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	Comments on: Why Steve Fishman &#8212; of the notorious Fishman Papers &#8212; is today serving 21 years in prison	</title>
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		By: org-rat 1003		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2017 06:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In that deposition video, Fishman requests a dictionary for the benefit of the interviewer in a tone and manner that I find so hard to believe a non-scientologist could fake the nuances of. I really think that he was a  believing Scientologist however pathologically dishonest and delusional a human being he was generally. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In that deposition video, Fishman requests a dictionary for the benefit of the interviewer in a tone and manner that I find so hard to believe a non-scientologist could fake the nuances of. I really think that he was a  believing Scientologist however pathologically dishonest and delusional a human being he was generally. </p>
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		By: SJ Bobkins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SJ Bobkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1092426&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1092426">indie8million</a>.</p>
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		By: JC		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2016 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read the book and the misogyny doesn&#039;t bother me as much as his lust for underage girls does..Disgusting! I hope he&#039;s someone&#039;s bitch right now]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read the book and the misogyny doesn&#8217;t bother me as much as his lust for underage girls does..Disgusting! I hope he&#8217;s someone&#8217;s bitch right now</p>
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		By: Fink Jonas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fink Jonas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2016 15:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so thought Lonesome Squirrel was for real....well good to know... it would make a good funny movie tho, it would be really really funny, I can see Pee wee playing Fishman, and Marisa Tomei  his wog jewish wife  and Melissa Mcarthy would be Lavenda for Scientology. so many good characters in that book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so thought Lonesome Squirrel was for real&#8230;.well good to know&#8230; it would make a good funny movie tho, it would be really really funny, I can see Pee wee playing Fishman, and Marisa Tomei  his wog jewish wife  and Melissa Mcarthy would be Lavenda for Scientology. so many good characters in that book.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-1339508&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ll do that sometime, since his leaking of the OT materials was a great accomplishment, although the materials were going around among the freezoners and would have come out another way, but in the court case was a nice touch for history.

But trained Scientologists would always be able to pretty much spot the accuracy of the body thetan exorcism stuff.

Once the Class 8 lectures leaked fully, there&#039;s Hubbard&#039;s voice telling the actual Xenu trauma story that is the backstory to all of today&#039;s Scientology&#039;s exorcism to get rid of the body thetans that Xenu kept flying around here on earth.

IN hindsight thinking how Hubbard&#039;s &quot;secrets&quot; all became public, with the internet and ease of sharing written and audible material now, the internet was bound to be the source of Hubbard&#039;s &quot;secrets.&quot;

There&#039;s more to leak, and I hope some CST staff do some leaking someday.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-1339508">MaxSpaceman</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll do that sometime, since his leaking of the OT materials was a great accomplishment, although the materials were going around among the freezoners and would have come out another way, but in the court case was a nice touch for history.</p>
<p>But trained Scientologists would always be able to pretty much spot the accuracy of the body thetan exorcism stuff.</p>
<p>Once the Class 8 lectures leaked fully, there&#8217;s Hubbard&#8217;s voice telling the actual Xenu trauma story that is the backstory to all of today&#8217;s Scientology&#8217;s exorcism to get rid of the body thetans that Xenu kept flying around here on earth.</p>
<p>IN hindsight thinking how Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;secrets&#8221; all became public, with the internet and ease of sharing written and audible material now, the internet was bound to be the source of Hubbard&#8217;s &#8220;secrets.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more to leak, and I hope some CST staff do some leaking someday.</p>
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		By: MaxSpaceman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MaxSpaceman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2016 08:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-1263716&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Watch his long video, in his Apt, with his Lawyer and interviewer.

He&#039;s wearing a white/pink stripped shirt

He has a huge,collection of Scilon products. And a prodigious story of his whole track and Hubbard &quot;theology&quot;.

Watch and comment on his video performance. When you have time. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-1263716">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Watch his long video, in his Apt, with his Lawyer and interviewer.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s wearing a white/pink stripped shirt</p>
<p>He has a huge,collection of Scilon products. And a prodigious story of his whole track and Hubbard &#8220;theology&#8221;.</p>
<p>Watch and comment on his video performance. When you have time. 🙂</p>
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		By: Joe Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2015 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1090856&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

Freaking amazing, almost as amazing as the number of people whose fascination with all things Scientology engage their creative juices/unflat justice buttons here at the Bunker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1090856">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>Freaking amazing, almost as amazing as the number of people whose fascination with all things Scientology engage their creative juices/unflat justice buttons here at the Bunker.</p>
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		By: dagobarbz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dagobarbz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1265112&quot;&gt;ithilien&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s another issue. When it&#039;s Scn vs the world, they turtle up. You might be interested in the status of &#039;Kha-Khan.&#039; Privileged Scientologists who have this status imposed may be trusted by anyone with anything.


Case in point, 16 year old girl entrusted to a Kha-Khan&#039;s care. Well, she wound up being abused and raped, but that&#039;s not the point. The point is, you can TRUST a Kha-Khan. Scientology says so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1265112">ithilien</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s another issue. When it&#8217;s Scn vs the world, they turtle up. You might be interested in the status of &#8216;Kha-Khan.&#8217; Privileged Scientologists who have this status imposed may be trusted by anyone with anything.</p>
<p>Case in point, 16 year old girl entrusted to a Kha-Khan&#8217;s care. Well, she wound up being abused and raped, but that&#8217;s not the point. The point is, you can TRUST a Kha-Khan. Scientology says so.</p>
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		By: ithilien		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ithilien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2015 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1091221&quot;&gt;dagobarbz&lt;/a&gt;.

Within the framework, [of scientology???] you were taught to trust each other? How does this jibe with a KR writing disconnection culture? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-1/#comment-1091221">dagobarbz</a>.</p>
<p>Within the framework, [of scientology???] you were taught to trust each other? How does this jibe with a KR writing disconnection culture? </p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2015 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-1102694&quot;&gt;Annie&lt;/a&gt;.

Two paragraphs, any two paragraphs, from the &quot;Lonesome Squirrel&quot; and it  was enough for me to see he was faking being a Scientologist.   


And why was this accomplished con artist scammer going to these insane lengths to pretend, I think Fishman was lured into taking on this role of a pretend Scientologist, to fake out someone else, this smacks to me of some intel community persons playing on Fishman&#039;s glaring scamer pride, goading Fishman to this pretend fake job for some reason to divert attention for some other stuff that the intel community people wished to distract attention to Fishman.


Fishman to me looks like he&#039;s been conned into playing this con role.


The writing of a real Scientologist would be far more respectful, from Chapter 1.


A real Scientologist would have absorbed actual Scientology respectful attitude and it would NOT have worn off, and Chapter 1 starts out with FIshman&#039;s own personality strongly still evident.


Chapter 1&#039;s lack of the real Scientology member more respectful attitude would NOT be totally lacking, it would not have worn off, it&#039;d still be there and evidenced by the style at the very start of the &quot;Lonesome Squirrel.&quot;


This is mentally unbalanced fake from the first page, and Fishman&#039;s motives, I&#039;d have to dig through all he&#039;s written to get to his own stated motives, to see why he&#039;s even putting on this show.


Does anyone know what his motives were?   Was he trying to get hired by the FBI to infiltrate into Scientology or something?


Looks like he was motivated to scam the FBI that he was a Scientology expert and should be hired by them to infiltrate into Scientology.


Makes me wonder if &quot;we&quot; (OSA/GO) actually put him up to this, to gain access to the FBI and scam the FBI into hiring him, and having Fishman in turn feed &quot;us&quot; (OSA/Scientology) on what the FBI was doing using him.


Like FIshman was a lure that OSA was faking and  creating or goading and manipulating a known scammer person, Fishman, to play act a Scientologist  to sell to the FBI as an infiltrator potential person to infiltrate back on Scientology, pretend.


This is pretty weird conspiracy, but that&#039;s how weird Fishman&#039;s writings come off to me.

FIshman is a case I&#039;d ask Merrell Vanier&#039;s opinion about.   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/19/why-steve-fishman-of-the-notorious-fishman-papers-is-today-serving-21-years-in-prison/comment-page-2/#comment-1102694">Annie</a>.</p>
<p>Two paragraphs, any two paragraphs, from the &#8220;Lonesome Squirrel&#8221; and it  was enough for me to see he was faking being a Scientologist.   </p>
<p>And why was this accomplished con artist scammer going to these insane lengths to pretend, I think Fishman was lured into taking on this role of a pretend Scientologist, to fake out someone else, this smacks to me of some intel community persons playing on Fishman&#8217;s glaring scamer pride, goading Fishman to this pretend fake job for some reason to divert attention for some other stuff that the intel community people wished to distract attention to Fishman.</p>
<p>Fishman to me looks like he&#8217;s been conned into playing this con role.</p>
<p>The writing of a real Scientologist would be far more respectful, from Chapter 1.</p>
<p>A real Scientologist would have absorbed actual Scientology respectful attitude and it would NOT have worn off, and Chapter 1 starts out with FIshman&#8217;s own personality strongly still evident.</p>
<p>Chapter 1&#8217;s lack of the real Scientology member more respectful attitude would NOT be totally lacking, it would not have worn off, it&#8217;d still be there and evidenced by the style at the very start of the &#8220;Lonesome Squirrel.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is mentally unbalanced fake from the first page, and Fishman&#8217;s motives, I&#8217;d have to dig through all he&#8217;s written to get to his own stated motives, to see why he&#8217;s even putting on this show.</p>
<p>Does anyone know what his motives were?   Was he trying to get hired by the FBI to infiltrate into Scientology or something?</p>
<p>Looks like he was motivated to scam the FBI that he was a Scientology expert and should be hired by them to infiltrate into Scientology.</p>
<p>Makes me wonder if &#8220;we&#8221; (OSA/GO) actually put him up to this, to gain access to the FBI and scam the FBI into hiring him, and having Fishman in turn feed &#8220;us&#8221; (OSA/Scientology) on what the FBI was doing using him.</p>
<p>Like FIshman was a lure that OSA was faking and  creating or goading and manipulating a known scammer person, Fishman, to play act a Scientologist  to sell to the FBI as an infiltrator potential person to infiltrate back on Scientology, pretend.</p>
<p>This is pretty weird conspiracy, but that&#8217;s how weird Fishman&#8217;s writings come off to me.</p>
<p>FIshman is a case I&#8217;d ask Merrell Vanier&#8217;s opinion about.   </p>
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