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		By: daytoncapri		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1036757&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

Fair enough. As an FYI ... Feldekraise has nothing to do with NLP. It is a way of understanding body movement in the context of physical rehab, on of the many offerings of this alternative health clinic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1036757">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>Fair enough. As an FYI &#8230; Feldekraise has nothing to do with NLP. It is a way of understanding body movement in the context of physical rehab, on of the many offerings of this alternative health clinic.</p>
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		By: Jester1137		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 08:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-2/#comment-1033953&quot;&gt;ze moo&lt;/a&gt;.

Rogers, like Stewart, could match Twain for pithy zingers.  But neither could touch his actual ability as a writer of both entertaining fiction and down right stunning political analysis and serious social commentary.

Only Franklin ever came close to Twain, but of course he wasn&#039;t a novelist.

To really get how much more Twain was, try &quot;King Leopold&#039;s Soliloquy &quot; or &quot;To the person sitting in darkness&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-2/#comment-1033953">ze moo</a>.</p>
<p>Rogers, like Stewart, could match Twain for pithy zingers.  But neither could touch his actual ability as a writer of both entertaining fiction and down right stunning political analysis and serious social commentary.</p>
<p>Only Franklin ever came close to Twain, but of course he wasn&#8217;t a novelist.</p>
<p>To really get how much more Twain was, try &#8220;King Leopold&#8217;s Soliloquy &#8221; or &#8220;To the person sitting in darkness&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Markthehungarian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Markthehungarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036783&quot;&gt;Markthehungarian&lt;/a&gt;.

I love the 3-way &quot;let&#039;s video each other&quot; gangbang. Only a Scientologist can think this is ok.  Loony tunes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036783">Markthehungarian</a>.</p>
<p>I love the 3-way &#8220;let&#8217;s video each other&#8221; gangbang. Only a Scientologist can think this is ok.  Loony tunes.</p>
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		By: Markthehungarian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1033090&quot;&gt;RBE&lt;/a&gt;.

Sad to say that Viktor Madarasz is guaranteed to be a Hungarian. (bows head in shame)


I can&#039;t believe how many Hungarians have fallen for this bullshit hook, line and sinker.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1033090">RBE</a>.</p>
<p>Sad to say that Viktor Madarasz is guaranteed to be a Hungarian. (bows head in shame)</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe how many Hungarians have fallen for this bullshit hook, line and sinker.</p>
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		By: Mockingbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1036622&quot;&gt;daytoncapri&lt;/a&gt;.

Never heard of that one but any NLP activity is one I will not endorse . One of the problems with NLP is that it involves covertly manipulating people in a way that is unethical for most people.  I would read a bit of critical info on NLP if I were you to be wise to any tricks he might want to pull on you . And I must stress that it is a fraud and pseudoscience packed with lies . ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1036622">daytoncapri</a>.</p>
<p>Never heard of that one but any NLP activity is one I will not endorse . One of the problems with NLP is that it involves covertly manipulating people in a way that is unethical for most people.  I would read a bit of critical info on NLP if I were you to be wise to any tricks he might want to pull on you . And I must stress that it is a fraud and pseudoscience packed with lies . </p>
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		By: daytoncapri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daytoncapri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1034547&quot;&gt;Mockingbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I was curious about NLP until I read up on it.  Thank you, Father Google.  

My sis-in-law works at an alternative health clinic that offers a mix of offerings. One fellow in residence has a masters in counseling, masters of divinity and certs in NLP.   I don&#039;t want to go near that guy, but I am told that he&#039;s not a cultish leader sort-of-guy, and that his personal 1-on-1 counseling style really does help people. Just reporting.

Also offered in the clinic: Feldenkraise ...any opinions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1034547">Mockingbird</a>.</p>
<p>I was curious about NLP until I read up on it.  Thank you, Father Google.  </p>
<p>My sis-in-law works at an alternative health clinic that offers a mix of offerings. One fellow in residence has a masters in counseling, masters of divinity and certs in NLP.   I don&#8217;t want to go near that guy, but I am told that he&#8217;s not a cultish leader sort-of-guy, and that his personal 1-on-1 counseling style really does help people. Just reporting.</p>
<p>Also offered in the clinic: Feldenkraise &#8230;any opinions?</p>
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		By: daytoncapri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daytoncapri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1034592&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

In a way, you played them.  http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4681357/applause-o.gif]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-3/#comment-1034592">DodoTheLaser</a>.</p>
<p>In a way, you played them.  <a href="http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4681357/applause-o.gif" rel="nofollow ugc">http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/4681357/applause-o.gif</a></p>
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		By: Coronnet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coronnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036262&quot;&gt;SJFriedl&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t buy it. Not having to behave or talk decently is why most are here.This blog gives people a chance to talk in ways that are totally unacceptable in considerate decent society and gives them the opportunity and agreement to spend each day ridiculing others and expressing resentment and cynicism.

Opportunism and lack of integrity and chewing up workers and spitting them out, taking advantage of people, luring people into cons to take their $, families suffering from extreme endeavours and all that is old human behaviour found in scientology is cliched. It aint special and it aint no big deal. Humans at their worst all do this kind of thing. And grinding about 24/7  in a like minded group  is useful? It&#039;s therapeutic? Not a chance IMO. It is the best possible way of staying stuck I can imagine. There is no interest or commitment to moving anything forward. 

I can see from a mile away that scientology is a fail  stuck in archaic thinking because it turned polices by a neurotic person with a dream of being more special than anyone else, into rigid scripture.  Big deal. This community has turned it into a hobby. I do not recommend anyone touch scientology and I do recommend people who were involved moving on to greener pastures and if you were never involved moving on to greener pastures, and if you were harmed or mistreated by scientology pressing charges with local authorities. Joining a GROUP where one can celebrate hate and talk about an egregiously  flawed group is a disastrous hobby IMO , almost as bad as being in that group. This is my last comment on this topic and on this blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036262">SJFriedl</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy it. Not having to behave or talk decently is why most are here.This blog gives people a chance to talk in ways that are totally unacceptable in considerate decent society and gives them the opportunity and agreement to spend each day ridiculing others and expressing resentment and cynicism.</p>
<p>Opportunism and lack of integrity and chewing up workers and spitting them out, taking advantage of people, luring people into cons to take their $, families suffering from extreme endeavours and all that is old human behaviour found in scientology is cliched. It aint special and it aint no big deal. Humans at their worst all do this kind of thing. And grinding about 24/7  in a like minded group  is useful? It&#8217;s therapeutic? Not a chance IMO. It is the best possible way of staying stuck I can imagine. There is no interest or commitment to moving anything forward. </p>
<p>I can see from a mile away that scientology is a fail  stuck in archaic thinking because it turned polices by a neurotic person with a dream of being more special than anyone else, into rigid scripture.  Big deal. This community has turned it into a hobby. I do not recommend anyone touch scientology and I do recommend people who were involved moving on to greener pastures and if you were never involved moving on to greener pastures, and if you were harmed or mistreated by scientology pressing charges with local authorities. Joining a GROUP where one can celebrate hate and talk about an egregiously  flawed group is a disastrous hobby IMO , almost as bad as being in that group. This is my last comment on this topic and on this blog.</p>
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		By: SJFriedl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036248&quot;&gt;Coronnet&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s certainly true in the general case, but I can&#039;t imagine it&#039;s the case here: John&#039;s actions were likely driven by a real-deal, genuine, well-informed and understandable passion against the group,


I get the impression that you&#039;re relatively new to the study of this cult, and it&#039;s hard to overstate just how awful this group is, from top to bottom.  This evil behavior goes back *decades*.  There is a rich library of material about this cult, and I&#039;d really urge you to read some of it; start with Tony&#039;s book - it&#039;s superbly written, and it will open your eyes.


Anyway, I understand why people have such strong feelings about it, but I believe that having a very good reason to hate somebody doesn&#039;t give license to lose all sense of common decency.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036248">Coronnet</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s certainly true in the general case, but I can&#8217;t imagine it&#8217;s the case here: John&#8217;s actions were likely driven by a real-deal, genuine, well-informed and understandable passion against the group,</p>
<p>I get the impression that you&#8217;re relatively new to the study of this cult, and it&#8217;s hard to overstate just how awful this group is, from top to bottom.  This evil behavior goes back *decades*.  There is a rich library of material about this cult, and I&#8217;d really urge you to read some of it; start with Tony&#8217;s book &#8211; it&#8217;s superbly written, and it will open your eyes.</p>
<p>Anyway, I understand why people have such strong feelings about it, but I believe that having a very good reason to hate somebody doesn&#8217;t give license to lose all sense of common decency.</p>
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		By: Coronnet		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coronnet]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2015 01:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036205&quot;&gt;SJFriedl&lt;/a&gt;.

Some who are attracted to protest culture are  individuals who are looking for an occasion to express anger, hatred, hurt, and upset and issues and  they really do not care what the cause is, just a place where they can blend in and hurt others.  They are usually the ones who ruin peaceful protests and escalate things to riot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/14/wise-beard-man-visits-scientology-new-fantasyland-in-clearwater/comment-page-1/#comment-1036205">SJFriedl</a>.</p>
<p>Some who are attracted to protest culture are  individuals who are looking for an occasion to express anger, hatred, hurt, and upset and issues and  they really do not care what the cause is, just a place where they can blend in and hurt others.  They are usually the ones who ruin peaceful protests and escalate things to riot.</p>
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