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	Comments on: WOW: California judge orders trial to determine if Scientology drugged incoming rehab patients	</title>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1107043&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, that&#039;s easy she is on Scientology !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1107043">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s easy she is on Scientology !</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1103886&quot;&gt;media_lush&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Lush.. thought you may appreciate this.. It&#039;s under Miley Cyrus.. and they talk about JT puckering up because she looked like something from Battlefield Earth.. A Scientology Whore..Paraphrasing.. 

http://dlisted.com/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1103886">media_lush</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Lush.. thought you may appreciate this.. It&#8217;s under Miley Cyrus.. and they talk about JT puckering up because she looked like something from Battlefield Earth.. A Scientology Whore..Paraphrasing.. </p>
<p><a href="http://dlisted.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dlisted.com/</a></p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1107009&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

wow.

I thought so.

Is it because your username is a bird, do you think?

Like Crikits couldn&#039;t believe someone called Juicer wouldn&#039;t be a gay male, or whatever idiocy he was spouting.

What is she on?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1107009">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>wow.</p>
<p>I thought so.</p>
<p>Is it because your username is a bird, do you think?</p>
<p>Like Crikits couldn&#8217;t believe someone called Juicer wouldn&#8217;t be a gay male, or whatever idiocy he was spouting.</p>
<p>What is she on?</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1106986&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

I am still male. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1106986">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>I am still male. </p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1104082&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, in amongst her usual babble elle referred to you as she.

I think I might have forgotten your gender (if she&#039;s even right and if I knew) and have called you dude a few times.  

Which actually I sometimes do with female friends irl.  

But anyway, if I did, and if it bothered you even slightly, I apologize.

I&#039;ve screen-capped this so hopefully I won&#039;t forget.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1104082">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Hey, in amongst her usual babble elle referred to you as she.</p>
<p>I think I might have forgotten your gender (if she&#8217;s even right and if I knew) and have called you dude a few times.  </p>
<p>Which actually I sometimes do with female friends irl.  </p>
<p>But anyway, if I did, and if it bothered you even slightly, I apologize.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve screen-capped this so hopefully I won&#8217;t forget.</p>
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		By: California		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1106513</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is appropriate that Judge Edward Chen issued the federal ruling in SF.


Popcorn time.


I think he is tough enough to deal with the worst that scn/narconon can throw at him. And so can Little and his firm.


I never thought that narconon would be shut down with one big punch but rather by a thousand cuts.  Now that have annoyed both the courts and their own insurance companies.... and it is only a matter of time until the insurance companies bail on them.  I am not sure if they can &quot;self-insure&quot; and equally unsure if &quot;self-insuring&quot; themselves will buy them anything in the long run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is appropriate that Judge Edward Chen issued the federal ruling in SF.</p>
<p>Popcorn time.</p>
<p>I think he is tough enough to deal with the worst that scn/narconon can throw at him. And so can Little and his firm.</p>
<p>I never thought that narconon would be shut down with one big punch but rather by a thousand cuts.  Now that have annoyed both the courts and their own insurance companies&#8230;. and it is only a matter of time until the insurance companies bail on them.  I am not sure if they can &#8220;self-insure&#8221; and equally unsure if &#8220;self-insuring&#8221; themselves will buy them anything in the long run.</p>
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		By: Are_sics		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1105741</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Are_sics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1105673&quot;&gt;Jon Hendry&lt;/a&gt;.

Presumably the Chinese laborers are not the ones who &quot;brook no criticism&quot;, are not the &quot;culties&quot; in this analogy, though.  I&#039;m fine with criticising Apple, just don&#039;t think the &quot;cult&quot; parallel does anything but give a bit of a pass to Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1105673">Jon Hendry</a>.</p>
<p>Presumably the Chinese laborers are not the ones who &#8220;brook no criticism&#8221;, are not the &#8220;culties&#8221; in this analogy, though.  I&#8217;m fine with criticising Apple, just don&#8217;t think the &#8220;cult&#8221; parallel does anything but give a bit of a pass to Scientology.</p>
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		By: Jon Hendry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Hendry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1105551&quot;&gt;Are_sics&lt;/a&gt;.

Apple&#039;s labor and environmental issues in China are, I think, to a large extent an issue of the business culture in China. You can set up all the checks and monitoring you want, but if your suppliers are actively trying to subvert those controls, in order to cut their costs and increase profits, they&#039;re going to find a way.


If a supplier says they can produce a component for $x, and that&#039;s fixed in a contract, and the cost of the parts and materials is out of their control, then the easiest way to increase profits is to cut corners on labor and the environment.


It would be easier for companies like Apple to control this kind of thing if the government at various levels were more interested in enforcing the law.


That said, just think of the labor conditions and environmental practices involved in making the many products that have much thinner profit margins than Apple&#039;s. Apple can afford to tell suppliers to raise the wages of their factory workers. Most companies manufacturing in China cannot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-2/#comment-1105551">Are_sics</a>.</p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s labor and environmental issues in China are, I think, to a large extent an issue of the business culture in China. You can set up all the checks and monitoring you want, but if your suppliers are actively trying to subvert those controls, in order to cut their costs and increase profits, they&#8217;re going to find a way.</p>
<p>If a supplier says they can produce a component for $x, and that&#8217;s fixed in a contract, and the cost of the parts and materials is out of their control, then the easiest way to increase profits is to cut corners on labor and the environment.</p>
<p>It would be easier for companies like Apple to control this kind of thing if the government at various levels were more interested in enforcing the law.</p>
<p>That said, just think of the labor conditions and environmental practices involved in making the many products that have much thinner profit margins than Apple&#8217;s. Apple can afford to tell suppliers to raise the wages of their factory workers. Most companies manufacturing in China cannot.</p>
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		By: Lighthouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lighthouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1103057&quot;&gt;Miss Tia&lt;/a&gt;.

May it indeed happen to scientology!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1103057">Miss Tia</a>.</p>
<p>May it indeed happen to scientology!!!!!</p>
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		By: Lighthouse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lighthouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1103468&quot;&gt;flyonthewall&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for my laugh for the day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/28/wow-california-judge-orders-trial-to-determine-if-scientology-drugged-incoming-rehab-patients/comment-page-1/#comment-1103468">flyonthewall</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for my laugh for the day.</p>
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