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	Comments on: If the Sea Org doesn&#8217;t legally exist, how does it run Scientology?	</title>
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		By: Mjal		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2016 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-979815&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;a minion of Global Capitalism HQ&quot; What do you mean by this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-979815">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;a minion of Global Capitalism HQ&#8221; What do you mean by this?</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-981010&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re too kind entirely. I only looked up the Reserve Trust because it, in turn, is linked to lawsuits against France.  According to the Internet, the trust was formed in 1988 : http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s.php?ntt=485


And I mean that Captain David &quot;he is NOT insane!&quot; Miscavige appears willing to do almost anything to avoid being held accountable by a court of law. I&#039;m more likely than not to not know the details of how DM would interface with the court, but the amount of effort spent on keeping DM out of the lawsuit in Texas is impressive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-981010">Bert Allen</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re too kind entirely. I only looked up the Reserve Trust because it, in turn, is linked to lawsuits against France.  According to the Internet, the trust was formed in 1988 : <a href="http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s.php?ntt=485" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s.php?ntt=485</a></p>
<p>And I mean that Captain David &#8220;he is NOT insane!&#8221; Miscavige appears willing to do almost anything to avoid being held accountable by a court of law. I&#8217;m more likely than not to not know the details of how DM would interface with the court, but the amount of effort spent on keeping DM out of the lawsuit in Texas is impressive.</p>
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		By: Bert Allen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bert Allen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-980897&quot;&gt;Jens TINGLEFF&lt;/a&gt;.

Jens, you are clearly very knowledgeable about the financial operations.  Do you know what year the EIN changed?  I ask, because this is what I believe, DM has realized that exposing the Sea Org as the control mechanism could destroy the attempt to legally stove pipe each COS entity allowing for successful legal actions against the whole.  The date of the change potentially pinpoints when the COS started trying to hide this fact, which will assist attorneys in establishing this course of conduct.


I&#039;m not sure what your point is between taking DM&#039;s depo and his being questioned by the court.  In American jurispurdence it is extremely rare for a judge to question a witness.  I have never seen it done in state court.  It does occur in federal court, but never more than a single line of questioning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-980897">Jens TINGLEFF</a>.</p>
<p>Jens, you are clearly very knowledgeable about the financial operations.  Do you know what year the EIN changed?  I ask, because this is what I believe, DM has realized that exposing the Sea Org as the control mechanism could destroy the attempt to legally stove pipe each COS entity allowing for successful legal actions against the whole.  The date of the change potentially pinpoints when the COS started trying to hide this fact, which will assist attorneys in establishing this course of conduct.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your point is between taking DM&#8217;s depo and his being questioned by the court.  In American jurispurdence it is extremely rare for a judge to question a witness.  I have never seen it done in state court.  It does occur in federal court, but never more than a single line of questioning.</p>
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		By: Jens TINGLEFF		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens TINGLEFF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 08:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-980192&quot;&gt;Bert Allen&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, there&#039;ll be a great deal of evidence of changing of names from &quot;Sea Org Reserve&quot; to &quot;Scientology International Reserves Trust&quot; which is EIN 98-6041576 and so on and so forth.

My point is that a court case where this information was brought to bear would have gone past the point where the simple answer is to take a deposition from Captain David &quot;he is NOT insane!&quot; Miscavige. DM has shown as amazing willingness to avoid exactly this (up to and including what looks like sacrificing CSI as the designated guilty party in the Monique Rathbun case).

So, IMHO, effort spent there is running a poor second to simply getting to the point where DM is the natural person to answer some pointed questions from the court. Job done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-980192">Bert Allen</a>.</p>
<p>Well, there&#8217;ll be a great deal of evidence of changing of names from &#8220;Sea Org Reserve&#8221; to &#8220;Scientology International Reserves Trust&#8221; which is EIN 98-6041576 and so on and so forth.</p>
<p>My point is that a court case where this information was brought to bear would have gone past the point where the simple answer is to take a deposition from Captain David &#8220;he is NOT insane!&#8221; Miscavige. DM has shown as amazing willingness to avoid exactly this (up to and including what looks like sacrificing CSI as the designated guilty party in the Monique Rathbun case).</p>
<p>So, IMHO, effort spent there is running a poor second to simply getting to the point where DM is the natural person to answer some pointed questions from the court. Job done.</p>
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		By: Mark Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 08:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-979533&quot;&gt;SarahDB&lt;/a&gt;.

Amphetamines and barbiturates.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-979533">SarahDB</a>.</p>
<p>Amphetamines and barbiturates.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-980729&quot;&gt;TheMirrorThetan&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh YIPPEE.. Loving the bonus..


My hubby was holding her tight and just when I went to clip it..she jerked and awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...I felt sick to my stomach ..Sick Pookey..


I do them..That is the first time in all my years of doing them that this happened..I was absolutely devastated when she yelped..sigh.. 



But she got treats and babied.. she finally said &quot; Forget it..&quot; and jumped off my lap.. ha.. I put flour on it to seal it and she is OK.. thanks honey]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-980729">TheMirrorThetan</a>.</p>
<p>Oh YIPPEE.. Loving the bonus..</p>
<p>My hubby was holding her tight and just when I went to clip it..she jerked and awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww&#8230;I felt sick to my stomach ..Sick Pookey..</p>
<p>I do them..That is the first time in all my years of doing them that this happened..I was absolutely devastated when she yelped..sigh.. </p>
<p>But she got treats and babied.. she finally said &#8221; Forget it..&#8221; and jumped off my lap.. ha.. I put flour on it to seal it and she is OK.. thanks honey</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 07:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-980771&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow.. that is exactly what I put on it Todd..thanks..


It made me sick to my stomach that I hurt my little girl..She let out a big yelp and knew it immediately.


Gave her treats while I held her and babied her..sigh.. thanks babe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-980771">Todd Tomorrow</a>.</p>
<p>Wow.. that is exactly what I put on it Todd..thanks..</p>
<p>It made me sick to my stomach that I hurt my little girl..She let out a big yelp and knew it immediately.</p>
<p>Gave her treats while I held her and babied her..sigh.. thanks babe.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-980791&quot;&gt;AintMizBahavin&lt;/a&gt;.

Ha.. THAR SHE BLOWSSSSSS


OMG I love your avi.. You look absolutely darling Aint..Great picture of you..xoxoxo baby]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-2/#comment-980791">AintMizBahavin</a>.</p>
<p>Ha.. THAR SHE BLOWSSSSSS</p>
<p>OMG I love your avi.. You look absolutely darling Aint..Great picture of you..xoxoxo baby</p>
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		By: dchoiceisalwaysrs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dchoiceisalwaysrs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-979881&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

What?  I thought the SO didn&#039;t have teams. Maybe someone can explain to me how a SO team doesn&#039;t have any SO members as apparently the Sea Org doesn&#039;t have any members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-979881">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>What?  I thought the SO didn&#8217;t have teams. Maybe someone can explain to me how a SO team doesn&#8217;t have any SO members as apparently the Sea Org doesn&#8217;t have any members.</p>
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		By: dchoiceisalwaysrs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dchoiceisalwaysrs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-980074&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Since the SO doesn&#039;t have any assets I wonder about from who did the SO MAAs borrow the uniforms and Flags.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/05/if-the-sea-org-doesnt-legally-exist-how-does-it-run-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-980074">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>Since the SO doesn&#8217;t have any assets I wonder about from who did the SO MAAs borrow the uniforms and Flags.</p>
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