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	Comments on: Scientology&#8217;s front group that targets kids gets cover from a Swiss politician: News report	</title>
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		By: SP Wogsy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SP Wogsy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2015 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1077651&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

Lurker, I found the thread that upset you. This is not the first time that Nat has made derogatory comments about contributions at the Bunker. She is constantly getting into disagreements with other posters and frankly other posters value your input. Please combat. If you look at today&#039;s post the majority of the threads went off topic earlier in the day. I even posted a Baby Wombat for you. 



Trust me. She complains all the time if any comment doesn&#039;t agree with her. You probably missed it, but I had a huge confrontation with her not too long ago about how she treats other posters. Her bark is bigger than her bite. Please come back. A lot of posters missed you the last time you left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1077651">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>Lurker, I found the thread that upset you. This is not the first time that Nat has made derogatory comments about contributions at the Bunker. She is constantly getting into disagreements with other posters and frankly other posters value your input. Please combat. If you look at today&#8217;s post the majority of the threads went off topic earlier in the day. I even posted a Baby Wombat for you. </p>
<p>Trust me. She complains all the time if any comment doesn&#8217;t agree with her. You probably missed it, but I had a huge confrontation with her not too long ago about how she treats other posters. Her bark is bigger than her bite. Please come back. A lot of posters missed you the last time you left.</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086559&quot;&gt;Lucille Austero&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, if you have to ask...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086559">Lucille Austero</a>.</p>
<p>Well, if you have to ask&#8230;</p>
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		By: Margie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1077078&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Richard, I appreciate your effort to educate Ms. Geissbühler. As a Swiss former scientologist, my first impulse was to do the same. But after reading the Tagesanzeiger article Jonny Jacobsen refers to and visiting the websites of both the DDS (Ms. Geissbühler&#039;s umbrella organization) and the VSND (Verein Sag Nein zu Drogen, a Scientology front group), I realized that this would be moot. A Scientologist (Gerhard Bürkli) serves on the board of the DDS, and Andrea Bürkli, who I assume is his spouse, is the president of the VSND. I gather that Ms. Geissbühler would not be open to information about Scientology and Narconon that contradicts what she has been fed by the Bürkli&#039;s. If Ms. Geissbühler so desired, she could find plenty of facts on those organizations on sites in German, such as Wilfried Handl&#039;s blog against Scientology, who, by the way, often links to Bunker articles, or the AGSD (Aufklärungsgemeinschaft über Scientology und Dianetik), a Swiss site run by former Scientologist. 

The DDS has a history of working together with questionable partners as long as they profess to support the DDS&#039;s ideology on drugs. The end justifies the means. Sound familiar?&#039;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1077078">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Richard, I appreciate your effort to educate Ms. Geissbühler. As a Swiss former scientologist, my first impulse was to do the same. But after reading the Tagesanzeiger article Jonny Jacobsen refers to and visiting the websites of both the DDS (Ms. Geissbühler&#8217;s umbrella organization) and the VSND (Verein Sag Nein zu Drogen, a Scientology front group), I realized that this would be moot. A Scientologist (Gerhard Bürkli) serves on the board of the DDS, and Andrea Bürkli, who I assume is his spouse, is the president of the VSND. I gather that Ms. Geissbühler would not be open to information about Scientology and Narconon that contradicts what she has been fed by the Bürkli&#8217;s. If Ms. Geissbühler so desired, she could find plenty of facts on those organizations on sites in German, such as Wilfried Handl&#8217;s blog against Scientology, who, by the way, often links to Bunker articles, or the AGSD (Aufklärungsgemeinschaft über Scientology und Dianetik), a Swiss site run by former Scientologist. </p>
<p>The DDS has a history of working together with questionable partners as long as they profess to support the DDS&#8217;s ideology on drugs. The end justifies the means. Sound familiar?&#8217;</p>
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		By: LongtimeLurker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LongtimeLurker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086531&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re right, I&#039;m sorry.

He was just saying &quot;You support child abuse.&quot; Over and over again.

edit - made him stop though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086531">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>He was just saying &#8220;You support child abuse.&#8221; Over and over again.</p>
<p>edit &#8211; made him stop though.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086559&quot;&gt;Lucille Austero&lt;/a&gt;.

Sounds like six of one, half a dozen of the other...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086559">Lucille Austero</a>.</p>
<p>Sounds like six of one, half a dozen of the other&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lucille Austero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucille Austero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086528&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

Noted. So am I Kitty or the half-wit ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1086528">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>Noted. So am I Kitty or the half-wit 😉</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1080031&quot;&gt;LongtimeLurker&lt;/a&gt;.

Ahem.


Please copy and paste replies before commencing.


That way when the cowardly troll slinks away we can still follow the conversation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1080031">LongtimeLurker</a>.</p>
<p>Ahem.</p>
<p>Please copy and paste replies before commencing.</p>
<p>That way when the cowardly troll slinks away we can still follow the conversation.</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1080606&quot;&gt;Lucille Austero&lt;/a&gt;.

LUCILLE!


You. Must. COPY. And. Paste. &lt;i&gt;EVERYTHING&lt;/i&gt; cowardly troll says as soon as it is posted, and only then reply. That way, when cowardly troll edits comment, or deletes them as they slink away, we can enjoy the witty banter.


Reading this is like listening in on one end of a phone conversation between Kitty Carlisle and a half-wit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1080606">Lucille Austero</a>.</p>
<p>LUCILLE!</p>
<p>You. Must. COPY. And. Paste. <i>EVERYTHING</i> cowardly troll says as soon as it is posted, and only then reply. That way, when cowardly troll edits comment, or deletes them as they slink away, we can enjoy the witty banter.</p>
<p>Reading this is like listening in on one end of a phone conversation between Kitty Carlisle and a half-wit.</p>
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		By: sockit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sockit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2015 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1082469&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

Listen, I get it,  I get, that,  in your Douglas D. Douglas world, in your Douglas D. Douglas view, I am lying. I would not deny that. I get that in your Douglas D. Douglas world, in your Douglas D. Douglas view, it is a clearly demonstrated fact,  I would not challenge you on that. 


 As for out here, in the real world, where real people  live and where  considerate intelligent people not affiliated with the underground bunker think and sort information and where considerate rational people who know what  clearly demonstrated facts are, and where  my actual intent is, no, I am not lying. 


But make no mistake I get that you believe that your fantastic words are magic,and that  you just say it and the other person magically are what you imagined, and that is real for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1082469">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>Listen, I get it,  I get, that,  in your Douglas D. Douglas world, in your Douglas D. Douglas view, I am lying. I would not deny that. I get that in your Douglas D. Douglas world, in your Douglas D. Douglas view, it is a clearly demonstrated fact,  I would not challenge you on that. </p>
<p> As for out here, in the real world, where real people  live and where  considerate intelligent people not affiliated with the underground bunker think and sort information and where considerate rational people who know what  clearly demonstrated facts are, and where  my actual intent is, no, I am not lying. </p>
<p>But make no mistake I get that you believe that your fantastic words are magic,and that  you just say it and the other person magically are what you imagined, and that is real for you.</p>
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		By: sockit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sockit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2015 12:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1081394&quot;&gt;Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII&lt;/a&gt;.

Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIIIis,  is this the definition you defer to when say &quot;balanced&quot;? 

From on line dictionary: 

&quot;keeping or showing a balance; arranged in good proportions.

&quot;taking everything into account; fairly judged or presented.&quot;

&quot;accurate and balanced information&quot;

&quot;synonyms:fair, equitable, just, unbiased, unprejudiced, objective, impartial, even-handed, dispassionate&quot;

&quot;a balanced view&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/08/11/scientologys-front-group-that-targets-kids-gets-cover-from-a-swiss-politician-news-report/comment-page-2/#comment-1081394">Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII</a>.</p>
<p>Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIIIis,  is this the definition you defer to when say &#8220;balanced&#8221;? </p>
<p>From on line dictionary: </p>
<p>&#8220;keeping or showing a balance; arranged in good proportions.</p>
<p>&#8220;taking everything into account; fairly judged or presented.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;accurate and balanced information&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;synonyms:fair, equitable, just, unbiased, unprejudiced, objective, impartial, even-handed, dispassionate&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;a balanced view&#8221;</p>
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