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	Comments on: Scientology&#8217;s billion-dollar slush fund, its slick operators, and how it gets around regulation	</title>
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		By: OTD:OutTheDoor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1017283&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

I will find the Hamel vid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1017283">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>I will find the Hamel vid.</p>
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		By: Elie Lim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elie Lim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2015 03:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;!--td {border: 1px solid #ccc;}br {mso-data-placement:same-cell;}--&gt;Great article. Thanks for the info. Does anyone know where I can find a blank 1993 irs form to fill out?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--td {border: 1px solid #ccc;}br {mso-data-placement:same-cell;}-->Great article. Thanks for the info. Does anyone know where I can find a blank 1993 irs form to fill out?</p>
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		By: SueAnne Lacasse White		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SueAnne Lacasse White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2015 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-2/#comment-1017485&quot;&gt;Dave In Ajax&lt;/a&gt;.

Have a great day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-2/#comment-1017485">Dave In Ajax</a>.</p>
<p>Have a great day.</p>
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		By: Leigh Andrews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leigh Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2015 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1022149&quot;&gt;cathy from encino&lt;/a&gt;.

I have the forms for the direct transfer, and a procedure for doing a direct transfer trustee to trustee has existed since the 401(k) plan started, or maybe within a few months of the start.  The most recent revision on the transfer forms is 2013. I just have to get the forms notarized and send them to the plan.


The argument that they make for leaving the money in the 401(k) is a valid one, which is that the stock and bond funds charge management fees that are competitive with Vanguard and many other no-load funds.  What they underestimate is that people want their money, and want control of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1022149">cathy from encino</a>.</p>
<p>I have the forms for the direct transfer, and a procedure for doing a direct transfer trustee to trustee has existed since the 401(k) plan started, or maybe within a few months of the start.  The most recent revision on the transfer forms is 2013. I just have to get the forms notarized and send them to the plan.</p>
<p>The argument that they make for leaving the money in the 401(k) is a valid one, which is that the stock and bond funds charge management fees that are competitive with Vanguard and many other no-load funds.  What they underestimate is that people want their money, and want control of it.</p>
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		By: cathy from encino		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cathy from encino]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1018413&quot;&gt;Leigh Andrews&lt;/a&gt;.

Leigh, you should be able to transfer your 401(k) investment to an IRA with no tax obligation if moved directly (not as a lump sum withdrawal). Fidelity, Vanguard, Schwab etc can all help you with this. If the company 401(k) won&#039;t allow a direct transfer than they are up to no good. 401(k) plans have a number of Federal laws they have to follow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1018413">Leigh Andrews</a>.</p>
<p>Leigh, you should be able to transfer your 401(k) investment to an IRA with no tax obligation if moved directly (not as a lump sum withdrawal). Fidelity, Vanguard, Schwab etc can all help you with this. If the company 401(k) won&#8217;t allow a direct transfer than they are up to no good. 401(k) plans have a number of Federal laws they have to follow.</p>
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		By: wannabeclear		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure anyone has brought this up, but if the slush fund itself is not a religious organization AND it is run by Sea Org members AND they are not getting paid minimum wage, isn&#039;t there a legal breach there?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure anyone has brought this up, but if the slush fund itself is not a religious organization AND it is run by Sea Org members AND they are not getting paid minimum wage, isn&#8217;t there a legal breach there?</p>
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		By: Miss Tia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Tia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1019790&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

YEAH!! I had to reply to ask a question but I got it!! :D]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1019790">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>YEAH!! I had to reply to ask a question but I got it!! 😀</p>
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		By: beauty for ashes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beauty for ashes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2015 23:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1019618&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

Totes! instead i&#039;ll just post jibberish, or makeup suggestions!
 I am totally sending Aunt Susan a box of lavender sachets, and having a mass said in her honor. :)!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1019618">Todd Tomorrow</a>.</p>
<p>Totes! instead i&#8217;ll just post jibberish, or makeup suggestions!<br />
 I am totally sending Aunt Susan a box of lavender sachets, and having a mass said in her honor. :)!</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1018754&quot;&gt;Miss Tia&lt;/a&gt;.

Found the error. I misspelled your address.


Check again...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/07/03/scientologys-billion-dollar-slush-fund-its-slick-operators-and-how-it-gets-around-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-1018754">Miss Tia</a>.</p>
<p>Found the error. I misspelled your address.</p>
<p>Check again&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2015 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here are some more relevant parts of the 1993 IRS Agreement:

VIII (C) (2):

 &quot;An entity is a Scientology-related entity if it delivers religious services to parishioners in a manner prescribed by the works of L. Ron Hubbard and as authorized (directly or indirectly) by Religious Technology Center, Church of Scientology International or other entity...&quot;
OK, notice that RTC, CSI and other entities are essentially interchangeable.  Why?  Because they are all smoke and mirrors.  David Miscavige runs everything.

VIII (C) (4)

&quot; Citizens Commission on Human Rights, National Commission on Law Enforcement and Social Justice, Scientology Defense Fund Trust, Association for the Better Living and Education, Applied Scholastics Incorporated, Narconon International, The Way to Happiness Foundation, and the Foundation for Religious Freedom are Scientology-related entities.&quot; 
Note the inclusion of Narconon as a Scientology-related entity.  Narconon now has 40-plus lawsuits on its hands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some more relevant parts of the 1993 IRS Agreement:</p>
<p>VIII (C) (2):</p>
<p> &#8220;An entity is a Scientology-related entity if it delivers religious services to parishioners in a manner prescribed by the works of L. Ron Hubbard and as authorized (directly or indirectly) by Religious Technology Center, Church of Scientology International or other entity&#8230;&#8221;<br />
OK, notice that RTC, CSI and other entities are essentially interchangeable.  Why?  Because they are all smoke and mirrors.  David Miscavige runs everything.</p>
<p>VIII (C) (4)</p>
<p>&#8221; Citizens Commission on Human Rights, National Commission on Law Enforcement and Social Justice, Scientology Defense Fund Trust, Association for the Better Living and Education, Applied Scholastics Incorporated, Narconon International, The Way to Happiness Foundation, and the Foundation for Religious Freedom are Scientology-related entities.&#8221;<br />
Note the inclusion of Narconon as a Scientology-related entity.  Narconon now has 40-plus lawsuits on its hands.</p>
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