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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2016 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289993&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

Hahahahha Meepthorp..Hilarious..haha


I hope I didn&#039;t give you the impression that I was comparing myself to other Tortured souls.. the Creative Geniuses of the world. Just me.  But when I read the link I thought.. OMG..


I thought I was the only one. Yes it was like Forrest Gump who Ran until he stopped..and didn&#039;t want to run anymore..ha..


I am sorry for your dark passages Max.. but look at you now. It is amazing how struggles make us strong.. and what the human mind can endure.   smooches.. baby]]></description>
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<p>Hahahahha Meepthorp..Hilarious..haha</p>
<p>I hope I didn&#8217;t give you the impression that I was comparing myself to other Tortured souls.. the Creative Geniuses of the world. Just me.  But when I read the link I thought.. OMG..</p>
<p>I thought I was the only one. Yes it was like Forrest Gump who Ran until he stopped..and didn&#8217;t want to run anymore..ha..</p>
<p>I am sorry for your dark passages Max.. but look at you now. It is amazing how struggles make us strong.. and what the human mind can endure.   smooches.. baby</p>
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		By: MaxSpaceman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2016 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289663&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I get it now. It is an incredible thing. That when it&#039;s over, it is o ver.

:-&#062;)

Wouldn&#039;t trade the last 45 years for nothing either is right, Kiddo. I &#039;never&#039; ever believed I&#039;d get thru all the trauma -- not the death of a twin, but my own dark passages -- to the extent I have. Am enjoying life as never before. Who knew? that it could happen? A basic contentment with life and who we are ...

Thank Meepthorp ! hahahahahahahaha :)]]></description>
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<p>Yes, I get it now. It is an incredible thing. That when it&#8217;s over, it is o ver.</p>
<p>:-&gt;)</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t trade the last 45 years for nothing either is right, Kiddo. I &#8216;never&#8217; ever believed I&#8217;d get thru all the trauma &#8212; not the death of a twin, but my own dark passages &#8212; to the extent I have. Am enjoying life as never before. Who knew? that it could happen? A basic contentment with life and who we are &#8230;</p>
<p>Thank Meepthorp ! hahahahahahahaha 🙂</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2016 01:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289436&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Yes, dear heart -- I was gorgeous/handsome too -- youth &#039;is&#039; wasted on the young.&quot;
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Hahahha.. Well, all we have to do is close our eyes and we will see ourselves again.. 



I wouldn&#039;t trade what I have learned in the last 40 years for anything! ( and I&#039;m sure you wouldn&#039;t either..) 
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Max..It is weird.. and I don&#039;t know how to explain it.. I needed to get absolutely lost in my art.. My brain would just turn off the pain and I would put my hand on the brush and I wouldn&#039;t stop for days.. 



and when I was finished I was absolutely emotionally and physically drained.  I would have 4-5 canvases going on at once.. Once I was done with a painting I couldn&#039;t believe that I created it. 



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-zara/tortured-artists_b_1605509.html]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Yes, dear heart &#8212; I was gorgeous/handsome too &#8212; youth &#8216;is&#8217; wasted on the young.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Hahahha.. Well, all we have to do is close our eyes and we will see ourselves again.. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t trade what I have learned in the last 40 years for anything! ( and I&#8217;m sure you wouldn&#8217;t either..)<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
Max..It is weird.. and I don&#8217;t know how to explain it.. I needed to get absolutely lost in my art.. My brain would just turn off the pain and I would put my hand on the brush and I wouldn&#8217;t stop for days.. </p>
<p>and when I was finished I was absolutely emotionally and physically drained.  I would have 4-5 canvases going on at once.. Once I was done with a painting I couldn&#8217;t believe that I created it. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-zara/tortured-artists_b_1605509.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-zara/tortured-artists_b_1605509.html</a></p>
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		By: MaxSpaceman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289372&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Amazing, kiddo. That your talent is connected so to your therapeutic need to deal w/ the trauma of losing your sister. And that it doesn&#039;t stand alone as something you love to do as you. 

I imagine similar has happened to others, yet yours is the 1st I&#039;ve ever heard. I get it tho&#039;, who needs it anymore... not you, is your answer. That is good.

Yes, dear heart -- I was gorgeous/handsome too -- youth &#039;is&#039; wasted on the young. :-/]]></description>
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<p>Amazing, kiddo. That your talent is connected so to your therapeutic need to deal w/ the trauma of losing your sister. And that it doesn&#8217;t stand alone as something you love to do as you. </p>
<p>I imagine similar has happened to others, yet yours is the 1st I&#8217;ve ever heard. I get it tho&#8217;, who needs it anymore&#8230; not you, is your answer. That is good.</p>
<p>Yes, dear heart &#8212; I was gorgeous/handsome too &#8212; youth &#8216;is&#8217; wasted on the young. :-/</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289375</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289315&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

No.. I did the FB route..and it didn&#039;t work out for me. But thank you anyway..xoxoxox]]></description>
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<p>No.. I did the FB route..and it didn&#8217;t work out for me. But thank you anyway..xoxoxox</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289336&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG.. I love you.. Awwww so sweet of you.. Oh Youth IS wasted on the young..eh?


You know Max.. My art is so personal to me. I worked myself through the grief of my twin.. I was obsessed..I painted around the clock. Never had formal training. 



I just woke up as an artist one day after praying for peace .. Jude came to me and told me to&quot; do something with my life.&quot; 



So for 4 years I painted hundreds..sold in galleries, on line.. art shows.. just 24/7 and then one day.. I had 10 consignment orders and I said to my husband..


&quot; I&#039;m done. &quot;  Haven&#039;t picked up a brush since. I have no desire to..It is weird. I can&#039;t explain it.. It&#039;s like I&#039;m back to living again. It was an escape for me.


A month ago a new gallery contacted me to display and sell my art again. I went with a friend to see what it was about..and half way through the presentation...I excused myself and said to my friend..


&quot; I can NOT go through that again..I can NOT go backwards. My painting was such a therapeutic experience that I put my heart and soul into ..I just can&#039;t do it again.. 



I left a part of me in each work. I continue to get asked to paint something.. and I can&#039;t.. I know it sounds crazy.. and it is I guess.. I just can&#039;t tap into that creative frenzy of release again..


I can&#039;t paint for the fun of it...or the $ side of it.. It is either all of me or none of me..


Maybe one day.. when I have to take that journey again through pain.. I don&#039;t know.. thank you so much for your compliments. They mean the world to me. xoxox love baby]]></description>
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<p>OMG.. I love you.. Awwww so sweet of you.. Oh Youth IS wasted on the young..eh?</p>
<p>You know Max.. My art is so personal to me. I worked myself through the grief of my twin.. I was obsessed..I painted around the clock. Never had formal training. </p>
<p>I just woke up as an artist one day after praying for peace .. Jude came to me and told me to&#8221; do something with my life.&#8221; </p>
<p>So for 4 years I painted hundreds..sold in galleries, on line.. art shows.. just 24/7 and then one day.. I had 10 consignment orders and I said to my husband..</p>
<p>&#8221; I&#8217;m done. &#8221;  Haven&#8217;t picked up a brush since. I have no desire to..It is weird. I can&#8217;t explain it.. It&#8217;s like I&#8217;m back to living again. It was an escape for me.</p>
<p>A month ago a new gallery contacted me to display and sell my art again. I went with a friend to see what it was about..and half way through the presentation&#8230;I excused myself and said to my friend..</p>
<p>&#8221; I can NOT go through that again..I can NOT go backwards. My painting was such a therapeutic experience that I put my heart and soul into ..I just can&#8217;t do it again.. </p>
<p>I left a part of me in each work. I continue to get asked to paint something.. and I can&#8217;t.. I know it sounds crazy.. and it is I guess.. I just can&#8217;t tap into that creative frenzy of release again..</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t paint for the fun of it&#8230;or the $ side of it.. It is either all of me or none of me..</p>
<p>Maybe one day.. when I have to take that journey again through pain.. I don&#8217;t know.. thank you so much for your compliments. They mean the world to me. xoxox love baby</p>
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		By: MaxSpaceman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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ooops. This one (I meant to attach) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56d0843bb000ac18f63d4b38a00b8da9293b561eab2c877a6d846243c8af8d88.jpg]]></description>
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<p>ooops. This one (I meant to attach) <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56d0843bb000ac18f63d4b38a00b8da9293b561eab2c877a6d846243c8af8d88.jpg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56d0843bb000ac18f63d4b38a00b8da9293b561eab2c877a6d846243c8af8d88.jpg</a></p>
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		By: MaxSpaceman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/26/thursday/comment-page-3/#comment-1289312&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

and I really love your art. (This one is very cool :) I hope you are painting and showing in Galleries and selling things! You are so talented and people &#039;love&#039; your work. I recall you saying that you don&#039;t have any canvases anymore, only pictures of some of your work.... Do I have that right? Kid- you &#039;have to&#039; paint and sell your work! No ?


Plus I have wanted to say to you since you posted it, that picture of you in the lavender bikini, how gorgeous you looked. Dear heart, you stunned! In the sun!  :)]]></description>
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<p>and I really love your art. (This one is very cool 🙂 I hope you are painting and showing in Galleries and selling things! You are so talented and people &#8216;love&#8217; your work. I recall you saying that you don&#8217;t have any canvases anymore, only pictures of some of your work&#8230;. Do I have that right? Kid- you &#8216;have to&#8217; paint and sell your work! No ?</p>
<p>Plus I have wanted to say to you since you posted it, that picture of you in the lavender bikini, how gorgeous you looked. Dear heart, you stunned! In the sun!  🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Okay, kiddo:) Are you on Facebook? I&#039;ll send you an invite :)]]></description>
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<p>Okay, kiddo:) Are you on Facebook? I&#8217;ll send you an invite 🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2016 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Max..first I love your avi.. I had one with signature and one without.. I thought Fuck it..


They know who I am.. I&#039;ve been outed a couple of times..and when I go to Clearwater..Ohhh they come looking for us.. xoxo You are so sweet.. thank you honey..]]></description>
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<p>Max..first I love your avi.. I had one with signature and one without.. I thought Fuck it..</p>
<p>They know who I am.. I&#8217;ve been outed a couple of times..and when I go to Clearwater..Ohhh they come looking for us.. xoxo You are so sweet.. thank you honey..</p>
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