimeLurker

              Our health care is going the same way, slowly but surely.

              I haven’t been to the dentist in years. I’m like LRH.

            • Miss Tia

              our healthcare has gotten progressively worse with the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies (oh noes, big pharma!!) controlling health care—so it seems and in some cases it is true…..

    • lynn

      the air in NE Ohio is just damp. Not making any plans where I’d have to leave the ac this holiday weekend. Never been to akron city, but I know aultman has free wifi, so akron prob will. take care.

      • Miss Tia

        i just got her, taken back right away and yes, they have wifi!!!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Woo hoo!

          • Miss Tia

            suck typing on this…went to edit and the dr came in….they are quick!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Miss Tia, You go take care of yourself forthwith!!!

      • Miss Tia

        care has been taken! i’m home now, feeling human, got a RX for some nausea med to get filled tomorrow—had some in the iv fluids tonight that’ll last tonight and have 4 more days of high humidity to get thru!! i’s can do it!! 😀 (i hope! 😉

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I am so glad to hear it Miss Tia!

          • Miss Tia

            ME TOO!!! 🙂

  • OT: Throwback Thursday
    Add your name to this list to see your most upvoted comment of all time 🙂
    https://disqus.com/home/channel/offtopic/discussion/channel-offtopic/do_you_want_to_know_your_most_upvoted_comment_ever/

    • Jimmy3

      “I regret to inform you that Friday Game Night has been cancelled.”
      3 upvotes.

      • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

        I would vote for Jimmy3 AND Flyonthewall,but I can’t keep up with all their socks.

        • Jimmy3

          And I would vote for you if you were even slightly funny or original.

          • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

            You are mean spirited and pretty unoriginal at times too.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes.

      • pluvo

        I remember when you were on top of the page (setting best) with a comment. But I don’t remember what it was about.

        • Jimmy3

          I wrote a long dissertation on the legality of Narconon in the United States. I don’t like to brag, but several highly respected commenters said it was the best internet comment they had read in years.

          • Jimmy3

            thats not true at all. it was a cat gif

          • pluvo

            I don’t remember that one. It was a shorter one – and sb said comment of the day (maybe it was even Tony). Do you remember?

            • noseinabk

              His comment asking where the New York Times was on the fringes of the internet? (or somthing like that)

            • Jimmy3

              I called the New York Times a blog and asked where it was on the fringes of the internet. But it was only best due to timing. If you post early, more people see it and upvote it. and once it’s at or near the top, the masses of people who only read by Best sorting see it and upvote it. So it stays at the top. This comment was on a surprise post in the afternoon.

              Timing is the only factor. I remember after the Jorm Tramolta Oscars, I posted a comment at like 4am that got about 6 votes. Someone replied off me and got 9 upvotes. The same exact thing the person who replied off me said was said by someone else, and it got about 130 upvotes as the first post on the new 7am article. Timezones and schedules make all the difference. That’s all it is.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Yeppers. Isn’t it nice that here in the Bunker we don’t care about the whole popularity contest with its ego-driven jockeying and maneuvers? All we care about is getting the truth out.

              And creating that killer shoop that everybody talks about for the rest of the evening. That, too.

            • Jimmy3

              I’ve always voted for you in the secret popularity contests we have. But only in the primaries.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Awwwwwwww.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sure. But if you were just writing gibberish those things wouldn’t help.

              So there’s still skill involved.

              And I remember that comment, even though I never sort by best.

            • Jimmy3

              If you have something really valuable to add to the conversation, or if you have a hilarious shoop, that is an exception to the timing rule. Or maybe it’s the norm, and I have it backwards. But if you’re just throwing out smart-assed one-liners, timing and Cheetos are the only way to make it to teh top. Your keyboard needs to be thick with Cheeto grease.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Look, I hear your points, and I think they have merit, but I’m getting pretty upset about you ragging on the goddam comment in question.
              `
              Timing aside, it was a moment of comedy/snark genius, and if you can’t see that, well…

            • pluvo

              Ah, now I remember. Jimmy … don’t be so humble. It was not the timing – it was your comment. It was fabulous. Now I remember, it was Tony who said that the comment made his day. It hit the mark with a touch of satire. I loved it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              ikr?
              This Jimmy3 guy who won’t admit that Jimmy3’s comment was great is really pissing me off.

    • flyonthewall

      you believe me now?

      • Yes.

        • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

          You are so easy.

          • flyonthewall

            you’re fuct up and this is the last time I’ll be responding to or acknowledging you

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Whatever you say sock brother.

            • Rasha

              Don’t bother checking the dryer filter guys! Found it!

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              This is getting confusing. Now I am responding to myself. Jeez.

            • Sorry this is happening to you, Fly

            • flyonthewall

              🙂 all good

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              No need to free sorry.

        • flyonthewall

          thank you

          • LongtimeLurker

            As someone who has had several stealth conversations like that one, I have to say…man that’s irritating when you’re on the other side of it.

            • UncleXenusVenusianLoveTrain

              Thanks.Oh sh–

  • That Danish documentary with Robert Dam and Marc Headley finally aired August 31st. Did it have the film crew’s version of the swarming at Int Base? (It’s a series of three shows, so maybe they’re saving it for a later show?)

    http://digitalt.tv/opgoeret-med-scientology-ny-dokumentarserie-paa-tv-2/

    Scientology ambush! Another crazy encounter, this time with Marc Headley at Int Base December 9, 2014, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

    • From the description via Google Translate, they haven’t got to that part yet.

      ‘Showdown with Scientology’ consists of three programs are on Monday, August 31, and the two consecutive Mondays 7 and September 14 – all days. 20:00.

  • BosonStark

    How come Mr. Miscabitch can’t audition nannies for the Cardones? I hear Katie Holmes is free. Or how about Shelly? She used to be very high on the tone scale, and she worked closely with a little one who had a terrible temper.

    • ze moo

      They want someone who is ‘successfully raising children’ but can travel with the Cardones for 2 years? Does anyone see a dichotomy in that?

      So the Duggan nanny need not apply.

      • Of course there isn’t a dichotomy. If you were a super successful parent then you would have a nanny as well. Nothing is more important than “FLOWING POWER TO POWER” that is an actual thing in Scientology. Like Bankrupting yourself to do the Bridge because then all your dreams will come true bullshit. Same story different application. By abandoning your own children to flow POWER to Grant and his family you are creating a better family for yourself. See?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          So… internally it all makes perfect sense, but to the rest of us it seems lunatic. Is that it?

        • Todd Tomorrow

        • Draco

          I read “FLOWING FLOWER TO POWER” 😀

          And anyway – Family Shmamily. It’s just an abberated thing GEs do. Leave the kids in the front garden when you want to do something. Just make sure they have a water bowl and shade if it gets hot. If they’re big beings, they’ll survive. If small beings, meh, who cares?

      • Draco

        Nor should the Duggans apply… But hey! They do know of a nifty couple in South Africa who can look after kids…

    • Draco

      Snortle!

    • jane456

      Srsly….what kind of pitiful cult leader can’t get slaves for his big dogs?

    • Allie

      I’m wondering what’s up with the Cardouches travelling for 2 years. Can’t be a vacation – must be something sinister if Grant is involved. Hmmm…travelling the world looking for whales in other countries?Fund raising? Wonder if he and Duggan will be a match team?

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Thursday, 03 September 2015.

    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,

    Yesterday: New York scraped in and saved the day.
    Tampa is spamming 12 X Do you want to know the truth about Scientology? Whithin 2 hours (See Regional list & Spamtrack)

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Tenebris by Octobre Rouge enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14975359684/in/set-72157642802079293

  • ze moo

    They want someone who is ‘successfully raising children’ but can travel with the Cardones for 2 years? Does anyone see a dichotomy in that?

    • 9001

      There’s a comparison here too.

      http://honoluluaunty.com/notes-from-genius-tour-meir-ezra/

      The author says in the comments “A question that I am now wondering, was Steve Jobs a Scientologist? While talking about successful companies and statistics, Meir brought up Apple, and how it became successful on the growth condition because Steve Jobs adopted the cylindrical business model to run Apple. Hmmm.”
      Apple should sue WISE.

    • jane456

      He calls it “noble cause corruption” ….it’s sort of a theme of his. I like that description.

    • LongtimeLurker

      I’m unhappy about it.

      Not because it’s not true and Gibney’s not right about why he equates them. But I just know that sometime in the future I’ll have a conversation where someone says, “Well, Scientology is no worse than Apple.”

    • Allie

      I especially liked Gibney’s quote: “Some people get imprisoned by the need to believe in something so fervently that they’re not willing to accept that there could be flaws”.
      This is true of all the subjects of Gibney’s films (Enron, the Catholic Church, Armstrong, Apple) plus Wall Street, the Mormon Church and all the other numerous cults out there. The list is indeed very long.
      Power corrupts in institutions large and small Even family units show this. Edited: spelling

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT – Tony says “Hey, who’s our person in Copenhagen?” and gets an answer and an immediate agreement to scope out a Narconon opening.

    It’s like being in one of those moodily-lit control rooms with all the monitors in a Jason Bourne movie.

    Okay, going for a bit. But you know what might be good? That’s right, Humphrey the baby wombat!
    Refresh
    https://wombats-tm.wikispaces.com/file/view/humphrey-the-baby-wombat.jpg/220896000/462×335/humphrey-the-baby-wombat.jpg

    • Humphrey? I thought that was what you called a camel with three humps.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Humphrey is almost infinitely cuter than a camel.

        • Draco

          He looks like a Humphrey 🙂

          • LongtimeLurker

            He soooo does, right?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Humphrey is what you are when you have rounded all the bases.

    • Rasha

      GIMMEH DAT WOMBAT!!!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Do they bite?

        • Draco

          Look at that face! Would that bite?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah, the wild ones (I’m still here, I know, Miss Tia came back) can be really unpleasant. Although arguably not as bad as koalas. Those little pricks can be awful.

          Anyway, when a wombat is hand-reared, like Humphrey, they can become really, really human-focused and crazy affectionate. It’s pretty great.

          I’ll put some videos up late one night and show you.

        • Rasha

          WAHT?? Jes’ wook at dat widdle face. jes WOOOKK at choo!!! Om nom nom nom nom-OW!

          …they nibble. Affectionately. I need a Band-Aid.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            In Turkey I had a cute baby camel nibblin’ on my ear. Within a minute it was almost gone!

            • Rasha

              You ate a baby camel?

            • Draco

              LOL. You have such a wonderfully twisted mind 😛

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I call shenanigans. There’s no way you and a baby camel fit inside of a turkey.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It was so adorable and the suddenly my mate saw blood pouring outside of my head. The owner helped pry his/her mouth open. Luckily, I was able to score some antibiotics. People don’t realize Turkey has the most incredible Roman Ruins. I also saw numerous blokes with their hand’s missing, which was the penalty for stealing back then.

          • LongtimeLurker

            You write that “cute talk” perfectly. I totally heard you saying that. : )

            • Rasha

              WOTS of pwactice.

            • daisy

              LL I have been looking and my f…ing computer is spinning its wheels. is it a lot of trouble to C and P ..I will continue to look though,

          • Madison KinSmed

            Bwahahahaha! (Kitten is in exile so I can laugh water up my nose freely. Yay!)

      • Draco

        NO!! MINE!!!

        • Rasha

          I’ll duel ya for him. Nerf Nailguns at 20 paces, or whatever length is measured in down there…

          😛

          • Draco

            We’re all totally metric down here – but I can do paces. You’re on…um… what is a NERF nailgun?

            • Rasha

              MUAHAHAHAHA!!! I ALREADY have the advantage!

              …”Metric”, you say? Very well! Make it 20 kilograms!!!

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol

            • Draco

              20 kilograms it is! I got some to spare so can totally throw away 20!

            • Rasha

              Like this, but cooler…….

              ….and it ate my pic.

              http://www.walmart.com/ip/Nerf-N-Strike-Elite-CrossBolt-Blaster/42507365

            • Draco

              Bring one for me too. But I will load it myself!! We going unlimited on number of nails?

    • Veronica

      What are those claw-like things?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Claw-like things are claws me thinks. 😉

      • Draco

        From Wikipedia: “Speed: 40 km/h maximum (When threatened)”
        I think they act like spikes under running shoes! Did not think they could move that fast under any circumstances!

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’ll show you a video sometime.

          They’re the best thing God has ever done.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Claws. But don’t worry, they’re for love not hurts.

        • Veronica

          Yeah, well, love hurts.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Not hand-reared wombat love, baby!

            • Veronica

              What’s with the pillow case? Bad hair day? I’ve heard of those.

  • SP Wogsy

    Thank you again for another entertaining video, Nora! You are hilarious, I love it! Okay, so I’m a bit perplexed with this bulletin as I am with anything in Scientology. I’m not sure the attitude regarding sex is a general attitude amongst Scientology public or staff members. From my own experience me and my companion at the time had an ‘ active’ intimate life, and it was never once questioned or determined to be negative by my auditor or my ethics officer. In fact, my viewpoint was if you are thriving on your 2nd dynamic, you are having a healthy amount of sex. I also assumed that was the general attitude as well. Maybe, I got it wrong.

    So I’m wondering, does this bulletin comes up in marriage counseling (which I’ve never had) and/or on the OT levels? Anyways, again thank you for another great video. Keep up the great work!

    F5 for kitteh photo

    • Todd Tomorrow

      She was Sea Arghh though. I thought you were public. But I’m usually wrong about this sex/$cion stuff like I was last week.

    • Draco

      I think a lot depends on where you took services SP Wogsy. Generally the further away from the Int base and the bigger orgs, the less crazy it was. Where I was also was pretty laid back (heh) about the whole sex thing.
      As regards the bulletin on pain and sex; it wasn’t really bandied about generally. Although i had heard about it several times, I never actually saw it while I was in. I only read it online after I got out and was pretty shocked at what was in it.

      • SP Wogsy

        I never saw it either, but even so, it seems counter-intuitive, because if you are “uptone” you are having lots of sex in your relationship!! lol. That’s how I took it, but what do I know, I’m just a degraded being lolol. Omg, the nerve of these people. Sheesh.

        • Draco

          Totally agree with you. And it does go counter to other stuff hubbard said about keeping the dynamics in balance. Just the usual inexplicable bs.

    • That bulletin wouldn’t have come up for your necessarily unless you started having problems in your marriage, or on the second Dynamic or if you became ethics bait then for sure it would have come up. It is on the PTS/SP course and the Academy Levels and a few other courses. But it is used as a tool for the ethics officer to manipulate. Yes it is used A LOT in the Sea Org on it’s members but also on the public as well.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “…used as a tool for the ethics officer to manipulate.”

        WHAT?!! I won’t hear it!

        You’re saying that a hierarchical system supported by draconian punishments and snitching can be exploited and misused?

        That’s crazy talk!

      • SP Wogsy

        Thank you for answering my question, Nora. It just seems so counter-intuitive even as a Scientologist that if one of your dynamics are suppressed then it lowers all the other ones. And being that sex is supposed to be a creative act that not having it in your own relationship would have an overall negative impact on your life. That is how I understood it, but learning what I now know about the Sea Org and Scientology in general, I can understand how it would be used as tool for manipulation to SO members or anyone on the higher levels.

        edited.

        • Absolutely it is counter intuitive. There was an ad that would come on before a tech film, that said, “Live only on the first and second dynamics (Showing a couple in shadow looking like they were about to kiss, then panning out and bringing light on them to show they were huddling together, homeless and decrepit) And THAT’S ALL YOU’LL HAVE!” Really Ron HATED the first and Second Dynamic. And wanted people to only live on the 3rd, HIS third Dynamic SCIENTOLOGY, and work to “Help” the 4th. Fuck the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th. Who needs GOD? Or really you as a spiritual being, I mean you will become a BIG being by working on the THIRD (maybe) but fuck all the rest. This bulletin is just one of the many slavery inducing policies that Ron used to keep people towing the line and under his thumb.

      • Draco

        I obviously never got that far on the PTS/SP course. Didn’t know it was in there.

  • BosonStark

    Mr. Cardone introduces the first pure Scientology nanny candidate to qualify for live research…
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/Bride2_zps4filmrze.jpg

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Big working day today and not much time to comment. I listened to the three videos when my work had to done on the computer.

    The first two showed Scientology to be even more disgusting than I thought it to be. Chris’ showed Scientology as the scummy organization that I thought I had come to understand. There were not too many surprises there.

    So lucky to bail. My life was not for sale.

  • Fink Jonas

    Shameless advertising dressing up as a book next to McD, is nothing funny or entertaining about it, they just hope the kids will remember the volcano once they are 18 and ready to be recruited. Pathetic dogs.

  • Robyn Capella

    I did an AMA about 2 years ago (anonymously) and agree, they are great for getting the word out about what is really going on in Scientology. And there were surprisingly few trolls — it was a good experience. Reddit has a broad audience and the only thing too many people there seem to know about Scientology is ‘Xenu’. I even saw a post recently where Neil DeGrasse Tyson was sort of defending Scientology because all religions have ‘weird beliefs’.

    • Madison KinSmed

      That’s great that you did one! Did anyone help you set it up or get the word out about it?

      I wonder if it would be different re Xenu bc of “Going Clear”? I know having someone “moderate” for you (& I don’t mean a Reddit Mod) it’s easier to ignore the trolls/awkward questions.

      Tyson’s a dope, IMO. And, from what I’ve seen, “weird beliefs” is a standard scientology deflector. I think someone (often a scienbot sox) hijacks the comments of an anti-scamatology or Cruise article with that.

      Thank you for sharing your story. I hope life is good for you.

      • Robyn Capella

        Actually, I just did it one day and got probably 40-50 questions, had some good discussions. There weren’t many trolls, but it wasn’t front-page material — a front page AMA would certainly garner some of that. Things might be different after ‘Going Clear’, that’s true. Some people were definitely very knowledgeable. I just see lots of Xenu talk whenever Scientology comes up on reddit, which is why Tyson’s comment saddened me — and I think he’s pretty awesome, too.

  • Madison KinSmed

    Robyn, in Chris Shelton’s video, describes the population of the EPF as “huge!” and says it several times even after stating that it was about 70 people. Scientology’s word clearing tech strikes again. Huge = more than 1.

    • Firstly 70 people at one time on the EPF is HUGE. As a former recruiter for the Sea Org I was LUCKY to get ONE person onto it in a MONTH. So when there were 70 people running around in unison, in blue boiler suits fixing shit and doing shit, all living in 2 dorm rooms crammed together, that is HUGE. Scientology is the smallest town on the planet where, at this point, everyone is ALMOST related to everyone else so 70 people was the highest it ever was in Los Angeles.

      • Robyn Capella

        Quite true. I recall that some people (mostly the younger kids who had been raised in the SO and were virtually illiterate) had been on for as long as 5 months and most longer than a month. It was a long time ago, but there really were a lot of us. 70 is my estimate, but it may have been as few as 50. I never saw nearly that many people on the EPF again. This was in Sept 1990. Once the mission came in, people started either being off-loaded or graduated pretty quickly.

        • I hear the tales of the HUGE EPF at PAC under Mr Garrett when I joined at CCI in 1995. there were 6 people on our EPF. NOT huge. Teeny tiny. It took me 6 days to do the EPF. I new record. Tied with the CO CCI. He was NOT impressed.

          • Robyn Capella

            That was his name! If it was promoted as huge because of him, that’s really funny because he came in to the middle of a giant mess. I remember it being a big issue that many people had been on the EPF for months. They must have offloaded at least a half dozen or more people.

            • Yeah nobody talked about half of those people being offloaded either from the EPF or shortly after graduation. We were all just expected to get 70+ people onto the EPF DAILY! So ridiculous. Mr. Garrett was one of the nicest people I met. Too bad that didn’t rub off on his daughter who is now and active OSA bot on Facebook and the internet.

            • Robyn Capella

              (I may have responded to this twice accidentally as I’m new to Disqus). That EPF was ridiculously ‘non-standard’, but I guess numbers are numbers, no matter how fake they are.

              I barely remember Mr. Garrett, but I do recall him being super nice to our beleaguered little unit N. Too bad about his daughter; I know that I didn’t like the person I was turning into when I was in OSA.

            • Draco

              You were in OSA? I think your story is going to be a VERY interesting one to watch!! How many episodes did Chris say?

            • Robyn Capella

              I was the DSA Mountain View org in the lat 90’s. I shudder to think how many episodes — we talked for a long time and I suspect that much should hit the cutting room floor. I was in OSA US very briefly when I first joined (this was before they separated it into West/East US). I was all over the place, honestly — CMO, LRH Life Exhibition (part of CMO), a Flag Rep…

            • Draco

              Looking forward to all of it. Thanks for telling your story.

          • Robyn Capella

            That was his name! Mr. Garrett was the one put on post while I was on the EPF and it was a huge mess.

            That’s a really interesting sign of poor character on Petit’s part… Very funny.

      • Draco

        This is true. When I joined the first go round, I was the only one on the EPF. I think by the time I was done, there were 2 more. And then none for a long time. 70 is huge.

      • Madison KinSmed

        Nora,
        I can imagine the chaos and the frustration. I think I did a poor job my attempt to point out that scientology’s PR via DM is always about hundreds, or thousands, or millions, or billions of scientologists involved in things. And then the reality comes from people like Robyn who identify 70 as a huge number (or you, being “LUCKY to get ONE person…).

        The reality of Scientology is so very different than the delusional PR.

        Please forgive me for any confusion I caused.

        • No worries. I understand the over inflated statistics of Scientology and how utterly ridiculous they are. I used to just wonder about all that, silently of course, at the events between the mandatory standing and clapping.

          • Madison KinSmed

            Nora, you are an amazingly courageous woman and a great role model for why people should stand up and speak out. I read your story on someone’s blog (I’m having brain fog so can’t remember who’s) and I wanted to hug you and do the mom thing: You ARE okay just as you are – you’re brave and resilient and have a brilliant sense of humor. And things will get better, because they always do. Sometimes you have to be patient and watch funny movies and read funny things and cry big tears. But, it will get better. The sun always comes out.

            • Thank you!! Yes I cry big girl tears a lot but I don’t let it get me down. I just let it out.

            • Madison KinSmed

              Crying is good for you. There is some chemical your body releases in tears, IIRC.

              There’s a lullaby by Darius Rucker (?) called “It’s Okay to Cry” or something like that. I’ve played it for my daughter since she was a toddler bc her dad would tell her to “quit it” when she cried. Mr. Madison is a tad bit of a control freak …TMI. It’s a good song to cry to.