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	Comments on: Scientology routed: What the national press hasn&#8217;t figured out about the Trout Run defeat	</title>
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		By: Emily		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2015 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello all, I have three tickets for Tony&#039;s sold-out book event in Chicago, but it turns out I&#039;m not able to go. Would anyone like to use the tickets? It&#039;s at the Annoyance Theatre on Saturday, June 20 at 5 pm. The tickets - which were free - are PDFs and printable. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all, I have three tickets for Tony&#8217;s sold-out book event in Chicago, but it turns out I&#8217;m not able to go. Would anyone like to use the tickets? It&#8217;s at the Annoyance Theatre on Saturday, June 20 at 5 pm. The tickets &#8211; which were free &#8211; are PDFs and printable. </p>
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		By: Volunteer Ministers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Volunteer Ministers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2015 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Scientology wants you to believe that yelling at an ashtray in a Narconon is “secular,” as opposed to yelling at an ashtray in a Scientology church, which is “sacred,” we suppose.&lt;/b&gt;


And that dumbfuck Kirstie Alley always thinks she&#039;s winning the argument with the ash tray.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Scientology wants you to believe that yelling at an ashtray in a Narconon is “secular,” as opposed to yelling at an ashtray in a Scientology church, which is “sacred,” we suppose.</b></p>
<p>And that dumbfuck Kirstie Alley always thinks she&#8217;s winning the argument with the ash tray.</p>
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		By: Lady Squash		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lady Squash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 04:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-979315&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL.   Good one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-979315">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>LOL.   Good one.</p>
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		By: aegerprimo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aegerprimo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-980018&quot;&gt;beauty for ashes&lt;/a&gt;.

Me too. ♥]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-980018">beauty for ashes</a>.</p>
<p>Me too. ♥</p>
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		By: beauty for ashes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beauty for ashes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-980007&quot;&gt;aegerprimo&lt;/a&gt;.

**tearing up**  I&#039;m all verklempt! &#060;3 &#060;3 &#060;3.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-980007">aegerprimo</a>.</p>
<p>**tearing up**  I&#8217;m all verklempt! &lt;3 &lt;3 &lt;3.</p>
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		By: aegerprimo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aegerprimo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2015 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-978080&quot;&gt;beauty for ashes&lt;/a&gt;.

His eye looks much better, but does not look like his normal eye. buth there is no longer any discharge. I have finished giving him his prescription of eyedrops and oral antibiotics. Overall, he looks so much more healthy and is no longer protruding ribs and shoulder blades. His fur is shiny. I have treated his fleas, earmites and worms. One minute he is snuggly and then he is a total ball of energy. He is a normal and sweet kitten and I adore him. My husband is beginning to soften to the fact that he will be part of our home. My other cat is not happy, but we have been sure to show her lots of love since bringing in Snuggly Ugly. I will be bringing him to the vet again this week so he can have a look at Snuggly&#039;s eye and give me an updated prognosis. I remember reading somewhere years back, that in China, a one-eyed cat in your home is considered good luck. I know for sure, I am lucky to have this little baby in my home now as he was lucky I saved him Friday morning two weeks ago. We have a special understanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-978080">beauty for ashes</a>.</p>
<p>His eye looks much better, but does not look like his normal eye. buth there is no longer any discharge. I have finished giving him his prescription of eyedrops and oral antibiotics. Overall, he looks so much more healthy and is no longer protruding ribs and shoulder blades. His fur is shiny. I have treated his fleas, earmites and worms. One minute he is snuggly and then he is a total ball of energy. He is a normal and sweet kitten and I adore him. My husband is beginning to soften to the fact that he will be part of our home. My other cat is not happy, but we have been sure to show her lots of love since bringing in Snuggly Ugly. I will be bringing him to the vet again this week so he can have a look at Snuggly&#8217;s eye and give me an updated prognosis. I remember reading somewhere years back, that in China, a one-eyed cat in your home is considered good luck. I know for sure, I am lucky to have this little baby in my home now as he was lucky I saved him Friday morning two weeks ago. We have a special understanding.</p>
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		By: chukicita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chukicita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2015 10:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-979265&quot;&gt;Lady Squash&lt;/a&gt;.

I can only imagine!  And I get that you&#039;re feeling like you&#039;re between a rock and a hard place.  It makes me remember words of a friend who was in for about as long as you -- he eventually gave up the idea of salvaging the pieces about Scientology that he felt were valuable.  He said &quot;it&#039;s like picking raisins out of turds.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-979265">Lady Squash</a>.</p>
<p>I can only imagine!  And I get that you&#8217;re feeling like you&#8217;re between a rock and a hard place.  It makes me remember words of a friend who was in for about as long as you &#8212; he eventually gave up the idea of salvaging the pieces about Scientology that he felt were valuable.  He said &#8220;it&#8217;s like picking raisins out of turds.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Leigh Andrews		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leigh Andrews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-2/#comment-978321&quot;&gt;ReallyMGM&lt;/a&gt;.

I considered religious colleges first because that would be the most acceptable option to their parents, even though the girls are old enough to make up their minds in at least a few cases. A problem of Quiverfull and other fundamentalist groups is that you lose everyone you know when you leave the group.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-2/#comment-978321">ReallyMGM</a>.</p>
<p>I considered religious colleges first because that would be the most acceptable option to their parents, even though the girls are old enough to make up their minds in at least a few cases. A problem of Quiverfull and other fundamentalist groups is that you lose everyone you know when you leave the group.</p>
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		By: Lady Squash		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lady Squash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2015 04:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-978339&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Chikicita,
I was in for thirty years and suffered many abuses.  The organization stinks and should be brought to justice for its deceits, fraudulent claims, and abuses.  I think everyone at the Bunker feels that way.  
And then there are the processes.  The problem with talking about them, is that they exist within a corrupt system.  It is hard to say, &quot;Yeah but some of those were good&quot; without sounding like you don&#039;t appreciate the horribleness of the rest of it.  Believe me, I do.
I guess I wish I could wave a magic wand and separate the processes from Big Brother and Dr. No, but I know that will never happen.  Hard to explain.  It was a very weird journey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-978339">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Chikicita,<br />
I was in for thirty years and suffered many abuses.  The organization stinks and should be brought to justice for its deceits, fraudulent claims, and abuses.  I think everyone at the Bunker feels that way.<br />
And then there are the processes.  The problem with talking about them, is that they exist within a corrupt system.  It is hard to say, &#8220;Yeah but some of those were good&#8221; without sounding like you don&#8217;t appreciate the horribleness of the rest of it.  Believe me, I do.<br />
I guess I wish I could wave a magic wand and separate the processes from Big Brother and Dr. No, but I know that will never happen.  Hard to explain.  It was a very weird journey.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2015 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-979151&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

And another chart...also empirical data...(not political sloganeering...)

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/06/03/scientology-routed-what-the-national-press-hasnt-figured-out-about-the-trout-run-defeat/comment-page-1/#comment-979151">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>And another chart&#8230;also empirical data&#8230;(not political sloganeering&#8230;)</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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