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		By: neto1987		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jim was obsessed with Candance... I don&#039;t know if it was in a sexual way, because never once he talked about her looks, and how he liked her and he never metioned anything of the sort... He was just obsessed in using LRH&#039;s way of helping people. He was brainwashed and took on this assignment as if his life was on the line. He was prepared to help her for the rest of his life. It&#039;s like scientology took full control of his brain. It&#039;s almost unbelievable, it&#039;s like something you see from a movie. Jim thinks he is trying to help people who are crazy, but instead he is the one who is an obvious psycho and needs to be on some kind of medication right away.

And the problem with this Scientology method to help people is that it only makes people worse to the point of dying. I really hope this cult gets prosecuted for things like this... For Brandon&#039;s case, for this Candace&#039;s case, for Lisa Mcpherson&#039;s case.. I hope this cult closes down. Isn&#039;t it obvious by now that NOTHING works? None of LRH&#039;s method works.. NONE OF IT. It is sad. That&#039;s why not many people joins the church anymore, except those that are born into it, it&#039;s not their fault.. Other than that, in this internet world, no one with a sane mind would get out of their way to join this cult.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim was obsessed with Candance&#8230; I don&#8217;t know if it was in a sexual way, because never once he talked about her looks, and how he liked her and he never metioned anything of the sort&#8230; He was just obsessed in using LRH&#8217;s way of helping people. He was brainwashed and took on this assignment as if his life was on the line. He was prepared to help her for the rest of his life. It&#8217;s like scientology took full control of his brain. It&#8217;s almost unbelievable, it&#8217;s like something you see from a movie. Jim thinks he is trying to help people who are crazy, but instead he is the one who is an obvious psycho and needs to be on some kind of medication right away.</p>
<p>And the problem with this Scientology method to help people is that it only makes people worse to the point of dying. I really hope this cult gets prosecuted for things like this&#8230; For Brandon&#8217;s case, for this Candace&#8217;s case, for Lisa Mcpherson&#8217;s case.. I hope this cult closes down. Isn&#8217;t it obvious by now that NOTHING works? None of LRH&#8217;s method works.. NONE OF IT. It is sad. That&#8217;s why not many people joins the church anymore, except those that are born into it, it&#8217;s not their fault.. Other than that, in this internet world, no one with a sane mind would get out of their way to join this cult.</p>
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		By: SB_Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like the majority of them running it belong in Prison.
This is a sick,  heinous, Cult, and Miscarriage, sorry - Miscavige  is a sociopath who belongs in a padded cell in prison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like the majority of them running it belong in Prison.<br />
This is a sick,  heinous, Cult, and Miscarriage, sorry &#8211; Miscavige  is a sociopath who belongs in a padded cell in prison.</p>
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		By: I am		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[I am]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Was Jim&#039;s aunt and uncle, Bob Cohee and his wife?
 Bob was one of my Pc&#039;s  and I wondered what happened to him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was Jim&#8217;s aunt and uncle, Bob Cohee and his wife?<br />
 Bob was one of my Pc&#8217;s  and I wondered what happened to him.</p>
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		By: Dice ✓		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dice ✓]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 04:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-4/#comment-1540331&quot;&gt;Eva Yougondre&lt;/a&gt;.

Your are not allowed to have any Auditing if you have a mental illness by church rules. So what you are claiming is pure nonsense! However, if they allowed you to hang around and treated you with respect (most of them are really nice people) then i will agree with you, that this could make a huge difference. But then again, most Churches or monastery will treat people with respect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-4/#comment-1540331">Eva Yougondre</a>.</p>
<p>Your are not allowed to have any Auditing if you have a mental illness by church rules. So what you are claiming is pure nonsense! However, if they allowed you to hang around and treated you with respect (most of them are really nice people) then i will agree with you, that this could make a huge difference. But then again, most Churches or monastery will treat people with respect.</p>
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		By: Eva Yougondre		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Yougondre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2016 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The strange this is I was legally insain. In and out of institutions my entire life diagnosed with life long mental Illnesses that doctors said I would never be able to get over and that I would have to take medications my whole life for and with a high percentage that I would have to be in an assisted living home for young adults with mental illnesses. Two years into Scientology and I have not only been deemed legally sain I have no trace of any past mental dissorder where before an anxiety attack would land me in the hospital hallucinating and trying to harm staff cause I visually and mentally saw them as someone they were not. Mistreatment of the mentally ill? I don&#039;t think so. The staff at the church I went to put their lives on the line (literally! For the first two months I physically attacked the staff intending to kill them cause of the manic episode I was going through) to help me. Now I am not only a trusted individual but I am a normal and trusted individual in my community that people look up to. I know for a fact that I would of gotten worse if I stayed with psychiatry all the drugs they were putting me on were driving me crazy and the treatments were unethical to say the least. Psychiatry is known for unlawful impressment, detained with out probable cause, so on and so forth so many human rights are violated under the guise of &quot;mental health&quot; just look at the track record of psychiatry it&#039;s full of messed up treatment from torcher devises to shock therapy to ice picks in the eye and now drugs. If you want to try and discredit one are make sure you do as much research on the other one as well. Other wise it&#039;s a one sided debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strange this is I was legally insain. In and out of institutions my entire life diagnosed with life long mental Illnesses that doctors said I would never be able to get over and that I would have to take medications my whole life for and with a high percentage that I would have to be in an assisted living home for young adults with mental illnesses. Two years into Scientology and I have not only been deemed legally sain I have no trace of any past mental dissorder where before an anxiety attack would land me in the hospital hallucinating and trying to harm staff cause I visually and mentally saw them as someone they were not. Mistreatment of the mentally ill? I don&#8217;t think so. The staff at the church I went to put their lives on the line (literally! For the first two months I physically attacked the staff intending to kill them cause of the manic episode I was going through) to help me. Now I am not only a trusted individual but I am a normal and trusted individual in my community that people look up to. I know for a fact that I would of gotten worse if I stayed with psychiatry all the drugs they were putting me on were driving me crazy and the treatments were unethical to say the least. Psychiatry is known for unlawful impressment, detained with out probable cause, so on and so forth so many human rights are violated under the guise of &#8220;mental health&#8221; just look at the track record of psychiatry it&#8217;s full of messed up treatment from torcher devises to shock therapy to ice picks in the eye and now drugs. If you want to try and discredit one are make sure you do as much research on the other one as well. Other wise it&#8217;s a one sided debate.</p>
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		By: Margie8		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2015 11:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Insane. Heartbreaking. I am the mother of three autistic boys, one severe. Years ago, my husband and I sat baffled reading stories about Travolta&#039;s son, Jett, who was clearly autistic, while they claimed allergies, etc. Now, so many years later and getting a shocking insight into Scientology, I read that they finally admitted Jett was autistic, after his death. Some comments said that the church demanded he be taken off anti-seizure meds which they did and it resulted in Jett&#039;s death. Obviously I don&#039;t know what&#039;s true. I do know that JT is (or at least was in 1982) a sweet person who has been victimized by Scientology. The mommy in me is furious reading this crap. I&#039;m lucky that my boys don&#039;t need meds or have seizures. SOMETHING needs to be done! But what? This is crazy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insane. Heartbreaking. I am the mother of three autistic boys, one severe. Years ago, my husband and I sat baffled reading stories about Travolta&#8217;s son, Jett, who was clearly autistic, while they claimed allergies, etc. Now, so many years later and getting a shocking insight into Scientology, I read that they finally admitted Jett was autistic, after his death. Some comments said that the church demanded he be taken off anti-seizure meds which they did and it resulted in Jett&#8217;s death. Obviously I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s true. I do know that JT is (or at least was in 1982) a sweet person who has been victimized by Scientology. The mommy in me is furious reading this crap. I&#8217;m lucky that my boys don&#8217;t need meds or have seizures. SOMETHING needs to be done! But what? This is crazy!</p>
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		By: Ruby Marlowe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruby Marlowe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2015 00:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-771913&quot;&gt;ShoopZ&lt;/a&gt;.

700 skillion]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-2/#comment-771913">ShoopZ</a>.</p>
<p>700 skillion</p>
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		By: Dusty Ayres		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dusty Ayres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2015 22:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-1/#comment-872896&quot;&gt;susanVawn&lt;/a&gt;.

You seem to think that you know a lot about mental health, but I don&#039;t think that you do. And as I said, your anti-psych blatherings won&#039;t work with the people on this site.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-1/#comment-872896">susanVawn</a>.</p>
<p>You seem to think that you know a lot about mental health, but I don&#8217;t think that you do. And as I said, your anti-psych blatherings won&#8217;t work with the people on this site.</p>
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		By: susanVawn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[susanVawn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2015 18:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-1/#comment-872880&quot;&gt;Dusty Ayres&lt;/a&gt;.

so you consider Loren Mosher&#039;s work &quot;pseudo-scientific?&quot;  If you want closed comments that agree only with your views, then you should have noted so at the beginning.  As Hitler or others w/propaganda agendas would do]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-1/#comment-872880">Dusty Ayres</a>.</p>
<p>so you consider Loren Mosher&#8217;s work &#8220;pseudo-scientific?&#8221;  If you want closed comments that agree only with your views, then you should have noted so at the beginning.  As Hitler or others w/propaganda agendas would do</p>
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		By: Dusty Ayres		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dusty Ayres]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2015 18:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-1/#comment-872780&quot;&gt;susanVawn&lt;/a&gt;.

While I don&#039;t deny that Big Pharma has done some bad things, that people have suffered due to the psych establishment (in particular people like &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susanna_Kaysen&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Susanna Kaysen&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.radicalpsychology.org/vol3-1/don.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don Weitz&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Tierney#Health_issues&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gene Tierney, &lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Frame&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Janet Frame&lt;/a&gt;, plus countless others) and that the psych establishment could learn from medical pioneers like &lt;a href=&quot;https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Tosquelles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;François Tosquelles&lt;/a&gt; (and his disciple/student &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frantz Fanon&lt;/a&gt;) not all of the psych establishment or Big Pharma is completely bad, and it has saved lives. Many of the people messed up by the Co$ could have been saved by Big Pharma and the psych establishment (in particular Ronnie Boy and his son Quentin) and many more could be saved from the crap that the Cos$ has them embroiled in now, like Tom Cruise (who AFAIK is headed for a psychotic break.)  


This isn&#039;t a place for you to be spouting your anti-psych beliefs in, nor is it a place to be arguing any pseudo-scientific stuff about alternative treatments for psych disorders. The people here are suffering and hurting from what the Co$ has done to them (or have had friends and loved ones who&#039;ve suffered and are suffering) and they don&#039;t really care about the bad that&#039;s been done by Big Pharma and the psych establishment.They care about the bad done by the Co$-&lt;i&gt;the only reason this website exists.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2015/02/02/the-shocking-case-of-scientology-mistreatment-of-the-mentally-ill-you-havent-heard/comment-page-1/#comment-872780">susanVawn</a>.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t deny that Big Pharma has done some bad things, that people have suffered due to the psych establishment (in particular people like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susanna_Kaysen" rel="nofollow">Susanna Kaysen</a> and <a href="http://www.radicalpsychology.org/vol3-1/don.html" rel="nofollow">Don Weitz</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Tierney#Health_issues" rel="nofollow">Gene Tierney, </a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Frame" rel="nofollow">Janet Frame</a>, plus countless others) and that the psych establishment could learn from medical pioneers like <a href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Tosquelles" rel="nofollow">François Tosquelles</a> (and his disciple/student <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frantz_Fanon" rel="nofollow">Frantz Fanon</a>) not all of the psych establishment or Big Pharma is completely bad, and it has saved lives. Many of the people messed up by the Co$ could have been saved by Big Pharma and the psych establishment (in particular Ronnie Boy and his son Quentin) and many more could be saved from the crap that the Cos$ has them embroiled in now, like Tom Cruise (who AFAIK is headed for a psychotic break.)  </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a place for you to be spouting your anti-psych beliefs in, nor is it a place to be arguing any pseudo-scientific stuff about alternative treatments for psych disorders. The people here are suffering and hurting from what the Co$ has done to them (or have had friends and loved ones who&#8217;ve suffered and are suffering) and they don&#8217;t really care about the bad that&#8217;s been done by Big Pharma and the psych establishment.They care about the bad done by the Co$-<i>the only reason this website exists.</i></p>
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