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	Comments on: Nick Lister: Scientology asked me to seduce Mike Rinder&#8217;s wife in a spy operation	</title>
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		By: Toppa Yposition		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toppa Yposition]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2017 22:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The amazing thing is that people don&#039;t seem to accept that commercial-democracy and the entire body of laws that trick everyone but the very few minority is at the heart of the problem of people being allowed to ruin other peoples lives and therefore the entire world. Freedom and tolerance of religion is a law that is and has always been wrong. Multiculturalism is a law in Canada that has always been a social experiment and has always been wrong. Religion is not inside a person it is inside the land. The environment makes us need to adjust behavior, before technology controlled the environment at the level it does now. That behavior control was religion first and then law as the government saw the usefulness of imaginary controls on empty minded ape slaves. So what I am saying is a desert with marauding bands of horny rag heads and tigers and lions circling the camp creates a violent couture or cult, old bible cult. This never ever transports to the Nootka or the Salish or the Inca or the Asians. Your belief in supernatural must at least mate with the natural. Live by a volcano and you need a volcano god with bi-polar disease to match the ignorant apes that choose to live on the foothills. All religion is crime and all laws that force freedom of religion are criminal laws designed to harm people so that the law can &quot;sell&quot; the need for more government and protection rackets to otherwise simple normal ape/humans who all want peace and fulfillment with some happiness. Shame on every thinking person for not seeing the two step dance. If the law had an ounce of righteousness it would have long ago ride us of abusive cults for starters and then to rid us of the liar cults. They all need to be transmogrified into community centers, and the money they stolen all these years need to be investing in birth control for ignorant apes below the standard IQ of 80.  But when you have an IQ of 214 this world is pure hell if there was such a place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amazing thing is that people don&#8217;t seem to accept that commercial-democracy and the entire body of laws that trick everyone but the very few minority is at the heart of the problem of people being allowed to ruin other peoples lives and therefore the entire world. Freedom and tolerance of religion is a law that is and has always been wrong. Multiculturalism is a law in Canada that has always been a social experiment and has always been wrong. Religion is not inside a person it is inside the land. The environment makes us need to adjust behavior, before technology controlled the environment at the level it does now. That behavior control was religion first and then law as the government saw the usefulness of imaginary controls on empty minded ape slaves. So what I am saying is a desert with marauding bands of horny rag heads and tigers and lions circling the camp creates a violent couture or cult, old bible cult. This never ever transports to the Nootka or the Salish or the Inca or the Asians. Your belief in supernatural must at least mate with the natural. Live by a volcano and you need a volcano god with bi-polar disease to match the ignorant apes that choose to live on the foothills. All religion is crime and all laws that force freedom of religion are criminal laws designed to harm people so that the law can &#8220;sell&#8221; the need for more government and protection rackets to otherwise simple normal ape/humans who all want peace and fulfillment with some happiness. Shame on every thinking person for not seeing the two step dance. If the law had an ounce of righteousness it would have long ago ride us of abusive cults for starters and then to rid us of the liar cults. They all need to be transmogrified into community centers, and the money they stolen all these years need to be investing in birth control for ignorant apes below the standard IQ of 80.  But when you have an IQ of 214 this world is pure hell if there was such a place.</p>
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		By: 5% Hov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[5% Hov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sakou Nkrumah?
Didn&#039;t he just get sentenced and jailed for 5 years for raping a minor??

WOW]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sakou Nkrumah?<br />
Didn&#8217;t he just get sentenced and jailed for 5 years for raping a minor??</p>
<p>WOW</p>
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		By: Ralph Hunter		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1061230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2015 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1034902&quot;&gt;MarcabExpat&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the link
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1034902">MarcabExpat</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link</p>
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		By: Doug Parent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Parent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1044099&quot;&gt;Ginger Sugerman&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Ginger. I hope all the sons and daughters come home soon. For you, Lori and all the others. There are too many others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1044099">Ginger Sugerman</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Ginger. I hope all the sons and daughters come home soon. For you, Lori and all the others. There are too many others.</p>
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		By: Doug Parent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Parent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1036565&quot;&gt;Annabelle&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the props. This is why I continue to write and post. Hopefully my words will resonate with those who might be watching. While I got a lot out of my time in Scientology, it does not negate the damage that was caused to so many. And it&#039;s totally unnecessary. One day I hope anyone who has any interest in the subject will be able to go elsewhere other than the cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1036565">Annabelle</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the props. This is why I continue to write and post. Hopefully my words will resonate with those who might be watching. While I got a lot out of my time in Scientology, it does not negate the damage that was caused to so many. And it&#8217;s totally unnecessary. One day I hope anyone who has any interest in the subject will be able to go elsewhere other than the cult.</p>
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		By: Doug Parent		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1045157</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Parent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1040206&quot;&gt;Ralph Hunter&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes. And don&#039;t forget that their own &quot;wins&quot; are recorded and verified by an &quot;examiner&quot; after each auditing session. When a person is done revealing their wins or revelations, the examiner always always always asks the question..&quot;would you want others to have similar gains as yours?&quot;  Also, say if you got some auditing and had a good outcome. But let&#039;s also assume that before you got your auditing, you had to pay for it at a rate that you thought was unfair or prohibitive. Well, you quickly find out that to complain about the price of auditing (even though you got something out of it) would quickly land you in trouble with the organization. My point is that there is organizationally and culturally motivated censorship. Scientologist learn to smile and keep quiet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1040206">Ralph Hunter</a>.</p>
<p>Yes. And don&#8217;t forget that their own &#8220;wins&#8221; are recorded and verified by an &#8220;examiner&#8221; after each auditing session. When a person is done revealing their wins or revelations, the examiner always always always asks the question..&#8221;would you want others to have similar gains as yours?&#8221;  Also, say if you got some auditing and had a good outcome. But let&#8217;s also assume that before you got your auditing, you had to pay for it at a rate that you thought was unfair or prohibitive. Well, you quickly find out that to complain about the price of auditing (even though you got something out of it) would quickly land you in trouble with the organization. My point is that there is organizationally and culturally motivated censorship. Scientologist learn to smile and keep quiet.</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really like the way Nick tells it like it is and hold&#039;s nothing back in his expressions. Kathy True is one real peace of work!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like the way Nick tells it like it is and hold&#8217;s nothing back in his expressions. Kathy True is one real peace of work!!!</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035072&quot;&gt;Doug Parent&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow Doug that is down right dirty tricks played by the $cientology. So happy you looked into making your own decision so the right answer was found. Congratulations for keeping your family in tact. !!! Whoot Whoot !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035072">Doug Parent</a>.</p>
<p>Wow Doug that is down right dirty tricks played by the $cientology. So happy you looked into making your own decision so the right answer was found. Congratulations for keeping your family in tact. !!! Whoot Whoot !</p>
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		By: TheLurkingHorror		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheLurkingHorror]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2015 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035324&quot;&gt;Jimmy3&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;This guy is going to pay for the PTS/SP course for the 4th time?  And it&#039;s because of the evil cult?&quot;


And he will likely be disconnecting from a loved one who he will find out during the course is the secret SP in his life. Piling heartache upon heartache. So very sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035324">Jimmy3</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;This guy is going to pay for the PTS/SP course for the 4th time?  And it&#8217;s because of the evil cult?&#8221;</p>
<p>And he will likely be disconnecting from a loved one who he will find out during the course is the secret SP in his life. Piling heartache upon heartache. So very sad.</p>
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		By: Ralph Hunter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph Hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2015 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035521&quot;&gt;Doug Parent&lt;/a&gt;.

Brilliant comment]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/15/nick-lister-scientology-asked-me-to-seduce-mike-rinders-wife-in-a-spy-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-1035521">Doug Parent</a>.</p>
<p>Brilliant comment</p>
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