pssst… I’m in Atlanta too. Do you know where specifically in Norcross they are? Can you private email me if you don’t mind at: doglover1929 @ outlook dot com Thanks.

Message me via tonyo94 AT gmail.com. We can talk about pictures, privately (much as I’m sure my fans – all three of them – will be fascinated). I was born and grew up in Lichfield! I left EG in 1994 (wisest move ever – they are too lazy to do their liability formulas here) and live near Nottingham – just over an hour from Sutton Coldfield.

Yes, I’ve read ‘Buddhism without Beliefs’ and see it as a very positive trend (as sponsored by the delightful Dalai Lama). I am an unaffiilated Buddhist (a mix of Theravadim and Mahayana). Learned my zazen over forty years ago at Throssle Hole Priory. I’m not concerned in the least about anything supernatural – not quite sure how I was tricked into it in the clut, as I was well aware of ‘gedozen’, the prohibition on miracles in Zen. Don’t care about reincarnation or anything of that sort. Just the lovely eternal now, in which I spend all my spare time (several mintues each month…)

Hubbard certainly wasn’t Metteya/Maitreya, as he didn’t lead us all to nirvana, but, instead, died. End of prophecy. The week I joined, I wrote to the Pali Text Society, only to have every element of his ‘red-head’ ‘born in the West’ ‘2,500 years after Buddha’ roundly and soundly dismissed. How can anyone believe that Scientology involves even the simplest tenets of Buddhism? I ranted about this in Blue Sky – the anatta doctrine versus Separateness, R2-48, in Creation of Human Ability – let alone the Noble Truthes or the 8-fold path. He was a con artist with no concern about truth (‘honesty is sanity’, as he said, which puts him into focus!). He was too lazy to read anything other than Havelock Ellis on sexual perversion (something he practised, pain and sex being much the same to him, it seems) and Aleister Crowley on everything else. As my ancient Possible Origins for Dianetics and Scientology shows, most of Scientology derives from Crowley – in the very Crowley book that Hubbard recommended in 1952 on the PDC.

And Brigham Young was involved in his own massacre of Native Americans. I’m sure DM is just itching to follow in his footsteps. Maybe we could send him out to Syria to help bring peace? He and Bag Daddy could compare notes and fight to the death. Have you seen the excellent UK documentary Meet the Mormons? It allows them to shoot their own feet, constantly.

Too late, I’ve bought Witek’s book (it was only £1.99 on kindle), so that I could check his OT VIII stuff.

Hope to see you when you’re over!

j

Hi, Jon…
First, did you mean send an actual e-mail to tonyortega.org? Or send you more messages this way? I very much like the oil Deep Sleepers. What would be a ball-park price? If you want to send me an e-mail, I could put it in this kind of message, although I’m not sure that’s a good idea given surveillance…what do you think? If I could use some tony-connected address that might be the best.

My husband is English and we have a place in Sutton Coldfield (between Birmingham and Litchfield.) We’re going over in early March. He will spend 3 months and I only one. (Stuff to do, including my having to become enrolled in Medicare because this is the year, whoopee, that I turn 65.) For some unpleasant reason all the planes from the US to the UK land at Heathrow rather than Birmingham, at least unless our travel agent can find something new, which means that I have to head down your way on my trip home. I’m coming home sometime in the middle of April and if it weren’t too complicated perhaps I could head down to East Grinstead to pick it up first…of course then I’d still have the problem of getting it home. Hmmm. Would it be hard to send a painting to the US? I am not a frequent buyer of art so I don’t know these things…the other thing is that we could take a train down as part of a trip, pick it up to put in the Sutton Coldfield place, which would be nice. We haven’t been to Bath recently and I’d like to go again, or we could stay in a hotel in E. Grinstead, if it’s NOT owned by Co$. (Caution: this is a bit dependent on price for me. Not hugely, but a bit.)

I just got my first copies of Church of Greed from Amazon! I can see that it is the perfect book to buy in bulk and leave in places–easy to read and with interesting pictures. I will also make sure our local library has Blue Sky. It may not…Santa Fe has no Scientology. Thanks for the offer of a discount, but I think I should buy it at the regular price, because this is your work! The workman is worthy of his hire. And I CAN afford that.

I read some Korzybski way back when I was taking a bit of interest in semantics. I REALLY can’t see Elron making his way through that stuff. I agree that he must have had ADHD at the very least…I think he got used to using charm to finesse that fact, and he was good at turning a blurb into a “long research.” I am a Buddhist (Vipassana), main teachers being Stephen and Martine Batchelor, with whom you may be familiar…and he’s English. He wrote “Buddhism Without Beliefs.” And I agree that LRH knew diddly squat about Buddhism. I’ve actually wondered if he was bipolar with a narcissistic, paranoid element thrown in. In any case, I just don’t think he spent much time reading. Glad to have your opinion on that!

I didn’t know about Hubbard’s fingerprints being used against the check fraud! Very interesting.

Since you are well-informed about the OTVIII controversy, I’d advise giving Witek’s book a miss. I don’t think he’s a writer, and although he’s obviously well-read (he does some analysis against Schopenhauer and Kant to name a few), it’s sludgy, repetitive, and oddly not to the point. I read it all in one sitting before going to sleep and found it an aid to slumber.

Oh! Just thought! I’ll give Blue Sky and Church of Greed to the Sutton Coldfield Library and the Stratford library (John’s best friend lives there) when we’re there! And it will be a good place to leave copies lying around.

Let me know about e-mail if you can…

Thanks for your good work in distributing Cult of Greed. If you’d like to buy in bulk, I’m sure we can arrange a discount! As I said in Dublin, the British Librarian magazine
suggested that Blue Sky was the most stolen book in British libraries, but it
would be nice to put both BS and COG into libraries, and I’m open to giving a
discount.

Church of Hate http://griess.st1.at/gsk/fecris/copenhagen/Atack%20EN.pdf

No, Hubbard was way too spaced out to research anything. He also had ADHD, as far as I can tell. No way he would read Schopenhauer, Kant or Korzybski (the last of whose ideas found there way into Dianetics through Sara, Heinlein and van Vogt). I’ve spoken to so many people who were there when some ‘research’ happened. David Mayo’s
experience during OT V was not untypical. He’d be auditing Hubbard and suddenly
be ordered to write something down that had occurred to the Founder. These
stray thoughts were the ‘research’. His ‘on research of two cases’ about LSD
came from his annoyance with two people (one was Harvey Haber, who told me
about it), so he ordered their folders checked to find what they had in common.
‘Research’!

Captain Billy should be encouraged to write his story. He has had an amazing life – from the time his Scientologist mother, Betty Wordie, abandoned him in an orphanage, through his life in Scn in South Africa and the UK, his decades in South America and his
recent attempt to ‘reconnect’ with his family by rejoining the cult. He is a
remarkable man. It is a remarkable story.

I haven’t read George Witek’s book, but I there are enough former members explaining that the OT VIII that was first released (and quickly withdrawn) contained Hubbard’s attack on Jesus (in OT III he said he was imaginary, wish he’d make up his mind) as a ‘lover of young boys and men’ and his claim to be the Antichrist (which he told Nibs,
long ago).

I think the comparison with Joseph Smith is apt (and maybe DM is Hubbard’s Brigham Young?). Mark Twain on Christian Science is well worth a read, too, especially as the mind over matter stuff in Scientology probably derives from there. Like Hubbard, Smith
had a scant education and a penchant for fraud (they were both arrested for it, after all – Hubbard’s body was identified using the fingerprints from his San Luis Obispo cheque fraud, in the 40s).

Please email me via Tony and we’ll talk about paintings.

Thanks!

Just last night I found that Cult of Greed was on Amazon and ordered several copies for myself and friends. Since it’s light and, as you say, written for outsiders, I will start buying in bulk to do my little trick of leaving it in public places where tourists stop to rest. (Our busy hotel on the Plaza is a great place. I have watched people just pick it up curiously and walk off with it.)

Where can I get the Church of Hate paper? I didn’t see it on Amazon…that would be another good thing to get in bulk.

If Captain Billy was in Co$, he should be used to being forced to work long hours. Tell him to use that skill in writing his book! (Actually I hope he is enjoying life and relaxing and finding new things to think about.)

Last night I read the entirety of George Witek’s book. Not sure what my reaction is. I then read the piece in the Tony Ortega archive about the original OTVIII…you’ve never mentioned it so I’m thinking you may not feel you have the evidence to take a position either way. The mass of material he had about relationships with Schopenhauer, Freud, Korzybski, Gnostics and so forth was interesting, but I kept wondering if Elron was really capable of doing much research about anything, other than geting a quick skim or a summary from someone. I’m actually a Mormon history buff and that was what made me so interested in Co$ when I discovered it: another charismatic leader who got people to do incredible things based on a fraud. (I was never a Mormon either.) I’ve thought that Joseph’s particular genius was to have sort of antennae for the Zeitgeist…for images, ideas and so on…and to collect them together into stories. I’ve had the impression Elron may have had a similar genius, and a similar mental illness (almost exactly what you describe in your BRILLIANT “In Summary” section in Blue Sky.) Joseph was not focussed enough to really study either, but he got ideas from the better-educated people who surrounded him. (He didn’t, however, understand that using “And it came to pass” in every other sentence in the Book of Mormon was not useful. As Mark Twain said, if you took all of them out, you’d have a pamphlet. They were quietly edited out over the years. At least Elron could write.) There’s a wonderful book called “The Refiner’s Fire” about the many occult images that Joseph would have had access to, starting primarily with occult movements in Prague in the Middle Ages and people like John Dee. I wonder if Elron’s antennae picked up similar things? He was obviously fascinated by Egyptian lore from Aleister C.

Oh, too much rambling. If you stopped reading, that’s fine. If you fell asleep, I hope you had a nice nap.

I’m enjoying your site, writings, pictures. There is a picture I’m interested in buying. I’ll check the details about how to do it there.

You are most welcome. I’m eager to spread The Cult of Greed as far and wide as possible. Blue Sky was written for victims of the Tech, but COG is for those fortunate enough never to have contacted Ronworld. It is the refinement of some of the very worst of the clut, with my usual OCD footnoting. I’d also like to see my Church of Hate paper widely distributed. The internet is now awash with material, and I view COG and COH as primers, so that those surfing will have a basic grasp. Captain Billy is a force of nature!

As soon as you release the name of the University, I will make plans to be there if at all possible! And just as I am a major “consumer” of your book (I have bought a number to give to friends and leave in public places) I would also become a major consumer of Captain Billy’s autobiography, so tell him he has some advance sales already lined up and he’d better start writing! Thanks so much for the invite…

I have never stood on a dog, literally or illiterally, though I have stood on a certain amount of dogma (should that be ‘stood in’?). I like all friendly animals, as a matter of principle (even sharks, many of whom seem to be attracted to Scn). We always had a dog, when I was a kid – the first of which protected me from a couple of over-enthusiastic boxers, when I was four. I wanted a Hungarian poodle, after I first met one, when I was about eight, but somehow it never happened. A cat wandered into my garden a couple of years back and after a few fairly aggressive encounters decided to be friendly, instead. She convinced me that cats are far easier to look after than dogs, so I finally gave in to my kids’ entreaties for a pet. Sadly, Pushkin, that stray, had a fatal tumour. I acquired the two illustrated kittens last year – they were born in April – and they are quite simply wonderful.

As I announced at the conference, I’m booked for a five day seminar in a North American university this summer, and we intend to open the conference to the public, so why not come along? I’d be delighted to meet you. I’m not sure that I can persuade the amazing Captain Billy to come too, but I’ll do my best. Heck, a non-violent pirate has to be something to see, and his life story is jaw-dropping. I’m trying to convince him write his autobiography…

Thank you. Extraordinary two days. Your efforts are reaching people and saving lives. I’m very proud to know you and thank you for introducing “Bill the captain”. All the participants were great, I cried, I laughed, I get upset and I increased the resolution that me and my family will be away from scio and that I will support you and everybody that put their life in danger fighting this cult.