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	Comments on: The story of Brian Sheen and his &#8216;disconnected&#8217; Scientology daughter you haven&#8217;t heard	</title>
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		By: flower girl 95		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2015 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just read this story. Why not file a lawsuit against Scientology for libel and slander? This &quot;Declare&quot; is hurting Brian Sheen&#039;s business, and in this case, has nothing to do with religion. Everyone who gets &quot;declared&quot; should retaliate, at the very least, by complaining to the authorities about libel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this story. Why not file a lawsuit against Scientology for libel and slander? This &#8220;Declare&#8221; is hurting Brian Sheen&#8217;s business, and in this case, has nothing to do with religion. Everyone who gets &#8220;declared&#8221; should retaliate, at the very least, by complaining to the authorities about libel.</p>
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		By: Brian J. Sheen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian J. Sheen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-3/#comment-1045725&quot;&gt;Vich Bradley&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG ! We can&#039;t sit idly by allowing this to continue as this has got to stop. Together  we can find a way to make a difference. I am working on more approaches and won&#039;t stop until they succeed!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-3/#comment-1045725">Vich Bradley</a>.</p>
<p>OMG ! We can&#8217;t sit idly by allowing this to continue as this has got to stop. Together  we can find a way to make a difference. I am working on more approaches and won&#8217;t stop until they succeed!</p>
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		By: Brian J. Sheen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian J. Sheen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Greetings!  I wonder if anyone can help me with this. I need to get hold of  any waivers or other forms I may have signed when leaving the Sea org, paying off freeloaders bill in 1974 or getting a refund of undelivered services back in the  1970&#039;s? Any ideas?
Also any copies of any others forms The Church created since then others might have signed? 

I am working on some legal actions and these items would be very helpful to have so as not to run into something like Garcia did in his case.    
Thanks  so much, Brian]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings!  I wonder if anyone can help me with this. I need to get hold of  any waivers or other forms I may have signed when leaving the Sea org, paying off freeloaders bill in 1974 or getting a refund of undelivered services back in the  1970&#8217;s? Any ideas?<br />
Also any copies of any others forms The Church created since then others might have signed? </p>
<p>I am working on some legal actions and these items would be very helpful to have so as not to run into something like Garcia did in his case.<br />
Thanks  so much, Brian</p>
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		By: Miss Tia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Tia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1045770&quot;&gt;Her Vajesty&lt;/a&gt;.

and additional footage from the hotel----like the roof.....and that water tank was locked....the hotel itself has a long strange history....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1045770">Her Vajesty</a>.</p>
<p>and additional footage from the hotel&#8212;-like the roof&#8230;..and that water tank was locked&#8230;.the hotel itself has a long strange history&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Her Vajesty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 07:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1028626&quot;&gt;Miss Tia&lt;/a&gt;.

Me too... it&#039;s just wierd, the video of her in the elevator and the way she passed away. But if they had that image of her acting strange in the elevator you would think that they had footage of her getting on the elevator]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1028626">Miss Tia</a>.</p>
<p>Me too&#8230; it&#8217;s just wierd, the video of her in the elevator and the way she passed away. But if they had that image of her acting strange in the elevator you would think that they had footage of her getting on the elevator</p>
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		By: Vich Bradley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vich Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-3/#comment-1038842&quot;&gt;Brian J. Sheen&lt;/a&gt;.

Done, to quote:
My story is about a &quot;disconnect&quot;; a subtle difference from a &quot;declare &#038; disconnect&quot;.  Disconnects can simply be someone believing their &quot;progress up the bridge&quot; to be impaired through lack of support or negativity (real or imagined).  A &quot;Declare&quot; is when Church officials buy into it too - or so I recall.

As we all know, if someone gets excommunicated (declared) it&#039;s absolute, family or not.  Honor it or be declared yourself.  For the 2 or 3 years I was &quot;in&quot;, I&#039;d loose a close friend or two per year but I couldn&#039;t buck it; I love my family.

By 1982, we were all entirely out of SO and Scientology except 1 brother (still a very involved member) and 1 sister (still sea org).   We all knew to steer clear of bad mouthing Scientology to them or be &quot;declared&quot; or &quot;disconnected&quot;.  My parents didn&#039;t need the these rules though, my mom&#039;s a saint for supporting her kids.   My dad was the picture of discretion and support as well.  I doubt they&#039;ve ever said a single negative word about any of us.

Fast forward to about 1993.  My sister was one of those highly under appreciated types they put on back closet filing duty 60 hours a week for a decade or two.  They put it in her head that we were the problem with her &quot;lack of case progress&quot; so she let us know that &quot;unless we re-join Scientology, she needed to go work on herself for a while&quot;.  We weren&#039;t about to re-join.  Alas; the &quot;disconnect&quot;.  Maybe there was some secret declaration, I really haven&#039;t gotten to the bottom of it and can&#039;t without rocking a very delicate boat.

You should see the devastation my mother suffered.  She&#039;d display the last Christmas present sis gave her, barely allowing anyone to touch it for fear of it breaking, cooing over it for a minute then moving on with a distant look.  The emotional strain on her was visible.

Mid 2000&#039;s my dad was dying.  Sis recanted in time for him to see in his final months.  My mom was overjoyed to gain her baby back; amidst the grief of loosing her husband of over 50 years.

Fast forward another decade.  Mom is elderly and suffering from dementia with recurring episodes about &quot;loosing her child&quot;.  For example: last year I found her emptying the trash into the toilet at 3AM saying she just knew my sister was in there somewhere and she needed to find her.   With a whole clan of kids to worry over; it&#039;s the one she once lost that drives her mad.

The family&#039;s back together now; so obviously I&#039;m using a SiFi name to preserve my anonymity to avoid the wrath-rain from descending upon us.  

My problem didn&#039;t rise from the abhorrently Cultish &quot;Disconnect Policy&quot; but I&#039;ve seen it work plenty.  It&#039;s a freaking brain wash.  Who would leave their loving parents?  I&#039;m just sharing in hopes of helping somehow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-3/#comment-1038842">Brian J. Sheen</a>.</p>
<p>Done, to quote:<br />
My story is about a &#8220;disconnect&#8221;; a subtle difference from a &#8220;declare &amp; disconnect&#8221;.  Disconnects can simply be someone believing their &#8220;progress up the bridge&#8221; to be impaired through lack of support or negativity (real or imagined).  A &#8220;Declare&#8221; is when Church officials buy into it too &#8211; or so I recall.</p>
<p>As we all know, if someone gets excommunicated (declared) it&#8217;s absolute, family or not.  Honor it or be declared yourself.  For the 2 or 3 years I was &#8220;in&#8221;, I&#8217;d loose a close friend or two per year but I couldn&#8217;t buck it; I love my family.</p>
<p>By 1982, we were all entirely out of SO and Scientology except 1 brother (still a very involved member) and 1 sister (still sea org).   We all knew to steer clear of bad mouthing Scientology to them or be &#8220;declared&#8221; or &#8220;disconnected&#8221;.  My parents didn&#8217;t need the these rules though, my mom&#8217;s a saint for supporting her kids.   My dad was the picture of discretion and support as well.  I doubt they&#8217;ve ever said a single negative word about any of us.</p>
<p>Fast forward to about 1993.  My sister was one of those highly under appreciated types they put on back closet filing duty 60 hours a week for a decade or two.  They put it in her head that we were the problem with her &#8220;lack of case progress&#8221; so she let us know that &#8220;unless we re-join Scientology, she needed to go work on herself for a while&#8221;.  We weren&#8217;t about to re-join.  Alas; the &#8220;disconnect&#8221;.  Maybe there was some secret declaration, I really haven&#8217;t gotten to the bottom of it and can&#8217;t without rocking a very delicate boat.</p>
<p>You should see the devastation my mother suffered.  She&#8217;d display the last Christmas present sis gave her, barely allowing anyone to touch it for fear of it breaking, cooing over it for a minute then moving on with a distant look.  The emotional strain on her was visible.</p>
<p>Mid 2000&#8217;s my dad was dying.  Sis recanted in time for him to see in his final months.  My mom was overjoyed to gain her baby back; amidst the grief of loosing her husband of over 50 years.</p>
<p>Fast forward another decade.  Mom is elderly and suffering from dementia with recurring episodes about &#8220;loosing her child&#8221;.  For example: last year I found her emptying the trash into the toilet at 3AM saying she just knew my sister was in there somewhere and she needed to find her.   With a whole clan of kids to worry over; it&#8217;s the one she once lost that drives her mad.</p>
<p>The family&#8217;s back together now; so obviously I&#8217;m using a SiFi name to preserve my anonymity to avoid the wrath-rain from descending upon us.  </p>
<p>My problem didn&#8217;t rise from the abhorrently Cultish &#8220;Disconnect Policy&#8221; but I&#8217;ve seen it work plenty.  It&#8217;s a freaking brain wash.  Who would leave their loving parents?  I&#8217;m just sharing in hopes of helping somehow.</p>
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		By: Brian J. Sheen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian J. Sheen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1041282&quot;&gt;Robert Hammond&lt;/a&gt;.

thanks...a nice overview...]]></description>
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<p>thanks&#8230;a nice overview&#8230;</p>
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		By: Brian J. Sheen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian J. Sheen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1040866&quot;&gt;Robert Hammond&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow..thanks..I enjoyed watching. I always found her adorable!  if you&#039;re interested here are a few of the videos I produce  https://www.youtube.com/user/FICAMtv  I hope you enjoy!  Brian]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1040866">Robert Hammond</a>.</p>
<p>Wow..thanks..I enjoyed watching. I always found her adorable!  if you&#8217;re interested here are a few of the videos I produce  <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/FICAMtv" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/user/FICAMtv</a>  I hope you enjoy!  Brian</p>
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		By: Robert Hammond		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Hammond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2015 05:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1040837&quot;&gt;Brian J. Sheen&lt;/a&gt;.

Brian, With your experience and education you are probably able to help a great many people who are coming out of groups like Scientology. Have you ever read Steve Hassan&#039;s excellent book, &quot;Combatting Cult Mind Control?&quot; If not, I think you would find it quite enlightening. 

You might also appreciate this article in Science Based Medicine on the &quot;science&quot; of Scientology related to health and healing practices. https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientologys-war-on-medicine/



Best wishes again on your quest to re-integrate your family and to help others with similar disconnection issues. I hope your daughter sees the light and recognizes the value of love and family. 


Hope you got a chance to see the Leah Remini video as well.]]></description>
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<p>Brian, With your experience and education you are probably able to help a great many people who are coming out of groups like Scientology. Have you ever read Steve Hassan&#8217;s excellent book, &#8220;Combatting Cult Mind Control?&#8221; If not, I think you would find it quite enlightening. </p>
<p>You might also appreciate this article in Science Based Medicine on the &#8220;science&#8221; of Scientology related to health and healing practices. <a href="https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientologys-war-on-medicine/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/scientologys-war-on-medicine/</a></p>
<p>Best wishes again on your quest to re-integrate your family and to help others with similar disconnection issues. I hope your daughter sees the light and recognizes the value of love and family. </p>
<p>Hope you got a chance to see the Leah Remini video as well.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Hammond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2015 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1040837&quot;&gt;Brian J. Sheen&lt;/a&gt;.

Her show is on TLC, called &quot;It&#039;s All Relative&quot;. I don&#039;t normally watch those reality shows, but this was definitely worth seeing. If you can&#039;t get it on TV, someone posted the YouTube link to the full show here: (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-oGsvd1fSE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/11/the-story-of-brian-sheen-and-his-disconnected-scientology-daughter-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-1040837">Brian J. Sheen</a>.</p>
<p>Her show is on TLC, called &#8220;It&#8217;s All Relative&#8221;. I don&#8217;t normally watch those reality shows, but this was definitely worth seeing. If you can&#8217;t get it on TV, someone posted the YouTube link to the full show here: (refresh) <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-oGsvd1fSE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-oGsvd1fSE</a></p>
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