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	Comments on: &#8216;Going Clear&#8217;: Mike Rinder helps us understand a Scientology document that will creep you out	</title>
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		By: adena bannick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-1/#comment-1849044&quot;&gt;mysticalpippin&lt;/a&gt;.

agree, there is no way he was staying there. look at the misery in his face. no.]]></description>
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<p>agree, there is no way he was staying there. look at the misery in his face. no.</p>
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		By: adena bannick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2017 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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one of the saddest people is Mike Rinder. You can clearly see the pain , the toll and stress being in the hole took on him. Having to call someone insane for speaking the truth, and knowing it was the truth, inside probably wanting to scream help me. Knowing he has to go right back into hell.
Even now, Mike still looks as if he will never clear his conscience. I hope he does. He is a good man.]]></description>
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<p>one of the saddest people is Mike Rinder. You can clearly see the pain , the toll and stress being in the hole took on him. Having to call someone insane for speaking the truth, and knowing it was the truth, inside probably wanting to scream help me. Knowing he has to go right back into hell.<br />
Even now, Mike still looks as if he will never clear his conscience. I hope he does. He is a good man.</p>
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		By: mysticalpippin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2017 19:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-1/#comment-853170&quot;&gt;valshifter&lt;/a&gt;.

I seriously doubt that. Mike has proven beyond a doubt he is an intelligent man. He has said in interviews that he hated not only the treatment given to him by Miscavige but the treatment he witnessed given to others by the dictator himself. MR has also said that it was going on the internet and reading about all the unethical and unlawful antics of Scientology that enabled him to start the process of waking up.]]></description>
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<p>I seriously doubt that. Mike has proven beyond a doubt he is an intelligent man. He has said in interviews that he hated not only the treatment given to him by Miscavige but the treatment he witnessed given to others by the dictator himself. MR has also said that it was going on the internet and reading about all the unethical and unlawful antics of Scientology that enabled him to start the process of waking up.</p>
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		By: Mymy88		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-853163&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG I remember that one. Air France&#039;s showing of the Airbus,  with a long line of spectators. It barely got off the ground and flew straight into the wooded area to its doom. Gah! Horrible!

They said there is still controversy to this day on what the cause was. They said it had to do with some kind of automated function taken precedent over something the pilot did. Fuck! If you ask me, that&#039;s why half the fucking planes go down right there!

As far as the kid in the cockpit episode, it&#039;s always the same thing, a perfect storm. That seems so strange to me. I&#039;m not sure why. I always tend to think it was ONE reason, but it never is ONE reason, or rarely.

The Tenerife episode! Oh my God. I watched that one over and over trying to get a real good understanding of what exactly went wrong. I ended up at a website that explained it pretty well, but it was still kind of tricky to get it to play back accurately in my head. I know that part about how one transmission happened the same time as the other and cancelled it out was key, but so were some other things that went wrong, or at least they could have been key. (EDIT TO ADD) The website I mentioned was a bird&#039;s eye view of the scenario (animated) that showed where the planes were and how they were moving, while matching everything with all the transmissions. Who knows how accurate it is, but it helped me to understand better. I&#039;ll see if I can find it again and send it to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-853163">Todd Tomorrow</a>.</p>
<p>OMG I remember that one. Air France&#8217;s showing of the Airbus,  with a long line of spectators. It barely got off the ground and flew straight into the wooded area to its doom. Gah! Horrible!</p>
<p>They said there is still controversy to this day on what the cause was. They said it had to do with some kind of automated function taken precedent over something the pilot did. Fuck! If you ask me, that&#8217;s why half the fucking planes go down right there!</p>
<p>As far as the kid in the cockpit episode, it&#8217;s always the same thing, a perfect storm. That seems so strange to me. I&#8217;m not sure why. I always tend to think it was ONE reason, but it never is ONE reason, or rarely.</p>
<p>The Tenerife episode! Oh my God. I watched that one over and over trying to get a real good understanding of what exactly went wrong. I ended up at a website that explained it pretty well, but it was still kind of tricky to get it to play back accurately in my head. I know that part about how one transmission happened the same time as the other and cancelled it out was key, but so were some other things that went wrong, or at least they could have been key. (EDIT TO ADD) The website I mentioned was a bird&#8217;s eye view of the scenario (animated) that showed where the planes were and how they were moving, while matching everything with all the transmissions. Who knows how accurate it is, but it helped me to understand better. I&#8217;ll see if I can find it again and send it to you.</p>
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		By: Mymy88		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2015 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-965637&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

OMG I remember that one. Air France&#039;s showing of the Airbus,  with a long line of spectators. It barely got off the ground and flew straight into the wooded area to its doom. Gah! Horrible!

They said there is still controversy to this day on what the cause was. They said they think it had to do with some kind of automated function taken precedent over something the pilot did. Fuck! If you ask me, that&#039;s why half the fucking planes go down right there! 

It&#039;s just like the Titantic. When you hear someone say an  airplane is the most modern, safest, most advanced fully automated, impossible to crash, don&#039;t believe it for a second. 

As far as the kid in the cockpit episode, it&#039;s always the same thing, a perfect storm. That seems so strange to me. I&#039;m not sure why. I always tend to think it was ONE reason, but it never is ONE reason, or rarely. 

The Tenerife episode! Oh my God. I watched that one over and over trying to get a real good understanding of what exactly went wrong. I ended up at a website that explained it pretty well, but it was still kind of tricky to get it to play back accurately in my head. I know that part about how one transmission happened the same time as the other and cancelled it out was key, but so were some other things that went wrong, or at least they could have been key.]]></description>
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<p>OMG I remember that one. Air France&#8217;s showing of the Airbus,  with a long line of spectators. It barely got off the ground and flew straight into the wooded area to its doom. Gah! Horrible!</p>
<p>They said there is still controversy to this day on what the cause was. They said they think it had to do with some kind of automated function taken precedent over something the pilot did. Fuck! If you ask me, that&#8217;s why half the fucking planes go down right there! </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like the Titantic. When you hear someone say an  airplane is the most modern, safest, most advanced fully automated, impossible to crash, don&#8217;t believe it for a second. </p>
<p>As far as the kid in the cockpit episode, it&#8217;s always the same thing, a perfect storm. That seems so strange to me. I&#8217;m not sure why. I always tend to think it was ONE reason, but it never is ONE reason, or rarely. </p>
<p>The Tenerife episode! Oh my God. I watched that one over and over trying to get a real good understanding of what exactly went wrong. I ended up at a website that explained it pretty well, but it was still kind of tricky to get it to play back accurately in my head. I know that part about how one transmission happened the same time as the other and cancelled it out was key, but so were some other things that went wrong, or at least they could have been key.</p>
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		By: Todd Tomorrow		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 06:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-965452&quot;&gt;Mymy88&lt;/a&gt;.

On that model of airbus it would have attempted to correct itself, although the auto-pilot was off and the plunge already started. That much stress might have been too much for the aircraft to hold up physically. Sadly, nobody knew how to fly those first Airbus 300&#039;s. At their first showing they had some contest winners and VIPs on board. It flew right into a mountain killing all. Every pilot I&#039;ve ever talked to prefer Boeing aircraft over Airbus. They are more pilot friendly. I&#039;ve seen so many vids of Airbus problems and since they&#039;re so automated they can&#039;t figure out what they do since they rarely,&quot;Fly&quot; them. Back then they had to be tweaked before they found out that pilots had to learn what to do when one went crazy. I&#039;ll do anything not to get on one but sometimes have to. The G-forces made it nearly impossible to get to their seats. And then trying to figure out why you are in an accelerated dive. I don&#039;t think they had the time or a chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-965452">Mymy88</a>.</p>
<p>On that model of airbus it would have attempted to correct itself, although the auto-pilot was off and the plunge already started. That much stress might have been too much for the aircraft to hold up physically. Sadly, nobody knew how to fly those first Airbus 300&#8217;s. At their first showing they had some contest winners and VIPs on board. It flew right into a mountain killing all. Every pilot I&#8217;ve ever talked to prefer Boeing aircraft over Airbus. They are more pilot friendly. I&#8217;ve seen so many vids of Airbus problems and since they&#8217;re so automated they can&#8217;t figure out what they do since they rarely,&#8221;Fly&#8221; them. Back then they had to be tweaked before they found out that pilots had to learn what to do when one went crazy. I&#8217;ll do anything not to get on one but sometimes have to. The G-forces made it nearly impossible to get to their seats. And then trying to figure out why you are in an accelerated dive. I don&#8217;t think they had the time or a chance.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mymy88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2015 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-964365&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

Okay, I just finished watching it again. Wow, that one is so good. Jesus, it was hard to watch because you just know those passengers were experiencing a living hell, and you know all the death and destruction to come is so sad.   

I have a question. Maybe you can help me find the answer.  The investigators concluded that when the pilots lost control of the plane, all they had to do was let go of the yoke and the plane would have corrected itself. Did the pilots not know that because they did not know one of the automated components had been disengaged or was it because they did not know it would be the solution in a situation where a plane is behaving like that? Or I guess it could have been both or some other reason altogether. What do you think?]]></description>
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<p>Okay, I just finished watching it again. Wow, that one is so good. Jesus, it was hard to watch because you just know those passengers were experiencing a living hell, and you know all the death and destruction to come is so sad.   </p>
<p>I have a question. Maybe you can help me find the answer.  The investigators concluded that when the pilots lost control of the plane, all they had to do was let go of the yoke and the plane would have corrected itself. Did the pilots not know that because they did not know one of the automated components had been disengaged or was it because they did not know it would be the solution in a situation where a plane is behaving like that? Or I guess it could have been both or some other reason altogether. What do you think?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2015 04:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-964365&quot;&gt;Todd Tomorrow&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh God I know! I remember watching that one! It&#039;s one of the best as far as recreation and suspense. It&#039;s  a total shock toward the end when you hear the specifics of what technically happened and why. Amazing! I think it was a Russian kid. Yeah, I&#039;ll watch it again. Can you imagine that all those people died because they put a kid in the cockpit. Okay, I&#039;ll watch it and let you know what I think. It&#039;s been quite a while since I&#039;ve seen it. Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/03/23/going-clear-mike-rinder-helps-us-understand-a-scientology-document-that-will-creep-you-out/comment-page-3/#comment-964365">Todd Tomorrow</a>.</p>
<p>Oh God I know! I remember watching that one! It&#8217;s one of the best as far as recreation and suspense. It&#8217;s  a total shock toward the end when you hear the specifics of what technically happened and why. Amazing! I think it was a Russian kid. Yeah, I&#8217;ll watch it again. Can you imagine that all those people died because they put a kid in the cockpit. Okay, I&#8217;ll watch it and let you know what I think. It&#8217;s been quite a while since I&#8217;ve seen it. Thanks!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2015 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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We just hit dead air which caused the plane to drop on our way into turbulence. I was in my late teens or early 20&#039;s, but I could tell we were not diving. It made me think how well those are put together. This is my favorite, I thought i&#039;d share. Hope you enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxyJ2d26sfk]]></description>
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<p>We just hit dead air which caused the plane to drop on our way into turbulence. I was in my late teens or early 20&#8217;s, but I could tell we were not diving. It made me think how well those are put together. This is my favorite, I thought i&#8217;d share. Hope you enjoy.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxyJ2d26sfk" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxyJ2d26sfk</a></p>
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