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		By: Cedilla		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1093347&quot;&gt;ze moo&lt;/a&gt;.

ze moo.
 Re: your comment on today&#039;s,Thursday,post.
Didn&#039;t you mean to say,
 &quot;Cartwright is just the glad hander to get those lazy Scientologists up and funding.&quot;

Instead of what you wrote?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1093347">ze moo</a>.</p>
<p>ze moo.<br />
 Re: your comment on today&#8217;s,Thursday,post.<br />
Didn&#8217;t you mean to say,<br />
 &#8220;Cartwright is just the glad hander to get those lazy Scientologists up and funding.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead of what you wrote?</p>
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		By: MarcabExpat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarcabExpat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2015 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-2/#comment-1094610&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

Are they really good pets, though? That one seems to enjoy human company, but I imagine they&#039;re not great indoors, though? And don&#039;t they get kind of big?


Pigmouse. Pigmousepigmousepigmousepigmouse. I&#039;m just going to keep saying it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-2/#comment-1094610">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>Are they really good pets, though? That one seems to enjoy human company, but I imagine they&#8217;re not great indoors, though? And don&#8217;t they get kind of big?</p>
<p>Pigmouse. Pigmousepigmousepigmousepigmouse. I&#8217;m just going to keep saying it.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2015 06:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-2/#comment-1094071&quot;&gt;Juicer77&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction: &quot;Welcome back and Goodbye, Cricitologist!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-2/#comment-1094071">Juicer77</a>.</p>
<p>Correction: &#8220;Welcome back and Goodbye, Cricitologist!</p>
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		By: Sejanus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sejanus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094430&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I just consider him a heinous anus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094430">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I just consider him a heinous anus.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 09:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094813&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

In this case, under supervision or not, I think the guy is a &quot;True Believer&quot; who is in the grip of confirmation bias.  He seizes on the smallest detail that can be made to serve his case, and ignores any negative evidence. He only notices the information that supports his preconceptions.

He &lt;I&gt;knows&lt;/I&gt; that the Earth (or in this case, Scientology) is the centre of the universe, so he does not have to look through the critics telescope. 

I know what you mean - the most desperate attempts to rationalise away the obvious are attempts to quell doubts (according to cognitive dissonance theory https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-1-cognitive-dissonance/  ) and this seems to be very common.

However, I suspect that this particular guy has passed beyond doubt, and it take a great shock (e.g. being declared) to get him to question his uncritical faith. Perhaps this is why he is trusted to move among us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094813">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>In this case, under supervision or not, I think the guy is a &#8220;True Believer&#8221; who is in the grip of confirmation bias.  He seizes on the smallest detail that can be made to serve his case, and ignores any negative evidence. He only notices the information that supports his preconceptions.</p>
<p>He <i>knows</i> that the Earth (or in this case, Scientology) is the centre of the universe, so he does not have to look through the critics telescope. </p>
<p>I know what you mean &#8211; the most desperate attempts to rationalise away the obvious are attempts to quell doubts (according to cognitive dissonance theory <a href="https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-1-cognitive-dissonance/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-1-cognitive-dissonance/</a>  ) and this seems to be very common.</p>
<p>However, I suspect that this particular guy has passed beyond doubt, and it take a great shock (e.g. being declared) to get him to question his uncritical faith. Perhaps this is why he is trusted to move among us.</p>
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		By: Once_Born		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Once_Born]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094818&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, it&#039;s not always the case - e.g. the best of David  Brin&#039;s &quot;Uplift&quot; series is the second one (&quot;Startide Rising&quot;) and one of his best  books - but he elaborated the original premise considerably.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094818">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not always the case &#8211; e.g. the best of David  Brin&#8217;s &#8220;Uplift&#8221; series is the second one (&#8220;Startide Rising&#8221;) and one of his best  books &#8211; but he elaborated the original premise considerably.</p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094670&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, true.

Although I might be one of the few people who prefers The Ringworld Engineers to Ringworld.

I&#039;ll bone up a bit more on Vatican II and dig out my copy.

Thanks!]]></description>
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<p>Yes, true.</p>
<p>Although I might be one of the few people who prefers The Ringworld Engineers to Ringworld.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bone up a bit more on Vatican II and dig out my copy.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094687&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for that link.

You&#039;re right, of course. 

Wasting his own time, A) not having any effect, because he&#039;s primarily discussing peripheral nonsense or setting up straw-men and B) because he won&#039;t allow himself to truly consider what&#039;s being said to him.

I do wonder sometimes if this desire (unless he&#039;s under orders, which is likely I guess) to get out and defend while also not-really-defending-at-all is an echo of internal doubt?

You know, like at the top of the final slope of the failed marriage when you&#039;re saying loudly to all your friends &quot;It&#039;s great, everything&#039;s fine! But I&#039;d rather talk about the weather.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-1/#comment-1094687">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for that link.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, of course. </p>
<p>Wasting his own time, A) not having any effect, because he&#8217;s primarily discussing peripheral nonsense or setting up straw-men and B) because he won&#8217;t allow himself to truly consider what&#8217;s being said to him.</p>
<p>I do wonder sometimes if this desire (unless he&#8217;s under orders, which is likely I guess) to get out and defend while also not-really-defending-at-all is an echo of internal doubt?</p>
<p>You know, like at the top of the final slope of the failed marriage when you&#8217;re saying loudly to all your friends &#8220;It&#8217;s great, everything&#8217;s fine! But I&#8217;d rather talk about the weather.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Veronica		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Veronica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-2/#comment-1094593&quot;&gt;Juicer77&lt;/a&gt;.

I wouldn&#039;t be too sure. I haven&#039;t studied theory since I was a kid. I went to music camp a couple of summers. It was mostly for performance, but there were also daily theory classes. Even bonehead theory was way over my head and (not kidding) made me cry.]]></description>
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<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be too sure. I haven&#8217;t studied theory since I was a kid. I went to music camp a couple of summers. It was mostly for performance, but there were also daily theory classes. Even bonehead theory was way over my head and (not kidding) made me cry.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2015 23:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/21/video-scientology-rehab-salesmen-just-exactly-the-humanitarians-you-imagined/comment-page-2/#comment-1094621&quot;&gt;PlanetJ&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s good to know Planet.. when I get a box I will get the 50w..thanks sweetie.. 



My husband cracks me up.. He says he vapes too, but he&#039;ll go outside and when I kiss him I taste cig.. UH huh..


and I really don&#039;t care at his age.. I told him he doesn&#039;t have to hide it from me.. and he grins.. I don&#039;t know what that is about..


 So I took his Hookah a week ago..and he hasn&#039;t noticed ( hahhaha)]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s good to know Planet.. when I get a box I will get the 50w..thanks sweetie.. </p>
<p>My husband cracks me up.. He says he vapes too, but he&#8217;ll go outside and when I kiss him I taste cig.. UH huh..</p>
<p>and I really don&#8217;t care at his age.. I told him he doesn&#8217;t have to hide it from me.. and he grins.. I don&#8217;t know what that is about..</p>
<p> So I took his Hookah a week ago..and he hasn&#8217;t noticed ( hahhaha)</p>
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