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		By: Susan_Qbird_Poche		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan_Qbird_Poche]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 04:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1084698&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice to talk to you too Indy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1084698">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Nice to talk to you too Indy.</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indie8million]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2015 17:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1084508&quot;&gt;Susan_Qbird_Poche&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey again, Susan. It&#039;s ok about Five Wheel Drive. They were a good group but, alas, no more. Marji can sing alright but, after that overt, she went on staff. haha Those who can&#039;t do, teach. Those who have overts, blow and go into something totally different. Now Marji is the Queen Bee of her own org so she doesn&#039;t have to &quot;sing&quot; back up to anybody but the Sea Org.

Dale LaDuke and Kris Garrett are still doing music (Dale more than Kris at the moment) and are good musicians/performers. Still in, as far as I know.

I didn&#039;t know that you hadn&#039;t been in. For a minute, I thought you were a Susan who used to be on staff at CC Nashville.

In all fairness, there are some things that are beneficial to people. Even though Hubbard is painted with a broad stroke as someone who couldn&#039;t give a shite about anybody but himself, he actually did do some good and did care - even if it was more at the beginning than later on. 

I have many friends - in and out - and all will tell you that they benefited from Scientology in one way or the other. Even some of the Bunkerites here have said as much. So, just like a story in the National Enquirer, there is some truth to it or it wouldn&#039;t stick. But, if you looked at the Bridge like a ladder, there are definitely some rungs missing. ;)

Nice to talk to you, Susan.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1084508">Susan_Qbird_Poche</a>.</p>
<p>Hey again, Susan. It&#8217;s ok about Five Wheel Drive. They were a good group but, alas, no more. Marji can sing alright but, after that overt, she went on staff. haha Those who can&#8217;t do, teach. Those who have overts, blow and go into something totally different. Now Marji is the Queen Bee of her own org so she doesn&#8217;t have to &#8220;sing&#8221; back up to anybody but the Sea Org.</p>
<p>Dale LaDuke and Kris Garrett are still doing music (Dale more than Kris at the moment) and are good musicians/performers. Still in, as far as I know.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know that you hadn&#8217;t been in. For a minute, I thought you were a Susan who used to be on staff at CC Nashville.</p>
<p>In all fairness, there are some things that are beneficial to people. Even though Hubbard is painted with a broad stroke as someone who couldn&#8217;t give a shite about anybody but himself, he actually did do some good and did care &#8211; even if it was more at the beginning than later on. </p>
<p>I have many friends &#8211; in and out &#8211; and all will tell you that they benefited from Scientology in one way or the other. Even some of the Bunkerites here have said as much. So, just like a story in the National Enquirer, there is some truth to it or it wouldn&#8217;t stick. But, if you looked at the Bridge like a ladder, there are definitely some rungs missing. 😉</p>
<p>Nice to talk to you, Susan.</p>
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		By: Susan_Qbird_Poche		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan_Qbird_Poche]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2015 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1084157&quot;&gt;indie8million&lt;/a&gt;.

Hiya Indie ~ yeah, the image of a crappy useless bridge &#039;for sale&#039; always sticks with me when I think on Scn. Inc... so when I get an opportunity to post a photo of one, I do.  I get your point, I think, about ego gettin&#039; in the way of making &#039;good&#039; decisions.  For me, as a person never processed by Hubbard-think, it is still a trap &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; can fall into.  Ah to be human!  
Another apt euphemism might be: &quot;Cutting off the nose to spite the face&quot;, eh?!  I will check out this music group Five Wheel Drive.  C ya &#039;round.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1084157">indie8million</a>.</p>
<p>Hiya Indie ~ yeah, the image of a crappy useless bridge &#8216;for sale&#8217; always sticks with me when I think on Scn. Inc&#8230; so when I get an opportunity to post a photo of one, I do.  I get your point, I think, about ego gettin&#8217; in the way of making &#8216;good&#8217; decisions.  For me, as a person never processed by Hubbard-think, it is still a trap <i>anyone</i> can fall into.  Ah to be human!<br />
Another apt euphemism might be: &#8220;Cutting off the nose to spite the face&#8221;, eh?!  I will check out this music group Five Wheel Drive.  C ya &#8217;round.  🙂</p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indie8million]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2015 10:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1078310&quot;&gt;Susan_Qbird_Poche&lt;/a&gt;.

Haha, Susan. That bridge is surely in trouble. But I meant for their music group. Warner had the pen out to sign and Margie wouldn&#039;t put her ego in her pocket and sing background to anyone so the whole deal sank, just like your bridge here. Yep. Scientologist considering the greatest good for the greatest number. not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1078310">Susan_Qbird_Poche</a>.</p>
<p>Haha, Susan. That bridge is surely in trouble. But I meant for their music group. Warner had the pen out to sign and Margie wouldn&#8217;t put her ego in her pocket and sing background to anyone so the whole deal sank, just like your bridge here. Yep. Scientologist considering the greatest good for the greatest number. not.</p>
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		By: ReallyMGM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ReallyMGM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-2/#comment-1079857&quot;&gt;media_lush&lt;/a&gt;.

No one I know ever accepted the 55 mph limit. It&#039;s gone now anyhow. E type Jags are one of the most beautiful cars made, IMO. We have alway had Brit cars of some sort; love the aesthetics, hate the reliability. We&#039;ve had TR4 (for road racing only) TR7 (worst car ever owned), 2 Lotus Europas S2 and &#039;74, and 65 Élan. Since the Elan is too valuable and impractical as a daily driver in the city, the hubby drives a Honda S2000 CR. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-2/#comment-1079857">media_lush</a>.</p>
<p>No one I know ever accepted the 55 mph limit. It&#8217;s gone now anyhow. E type Jags are one of the most beautiful cars made, IMO. We have alway had Brit cars of some sort; love the aesthetics, hate the reliability. We&#8217;ve had TR4 (for road racing only) TR7 (worst car ever owned), 2 Lotus Europas S2 and &#8217;74, and 65 Élan. Since the Elan is too valuable and impractical as a daily driver in the city, the hubby drives a Honda S2000 CR. </p>
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		By: ReallyMGM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ReallyMGM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-2/#comment-1080108&quot;&gt;5 Feet Long and Luminous&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Thirteen&quot; by Big Star was Eric and Donna&#039;s &quot;song.&quot; Someone on that show&#039;s staff had damned good taste in music (and knew obscure 70s stuff).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-2/#comment-1080108">5 Feet Long and Luminous</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Thirteen&#8221; by Big Star was Eric and Donna&#8217;s &#8220;song.&#8221; Someone on that show&#8217;s staff had damned good taste in music (and knew obscure 70s stuff).</p>
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		By: Four Chin Chutney		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Four Chin Chutney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seriously, dude, you need to GAFL.  Emoticons, comic books, lol&#039;s.   You&#039;re like a pre-hormonal teen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, dude, you need to GAFL.  Emoticons, comic books, lol&#8217;s.   You&#8217;re like a pre-hormonal teen.</p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1081695&quot;&gt;Jimmy3&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh Jesus, yeah sure, I vaguely remember that.

Fuck no. That had nothing to do with it. Pure coincidence.

I&#039;m surprised I come across as that much of a Princess that people would think that.



Well, sorry you got a hard time over it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1081695">Jimmy3</a>.</p>
<p>Oh Jesus, yeah sure, I vaguely remember that.</p>
<p>Fuck no. That had nothing to do with it. Pure coincidence.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised I come across as that much of a Princess that people would think that.</p>
<p>Well, sorry you got a hard time over it.</p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1081696&quot;&gt;Jimmy3&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s...what do you call it...permanent?  Life long? Whatever. But that was the worst episode I&#039;ve had.

I&#039;ll stop tip-toeing because I&#039;ve mentioned it before, it&#039;s Major Depressive Disorder, or Clinical Depression, or a bunch of other names depending which country you&#039;re in.

I&#039;m better-ish now.

Whatever. It&#039;s not cancer and I&#039;m not trapped  in a cult right?

Thanks for your wishes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1081696">Jimmy3</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s&#8230;what do you call it&#8230;permanent?  Life long? Whatever. But that was the worst episode I&#8217;ve had.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop tip-toeing because I&#8217;ve mentioned it before, it&#8217;s Major Depressive Disorder, or Clinical Depression, or a bunch of other names depending which country you&#8217;re in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m better-ish now.</p>
<p>Whatever. It&#8217;s not cancer and I&#8217;m not trapped  in a cult right?</p>
<p>Thanks for your wishes.</p>
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		By: Jimmy3		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2015 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/12/scenes-from-the-increasingly-desperate-straits-scientology-finds-itself-in/comment-page-1/#comment-1081145&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

And I really do hope you&#039;re not still suffering from your illness.  Are you doing all right?  Wishing you well.]]></description>
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<p>And I really do hope you&#8217;re not still suffering from your illness.  Are you doing all right?  Wishing you well.</p>
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