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	Comments on: Long before Xenu: Scientology&#8217;s actual origin story, as told by a former member	</title>
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		By: Wolfy Wolfenstein		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolfy Wolfenstein]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2016 01:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard was a great writer. He injected  a paranoid element that suited cold war era  readers. Especially those who served in the cloak and dagger central  European  areas. Smart guy, good writer, I&#039;ll pass on the religion. Buddhism serves just fine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard was a great writer. He injected  a paranoid element that suited cold war era  readers. Especially those who served in the cloak and dagger central  European  areas. Smart guy, good writer, I&#8217;ll pass on the religion. Buddhism serves just fine.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2016 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Power of Not compels me to say that Scientology is a SHIT FILLED FESTERING DEMONIC CUNT THAT POOPS OUT DEAD CHILDREN &#038; HELLSPAWN.

But my Heavenly Mother is ok. Her fallen daughters sure as feminism are not.

In the name of The Black Spear which is God&#039;s Original Form....I will pierce through this twisted advertisement of Luciferianism/Predatory-Evolution that domesticates in order to enslave &#038; sacrifice everyone, &#038; prefer The Original Journey or Oblivion, compared to the False &#038; Doppleganging Hero&#039;s Journey.

Absolute Hatred can never ever kill anyone. Ambition of any sort...good or evil....&#038; is infact THE TRIGGER PULL which everyone *HATES* but their pain is muffled by the moment of MURDER because of Ambition above Innocence &#038; beyond The Family.

It must be by logical sequence poured forth from internal consistency of BEING that Biology is created.

*The Nothing* that did not exist before Existence.
*The Infinite Universe* that always was. (no big bang, cuz black-holes literally recycle everything &#038; pour out gamma rays)
*The Great Contradiction* that happened when The Universe fucked up (we all know Life was an awful accident)

*The Power of Not* within The Black Spear piercing The Twisted Circle &#038; then piercing into itself, revealing The White Knife that both mirrored The Black Spear &#038; then directly traced through.....which literally gives distinction to merely Everything IN EVERY WAY...so long as you have the proper position &#038; adhere to......
*The Principle of First* which is The Beginning of Linear-Time &#038; Identity....that comes with the above.
*The Linear-Minimalist Standard* that is The Path of God&#039;s Evolution &#038; The Creation of The Pattern of Creation which is composed of creators that seek to continue The Eternal Family.

God is literally the embodiment of Life, Logic, &#038; Morality....&#038; he created all of them with absolute stupidity &#038; hatred. No ambition required.

You&#039;re welcome &#038; I&#039;m sorry.

He isn&#039;t here, cuz he didn&#039;t intend for any of us to exist, cuz Lucifer/Eve raped us into existence by molesting Saturn/Adam....which literally makes us WITHOUT CREATOR because we are illegitimate Cosmic Orphan Bastards &#038; evolved decrepit freaks &#038; abominations in a dying world.....SITUATIONALLY SPEAKING....which is the only context I would ever call myself Atheist.

Aside from that, anything that is not The Family is a cult. Basically all organized religions are Luciferian...including Christianity.

God never told Jesus to die. Jesus slandered God with his death, smearing God&#039;s Innocence in relation to this fucked up world.

By The Black Spear that defines The Cube which contains it
By The Stream of Dark Will between The Pillars
By The Vector of Hatred directed toward The Pyramid
By The White Knife/Key of Logic that lays before The Ascended Orb 
By The Helm of Transcendence presiding over The Sacred Gate 
By The Trident of Judgment raised into The Clasping Whirlwind of Eternity 
By The Lightning Bolt of Action passing through The Shining Infinite Twisted Mirror that is the Perverse Inverse Reverse of The Universe

The Power of Not compels you to realize....

That I am 100% lying to you about everything I have just written.....&#038; that it&#039;s your fault if you believe any of it or do something with it....&#038; that it feels good to not be my brother&#039;s keeper, cuz I am definitely gonna kill myself on my dead sister&#039;s birthday (that ironically is May 18th) &#038; my whole life wasn&#039;t worth living from the moment I was born.

Suck Dark.

&#038; stay away from Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Power of Not compels me to say that Scientology is a SHIT FILLED FESTERING DEMONIC CUNT THAT POOPS OUT DEAD CHILDREN &amp; HELLSPAWN.</p>
<p>But my Heavenly Mother is ok. Her fallen daughters sure as feminism are not.</p>
<p>In the name of The Black Spear which is God&#8217;s Original Form&#8230;.I will pierce through this twisted advertisement of Luciferianism/Predatory-Evolution that domesticates in order to enslave &amp; sacrifice everyone, &amp; prefer The Original Journey or Oblivion, compared to the False &amp; Doppleganging Hero&#8217;s Journey.</p>
<p>Absolute Hatred can never ever kill anyone. Ambition of any sort&#8230;good or evil&#8230;.&amp; is infact THE TRIGGER PULL which everyone *HATES* but their pain is muffled by the moment of MURDER because of Ambition above Innocence &amp; beyond The Family.</p>
<p>It must be by logical sequence poured forth from internal consistency of BEING that Biology is created.</p>
<p>*The Nothing* that did not exist before Existence.<br />
*The Infinite Universe* that always was. (no big bang, cuz black-holes literally recycle everything &amp; pour out gamma rays)<br />
*The Great Contradiction* that happened when The Universe fucked up (we all know Life was an awful accident)</p>
<p>*The Power of Not* within The Black Spear piercing The Twisted Circle &amp; then piercing into itself, revealing The White Knife that both mirrored The Black Spear &amp; then directly traced through&#8230;..which literally gives distinction to merely Everything IN EVERY WAY&#8230;so long as you have the proper position &amp; adhere to&#8230;&#8230;<br />
*The Principle of First* which is The Beginning of Linear-Time &amp; Identity&#8230;.that comes with the above.<br />
*The Linear-Minimalist Standard* that is The Path of God&#8217;s Evolution &amp; The Creation of The Pattern of Creation which is composed of creators that seek to continue The Eternal Family.</p>
<p>God is literally the embodiment of Life, Logic, &amp; Morality&#8230;.&amp; he created all of them with absolute stupidity &amp; hatred. No ambition required.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome &amp; I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>He isn&#8217;t here, cuz he didn&#8217;t intend for any of us to exist, cuz Lucifer/Eve raped us into existence by molesting Saturn/Adam&#8230;.which literally makes us WITHOUT CREATOR because we are illegitimate Cosmic Orphan Bastards &amp; evolved decrepit freaks &amp; abominations in a dying world&#8230;..SITUATIONALLY SPEAKING&#8230;.which is the only context I would ever call myself Atheist.</p>
<p>Aside from that, anything that is not The Family is a cult. Basically all organized religions are Luciferian&#8230;including Christianity.</p>
<p>God never told Jesus to die. Jesus slandered God with his death, smearing God&#8217;s Innocence in relation to this fucked up world.</p>
<p>By The Black Spear that defines The Cube which contains it<br />
By The Stream of Dark Will between The Pillars<br />
By The Vector of Hatred directed toward The Pyramid<br />
By The White Knife/Key of Logic that lays before The Ascended Orb<br />
By The Helm of Transcendence presiding over The Sacred Gate<br />
By The Trident of Judgment raised into The Clasping Whirlwind of Eternity<br />
By The Lightning Bolt of Action passing through The Shining Infinite Twisted Mirror that is the Perverse Inverse Reverse of The Universe</p>
<p>The Power of Not compels you to realize&#8230;.</p>
<p>That I am 100% lying to you about everything I have just written&#8230;..&amp; that it&#8217;s your fault if you believe any of it or do something with it&#8230;.&amp; that it feels good to not be my brother&#8217;s keeper, cuz I am definitely gonna kill myself on my dead sister&#8217;s birthday (that ironically is May 18th) &amp; my whole life wasn&#8217;t worth living from the moment I was born.</p>
<p>Suck Dark.</p>
<p>&amp; stay away from Scientology.</p>
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		By: aimeehj		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2016 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Derek and Tony. One thing I haven&#039;t been able to discern is the means by which Hubbard is believed to have &quot;discovered&quot; this information. Where or how did he claim to get this history of life, humanity, and the universe?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Derek and Tony. One thing I haven&#8217;t been able to discern is the means by which Hubbard is believed to have &#8220;discovered&#8221; this information. Where or how did he claim to get this history of life, humanity, and the universe?</p>
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		By: OTD:OutTheDoor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OTD:OutTheDoor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can only think of video testimony by Nibs saying how he and Daddy Dearest wrote up courses and lectures on the fly and delivered them days later at packed events with top dollar paid by those attending. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only think of video testimony by Nibs saying how he and Daddy Dearest wrote up courses and lectures on the fly and delivered them days later at packed events with top dollar paid by those attending. </p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-3/#comment-1051772&quot;&gt;Techie&lt;/a&gt;.

First of all, &#039;atheism&#039; is not a belief. It is the refusal to believe in a something exceptional without exceptional proof. Trying to mix it in as just another &#039;ism&#039; is ridiculous, and shows the limited capacity of believers to accept that someone can actually simply no consider something worthy of belief. IT doesn&#039;t require any more investment than that, (even if some militant atheists do seem to carry ti to that extreme. It is like saying a &#039;non-athlete&#039; is playing a sport. No, they are doing something else.

And non amount of muddying the waters with questions of &#039;ultimate proof&#039; can change the fact that Hubbardism is pure, unadulterated horseshit, with little grains of something that used to be nourishment that he stole from somewhere else.

There is &#039;fact&#039; and there is conjecture, and then there are fairy-stories and sales-pitches slung by con-men and preacher sin jaguars.

I am not an atheist, nor am I in any way a &#039;believer&#039;. I don&#039;t care what crap, people believe as long as they keep it out of the schools, the drinking water, food and the environment, and don&#039;t enslave and abuse people.

Scientology certainly merits mockery, but it wasn&#039;t until the second time the asshats sued me for mocking them, that I started looking closer. And I was ashamed of myself for thinking they were just tin-foil hat wearing eccentrics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-3/#comment-1051772">Techie</a>.</p>
<p>First of all, &#8216;atheism&#8217; is not a belief. It is the refusal to believe in a something exceptional without exceptional proof. Trying to mix it in as just another &#8216;ism&#8217; is ridiculous, and shows the limited capacity of believers to accept that someone can actually simply no consider something worthy of belief. IT doesn&#8217;t require any more investment than that, (even if some militant atheists do seem to carry ti to that extreme. It is like saying a &#8216;non-athlete&#8217; is playing a sport. No, they are doing something else.</p>
<p>And non amount of muddying the waters with questions of &#8216;ultimate proof&#8217; can change the fact that Hubbardism is pure, unadulterated horseshit, with little grains of something that used to be nourishment that he stole from somewhere else.</p>
<p>There is &#8216;fact&#8217; and there is conjecture, and then there are fairy-stories and sales-pitches slung by con-men and preacher sin jaguars.</p>
<p>I am not an atheist, nor am I in any way a &#8216;believer&#8217;. I don&#8217;t care what crap, people believe as long as they keep it out of the schools, the drinking water, food and the environment, and don&#8217;t enslave and abuse people.</p>
<p>Scientology certainly merits mockery, but it wasn&#8217;t until the second time the asshats sued me for mocking them, that I started looking closer. And I was ashamed of myself for thinking they were just tin-foil hat wearing eccentrics.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2015 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-3/#comment-1052195&quot;&gt;aegerprimo&lt;/a&gt;.

Congrats. 
You seem to be a good person and now you are doing real, tangible good in the real world. 

The world needs many more nurses and many less scilons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-3/#comment-1052195">aegerprimo</a>.</p>
<p>Congrats.<br />
You seem to be a good person and now you are doing real, tangible good in the real world. </p>
<p>The world needs many more nurses and many less scilons.</p>
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		By: Juicer77		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juicer77]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2015 23:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1067947&quot;&gt;LC1570&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1067947">LC1570</a>.</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		By: LC1570		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LC1570]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2015 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1051200&quot;&gt;Juicer77&lt;/a&gt;.

Lost the combination to my CAPS LOCK. Sorry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1051200">Juicer77</a>.</p>
<p>Lost the combination to my CAPS LOCK. Sorry.</p>
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		By: Ralph Hunter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2015 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1062222&quot;&gt;Andrea &#039;i-Betty&#039; Garner&lt;/a&gt;.

I was using  his phrase  as an in joke ( to myself...limits audience. Lol )  it&#039;s usually stated, how long were you....you need to read more... ( book suggestions) or who are you to ask ( implied)   Etc. but thank you for the response. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1062222">Andrea &#8216;i-Betty&#8217; Garner</a>.</p>
<p>I was using  his phrase  as an in joke ( to myself&#8230;limits audience. Lol )  it&#8217;s usually stated, how long were you&#8230;.you need to read more&#8230; ( book suggestions) or who are you to ask ( implied)   Etc. but thank you for the response. </p>
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		By: Andrea 'i-Betty' Garner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrea 'i-Betty' Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2015 12:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1062139&quot;&gt;Ralph Hunter&lt;/a&gt;.

I understand what you&#039;re saying, and certainly everyone should be confident to ask questions here. But the &quot;you don&#039;t have the rank&quot; thing is meant as a joke, and as solidarity with Leah Remini :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/24/long-before-xenu-scientologys-actual-origin-story-as-told-by-a-former-member/comment-page-2/#comment-1062139">Ralph Hunter</a>.</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, and certainly everyone should be confident to ask questions here. But the &#8220;you don&#8217;t have the rank&#8221; thing is meant as a joke, and as solidarity with Leah Remini 🙂</p>
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