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		By: ithilien		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/05/04/more-from-a-secretly-recorded-executive-griping-about-scientologys-sad-state-of-affairs/comment-page-1/#comment-942301&quot;&gt;villagedianne&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes we do. Because wiccans respect the female principle as goddess. 
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<p>Yes we do. Because wiccans respect the female principle as goddess. </p>
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		By: Edward Whalley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Whalley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Courage is contagious. --Julian Assange]]></description>
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<p>Courage is contagious. &#8211;Julian Assange</p>
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		By: Edward Whalley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Whalley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/05/04/more-from-a-secretly-recorded-executive-griping-about-scientologys-sad-state-of-affairs/comment-page-1/#comment-952277&quot;&gt;ithilien&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s also ironic that some of Parsons&#039;s best Magickal work came from the same period when he worked with Hubbard. At one point, Parsons was going to set up a Magick school, and teach ten sessions, twice a week for $20 (a common fee for teaching at the time). Hubbard disagreed, and told him that he&#039;d be much better off charging $600 a week! Parsons&#039;s Magick school never really got off from the ground (I guess being blown to bits is kind of a drawback) but you know the rest. As much as I hate Scn, I&#039;m a HUGE Thelema fan!]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s also ironic that some of Parsons&#8217;s best Magickal work came from the same period when he worked with Hubbard. At one point, Parsons was going to set up a Magick school, and teach ten sessions, twice a week for $20 (a common fee for teaching at the time). Hubbard disagreed, and told him that he&#8217;d be much better off charging $600 a week! Parsons&#8217;s Magick school never really got off from the ground (I guess being blown to bits is kind of a drawback) but you know the rest. As much as I hate Scn, I&#8217;m a HUGE Thelema fan!</p>
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		By: ithilien		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ithilien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2015 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/05/04/more-from-a-secretly-recorded-executive-griping-about-scientologys-sad-state-of-affairs/comment-page-1/#comment-942035&quot;&gt;Edward Whalley&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess you&#039;re being ironic about him &quot; working for the FBI&quot; I&#039;m currently reading Strange Angel&quot; the story of Jack Parsons.  I must say when you have Crowley describing you as a a wanton scam artist ( paraphrasing here) as he did of Hubbard, you have something there]]></description>
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<p>I guess you&#8217;re being ironic about him &#8221; working for the FBI&#8221; I&#8217;m currently reading Strange Angel&#8221; the story of Jack Parsons.  I must say when you have Crowley describing you as a a wanton scam artist ( paraphrasing here) as he did of Hubbard, you have something there</p>
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		By: valshifter		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2015 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Thank you!  very informative.]]></description>
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<p>Thank you!  very informative.</p>
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		By: Mymy88		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/05/04/more-from-a-secretly-recorded-executive-griping-about-scientologys-sad-state-of-affairs/comment-page-2/#comment-949227&quot;&gt;ThankGodineverjoined&lt;/a&gt;.

That is all so true and soooo unbelievable how Miscavige has gotten away with this for so long. That would be nice if that could happen. However it falls, I need it to be done quickly! A week would be considered quickly!]]></description>
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<p>That is all so true and soooo unbelievable how Miscavige has gotten away with this for so long. That would be nice if that could happen. However it falls, I need it to be done quickly! A week would be considered quickly!</p>
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		By: ThankGodineverjoined		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/05/04/more-from-a-secretly-recorded-executive-griping-about-scientologys-sad-state-of-affairs/comment-page-2/#comment-948575&quot;&gt;Mymy88&lt;/a&gt;.

For me it was finding out about what was going on in the Sea Org,  how long they work for pretty much no pay, the verbal and physical abuse.  What religion does that to its people? And David Miscavage...ugh! The way he operates shocked me too.  I always kinda wondered about him, I just never imagined that he was as crazy violent as he is. I mean really, look at the size of him! lol What he&#039;s done to Mike Rinder (among countless others) and most of them are top rankers, shows you he picks and chooses his punching bags. Wouldn&#039;t any other CEO,  in the US, not be charged and sent to jail? The power this organization has over the US Government and the IRS is a mind blowing shock in itself.  What are these people thinking? 
The next thing that got me was how they harass and terrorize people, all because they wanted to leave. 
They build and renovate buildings and chase pepole around the globe....there&#039;s where the money goes. Just awful. 

I think I have the answer to end scientology! Take Miscavage to court and say, ok we won&#039;t put you in jail and we won&#039;t remove your tax exemption BUT! After the 1st intial $20 or $50 you charge them that&#039;s it. Everything else is of no charge. DM would shut the doors the following week! Lol

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<p>For me it was finding out about what was going on in the Sea Org,  how long they work for pretty much no pay, the verbal and physical abuse.  What religion does that to its people? And David Miscavage&#8230;ugh! The way he operates shocked me too.  I always kinda wondered about him, I just never imagined that he was as crazy violent as he is. I mean really, look at the size of him! lol What he&#8217;s done to Mike Rinder (among countless others) and most of them are top rankers, shows you he picks and chooses his punching bags. Wouldn&#8217;t any other CEO,  in the US, not be charged and sent to jail? The power this organization has over the US Government and the IRS is a mind blowing shock in itself.  What are these people thinking?<br />
The next thing that got me was how they harass and terrorize people, all because they wanted to leave.<br />
They build and renovate buildings and chase pepole around the globe&#8230;.there&#8217;s where the money goes. Just awful. </p>
<p>I think I have the answer to end scientology! Take Miscavage to court and say, ok we won&#8217;t put you in jail and we won&#8217;t remove your tax exemption BUT! After the 1st intial $20 or $50 you charge them that&#8217;s it. Everything else is of no charge. DM would shut the doors the following week! Lol</p>
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		By: Mymy88		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mymy88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Ha ha ha ha. Very true.]]></description>
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<p>Ha ha ha ha. Very true.</p>
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		By: phoebequeen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 02:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/05/04/more-from-a-secretly-recorded-executive-griping-about-scientologys-sad-state-of-affairs/comment-page-2/#comment-947215&quot;&gt;Mymy88&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s ok. At least it&#039;s over!!]]></description>
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<p>It&#8217;s ok. At least it&#8217;s over!!</p>
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		By: Scientology Is A Dead-End Road		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scientology Is A Dead-End Road]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 02:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Yes, Chuck, when I discovered the above, that was the end of any faith I&#039;d had in
Scientology. Hubbard was the ultimate hustler, and in the end hustled himself more than anyone = poetic justice.
Otto Roos could have fixed LRH&#039;s case if Hubbard had let him, but he was ultimately
narcissistic to the extreme of throwing Roos off of the ship (the ship of fools) as Otto
prepared to run that case. LRH&#039;s withholds were just too numerous &#038; explosive.


And the Dianetics book having had all cases fabricated, which was the book
that hustled me initially.
Then you find that it was based on people&#039;s earlier works.
Hubbard stole everything during his entire life, ending up with the insanity
left by no spiritual advancement, as he never faced reality.


Those following a man of such staggering and confused insanities to
&quot;Total Freedom&quot; are the ones who will end up with nothing in the end,
and have to start all over again. Big penalties inherit in that situation.


The ironic thing is that working with the crude tech some did get remarkable gains as
they bumped into items to resolve cases.


Finally, Chuck, I Know I am a spiritual being, having proven it to myself many times by
things I could know at a distance and other things like driving straight down the road
after falling asleep 12 times on a very long trip with my eyes closed.
I have friends who best my abilities by far.
So we disagree in that basic area.]]></description>
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<p>Yes, Chuck, when I discovered the above, that was the end of any faith I&#8217;d had in<br />
Scientology. Hubbard was the ultimate hustler, and in the end hustled himself more than anyone = poetic justice.<br />
Otto Roos could have fixed LRH&#8217;s case if Hubbard had let him, but he was ultimately<br />
narcissistic to the extreme of throwing Roos off of the ship (the ship of fools) as Otto<br />
prepared to run that case. LRH&#8217;s withholds were just too numerous &amp; explosive.</p>
<p>And the Dianetics book having had all cases fabricated, which was the book<br />
that hustled me initially.<br />
Then you find that it was based on people&#8217;s earlier works.<br />
Hubbard stole everything during his entire life, ending up with the insanity<br />
left by no spiritual advancement, as he never faced reality.</p>
<p>Those following a man of such staggering and confused insanities to<br />
&#8220;Total Freedom&#8221; are the ones who will end up with nothing in the end,<br />
and have to start all over again. Big penalties inherit in that situation.</p>
<p>The ironic thing is that working with the crude tech some did get remarkable gains as<br />
they bumped into items to resolve cases.</p>
<p>Finally, Chuck, I Know I am a spiritual being, having proven it to myself many times by<br />
things I could know at a distance and other things like driving straight down the road<br />
after falling asleep 12 times on a very long trip with my eyes closed.<br />
I have friends who best my abilities by far.<br />
So we disagree in that basic area.</p>
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