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Las Vegas attorney files 27th suit against Scientology rehab, Michigan attorney files 2nd

Eddie_GeorgeLas Vegas attorney Ryan Hamilton has filed his 27th lawsuit against Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, and Jeffrey P. Ray, an attorney in Michigan, has added two of his own in just a week’s time.

Endorsed by Scientology’s most well-known celebrities, such as Tom Cruise and Kirstie Alley, Narconon was for many years one of the organization’s most reliable money-makers. But recent patient deaths, negative press attention, and lawsuits around the country have turned Narconon into one of Scientology’s biggest headaches.

Unprotected by the religious cloaking that has proved so effective for Scientology itself, Narconon is vulnerable because it advertises one thing (individualized drug counseling with medical professionals and sky-high success rates) and delivers quite another (Scientology training with no medical personnel on hand and no proof of high success rates).

That’s opened the door for Ryan Hamilton, who began filing lawsuits against Narconon facilities in Nevada, California, and Colorado a year ago. Recently, he branched out to Florida. And now, he’s filed another lawsuit, and it’s in a new location: He’s suing a facility in Louisiana, the New Life Retreat in Denham Springs, with the help of local attorney Patrick W. Pendley.

Their client, Jeannette McHenry of Washington State, was looking for a rehab program for her son Alexander last February when she found a website that advertised an 800 number. When she called it she spoke to a person who put her in touch with a man named Jeff Gordon representing New Life Retreat.

She got the usual Narconon pitch: Gordon claimed the program had a 76-percent success rate, that her son would get addiction counseling, and that the facility’s sauna program was scientific and would eliminate her son’s drug cravings by detoxifying.

Jeannette paid $27,000 up front for her son to enter the program, borrowing money from family and from a bank.

And then, like others who enter the program, Alexander found out that instead of drug counseling he would be getting Scientology training.

As in his other lawsuits, Hamilton brings in detailed descriptions of what he’s found in other legal cases against Narconon — admissions that its processes aren’t as effective as they claim, for example.

No one at NLR ever spoke to Plaintiff’s son about the specifics of his life or substance abuse issues. Each patient at NLR received the exact same “treatment” regardless of the drug the person abused and the etiology and the severity of the patient’s addiction. At NLR, Plaintiff’s son did not receive any of the treatment Plaintiff had been promised and for which Plaintiff paid a ssubstantial sum of money. Instead, he received only Scientology indoctrination and dangerous Scientology rituals.

Meanwhile, attorney Jeff Ray has filed two lawsuits against Narconon Freedom Center in Albion, Michigan — the most recent just yesterday.

In that lawsuit, Joshua Currey of West Virginia alleges that on October 3, 2011, he found Narconon Freedom Center’s website, which claimed a success rate of 70 percent and described its sauna program. Currey called the facility and spoke to Ryan Daniels, telling him that he wanted his health insurance to pay for the program.

Currey alleges that he was told he’d need to pay $15,000 up front, and that the program would get pre-authorization from his insurance plan to cover the program. While he was “detoxing,” however, Currey suffered from a kidney stone. The center still wanted his up-front payment of $15,000 but Currey objected, saying that pre-authorization from his insurance program still hadn’t been obtained.

In great pain from the kidney stone and pressured to sign credit card authorization forms, Currey relented, and the center charged the $15,000 to credit cards the facility had obtained for him.

Then, his insurance denied coverage because he hadn’t gotten the pre-authorization he’d been asking the rehab center to obtain.

“Plaintiff has been unable to make the payments on the credit cards NFC obtained for him. Plaintiffs credit score has dropped over 200 points,” the suit alleges.

And, like other Narconon patients, Currey learned that instead of drug counseling, he’d be receiving Scientology training.

The lawsuit contains much of the same material about Narconon’s connection to Scientology that we’ve seen in Ryan Hamilton’s suits. Just as Narconon International makes sure all of is rehab facilities follow L. Ron Hubbard’s “technology” to the letter, so lawsuits against Narconon centers can easily be standardized as well. And the reason behind it is simply that Narconon doesn’t deliver what it promises.

No one at NFC ever spoke to Plaintiff about the specifics of his life or his problems with addiction. Instead, NFC purported to treat Plaintiff with the standardized Narconon program. Plaintiff left NFC within a short period of time because the “treatment” he was being provided did not appear safe and bore no resemblance to what he had been promised. At NFC, Plaintiff did not receive any of the treatment he had been promised and for which Plaintiff paid a substantial sum of money. Instead, Plaintiff received only Scientology indoctrination.

Just a week before, Jeff Ray filed another lawsuit against the Albion facility on behalf of a young woman, Lauren Prevec, who makes similar allegations about what she was promised at Narconon Freedom Center and then experienced during her 2012 stay there.

But Prevec also alleges that her “detox” to start the program deprived her of the anti-depressant medicine she was prescribed. (Scientology has a virulent hatred of psychiatry and any drugs associated with it.)

Narconon makes promises about providing a safe, drug-free environment. But like we’ve seen in other lawsuits, Prevec found a very different reality at NFC: “During Lauren’s time at NFC she observed NFC staff members engage in romantic relationships with patients. During Lauren’s time at NFC drugs were regularly brought into the facility.”

Like the others, Lauren is suing because ultimately she didn’t get what she’d paid for.

On or about July 3, 2012, Plaintiff was suspended from NFC because she tested positive for marijuana. Plaintiff did not return to the facility because the treatment at NFC bore no resemblance to what Plaintiffs had been promised. At NFC, Lauren did not receive any of the treatment Plaintiffs had been promised and for which Plaintiffs paid a substantial sum of money. Instead, Lauren received only Scientology indoctrination.

Before Jeff Ray filed these two lawsuits, we had previously reported on another case he’d handled, which also involved Narconon Freedom Center. It involved a man named Richard Teague, who was seriously wounded at the facility, and who talked to us after his lawsuit was settled.

Now, Ray is taking a page from Hamilton and he’s rapidly filed two lawsuits which use much of the same evidence that was first dug up by yet another attorney, Jeff Harris in Georgia. And there’s another firm in Illinois which has filed three suits against Narconon centers there on much the same model.

We sense a trend.

THE DOCUMENTS:
Jeannette McHenry v. Narconon Louisiana New Life Center (Ryan Hamilton and Patrick W. Pendley)
Joshua Currey v. Narconon Freedom Center (Jeff Ray)
Lauren, Jannette, and Frank Prevec v. Narconon Freedom Center (Jeff Ray)

 
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Oklahoma hits back at Kim Poff and Michael DeLong

We’ve been following the explosive allegations made by two former Oklahoma state employees who say they were fired because they found wrongdoing at Scientology’s flagship drug rehab facility, Narconon Arrowhead, and recommended that it be shut down, but their superiors buried the report because they were afraid of taking on the church.

Now, the state has filed motions to dismiss in both lawsuits. The motions call Poff and DeLong’s allegations “baseless,” and assert that even if they had found wrongdoing at Narconon Arrowhead, the department would still have discretion what to do about it and might not decide to revoke Narconon Arrowhead’s license.

We’ll be interested in what the Bunker’s readers in the legal field will have to say about the case law that’s cited in the motions. Give us your analysis!

THE DOCUMENTS:
Motion to dismiss Kim Poff’s lawsuit
Motion to dismiss Michael DeLong’s lawsuit

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

It’s Shrek Night at the fundraiser in Budapest! Our thanks to Peter Bonyai for sending these in. He says that in the second photo, the man in the black hat is Tamás Nagy, executive director of the Budapest org, and he’s surrounded by OT 7s and 8s…

 
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Our thanks to Tory Christman, who sent us this photo taken inside the new Hollywood Life Improvement Center — formerly known as the Hollywood Test Center/Christie Hotel/Hollywood Inn — which has finally opened up after we pointed out not long ago that it had fallen into pre-foreclosure following a renovation…

 
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One of our tipsters pointed out that there’s a bizarre story today at the website of the East Grinstead Courier. East Grinstead, England is the home to Scientology UK headquarters and L. Ron Hubbard’s former estate, Saint Hill Manor. The local town has always had an uneasy relationship with the church, and back in the late 1960s it practically broke out in a local war. But the Courier has posted a really strange item. Titled “What is Scientology and what do Scientologists believe?” the unbylined story reads like pure Scientology marketing pablum. However, it’s interspersed with embedded videos which aren’t flattering to Scientology at all — including the Forrest Ackerman interview we posted recently. What gives?

 
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Thanks again to MissCandle for posting this morning’s USA Today full-page ad in our comments section…

 
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Another Clear in Tampa!

 
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The glamorous Meghan Fialkoff presenting Foundation for a Drug-Free World info to a New York City Community Board. Who knew New Yorkers were such patsies?

 
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Another happy customer in Tampa!

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
OUR COUNTDOWN

 
3 days until Alex Gibney’s film Going Clear: Scientology & the Prison of Belief opens at the Sundance Film Festival at 2:30 pm on Sunday, January 25 in Park City, Utah

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 22, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Three more days to wait
    Vicarious Sundance Fest
    Underground Bunker
    #GoingClear #Sundance2015 #haiku

    Bunker Sundance Fest
    Popcorn, cake, drinks and good friends
    Things Church of Sci lacks
    #haiku #Sundance2015 #GoingClear #WeHaveTP2

    Send body armor
    To Sea Org slaves in COB’s reach
    They’re gonna need it.
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #ViolentToddlerTantrums

    Message to COB’s Ass.
    Lou, protect all, and yourself.
    Medicate niblet.
    #ThorazaneApplesauce #haiku #GoingClear #scientology

    Sending threat letters
    They no longer have the bite
    Bark now a whimper
    #haiku #scientology #GoingClear #Sundance2015

    Going Clear Premier
    The Sundance Film Festival
    Sunday 25th
    #Sundance2015 #haiku #scientology

    • Good morning, Tia! Perfect.

      • Morning Dodo! Just said that to you above! 😀 Thanks!

    • aquaclara

      Lovely haikus to start our three day countdown. Thank you!
      You’re so good at these – it’s wonderful to read them.

    • Morning Dodo! 🙂

    • Graham

      If anyone fancies a bit of mass flagging, here are the instructions for The Underground Bunker RPF (Rapid Pierrot Flagging) :

      1) Click on Dodo’s link above.
      2) At the very top click on the Regional List tab.
      3) This gives a screen which includes a ‘quick flag’ column at far right.
      4) Hold down the control key whilst clicking down that right hand column.
      5) Check by opening the occasional tab to check there’s no nasty ‘IP Blocked’ message.
      6) Get rid of the accumulated tabs by right clicking on the ‘master’ tab and then clicking ‘close all other tabs’ on the menu. This gets rid of everything except the data base on the master tab.

      Rinse and repeat until the whole column’s been flagged.

      TIP: Flagging on the Daily Wip database page is slow but a) you catch the new ones whilst they are fresh and b) as you see the actual contents before you flag it enables you to report back on any
      innocent non-Scieno ads which got caught in the net so they can be removed from the d/b. A good combo would be to flag any ‘blues’ as soon as they appear on the Daily Wip (Get ’em while they are fresh) as well as doing the Rapid Pierrot Flagging (But don’t worry if you don’t have time for a full Red-X Blast).

      • Marie Claire Wolf

        Thank you for the primer 😉

    • Baby

      OMG grogeous..thanks do

  • So from the one suit it appears instead of getting pre-authorization from his insurance they just had him apply for credit cards—“Plaintiff has been unable to make the payments on the credit cards NFC obtained for him. …” An usual trick for them to do. And this place is still in operation by state because??

    • This gimmick of obtaining credit cards in someone’s name that they never applied for, and possibly maxing them out before giving them to the person, seems completely fraudulent, and yet they seem to do it all the time.

      What gives?

      • In this case, apparently Joshua Currey signed credit card authorization forms, presumably authorizing Narconon to obtain them, but in others cases, it seemed like Narconon (and other Scientology organizations) just signed the person up for a fist full of cards.

        Even with authorization (possibly buried in the fine print), it’s pretty shady practice. If it doesn’t break credit card industry rules, then governments should probably regulate against it–assuming that it’s legal at all.

        “Borrowing” money in this way is hideously expensive, and the only reason Narconon and CoS do it is because they can do it on the sly without all the scrutiny that a proper bank loan would involve.

        • Extremely shady. It also needs to be taken into consideration that these individuals who are signing these papers are ill at the time, so a valid argument, in my opinion, could be made that anything they signed isn’t binding. You take someone who has addiction problems where they WANT to get help and then we know how $cienos will bull bait or make people sign things under duress or lots of manipulation—in this case, probably the line that that was just a backup while they got a pre-auth from the insurance—and the person, who desperately wants help, will sign just about anything. Then they learn they aren’t going to GET help. The help they had been mislead and manipulated into receiving. NarCONon is one be fraud that commits fraud as it’s standard operating procedure.

          The credit card companies should deny any applications coming from these centers.

  • Chee Chalker

    Wait a sec……there’s a Narconon in Illinois? Anyone know the name?
    Sounds like the insurance companies have wised up and won’t pay.

    • The suing company is in Illinois. The Narconons could be elsewhere.

      • Chee Chalker

        Its early and I have not had my tea, but I see where I misread that. Thanks Mycroft!

  • MissCandle

    Good Morning. Sci-Lying-Tology’s third straight Thursday ad in USA Today.

    • Jack99

      Who are they helping this time?

      • Dave.

        • Jack99

          Shoulda guessed.

        • Plus his 23,999,999 Body Thetans.

      • The last person Dave punched and knocked out.

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        You mean, for free? No one I can think of…

      • Themselves!

      • BosonStark

        This time they’re narrowing their focus to Teegeeack.

    • Observer

      “Who is giving aid to 24,000,000 people in times of need? Not us!”

      • Annabelle

        I would love to see what the church’s answer would be if someone asked them how they came up with that number of 24,000,000.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          You’d be hoping for the honest answer– “Pulled it out of the air”.

          Scientology answer, “We have our Volunteer Ministers in the Ukraine, Nigeria, Haiti, Jewish Supermarkets in France and the troubliest troublespots in Antartica handing out leaflets. Sixteen suicide bombings have been prevented. Four hundred and eighty two rifles have been handed in. Six jets have not been shot down that otherwise would have been. And all because of touch assists and way to happiness leaflets. Four hundred of our volunteers have been knighted by the Queen of England. Their yellow T-shirts have a room of their own in the Smithsonian”.

          By the way, if any OSA are reading this, go ahead, you can use it. But you have to upvote me first.

          • Reality can always go one better than satire. Dr Simon Campbell, the inventor of Viagra, really was recently Knighted by the Queen.

            At some point in the ceremony the Monarch pronounced the uniquely appropriate words, “Arise Sir Simon”.

            • eldritch cuckoo

              LOL!
              *carefully shoves the coffee cup further away*

    • Graham

      “The largest independent relief force on earth”. A blatant lie. I’m absolutely stunned that this is allowed.

      • Chee Chalker

        Well if you remember the Nightline interview, Niblet could not remember the word (so much for perfect recall) but Ted Koppel clarified that….per co$ member they are the largest force. (I think cob was looking for ‘per capita’ but could not figure it out).
        Which still doesn’t make sense, because either you’re the largest by number or not (the way it is written is different from the way niblet tried to weasal out of it). And ‘independent’??? Independent of what? How is Catholic Charities (for example) not ‘independent’? CC at least 47x larger than Co$ members……

        • Graham

          Perhaps it’s a typo? ‘largest’ should have read ‘most useless’.

          “The most useless independent relief force on earth” There, that’s fixed it.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          He who speaks wiyh forked tongue….

          • eldritch cuckoo

            You’re not biased against reptilians … or are you? :p

        • Anonymous

          Miscavige said Scientology was the largest charitable religous organization in the world…to which Koppel asked “Larger to than the Catholic Church?” …to which Miscavige replied…”Largest for its size.”

          WTF?

          Even back in the early 90’s when that interview occurred, Miscavige was so unaccustomed to having his lies challenged that he had nothing but more stupid in response to a simple follow-up question.

          Exchanges like that one pile on the evidence of the cult-like nature of Scientology…the stories only work inside the organization. When exposed to sunlight, the stories dry up into dust.

          • Betsy

            There’s a town in my state with a population of 30. It’s also the largest for its size.

            • 🙂 That almost sounds like Yogi Berra. 🙂

            • Betsy

              Hee! That gives me a little hint about YOUR age group!

          • Chee Chalker

            Yea, I thought Koppel kind of gave him a pass. But you could tell Koppel did not believe him

            • Anonymous

              For those that need a laugh and have a bit of time…here is the actual 1992 Ted Koppel interview of David Miscavige, broken down into 9 bite-size chunks.

              From the introduction by the original YouTube poster: “Actual reporting meets stupid and offensive drivel…”

              This interview merits review right now as Scientology is about to get yet another spanking (this time from HBO.) No doubt many of the provable lies spoken here by Scientology Sea Org Captain David Miscavige will (again) make him the subject of well-deserved mockery.

              https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD9DA3E8EFF516E82

            • Destructor of Worlds

              Cocaine is running around in his brain.

            • eldritch cuckoo

              Or “Dianeticine”… which has very similar effects. LOL.

            • Chee Chalker

              Cruise’s mannerisms are very much like his tiny hero’s.

      • Jack99

        Wikipédia: “The International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement is an international humanitarian movement with approximately 97 million volunteers, members and staff worldwide…”

        Sorry, not good enough!

        • Graham

          $camatology’s obviously aware of Oxford, given that they abuse its good name via their crappy Oxford Capacity Analysis. Strange therefore that they aren’t aware of Oxfam:

          http://www.oxfam.org.uk/what-we-do/countries-we-work-in

          • Jack99

            But do they have those nice, yellow shirts that look so good on photos?!

        • Graham

          $camatology gets a rough ride in France, so perhaps not surprising they’re not acknowledging this one: http://www.msf.org/

        • Oh those other groups are full of wogs, not Homo Novis like The Cherch!.

        • Aiede

          I was actually surprised to find out that the Co$ is in fact a member of Volunteer Organizations Active in Disaster (VOAD), which is the national coordination mechanism for all of the nonprofits involved in disaster relief work. (http://www.nvoad.org/voad-network/national-members/). As a Red Cross disaster volunteer, I’ve never seen a Co$ volunteer doing anything worthwhile in a disaster situation.

          What I’ve seen through media, etc. tends to be them using disaster situations to recruit and get their logo on TV. Even as an atheist, that offends me because there’s a lot of faith-based organizations that do really, really important work in disaster relief but don’t push their beliefs or point of view at all on vulnerable people. I’ve worked alongside Salvation Army disaster volunteers for years and haven’t gotten any more religious indoctrination from them than “God bless you” when I sneezed. Most of the clothes the Red Cross hands out in disasters come from the Salvation Army or St. Vincent de Paul and the food’s usually cooked by the Southern Baptists and handed off to the Red Cross to deliver. But unless you knew to ask, you wouldn’t know that because they’re looking to help, not looking for credit.

          Looking at the Co$’s list of disasters they’ve “responded to,” it’s the big and newsworthy ones where they show up. That’s crap. Here in Metro Detroit, the Red Cross responds to four or five house fires a day, and the Salvation Army is heavily involved in regional fire response as well. If they were really focused on doing good as opposed to marketing, they’d be doing local disaster response. If the “tech” actually worked, there’s hundreds of people a month we deal with in traumatic situations who could use help (and whom we do provide, when needed, with free disaster mental health services.)

          • Juicer77

            Thank you for volunteering. It is appreciated.

          • aquaclara

            This is so well said. And all those real volunteers, like you, who are engaged in real help, are not spending the day taking photos of themselves just to brag about their “work” and “effort”.
            Scientology lies.
            About everything.

            • Peggy Oconnor

              True Kindness and Goodness need not brag or publicly display themselves. The reward is the “inner” warmth and hugs, not pats on the back!

          • A Guest

            Then this piece, written by a former volunteer minister/scientologist, will not surprise you in the least. https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/rcs-4d-scampaigns-help-or-hype/ Warning: Be prepared for the rage this will elicit.

            Thanks you for your volunteer service!

            • Aiede

              Ugh. That’s saddening yet unsurprising.

              The first tenet of disaster relief is “don’t become a victim yourself” — in other words, don’t go someplace or do something unsafe that moves you from providing help to needing help. The corollary to that is that if you’re not helping, don’t take up limited resources by sitting around and not contributing.

              Now, one of the other tenets of disaster relief is that each individual affected by a disaster has their own individual needs and road to recovery. For some, that includes spiritual support. So I’m not trying to say that a chaplain or “volunteer minister” or other person fulfilling those needs isn’t valuable in a disaster, but you have to be filling a need rather than imposing your worldview on the people whom you’re there to help.

            • A Guest

              Amen.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Very well said, Aiede. I am so glad to know there are good people like yourself who are really helping, and are truly part of the humanitarian corps.

          • Jerseygram

            People like you are the REAL humanitarians, not those poor fools giving all their money to that awful cult.

          • Tory Christman

            FTR: When 9/11 happened, Bush came on TV shortly after to tell the world:

            “We will help ANYONE who needs help regarding Mental Health issues”.

            Guess whose Phone Number was RIGHT UNDER President Bush? 1-800-FOR TRUTH. I was on-line at the time and posted, “THAT IS THE DIANETIC HOT LINE”. A bunch of us called “Fox News” (Where Greta Van Susteran/ “OT 8 in $cientology and Journalist was working at FOX NEWS) and told them “This is a $cientology’s HOT LINE”. Within seconds they pulled it off the TV.

            The Gall!! I called the number as I wanted to hear how an organization 100% against “Mental Health” is now pitching to CALL THEM..especially in SUCH a serious time when people no doubt *really* did need help?.

            A young girl with a high pitched voice answered: “1-800-For Truth, can I help you?”
            I said: “Are you kidding me? HOW ARE YOU FOR MENTAL HEALTH?”

            Her answer tells it all: “Well, Dianetics: Modern Science of Mental Health”.
            OMG! Amazing….and true.

            Also, thanks, Tony O for sharing the photo I sent 🙂 I was outside of the Testing Center taking pictures. The staff immediately sent a tall man to try to block me. All I did was hold my camera up higher than he was and took the picture! Yeah…for Thursday right before 2:00 and ALL Of you: You crash their stats every week!!

            🙂
            Love and hugs to ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

            • Sid

              Great ‘scoop’ on the photo Tory.

            • Tory Christman

              Thanks, Sid…glad you like it. If you ever want more around LA…I’m here and happy to grab photos. ((OSA ops? OH YEAH!! Happy Thursday after 2:00…..and lower conditions for you all)) 🙂

            • Sid

              I may take you up on that sometime. Can you pop me an email at jubal2 at hushmail dot com?

            • Tory Christman

              Sure Sid, or you can call me, which is usually better: (818) 588-3044 🙂

            • Tory Christman

              Done…let me know if you got it. 🙂

            • Sid

              I did. Answer sent. Thanks.

            • Stephanie Loving

              Tory what is it with Van Susteran? I understand that religious affiliation is not apropos in news organizations but it still is so strange and weird that Van Susteran continues to comment on big stuff while her co-workers must think WTF about her affiliations. And the creepy possibility (probably reality) that she used her position to post a Scientology phone number is past wrong, lacking integrity and creepy. Why is this supposedly smart analytical woman a CO$ supporter? Boggles the mind. And upsets me every time I see her reporting on CNN. I know I know … that is prejudgment but knowing she’s a scientologist I find all of her reporting suspect now.

            • Prim

              Hugs and huge respect from me, Tory. I’ve been listening as a subscriber to your stories on your YouTube site for years. But you won my heart when you called Dave Miscavige a dickless fool on Allison Weiners program. I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Go get ’em. The Bunker has your back.

            • eldritch cuckoo

              “Truly, they act like an insane asylum gone wild.”

              I think they act like an asylum where the inmates took over!!!

              🙂

      • kemist

        “Relief force” here means that they, uh, “relieve” the organisations which are actually helping of the supplies they need to do their work.

        • I thought it meant others are “relieved” when the ministers leave.

          • Observer

            That too!

      • Jerseygram

        They are also the most ethical people on the planet, don’t forget.

      • Lady Squash

        I would question the word “independent”. Independent of what? Assholes! Can I say that?

        • Graham

          Independent of truth?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Something IS being done about it. In 3 days.

      • BosonStark

        After putting out all these stupid ads, I can’t help but think that after the film is shown at Sundance, there are going to be a lot of clams who will wish Hubbard took that offer from the Commies to work at Pavlov Labs.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          bwhahaha

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Yea, Hubbard should have tried his hand as an earlybird Volunteer Minister to the USSR and Pavlov’s labs, and instead have helped instead stave off Stalin’s mass murders, etc. rather than sell his fake religion in the USA.

      • Yeah, there going to be 10 million scientologists protesting at Sundance.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          That hadn’t occurred to me. I wonder if there will be any culties protesting the film. My bet is that the members will go into hiding and let their ads do the protesting.

          • There will be action.

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              It might be as interesting as the movie (and I expect the movie to be enormously interesting).

            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              Thanks, Dodo. Those Fear Factory guys have got to be at least OT 6 judging by the lighting effects alone. I hope they show up at the protest.

    • NOLAGirl
      • Richard Grant

        Good one.

        • NOLAGirl

          They need to word-clear “whore”. 🙂

          • i-Betty

            You’re completely fabulous 🙂

            • NOLAGirl

              As are you love. 🙂

      • Racnad

        It’s called “advertising” and it happens all over the media.

        • NOLAGirl

          I call it whoring out your paper for cash and letting anyone print any bullshit they want. And I suppose you’re right it happens in some form of almost every sales media, but this isn’t the latest George Foreman grill… It’s a lie.

          • It’s a lie, indeed.

          • anonymous

            With USA Today, its twice as dickless, because they have an unstated policy to never write a bad word about Scientology.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Wish some of the old Reader’s Digest editorial board transfered some editorial sense into USA Today.

          • eldritch cuckoo

            I’m generally a big hater of advertise, but in this case I hold no grudge for them … since the ad mainly works against Co$, and results in curiosity for the documentary, and Tony’s book, etc…
            It just was very much money that Co$ essentially drew away … I can cope with the newspaper people having it. All that makes Co$ throw away money on issues that don’t have to do with lawsuits or harassment, is good…
            Maybe even the people from the newspaper understand that much… that this would only result in advertisement for the cult’s adversaries… and in people informing themselves about Co$ using “random” online sources, e.g. mostly non-Co$ sources… but I don’t know that.

            • NOLAGirl

              That’s pretty much the affect of all their ads these days. I just hate that they get away with such outrageous lies.

            • eldritch cuckoo

              I resent that, too.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Makes Tony’s work all the more noteworthy.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Wasting all those added up man hours of the public readers turning the page when they could have been otherwise reading something of help to their lives.

        • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

          Sadly, it does happen all over. At a certain point though, it becomes false and illegal and there are government agencies there to call businesses on it and charge them with false advertising. Then there is the reality of limited government resources. I don’t expect the cult to be charged on this one, though they should be.

        • It’s called fraud and it happens all over organized crime syndicates.

      • anonymous

        I tried going online to complain when those started running. Oddly, the ‘write the editor’ function was broken.

        • LuvYu

          by design?

      • BFM

        Kickass tweet NOLAGirl :).
        It doesn’t matter that they won’t stop taking such ads for the cash immediately but calling them out for it consistently might just have it’s effect over time. Given enough public pressure, newspapers can change their ways. Your tweets will be among the pioneer one’s that can set the thing in motion — it’s a long term goal, but one worth pushing for.

      • richelieu jr

        @disqus_tt7iaa3tn6:disqus — I can’t see your post!

        • NOLAGirl

          Hmm? It should show up for you. If not, just click on the link. 🙂

          • richelieu jr

            Too strange! Still can’t see it (and I’m on my Mac now, not the iPad), and there’s no link to click– Just a space where the post should (apparently) be!

            • NOLAGirl

              That’s weird, oh well it was just a smart-ass tweet directed at USA today that says:

              “Seriously @USAToday? Letting Scientology lie their asses off in your paper? You know what they call it when you do anything for money right?”

              🙂

            • richelieu jr

              Good. Pithy. To the point!

    • BosonStark

      Good grief, now they’re [saying they’re] down to 200,000 Volunteer Ministers. A few months ago it was 300,000, then 700,000.

      So now the Volunteer Ministers are moving in on “families caught in the turmoil of divorce.” LOL, I mean what about hemorrhoid sufferers, what are they doing for them?

      • Jack99

        Yellow hemorrhoid ring pillows.

        • BosonStark

          BRIGHT yellow hemorrhoid ring pillows. Everyone looks for the bright yellow tent or shirt when they want to know whom to take orders from, as well as be brought into present time.

      • birkowashere

        touch assists

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Please! I just ate!

          • You should know better than to eat while reading the other bunker posts 🙂

        • A skeptic trying to exorcise an anoying VM:

          “The power Dawkins compels you!”

          • Destructor of Worlds

            BE GONE Evil Spirit Be Gone !

          • Peggy Oconnor

            I have such a headache!

          • Sid

            The Volunteer Minister is just trying to help. (F5)

          • GrandEclectus

            OMG! Your avatar! Martians Go Home…Fredric Brown…love the illustrator, but can’t remember his name…Cheers!

            • Ralph Mungo. From the Wiki on Alfred E Neuman:

              I(Al Feldstein) decided that I wanted to have this visual logo as the image of Mad, the same way that corporations had the Jolly Green Giant and the dog[2] barking at the gramophone for RCA. This kid was the perfect example of what I wanted. So I put an ad in the New York Times that said, “National magazine wants portrait artist for special project”. In walked this little old guy in his sixties named Norman Mingo, and he said, “What national magazine is this?” I said “Mad,” and he saidGoodbye.” I told him to wait, and I dragged out all these examples and postcards of this idiot kid, and I said, “I want a definitive portrait of this kid. I don’t want him to look like an idiot—I want him to be loveable and have an intelligence behind his eyes. But I want him to have this devil-may-care attitude, someone who can maintain a sense of humor while the world is collapsing around him.” I adapted and used that portrait, and that was the beginning.

        • Betsy

          SKREEM! Logging off!

          • A Guest

            Welcome back, Betsy. Sorry to read you’ve been ill and hospitalized this past year. It’s lovely to have you back. I’ve missed your sense of humor. (aka And I don’t rent cars!)

            • Betsy

              Hey! Thanks so much…I’m still trying to catch up on what I missed by going through old Bunkers (especially Jon Atack articles), watching Karen’s videos and listening to Jeffrey’s podcasts. I find I have to do a limited amount of this a day: too shocking and depressing otherwise…don’t want to send myself back to hospital!

            • Prim

              Please limit yourself. I find myself overwhelmed some days just reading this blog. It eats at me all day to check and see what horrors have been uncovered, then I’m sad and angry when I read them. Not a good thing. You must take care of yourself first – and bad vibes from this filthy cult cannot help.

              We need more humor, more shoops 🙂

            • Betsy

              Well, for starters, your “Simon’s Cat” avatar made me smile instantly! I think I’ll just mosey on over to Simon’s site and review some of those instant happiness-makers…thanks!

            • vicariousthrill

              True, yet the people here are all so lovely, it feels good–hopeful, really–to listen in, even with the bad news.

            • Tory Christman

              Betsy—I agree, you have to take care of yourself, first. Only you know where *your* limit is and need to honor that, first. I hope you’re doing fine.

              Prim…I love humor….but I’d hate to see the Bunker just turned into a bunch of yuk yuks with little facts. The FACTS and experiences are what help others SEE things as they are, or as they were when they were “in”. Combine that with humor and there’s a good balance, imnsho. 🙂

              It takes work to face experiences and actions such as this, and we need you as well as others. So with that, please make sure MOST of your time here is Not spent “Sad and angry”. If so—take a break. If not most of the time, add some humor and you’re good to go. There’s always “The Four Agreements”. If you have not read that book, to ALL—please do. It’s very, very relevant to anyone’s life. I love you ALL 🙂 I thank you ALL 🙂 TLC

            • Betsy

              Tory! Thanks for the kind words and good advice. You are absolutely right about the Bunker…and now that all those years you and others suffered in relative isolation, working hard, the results are starting to come in DAILY…what a thrill! As we discussed once (you said you had delved into these things back when we were both young, before the Civil War) I find meditation very helpful. And these days the news from the Bunker is CHEERING! If I find it that, you must find it much, much more so. By the way, I’m also catching up on your com-casts, and aside from you my favorite personage is Anony-moose…Be assured that as I review all I missed I am constantly reminded of what we owe to you and others who did this work when it was much more dangerous and less supported.

              I hope you are still taking your several-times-a-week stroll down past that theatre to the CO$ desk to scare the daylights out of all of them and make large people attempt to jump in front of your camera so that you won’t be able to get those damning photos of “a table” and “chairs” and “books.” That just makes me scream with laughter! Terrible Tory Terrifies the unknowing minions with her Horrifying Smile and her Petrifying Friendliness!

              I’m doing very well! Walking a long way, at least 5 miles, every day with the new (now old) hip and have lost 30 pounds as a result. Hope you are thriving and enjoying the news as well…

            • Tory Christman

              Fantastic….sooo happy to hear you’re doing much better, Betsy!! Yes, Mr Anonymoose IS a fav amongst many on my YouTube site (ToryMagoo44–for anyone who has not seen it). 🙂 I’m happy you’re catching up on my over 700 videos (jeesh! They should have just let me go, huh? I was honestly NOT going to speak out. Can you imagine? ONLY due to they picking on me, over and over, did I realize *I* had “Free speech” also, and *might* have something to say. LOL! Yes, I will keep on strolling by the various buildings …thanks. One of the funniest, recently, was my just walking up—before they’d opened. I was on the public sidewalk of Hollywood Blvd. A security guard wipped out his phone. I’d never even seen this kid before, so I said: “Tell me you are NOT calling OSA”.

              Then I heard him say: “I’ve got Tory Christman here”.

              I leaned into the phone: “Hey Morons: He does not have TC anywhere—I’m on a PUBLIC
              PROPERTY.

              Great work on walking 5 miles/day….I’m building up to that. Congratulations!!!

            • Stephanie Loving

              it’s hard when you have to be away from the Bunker. I too have had hospital — 2 weeks (my mate) and baby-sitting mom before assisted living. My mate just got home from tumor on spinal cord (he’s hanging in there). And with a crazy demanding job (10 hrs plus) … I still find myself thinking about reading OR reading the Bunker. Watching a major SCAM of historic proportions go down is not only riveting it’s addictive. Thank you brilliant Bunker commentators … what a brilliant, creative bunch of activists! Maybe the most creative ever. Cuz Blanche … you have to be creative to beat CO$

            • Betsy

              Oh, I am so sorry about the troubles your mate (and you) are having. I know, this is NEVER EVER even slightly easy…and helping your mom too. I hope you can find some peaceful space for yourself every day. But you are right! The Bunker is addictive…in a good way. I generally feel powerless about the world, but in this case I CAN participate in helping, even in small ways, to bring down a big nasty evil and its awful dictator. I’m sure you feel the same way! And I’m blown away by Tory, Karen, Jeffrey, and of course the MAN, Tony O, who deserves every bit of help we can give him. I also love the fact that when something technical comes up, legal or otherwise, there is always a Bunker regular who can step in and give good, detailed information to the rest of us. A great resource!
              Take care, my friend, and take care of yourself, as Tory says. Care-taking is harder than being the care-takee (if that is the word) in a lot of ways.

            • Stephanie Loving

              thank you for your kind words Betsy. Means a lot. Buddha’s last words to his followers when they asked him what they were going to do when he was gone: “Strive on … with diligence.” And that’s it! Reading all the intelligent folks here inspires and keeps hope alive and you know you can put one foot in front of the other. Thanks again.

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          …at a distance, maybe…

      • Pepsicat

        Families caught in the middle of divorce …which we caused from our toxic disconnection policies.

      • Lincolnbot

        The Red Cross has 500,000 volunteers.
        The Salvation Army has 190,000 volunteers.
        These are BY FAR, the two most visible organizations offering disaster aid.

        I bet they had to search high and far for a picture of a scientology volunteer minister rendering aid. It’s ludicrous to even put them on the same plane.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Why would one “rescuer” take the precaution of wearing a mask and gloves, but the other won’t be bothered?

      • EnthralledObserver

        The mask wearer was the sick one…

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Ba-da-bing!

      • OT’s need no masks, that’s why.

      • Graham

        You don’t get a mask if you’re out on loan from the RPF.

        • eldritch cuckoo

          Sad and funny at the same time. I get the joke … but I can well imagine it to be true. Just meat bodies, eh. :/

      • Some of the food they serve must be toxic (unless that’s a diaper on his face):

        • PickAnotherID

          Why do they look so clean, when everyone else is grubby? And who actually provided the food they are getting photo oped handing out??

      • Peter

        Because Tinymite Miscavige said so!

    • George Layton

      Shouldn’t that second to the last line read, “we help ourselves to yours”?

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        More like, “What’s yours is ours, and what’s ours is ours.”

      • eldritch cuckoo

        I don’t even understand the line. I mean, it doesn’t really make sense, on the level of grammar. Maybe many readers think: “huh…?”, when they read that gibberish… Co$ clearly is unable to produce anything but gibberish… too much experience with making up bullshit flyers and magazines for their members, but for “wogs”, that garbage doesn’t work so well…

    • chukicita

      Fixed it, to reference Scientology’s habit of changing the meaning of everyday words… such as purporting that they are “giving help” when they really mean “touch assist.”

      • LHS

        They also do locational assists. They tell you to look at things. I’m not sure exactly how that helps people though…

    • Those are probably RPF prisoners staging a photo shoot inside the Hole, possibly an after effect of COB’s Musical Chairs game..

    • Jack99

      I’m stealing this one from Patton Oswalt (at 5.35):

      We live in a turbulent world.
      -Fuck you!!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybHnPg7QLH4

      • I think he said Cynical world. Fuck You! is still funny and appropriate, imo.

    • Annabelle

      I’m just curious, are their letters to the editor in USA Today?

      • Robert Eckert

        I’m curious too. Does USA Today have an editor?

    • Truthiwant

      For an important advert in a big newspaper, the text is badly written.
      On the second column, a sentence starts “Who have the courage…” That is grammatically wrong. Then, just after, it says “Active in better than 120 nations…” The word “better” is not the correct word to use.
      Probably written by a person who’s first language is not English.

      • Pepsicat

        Or written by a high school drop out.

    • El Con Blubbard

      No worries about this ad. The reality is that people that read it will google Scientology if they are curious and then – thanks to all of you lovely SP’s – IT WILL BE ALL OVER!!

      They will find out it is an evil cult that destroys people that come into its trappings.

      The Internet and the Constitutional Right to “Speak Freely” – Killed Scientology.

      Stick a Fork in it – Scientology is DONE!

    • LHS

      “People struggling with problems on the job…”

      Oh, you mean like underpaid, overworked, abused Scientology staff members?

    • A mass audience will pay to listen to what Alex Gibney has to say about Scientology.

      Scientology has to pay to present what it has to say about Alex Gibney to a mass audience – which is unlikely to be listening.

      How much is this costing them (in money, and in credibility)?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      The eleventy billion people saved by Scientology VM’s clamor to see and hear COB!

      A new statue called “The David” is to be unveiled at Flag, Created by our friend Wieber at xenu.net,
      this statue will be better than any dumb ol’ HBO documentary that is full of lies, bitter defrocked apostates, etc.

      • Says “The David”: “Don’t ya’ll laugh at me just becuz i gots a small dick.”

        A Jock Seeing “The David” For the First Time: “Dude! I never saw your wee-wee before! My 4-year-old brother has way more meat than you do!”

        A Grandmother’s First Gaze on “The David”: “Poor boy! That little dickie has got to be the most pathetic little loser! It’s not even the size of a Bic lighter when fully aroused, I betcha!”

        Photo Caption: “Intensified Tude. #1 Solution for a Dickless Home. Tude’s In… Dick’s Out!”

  • Observer

    Wow … what is wrong with the State of Oklahoma? They flat-out say they wouldn’t necessarily suspend the license of a fraudulent, abusive death trap?!

    • They should all be fired and people who will actually do their jobs should be hired.

  • 3 Days

  • AmoVolare

    Nice one: looking for Narconon Italia just to see their claims here, I saw they are quire prudent (high success rate, but no numbers). But they put up a link to results of a ‘Studio Scientifico’ (scientific study) of which I’ve never heard of. So I clicked the link and.. guess what? Better see yourself.
    http://www.nuova-comunitadirecupero.it/std%20medico-scientifico%202013.pdf

    • Richard Grant

      You’re being harsh, Amo. I’ve heard that Page Not Found is a highly respected medical journal.

      • AmoVolare

        Yep. And the article titled: ‘Sorry, the page you are looking for does not exist’ is very frequently read not only by Scientists but by every web addict…. short, concise and definite!

    • narCONon South Europe is as noticeable for being an acknowledged ISA patron. Ooops.

    • NOLAGirl

      *sniff*

      Isn’t it beautiful. 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Question: How high do football player numbers go?

      • NOLAGirl

        99

        ETA: If these suits reach over 100 Tony will have to put two photos together. LOL 🙂

        • Bengals lost. But they did better then Cincinnati Ideal Org.

          • NOLAGirl

            Every losing team this year (including the one I cheer for) did better than any of the orgs. LOL The ticket prices prove it. 🙂

          • daytoncapri

            My favorite Bengals story: Mike Reid was a star player for the Bengals in the early 70s. He was also a highly accomplished concert pianist. At the beginning of one concert he realized that the bench was not close enough to the grand piano, so – rather than scoot the bench up – he grasped the piano and pulled it towards him. He said that was a major mistake that took the audience completely off-topic for the rest of the performance.

    • Observer

      Ryan Hamilton probably started out as a pesky gnat on Captain Miscavige’s radar, but now he’s an 800-pound gorilla–and other 800-pound gorillas are are starting to join in.

      Welcome to your future, Miscavige! The halcyon days of raking in the dough and beating your underlings in peace are over!

  • NOLAGirl

    Oh Hell YEAH!!!

    It’s like the caek truck backed up on my doorstep. Y’all know that everything about Co$ bothers me. Narconon bothers me the most, because that could have easily been me putting my mother into one of those places. So to have Hamilton working now in my state (with Pendley, Baudin and Coffin L.L.P Woot-Woot!!) and have another smack upside Per Wickstroms head in Michigan…..well, I feel like the bell of ball today.

    Sharks with Laser Beams unite!!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist
  • Sid

    If Oklahoma State files an anti-SLAPP motion then we’ll be pretty sure it’s a Scientology front group.

    • Richard Grant

      It might be. Isn’t Oklahoma where Senator Inhofe is from? My twitter feed was quaking last night from the exploding heads of science writers after this guy’s latest comments about global climate change.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Numbers: straight up and vertical… and it’s Thursday – nice work ‘wog’ lawyers! 🙂

  • Observer

    Who will be visiting us today, I wonder? Norbie, claiming Scientology always wins in court? Enders? Someone new, or at least a new sock?

    • kemist

      Yesterday’s boob, the one who does not understand what a medical device is.

      • EnthralledObserver

        What was yesterday’s guy called? I missed him/her and would love to scroll though and find the comments at some point. 🙂

        • Dolly Jones

          Grasshopper

          • EnthralledObserver

            Thank you! 🙂

            • Dr_Orpheus

              Grasshopper claims to be an independent Scientologist (and is probably telling the truth), but certainly has plenty of blind spots when it comes to Hubris. I wouldn’t call him or her a troll based on the posts I’ve seen.

              A more obvious troll claiming not to be a Scientologist posted yesterday using the name Ender Anon or Enders Anon.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, yes I see that… just been over to read. Thanks! 🙂

      • There was a boob yesterday? One or two?

        • Graham

          Grasshopper. An Indie, determined to defend the premise that the e-meter was never intended to be used for anything medical, despite cogent evidence presented by Observer in particular. I suspect he/she is one of those people who gets off on defending a hopeless position and would swear black is white just to show off their debating skills.

          • I know. Thank you. Just being silly. I am glad he showed up here. Debates are good.

            • Graham

              Ah, I see. Difficult at times to keep abreast of these things!

            • Draco

              Keeping abreast of the trolls who are boobs.

            • Eivol Ekdal

              The person reminded me of a certain ‘greasy’ indie.

            • daytoncapri

              Dodo – I replied to Stacy about her observation that Scientology facilities do not look like churches. Would you agree with me that the Cincinnati / Florence KY does indeed “look” like a church? I said so in my reply to her, and a little more.

            • Well yeah, because they bought a Baptist Church building.

          • Massdebating Skills more like.

            • Draco

              ‘scuse?

            • Just a lame joke about the fact that Grasshopper was debating all over the place last night. It was nothing 🙂

          • Dr_Orpheus

            Has Grasshopper said anything negative about Babycorn? That would prove he or she couldn’t possibly be a still-in. His Oiliness might order a minion to say mildly negative things about Hubris as part of a cover but never about his own ecclesiastical personage.

            • Missionary Kid

              No. He deflected all of that type of stuff.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              That is interesting. From my limited experience, independent Scientologists usually are quite eager to rant out about how Miscavige ruined Hubbard’s perfect tech.

            • Missionary Kid

              He played dumb and deflected questions. I believe that they are sock puppets.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              An OSA drone pretending to be an independent Scientologist is a new trick, but certainly not inconceivable.

            • Missionary Kid

              All their references sent people to Co$ sites, IIRC.

            • Guys. You guys talk so much that posts get lost easily. I ID’d myself the other day. Apparently you all never frequented Mark Rathbun’s blog, where I have been commenting for years, almost since inception. Also, I have my own blog which many of you clicked on the other day. I am not anonymous.

              Tony O called me out on R2-45 the other day on a Facebook page I frequent. Tony is astounded that I look at R2-45 as a joke. He is astounded that I “defend” the use in the ’60s as an intimidation tactic. I don’t defend it, but I understand it. And it is my opinion that its use to intimidate was not a death threat, but rather a “I wash my hands of you” message. I always ask when someone trots out R2-45, “where are the bodies? There are none. Despite this order coming from Ron, no one was shot. I believe this to be significant because, you know, Scientologists are supposed to be mindless idiots who MUST follow Hubbard’s orders, and yet here we have a case where a direct order by Hubbard – an order to kill, according to Tony O and you all – went completely unfollowed. Even though the order was placed in mags with distribution to all Scientologists. But it was a stupid order. I’m arguing degree here. The implication of R2-45 as you see it is that Hubbard and Scientologists actually did this. I am just asking for cases where this joke process was actually done, and no one can furnish one.

              I am assuming “Babycom” is Mr. David Miscavige. Your litmus test for me is did I say anything negative about Babycom. So – David Miscavige is a sociopath who got to the top of the church using the methods of a sociopath, exploiting weaknesses in the Scientology org structure and its lack of real oversight. Miscavige is a bastard, and his existence and what he did with the church, and the fact that a whole lot of people went along and let him do that, shows how seriously flawed Scientology is. Hubbard made huge mistakes. Hubbard did fraudulent things – which makes him a fraud. That said, I believe he was earnest, even if he used fraudulent means to forward it. I could be wrong. Hubbard set up an organization that failed in the one thing he said leaders must be able to do, which is to successfully pass the baton. So, Hubbard failed. Miscavige is a conniving bastard. He used his knowledge of the gaps inherent in Hubbard’s policies to get quickly to the stop and stay there, and his extreme sociopathic tendencies took him from there. So, let me be clear:

              Scientology has serious flaws, and is not a complete subject
              Hubbard was a fraud in the sense that he did fraudulent things.
              Miscavige is a sociopathic bastard who should be in jail

              Hope this helps.

            • Anonymous

              “I am just asking for cases where this joke process [Rs-45] was actually done, and no one can furnish one.”

              OK…Just one (for now.)

              OT VII Scientologist Rex Fowler.

              http://prosecutorialrant.blogspot.com/2011/03/rex-fowler-scientologist-run-amuck.html

            • That was a murder. It was tragic and egregious. It should never have happened. And it is not R2-45.

            • Anonymous

              The several references from Hubbard about R2-45 in the tech and policy of Scientology, plus appearances of that term in declare documents unarguably authored by Hubbard, capture a tone inside the cultural mindset of the religion.

              That tone diminishes the corporeal world while pretending to elevate the spiritual side of man.

              In truth, the writing of Hubbard and the practices of the church have always facilitated the exploitation of adherents for the personal benefit of top church leadership. That exploration includes the savage treatment of Sea Org and staff as well as the financial destruction of public members. It also includes the disposal without sorrow of those who have already been exploited to nothingness or who stand in the way of the exploitation of new victims by speaking the truth about Scientology.

              Metaphor, joke or direct instruction…R2-45 is a perfect symbol for the destructive nature of Scientology. That many well documented murders and suicides have occurred among Scientologists is ample evidence of the cultural mindset within the organization.

              Scientology sells exteriorization, but cannot deliver it, except via violence.

            • LHS

              What about Paulette Cooper’s cousin and the “flower delivery guy” with a gun? Possible R2-45 attempt or just an extremely nasty threat. Either way, very disturbing.

              http://www.paulettecooper.com/scandal1.htm

            • Anonymous

              Another good example.

              R2-45 was an implied threat, at best.

              Folks that spent any time around the old GO or the higher ranks of OSA know full well what those organizations were capable of doing / justifying.

              Happy horseshit here from some insouciant knave does not change actual history.

            • Dr_Orpheus

              My apologies. You are clearly not a member of the official church of Scientology. We’ve been getting so many trolls here lately claiming not to be Scientologist yet posting only things that COS would approve of that I guess I’m getting paranoid.

            • No apologies needed – I expect it, because it always comes up. I joked about the variant of Godwin’s Law the other day.

            • Destructor of Worlds

              Welcom back.

            • Destructor of Worlds

              No mistakes. Hubbard couldn’t help himself being himself. He degraded as a human being over time.

              And I do not mean old age or that stuff Scientologist see as something the Thetan does to itself.

          • Hubbard himself said that the e-meter was a dissemination weapon, to be deployed against children.

          • Qbird

            Also the very same person who believes honestly that ol’ dead gasbag Ron was just a-jokin’ about R2-45.
            70 idiots should know this now.
            That ol’ Hubris, he sure was one funny fucker alright.

            Grasshopper does sound like EO… seem to me if your 1st ‘win’ while being processed by LRH tech is a serious healing one, you’ll have Hubbard stuck in your mind forever – you’ll never be able enough to get him outta there. Holy Crap.

            There before the grace of God… go I.

            • daytoncapri

              I had a serious win, followed by getting seriously angry. But yes, you never forget your win. Yet, by the grace of God…don’t go I.

            • Qbird

              Hello there Daytoncapri, thanks for the reply. I myself have read many books in my lifetime & have had principals within those books affect me in profoundly positive ways – I’ve had ‘wins’ so to speak – because of the ideas presented. When I read about McMaster’s miraculous healing while doing scientology, or listen to Vinnay & Theo (or Ethics Officer & now Grasshopper) I always keep this in mind.

              I read ACIM & did the workbook for students over a 2 year period & wanted it all to be true. I got a lot of love in me, see, I value love, friendship, joy, beauty etc… all the good stuff. I had some entirely personal experiences that were epiphany-like for me – I cannot & do not deny this. These things are difficult to describe to others, so intense & personal they are. Seriously. However, when you share your deepest feelings, thoughts & ideas with other people, you leave yourself open to criticism. Gotta accept this; I do. One survives criticism.

              For a time I studied the Bible with the JW’s looking for confirmation that ACIM was true (oh noes! ACIM is a work of satan they said). Well all righty then. Now,
              because of this blog & its subject matter I have since visited many sites that are critical to both. I consider the evidence — eye witness accounts & actual DOX. The internet blows my mind. A gigantic library at my fingertips! I like looking at all sides. I’m not afraid & I do not have any other human being or group telling me what I can or cannot believe. I have never joined any group, not one… dunno why. Fiercely independent I suppose. I know what cognitive dissonance feels like tho, and I never knew what it meant until reading about it here in The Bunker, following links down strange rabbit holes, listening to others. I believe I am fairly sane and am able to empathize with most anyone. This learned from my mother, an agnostic biology teacher reared Catholic. She taught me to love learning from day one on. So it is. Always learnin’ somethin’.

              I would very much like to hear of your win because I know it was/is valuable to you… something happened, and you, like me, can never forget it. I’d also like to hear what got you so dang furious! Ha! Oh hey remember – only write your story on the wall if you feel like it.

              I’m glad you’re here Daytoncapri; I’ve seen you around quite a bit. Don’t know much about you personally, but no matter, you seem right fine to me. What I sincerely hope is that you can keep that ol’ Hubtard outta yer head man… if it is at all possible. Icky mind-fucker. I’ve only read/listened to an itty-bitty bit of that rotten-to-the-core Piece O’ Shite lyin’ cryin’ rat bastard’s {{{work}}}… and even so… he creeps in and stays for a spell. I don’t like it. *raspberry*

              Yay for us tho, bc we don’t have to go there. So Cheers & see ya ’round. Q

            • daytoncapri

              Gee. what can I say. I try to be humble, listen to others, learn something along the way. I see values in keeping one’s own mind AND in joining with others. I’m less wise and less intelligent than I prefer to think that I am. Nice to meet you, looking forward to useful exchanges.

            • daytoncapri

              I will add this. I think Ethics Officer was a nostaligic Ex, who started with a chip on his shoulder and then softened in response to a little kindness and respect.

              I take Grasshopper to be a different person, an Indie who was raised in Scino. He writes differently, and has a very quick wit, He made me laugh on more than one occasion.

              Although I haven’t agreed with either of them on some basics, I found myself liking each of them for different reasons.

              Am I right?

              You never know,…and I just might be a sock-puppet for an Irish female cross-dressing J-W from Cleveland.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Just the one Dodo – one big tit!

          • Eclipse-girl

            There were two.

            Grasshopper and Ender’s anon.
            Ender’s Anon did not play very long.

            Grasshopper was in complete denial that the e-meter and scientology itself was promoted as a way to cure disease.

            • Draco

              And was very determined to get his question answered. Good old TR3.

            • Observer

              Except he didn’t like our answers and resorted to pitying condescension about our references being out of context.

            • Scream Nevermore

              They always appear when I am asleep. Blackguards!

            • Draco

              They scared of you…nothing personal…it’s the face…

            • Scream Nevermore

              You should see the real one, I borrowed it (and the hair) from Medusa!

          • Juicer77

            (Hey, don’t call Dodo a tit – put that comma in there before his name 🙂

            • Nah, it’s cool.

            • Scream Nevermore

              But if I do that, your comment will look a bit odd!

            • Draco

              Heh!

        • L. C. Spencer

          There are always two…

      • Missionary Kid

        The misunderstanding was intentional. Sock puppet.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      You mean the Bunker’s had regular visits from OSA socks lately? I’m not here every day, and usually can’t read through all the comments, so I often miss out on a lot of the drama.

      Which might be a good thing… dealing with self-lobotomized trolls must be tiring sometimes.

      • Observer

        Not necessarily OSA. Maybe public volunteers, or people doing amends.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Ethics Officer, back from cleaning latrines with a toothbrush, on the RPF’s RPF, may return …

          • Stacy

            It’s been months and months. I actually enjoyed some of the interactions I had with him. He at engaged in (somewhat) reasonable debate.

            I haven’t been around long enough to remember the really avid fire-breathers and ranting zealots I hear the Bunker used draw. I think I’m glad about that. I’ve been having a hard enough time just stomaching the Indie who’s been here the past few days.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Just wait, then, until one of the blue meanie trolls arrives. The Bunker really riles up!

            • L. C. Spencer

              Worse than the fire-breathers used to be the smarmy pseudo-indie apologists who clogged up the daily threads with long self-serving sermons offering their own unique ‘philosophy’ and placid condescension toward anyone who didn’t fully appreciate their advanced wisdom. Vinay was the king of these, but he wasn’t the only one. If there’s one thing the world needs less than another Scientologist, it’s another self-important ex-member who thinks he’s the one who’s REALLY got things all figured out now.

              They were nastily effective derailers, and the only effective way to fight them was to ignore them (which not enough people did) or try to get them monologging at each other (not so easy) so that the rest of us could get on with Bunker business. Bleagh.

            • Draco

              “If there’s one thing the world needs less than another Scientologist, it’s another self-important ex-member who thinks he’s the one who’s REALLY got things all figured out now.”
              When I left scn, I fell into that trap of trying to figure out what’s REALLY going on. It’s part of the indoctrination, I think, where you still feel like life is a trap and if you can’t figure it out, you’re DONE. Luckily it only lasted for a couple of weeks 🙂
              Some people get stuck right there.
              I am happy to just live and learn as I go along. I believe that’s important, but I don’t try and beat others into my way of thinking. Each person’s journey is different and that’s what makes life fun. I never again want to belong to a group where everyone believes the same thing. And I especially don’t want to be part of a group where everyone “knows”!

            • Couch_Incident

              What always annoyed me about the “smarmy pseudo-indie apologists” were the pseudo-scientific justifications they used and reliance on non-scientists writing about things they really didn’t understand. “Quantum mechanics” was always a favorite of this crowd.

        • Sid

          OSA uses hardcore public for this stuff a lot. Not necessarily for amends but for the commendations to make it easier to get through the wall of regs and sec checks on the next level. Sometimes they just do it because it makes them feel important.

          • Richard Grant

            Does someone at OSA follow up by checking the discussion board to see how well the operative is performing?

            • Sid

              I don’t know about OSA but the GO field person would have a handler who would monitor very closely.

          • Draco

            It’s always a delicate path to tread. If you set a public loose on a blog like this, chances are he would read a lot of stuff the church wouldn’t want him to read. I wonder if they get sec-checked regularly to make sure they aren’t wavering… like Tory Christman.

        • And I’m Cute, Too

          Ah, I see. I’m always learning new things here. That’s why I love this place.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Grasshopper staunchly denied being OSA, so I am willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt. TOTAL blind spot where it comes to LRH and the sacred Tech, however. Retreats into the “its all relative” and “what is true for you” defenses.

        • cathy from encino

          Well did anyone ask if he was OSA? If we ask he HAS to tell us! It’s like cops on a drug sting, right?

    • Narapoid

      Bring it on down-stat PTS minions! We can use a little spice.

    • Probably Asshopper from yesterday.

    • Richard Grant

      I kinda feel sorry for that person from a few days ago, the one who claimed to be doing a research paper for school and posted a little questionnaire. He/she seemed unprepared for the assignment, especially for the possibility that people on the forum would actually engage in conversation and would have thought-provoking things to say. I’m inclined to think this was some young Scientologist with reasonable English language skills who was given a quick briefing and then thrown into the Bunker. Probably got in big trouble for not causing enough enturbulation or saying “thank you” to Missionary Kid, or something.

      • Sid

        I don’t know if OSA uses that strategy but I remember it being used back in the GO days. Pretend to be a student and get them talking and gently push your agenda.

        • Richard Grant

          That’s interesting, Sid. It seems like an intelligent strategy but also it seems like it would require a delicate sense of how hard to push. And also an pretty good understanding of the target. This poster seems to have been told that people who oppose Scientology fall into exactly four categories — “professional anti-Scientologists,” “amateur anti-Scientologists” etc — and, taking this to be completely true, like everything else in the COS, plunged into the Bunker expecting to meet these four types in person. But I could be wrong; I could never quite get a fix on where he/she was coming from.

          • Sid

            I’m not sure if that was the case in this instance. I was just mentioning that it was a strategy that was used. Sometimes it was just making sure to get a certain question asked to try to get the other party to think along different lines. I saw it done but never to any effect.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m now of the opinion he was a sock puppet. I vacillated back and forth, but looking at all the posts, it becomes clear that they didn’t want to learn anything.

        • L. C. Spencer

          I missed this completely somehow. Was it a username we’ve seen before?

          • Missionary Kid

            No.

  • outraged

    He Is Going Down IN the Twenty Teens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • birkowashere

    Some more propaganda that does not prominently state it is an advertisement. Maybe just a stupid reporter or an indoctrinated one.

    What is Scientology and what do Scientologists believe?

    http://www.eastgrinsteadcourier.co.uk/Scientology-Scientologists-believe/story-25901096-detail/story.html

    • Phil McKraken

      I get Courier site, but the page for this article doesn’t exist anymore, apparently. Article still comes up on search results on site.

      • And I’m Cute, Too

        Same here.

        • L. C. Spencer

          If you’ll return to the thread, I copypasted the article into a reply to Phil McKraken just above this comment.

          • And I’m Cute, Too

            Thank you, Spencer. I just noticed that Tony included the link in his article, too.

            Mind you, I stopped reading the piece of propagandist trash after it talked about children being given “the same respect as adults”. Which, as we all know, is none. I realized the rest would probably make me vomit.

            • L. C. Spencer

              It was mostly propaganda, but it was seeded with truth bombs. I actually think the author was pressured by higher-ups into writing it, and resorted to making it look polite on the surface while making sure anybody who actually read it was exposed to some VERY high-level entheta.

      • L. C. Spencer

        I can see it. I’ll try some copypaste tech.

        • Phil McKraken

          Thank you for posting that. Now, what can you do about showing us the comments? 😉

      • L. C. Spencer

        What is Scientology and what do Scientologists believe?

        By East Grinstead Courier | Posted: January 22, 2015

        [dramatic night photo of Saint Hill]

        WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?: We take a closer look at the beliefs of the relatively new religion, which has its base at Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead

        What is Scientology?

        Scientology is a religious system based on the seeking of self-knowledge and spiritual fulfilment through graded courses of study and training. It was founded by American science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard (1911–86) in 1955.

        The ultimate goal of Scientology is “true spiritual enlightenment and freedom”.

        What do Scientologists believe?

        Scientology begins with the concept that man is “basically good, and that his spiritual salvation depends upon himself, his fellows and his attainment of brotherhood with the universe”.

        They believe that humans are immortal spiritual beings, known as Thetans, and that our experiences extend well beyond a single lifetime.

        Scientologists believe they can alleviate injury, trauma or discomfort by “putting the spirit in communication with the body” and using treatments which include detoxification using vitamins, saunas and exercise.

        They claim to be able to cure drug addiction and rehabilitate criminals and have set up rehab clinics in dozens of countries.

        Scientologists believe that life is separated into eight “dynamics”, the first of which is experienced by babies. The First Dynamic is described as an “urge towards existence” and the Eighth Dynamic is an “urge toward infinity”.

        This is also identified as the Supreme Being. This is called the Eighth Dynamic because the symbol of infinity, ∞, stood upright makes the numeral 8. This can be called the Infinity or God Dynamic.

        They believe that only when the Seventh Dynamic (spiritual) is reached in its entirety will someone discover and come to a full understanding of the Eighth Dynamic (infinity) and their relationship to the Supreme Being (God)

        They believe in reincarnation but that people cannot move on to the next life until they have dealt with any “aberrations” from past lives.

        Scientologists believe children are spiritual beings occupying young bodies, and should be given the same respect as adults.

        [embedded video of complete Panorama Secrets of Scientology]

        Do Scientologists believe in aliens?

        The Church of Scientology totally rejects claims that, as has previously been suggested by some, its worshipers believe in an alien known as Xenu brought billions of people to Earth 75 million years ago before killing them. The church has branded this suggestion “absurd”.

        The origins of theta and the creation of the physical universe set forth in Scientology are described inThe Factors, written by L. Ron Hubbard in 1953.

        [embedded video of complete Tom Cruise IAS crazy interview monologue]

        How is Scientology funded?

        Scientology relies on donations from its members but it also receives the royalties from sale of books by its creator L. Ron Hubbard, who willed those royalties and the bulk of his estate when he died on January 24, His total book sales of both fiction and nonfiction are in excess of 250 million copies.

        Scientology is open to anyone who seeks spiritual betterment.

        The materials that comprise the Scientology religion are readily available at Churches of Scientology and public libraries throughout the world. Churches and missions are always open to the public and anyone can come in for a tour and personally see what the Church is all about.

        [embedded video of Forrest Ackerman interview recently posted by Tony]

        What is Dianetics?

        L. Ron Hubbard claimed to have discovered the single source of nightmares, unreasonable fears, upsets, insecurities and psychosomatic illness—the reactive mind. In his book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health he described the reactive mind in detail and laid out a simple, practical, easily taught technology to overcome it and reach the state of “Clear”. Dianetics is that technology.

        The word Dianetics is derived from the Greek dia, meaning “through,” and nous, “mind or soul.” Dianetics is further defined as “what the soul is doing to the body.” When the mind adversely affects the body, it is described as a psychosomatic condition. Psycho refers to “mind or soul” and somatic refers to “body.” Thus, psychosomatic illnesses are physical illnesses caused by the soul, according to the church.

        Does Scientology have its own symbol?

        Yes. It is a double triangle interwoven with the letter “S”.

        The “S” stands for Scientology. The lower triangle is called the A-R-C Triangle (pronounced by the letters A, R, C); A for Affinity, R for Reality and C for Communication. The first corner of the triangle is affinity, which is the degree of liking or affection for someone or something. Reality is the second corner and is, fundamentally, agreement. The third corner is communication, defined as the interchange of ideas between two people.

        The upper triangle is the K-R-C Triangle (pronounced by the letters K, R, C); K for Knowledge, R for Responsibility and C for Control. Like the points of the A-R-C Triangle, these three elements are interrelated. When one corner of the KRC Triangle is raised, the other two also rise.

        Who can become a Scientologist?

        The church states that anyone can join who is interested in “spiritual betterment”. Churches and missions are always open to the public, according to the church, so anyone can enter to find out more.

        To find out more about Scientology click here [link to official scn site]

        Scientology has been criticised here and abroad. Click here to read BBC journalist John Sweeney reflecting on his experiences reporting on Scientology. [link to BBC John Sweeney Panorama article]

        • Phil McKraken

          Will a reporter please, just once, follow up the lies in the answer to the Xenu question with the OT3 materials written in Hubbard’s own scrawl and gibbered in his own voice? Both are freely available on the Interwebs.

          • Draco

            I know! Why don’t they whip out a recording of it and say “Listen! This is what Hubbard says” . Show them the hand written stuff. I don’t get it either.

    • Graham

      What a bizarre piece. The words are pure Scieno propaganda, with a link to their official web-site at the end, yet it’s interspersed with major anti-Scientology videos (eg the complete Sweeney BBC Panorama programme). The comments are shaping up well.

      • Stacy

        I agree. It’s like the reporter was lazy. “I’ll just print what scientology told me, but since I know it’s a bunch of hooey, I’ll intersperse the fluff with videos that demonstrate everything they told me is a lie.” Very strange.

        • Draco

          I think the reporter handled it quite well. The church can’t complain that he didn’t print “their side of the story”. He did exactly that and then added the “other side of the story” without comment. Nice little booby trap for people to click on the links in the videos in a seemingly innocent article. Hope some still ins take the bait.

          • L. C. Spencer

            after re-reading it, I agree and think this was a nice case of skillfully outwitting the demanding Scilons. Even his text isn’t completely copied, but is couched in “claims”:

            “Scientologists believe they can alleviate injury, trauma or discomfort by “putting the spirit in communication with the body” and using treatments which include detoxification using vitamins, saunas and exercise.

            They claim to be able to cure drug addiction and rehabilitate criminals and have set up rehab clinics in dozens of countries. …”

            That’s pretty slick. First he simply states in stark terms that “they claim they can do all these things,” and just lets that sit there and weaken their credibility. Then he goes in for the kill:

            “The Church of Scientology totally rejects claims that, as has previously been suggested by some, its worshipers believe in an alien known as Xenu brought billions of people to Earth 75 million years ago before killing them. The church has branded this suggestion “absurd”.

            This was in reply to a “Do they believe in aliens” FAQ question and he could have just stated, “No, they do not believe in aliens.” Instead he put the central OTIII statement right there in a sentence at the culmination of a seemingly positive article, couching it in “they completely deny this” terms. They can’t even complain about his including it. It’s a brilliant touch and any reader who hasn’t already heard of Xenu will google him and go down the rabbit hole.

            • Draco

              Exactly! 🙂

          • Stacy

            That would be great.

    • Ella Raitch

      Welcome Birkowashere!

      • Stacy

        I love your tie Ella 🙂

        • Ella Raitch

          I could save it just for Hambo days, and be a Kool person in between 😉

          • Stacy

            Wear it everyday, you’ll still be Kool 😉

    • It’s a strange article. The text is a whitewash (Scientology supported by Hubbard’s royalties, narf!), and yet it has good videos like BBC Panorama, the leaked Tom Cruise Crazy video, Forrest J. Ackerman..

      • Draco

        It’s actually quite good – I got the idea that the article was stuff scientology wants you to believe, but the vids are there to balance the story.
        I reckon quite a few “still ins” will click on those videos because the article looks so tame. Some are in for a surprise. I think it is typical English understatement. No sensational headlines regarding what the videos contain – just innocently stuck in here and there 🙂

        • Observer

          I was just wondering if maybe the person who wrote it was told to soft pedal the story, but got the truth in with the videos.

          • Draco

            That’s possible too. The English have a wicked sense of humour.

          • noseinabk

            It is directly copied from the COS web site. Googled a few phrases and it is word for word. A smart ass trying to get scions to click on the entheta?

        • Richard Grant

          That’s a cool thought, Draco.

          • Draco

            Thank you, Richard.

        • aquaclara

          ^^^^^ and echoing what Richard said.

      • giggler

        Spare a thought the good people of East Grinstead having to put up with that lot!

    • Draco

      Thanks birkowashere, and welcome 🙂

    • Juicer77

      (Welcome!)

  • Sid

    More lawsuits. Coffee. Deep breath. Enjoy. (F5)

    • Destructor of Worlds

      This !

  • i-Betty

    “Instead, he received only Scientology indoctrination and dangerous Scientology rituals.”

    Heh, makes it sound like what it is: voodoo.

    • Richard Grant

      Ha, you’re so right! And I mean, this is happening in Louisiana, so maybe this is exactly the button the attorney is trying to push.

      • NOLAGirl

        Ding! Ding! Ding!

        We have two winners. 🙂 Mr. Pendley knows exactly what he’s doing.

    • MaxSpaceman

      That reminds me of a con.
      What con?
      The con with the power.
      What power?
      The power of who do.
      Who do?
      He do.
      Do what?
      Reminds me of a con.

      • Missionary Kid

        Great take-off from The Batchelor and the Bobby-Soxer .

        LRH: It’s all a con.

  • Richard Grant

    In case it’s slow in here today, there was an interesting comment thread featuring Dani Lemberger from the Dror Center on Mike’s site a few days ago — Martin Luther King Day, to be exact. It provides a current snapshot of the thinking in at least one influential quarter of Indie Scientology.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/legal-or-moral-and-right/#comments

    To summarize, Dani opens with a comment praising King, quoting “Ron,” and condemning Miscavige — standard Indie fare. And then Alanzo, bless him, tosses the big question right out there:

    “Are Scientologists at the Dror Centre allowed to stand up for their own integrity and criticize L Ron Hubbard and Scientology?”

    Dani replies: “When you come here for auditing you have my special permission to throw darts at Ron’s picture. You may also swear and spit at it. Scientology is NOT about Ron Hubbard.Forces of gravity have nothing to do with Isaac Newton, relativity does not belong to Einstein. Who remembers who invented the wheel?
    Scientology has workability as proven in many places daily.”

    And it goes on from there, with other commenters getting involved, including Brian who sort of got under Mike’s skin a little while ago for aggressive Hubbard-bashing.

    • Observer

      Somewhere on Target Two, the Thetan known as L. Ron Hubbard is throwing a furious tantrum.

      • Sid

        He never made it there. He got lost somewhere out past the Van Allen Belt.

        • Stacy

          Lol, since his radiation protection schtick was nothing but crap, I doubt his Thetan even made it through the Van Allen Belt.

          • NOLAGirl

            He’s floating around in a crap nebula somewhere. 🙂

          • Sid

            He’s currently making up stories of his daring-do out on Target 2, so that once he gets himself unstuck from the Van Allen Belt and comes back to earth he can pretend he was a big guh-lack-tick-hero.

            • Stacy

              He can pretend all he wants. The real Tick will take care of him.

        • Draco

          I heard he got hit by a train on Venus.

          • Sid
          • He dodged it.

            • Sid

              Yes, he “missed it by that much”.

            • Draco

              Aw Man!

            • LHS

              He’s allergic to freight locomotives, they’re always running into him. :/

        • Observer

          Oh, that’s right. I forgot he’s doing his own personal cause resurgence rundown.

          refresh

        • Dr_Orpheus

          A future release of OTVIIIisgrrr8 will probably reveal that Hubbard traveled in time back to 1960 and was reborn in the body of one David Miscavige. To avoid confusion Hubbard will continue to use the name of his current meat body and correct all Scientology publications, so that any references to “L Ron Hubbard” will say “David Miscavige.”

          • Sid

            This will be announced by Miscavige at the next event. All 12 people attending will believe every word.

    • Phil McKraken

      That response from Lemberger is an interesting one, about how Scientology isn’t about Hubbard the same way that gravity isn’t about Newton, etc. Because, that’s actually not correct. Scientology is all about Hubbard. None of the “tech” results have ever been independently observed or verified. Don’t get me wrong — I’m glad for Dani’s customers that they are not required to worship LRH, and they might even get some decent help from Dani and his wife in their counseling sessions. But, let’s be clear, when they use the e-meter and Hubbard-designated rituals, they are very much wrapped up in Hubbardism.

      • Richard Grant

        I completely agree. In fact I’d say one of the biggest things I’ve learned at the Bunker in the past few months has been how deeply L. Ron Hubbard’s personality — with all its twists and pathologies and and paranoia and cruelty — is embedded in every single aspect of the Church and its behavior.

        • BFM

          This is something indies have yet to realize, if ever.

          Another point is that the Lemgerger’s are also running a business just as CO$ is, and they are not in the position to discredit the merchandise on their shelf’s. They can only claim theirs is better than the ones on the shelf’s of their competition.

    • Chee Chalker

      Cheers to Dani! I saw his original post and was tempted to ask a Hubtard question, but did not want to push it. A few days ago ‘Sylvia’ posted (on Mike’s blog) about how DM was destined to live his final days in exile, like Hitler and Capone. I responded (directly to Sylvia, not as a general comment) that LRH had died in similar circumstances in hiding and (some say) insane. Maybe I forgot to hit ‘submit’ but my comment was not posted. Idk, maybe mike Mike thought it was too personal since I addressed to Sylvia directly (she is a HUGE LRH worshipper and seems to be quite sensitive to the truth).
      Obviously, its Mike’s blog, he can post what he wants, but I thought it was odd to sensor that.
      Again, maybe I forgot to hit submit…….who knows.
      But it is a bit.mind blowing that Sylvia can’t even make that connection. She probably believes the whole Target 2 thing, which actually works for me as I am angling a play to present my red headed nephew as LRH returned.
      So, I’ve got that……..which is nice………

      • Richard Grant

        Ha, Chee!

        My guess is that your post got eaten by the WordPress comment engine. That’s happened to me a couple of times. Mike’s usual practice seems to be to let the comment through — sometimes, rarely, snipping out what he considers to be out-of-bounds — but then to follow up with his own remarks to the poster about what he considers appropriate on the blog.

        • Chee Chalker

          Richard, you are.probably right. I have always been impressed with Mike because he posted anti LRH postings, even if he did not agree with them. I know it took Marty longer to get to that point. Marty routinely used to censor the anti-LRH stuff. I am so happy he has ‘evolved’ and has (truly) started to think for himself.

    • Shelly Britt Corrias

      Hey Richard, thank you. The Bunker is the only blog I check regularly (besides interesting links I see here and elsewhere), so I missed it. There is a definite shift in views happening over time which is great to see.

      The transition of out —> indie —> ex —> activist is fascinating. For Scientologists, it is the real Bridge to Freedom.

      Tony, The Bunker, its forefathers and all contributors are key bridge builders.

    • It’s amazing that there are still dimwits that believe this fraud some how works. Amazing.

    • daytoncapri

      Alanzo. Clever, compassionate.

  • Stacy

    Interesting to see that the success rate claimed by Narconon representatives is going down. Now it’s only in the 70s. Is DM telling his Narconon people to stop promising the moon and only promise the sky it hangs in?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Seen the 76% success rate claim for NarCONon tx across decades. Seems to be the standard claim.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I don’t think so, as those cases were actually from 2011 and 2012… more recent incidents (even though the lawsuits were brought earlier) have the higher success rates advertised. I think it might be more likely the different places saying different things.

  • PickAnotherID

    I’m still waiting for the “1-800-SUE-NARCONON” ads to start showing up on TV.

    • Sid

      I don’t think that’s too far fetched. And not too far off.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Hambo could do it, he really could!

  • 1subgenius
  • Jimmy3

    Eddie George caught 47 passes in 1999, which was an expansion year in the NFL. Coincidence? I think so.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Ya’ll should have fun with Grasshopper today regarding this post 😉

    • Sherbet

      Noooo! Make him stop! He’s boring me to death.

      • BFM

        Me too, hardly worthwhile responding to that nasty piece of work.

  • Tony Ortega

    Shrek Night added to the post!

    • NOLAGirl

      It’s all so ecclesiastical.

    • Chee Chalker

      I’m not a believer……..(Shrek song for those not forced to watch these movies)

    • As if the original Shrek was not nasty enough.

    • Ella Raitch

      Glad four people could be bothered to dress up. Maybe the others postulated outfits. Maybe the fancy dress is true for them. Stop me – I’m cracking myself up….

      • stillgrace2

        I am still trying to figure out who the guy with the long blond wig in the second photo is supposed to be in the Shrek world. Maybe the guy just likes to wear the wig and the falsies. I wonder if he’s OTVII or OTVIII?

        • Ella Raitch

          Cracking up…! Maybe it’s not a costume – just his formal attire. Dildo Dave could go as Lord Fark-wad

          • Sherbet

            Black hat guy is dressed as, who? Stalin?

        • Jimmy3

          A really bad Rapunzel, maybe?

    • Just Dee

      Tamas Nagy looks morbidly obese like Mike Ellis. I bet if he went to a real doctor he would have either diabetes, a heart condition, or both. I don’t see how this is even possible, being surrounded by all the OT7s & 8s? It’s really starting to look like there is a top level SP who is running scientology. From my unexperience, limited understanding of scientology, it has to be that and/or the tech just doesn’t work. If it did, how could this even be possible?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: we have the answer, we just don’t have a clue what the question is.

    El Wretch wanted to return as his daughter Diana’s child, per the Underground Bunker of Jan. 20th.
    This was so convoluted and twisted. it bothered me for a coupla days – usually I am fast on stuff like this – I just couldn’t pin down what it reminded me of. Finally got it.

    Bill Wyman, 52, married Mandy Smith, 18, on June 2nd, 1989.
    The Rolling Stones bass player had sex with her for the first time when she was 13. He was a mere 47. A pervert and a paedophile, nasty but common, or should that be common and nasty?

    But now it gets $cientological.
    Here’s the Hubbardian twist.

    Wyman’s eldest son, Stephen, announced his engagement to Mandy Smith-Wyman’s appropriately named mother, Patsy, in 1993.
    They married.
    Was Bill Wyman Patsy’s son-in-law since married to her daughter AND her father-in-law since she was married to his son, at the same time?
    Was Mandy Stephen’s step-mother and step-daughter simultaneously?

    Only Hubbard could out-sleaze this, only Hubbard.

  • Tony Ortega

    Hollywood Life Improvement Center photo added to the post

    • Ella Raitch

      They don’t do much to quash the ‘Scientologists worship aliens’ rumours by building a mother ship in the middle of their reception area.

  • Juicer77

    I am shaking with anger… obtaining credit cards for patients in tremendous pain and then charging huge amounts, and if that’s not bad enough, withholding necessary antidepressant meds from another patient? What are they trying to do, make her kill herself so they can take the money free and clear? SHUT THEM DOWN.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      That’s how they roll.

      • Silence of the Clams

        Are they frisking them or just checking for loose change?

        • Let’s ask the Scientology computer! Answer: .. YES!

      • BFM

        Hahahaha, this cracked me up, LMAO 😉

  • Chee Chalker

    Is the second Shrek photo, is that Hubs and Mary Sue?

  • Sid

    Pretty cheesy Shrek costumes. (F5)

    • Ella Raitch

      I cancel my statement below about there being only four people in costume. I didn’t get the subtlety.

  • Richard Grant

    That is a creepy-looking photo of the Hollywood Test Center. Weird symbols, sci-fi TV-set ambience, people standing around in uniform. (Is there anyone in there who is not a staffer?)

    I cannot imagine who is supposed to find this appealing or intriguing or even safe.

    • Observer

      Predators waiting for unwary prey.

      • Qbird

        camouflaged predators – sneaky bastards.

        • aquaclara

          Brilliant. And I think I even see that sneaky two-toned tie underneath.

        • Sherbet

          Hey, Qbird. Welcome back to the coop.

          • Qbird

            Hiya Sherb – real quick cuz my battery-life is for shit. I download all comments I can & then if I don’t shut off my ‘puter i can read those comments that I catch at that moment — a lot but not all. So I fly in & out the coop real fast, can’t comment in real time… BUT!!! I’m here, I’m listening, I’m staying as caught up as I am able, given my circumstance. Love & Respect to you and the whole of the bunker! later, Q

        • BFM

          Hey Qbird, welcome back. Missed your beautiful pictures.

          • Qbird

            Hello there BFM. Tks for that bc I worry that posting pretty photo’s is too silly sometimes for this blog. Listen: I know we don’t know each other from Adam & all that, but, I should like for you please consider keeping me (& by default The Bunker) posted regards your friend who’s SO with a daughter… the one who’s seriously questioning this SCN. INC. SH*T… and wants OUT. As always, just to let you know, I’m interested & hopeful.

            • BFM

              Well, I like the beautiful bird pictures. They provide some visual beauty in otherwise often ugly things we discuss about the Co$. Your pics kind of lightens up my mood.
              We know each other very well on 1 topic. We both think Co$ is a cult that should be taken down and their abuses stopped, in that we are united and that forges a bond. We might be otherwise strangers, but in discussing, commenting, even the J&D-ing about matter of the Co$ makes us a little more than complete strangers.
              I will keep you and the bunker posted (as far as that is feasible from that friends side…, I thank you for your support.
              Keep posting them bird pics;) xo

        • beauty for ashes

          Yeah Qbird ! Lab of Ornithology channel on Youtube. This bird of paradise looks like it was hand painted like an Easter egg. (less than a minute long) thought you’d enjoy!

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvIuUABZkiI

          • Qbird

            Awww man, how unbelievable it that Beauty?!!! Wonderful. Thanks for this.

            • beauty for ashes

              Oh yeah! You’re so welcome Qbird. And if you ever need a good laugh watch the birds of paradise’s different mating dances. 🙂

    • NOLAGirl

      It is so bizarre to see because it’s the only “church” I’ve seen a photo of, or been into, that doesn’t give off one single warm feeling.

      • Richard Grant

        Yeah, I hear that. I find some churches a little scary — fundamentalist Baptist churches with the aesthetic appeal of parking garages, for example — but even there, you can see the appeal of the place to its parishioners, the way it feels like a sanctuary to them. A sanctuary from what they see as a Godless and dangerous and immoral modern world. Even Unitarians, who famously believe in nothing in particular (or everything in general, to look at it another way) seem to have pretty nice churches.

        But Scientology … where is the comfort or sense of sanctuary in that awful, over-lit “Life Improvement Center”?

        • NOLAGirl

          Exactly. You look at the “Life Improvement Center” and think: “Which way to Radiology?”

          • ze moo

            Colonoscopies on 3rd floor.

          • Juicer77

            Our local hospital got a new entrance, and it’s beautiful. Even a fountain splashing pleasantly. This place looks like a really cheap tanning salon.

        • Elendira

          I have been to many churches and holy places around the world — from the in-your- face opulence of a Catholic Cathedral, to the start beauty of Calvinist churches, to the simple warmth of Shaker meeting hall. Each approach God in their own different ways and you might not agree with the parisheners but you never doubt that these are indeed spiritual places, but nothing is as cold, intimidating, and soulless as Scientology “churches” and that is all that you really need to know about the religion.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Every room is ready for inspection by Miscavige is why.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Salvation Army should take note!

  • BosonStark

    You can tell from Tory’s photo of the renovated Hollywood Life Improvement Center, they’re going to improve millions of lives, or at least they have enough staff milling around waiting to pounce and sell, sell, sell.

  • Stacy

    Exes, hopefully one/ some of you can answer this question for me. Why doesn’t CoS attempt to make any of their orgs look remotely like an actual church or mosque? Nothing about these facilities says “religion” at all. Now, we know that CoS isn’t really a religion, but why isn’t CoS trying to make the general public THINK it’s a religion? Perhaps most members, including DM, don’t think of it as a religion either, no matter how much they shriek about religious bigotry to the Press.

    • BosonStark

      I’m not an ex, but when they did a video on a new Org in Australia, one of the “parishioners” mentioned that she loved that it looked like an upscale shopping mall instead of a church. I think that hit the nail on the head of the look they are they are going for and the type of people they want to attract now.

      They want people to buy into the idea that instead of buying books and courses, Scientologists are buying prosperity and a better future. It’s a me, me, me organization and the church stuff is just for cloaking.

      • Richard Grant

        That does make sense — but in that case, shouldn’t they lose the uniforms? If they’re going for the upscale-shopping-mall aesthetic, the staff should be hanging out in fashionable informal attire, I would think. To me, Scientology seems to have lost its focus. They can’t seem to decide what they’re selling or who they’re selling it to. And the result is this shiny sc-fi weirdness like some dystopian miniseries with a really cheesy script and too many robots in the cast.

        • BosonStark

          The uniforms, that many anyway, look like it was just for an opening look-see. It has a very cold look to it though.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Are the uniforms there to give them a Sea Org-like identity?

          • Richard Grant

            This org-staff uniform thing has been going on for a while — maybe one of the exes can tell us more about that. (I think I read on Tony’s Village Voice blog, a couple of years ago, that one of the people imprisoned in the Hole was the designer of the first org uniforms, maybe in the 90s.)

            • Draco

              Org staff uniforms were introduced sometime after the Ideal Ogs thing started. I have always hated uniforms since school days. Absolutely no good thought went into designing the orgs’ uniforms. Apparently they are uncomfortable, far too warm for most warm climates / summers. They have to be dry-cleaned, which is extremely expensive in South Africa and staff can’t afford it, so they wash them, which makes them go out of shape.
              I think it was just one more way miscavige designed to make life more miserable for staff.

            • Missionary Kid

              Let’s face it. Nothing is designed for comfort or practicality where minions of $cientology are concerned.

              The only person’s comfort considered is DM’s.

        • Sherbet

          At our local mall, the maintenance people wear suits with a cummerbund and bow tie, and they ride Segways. cos doesn’t have Segways. Yet.

          Please, loyal scientologists — dig deep and give till it hurts, so your staff can ride Segways. It’s ecclesiastical. And it’s fun.

          • Sid

            They did have a couple of Segways for security around Flag for a while. I don’t think the batteries lasted long enough for a 16 hour day.

            • Sherbet

              That’s where the RPF people could have been useful: They could have manually pushed the Segways and riders to their destinations.

            • Eileen

              Hahahaha…

            • Sherbet

              Oh, you won’t think it’s funny when you’re doing the pushing, missy.

          • 1subgenius

            Millionaire Segway tycoon dies in cliff plunge on one of his own scooters

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315518/Segway-tycoon-Jimi-Heselden-dies-cliff-plunge-scooters.html

            • Sherbet

              That’s not funny. Well, it is, may he RIP. I’m ashamed that I’m snickering. Coming soon to Segways: better brakes.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Sidney18511

              How ya feeling?

            • Sherbet

              lrh invented the Segway.

            • Anonymous

              There may be some confusion here.

              Jimi Heselden purchased the company that made the Segway in 2010, then died from a fall off a cliff while riding one. That actually happened.

              The inventor of the Segway, Dean Kamen, is still alive.

            • Robert Eckert

              It was not Dean Kamen, the inventor of the Segway, who died on one, but Jimi Heselden, the guy who bought Kamen out. Ironically, before going into the Segway business Heselden manufactured a lot of guardrails.

            • beauty for ashes

              Seriously? I know i shouldn’t laugh at that , but i’m getting some serious church giggles!

            • Robert Eckert

              It could have been worse. He manufactured a lot of barriers against car-bombs etc. used at embassies and military bases. At least he didn’t die in a car-bombing.

            • beauty for ashes

              LOL, note to self, never sit next to Robert at a funeral, unless you want to get kicked out.

            • Jimmy3

              Lesser men would have jumped right into it, but Jimi had mastered the art of the segue.

            • Suzy

              LOL thank you for the coffee spew

            • Suzy

              Oops, sorry no disrespect to his family

            • Jimmy3

              None intended either, but I think ‘too soon’ has elapsed on this one.

          • Dr_Orpheus

            Only the upstats will get Segways. Downstats can walk!

          • beauty for ashes

            What an image! 🙂 Now if they had english accents and silver trays that would be amazing!

            Sometimes fashion can be elevated to improve the self esteem of the wearer. I have never found uniforms or dress codes to help in this way. It is a stripping down of one’s identity to homogenize the staff. Add to that the impracticality and discomfort of the sea org uniform. Its downright degrading. (imho) Let them wear cotton!

      • Dr. Hunky Jimpjorps

        Honestly, Scientology ended up being ahead of the curve on their religious facilities design — over the past decade there’s lots of “big box” Christian megachurch campuses that are laid out like malls, with food courts and exercise facilities and bookstores prominently placed. Probably the one place where the CoS actually did predict a cultural trend!

        • Benfranklin

          Scientology is a business, It is only a religion for both legal and tax protection purposes. I would not refer to any of the CoS buildings religious facilities

          • Missionary Kid

            Wait a minute! They worship money.

      • Stacy

        I agree completely with your assessment. It’s just that since they are cloaking themselves with “religion,” you’d think they’d make a greater attempt to appear religious. It’s just that sometimes I’m surprised by how little they try to actually appear like a church/ religion.

    • Scream Nevermore

      They want to avoid ‘echoes’ of religions where people might actually get some help/solace without paying through the nose for it?

    • Sid

      Somewhere Ron said that priests were analogous to psychs. And psychs were responsible for all the decline in the universe on the whole track. It could be that they want the religious cloaking but don’t want to appear too much like other churches. Call yourself a religion. Bring out the cross. Get the government protection. Keep the money flowing.

      • Stacy

        That sounds like CoS. :/

    • Silence of the Clams

      You are supposed to be impressed with all the corporate “techiness” of them.

      It’s SCIENCE!

      • Stacy

        They really think they’re emphasizing the “science” aspect when they decorate like this? All these Orgs just look like corporate businesses.

    • Captain Howdy

      I think making them look like mosques is a splendid idea.

    • Sherbet

      Heck, Stacy, they DO have a cross, you know. Nothing screams “church” like a cross. Do you need further proof, girl?

      • Suzy

        That is right, they ripped off Aleister Crowley’s crossed out cross

      • Stacy

        So they put a cross on top of what basically looks like expensively appointed corporations. Not very churchlike or religious to me. You’d think they’d try harder to perpetuate the lie.
        I’ll never understand scientologists or scientology.

        • Sherbet

          Seriously, it’s like the minister/priest “suits” cos drags out when they want to look the part. We’ve got suits. We’ve got a cross. We’ve got Sunday services. We’re a church, dammit. Give us our tax exemption. Thank you.

          • Stacy

            As always, there’s so much to wonder at in CoS. Their actions are often so illogical. Well, it’s better for us, so I’ll just stop thinking about it. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              They have logic like they have math.

    • BFM

      The religion “angle” thing is a well known tidbit amongst scientologists. They know their “religion” isn’t really one and are sold on it as an exact science….. In fact, one is gradually indoctrinated that all religion is in fact a trap. So, in order to keep that internal party-line running they can’t get all to vocal about being a genuine religion. Just the cross and the Sunday services (no one attends, I doubt any org left that actually performs these anymore) and some ragtag religious services (marriage, baptizing etc….twisted to a scio angle) is all they can comfortably do. Most old-timers know these religious services are designed to have tax-exemption…….. (how telling lies become common ground for all involved)

      It’s funny how the sheeple go along with this scam — knowing full well Sci isn’t a religion.

      • Stacy

        So you never thought of scientology as being your religion when you were in? What did you think about the religion angle then? Just that it was necessary to get the wogs to leave CoS alone?
        Thanks BFM. I appreciate you taking the time to answer. I appreciate everyone who has taken the time to answer me on this today. 🙂

        • BFM

          You are welcome Stacy:) I felt you really were looking for an answer, and that’s why I decided to give you my personal take and observations on it.

          Having served 5 years as CL V staff and about 7 as SO and some more as public I can comfortably say very few, if any, truly see scientology as a religion. Just the amount of daily swearing that goes on… the foul language and power abuse…. you just know it doesn’t quite make the mark as religion.

          So to answer: no I never thought scientology as my religion while I was in (it was more my group I was wiling to support, and at best I could call it an applied religious philosophy… but had doubts about that one too).

          The thought I had, as most did and still do, about the religion angle is that it protected our group against prosecution (which it actually does). In the eighties many orgs were raided by tax agencies around the world and had lots of monies confiscated (backlogged tax-payments). So that was a reason to play along with the religious thinggie too. And later the religion designation morphed into a convenient argument to shut critics up by calling them religious bigots.

          • Stacy

            For some reason I thought most members would think of scientology as their religion, even if they thought of it as a scientific religion. Very interesting. There’s always something new to learn about this cult. Thanks again BFM.

            • BFM

              You are welcome! Only celebs might think of it as a religion but then they are totally out of the loop on the true inner-workings of the cult. And they are too self-absorbed to give it a real thought.

    • daytoncapri

      Well, it actually can happen. This scino link shows you the former Florence (KY) Baptist Church, so it looks very much like a church. I live an hours-plus’ drive from this place and have zero inclination to drive near it.

      IMHO, Cincinnati area (OH-KY) residents tend to be more church-going among US cities (surely more than Dayton OH), and so this “look” is a good fit to the local psychographics.

      We’ve got a Cincinnati guy who frequently posts on this forum..hope he comments.

      (Trivia: My Ph.D bro-in-law is from the Cincinnat sub of Dayton, Kentucky. In our last pub-crawl we both announced we were from Dayton. Such was the quality of the conversation that day… ocasionallly bouts of stupidity, but we sure had fun.)

      http://www.scientology.org/david-miscavige/churchopenings/grand-opening-scientology-ideal-organization-cincinnati-ohio.html

  • Sherbet

    Pssst, Tony: “Unprotected by the religious cloaking that has proved so effected…”

  • Ella Raitch

    All this and Thursday Funnies at Mike’s…I’m happy as a clam at an Ideal Org opening.

    • I loved the cartoon with Daves head just visible over the desk.

      • Mike’s post needs moe baby:

        • I agree, who doesn’t smile when they see that adorable little face.

      • Draco

        The Thursday cartoons are very good.

    • Scientology shot Bambi’s mother!

  • Tony Ortega

    East Grinstead Courier item added to the post

    • Juicer77

      Is that the scent of an upcoming article series in the air? Nice groundwork. Let’s see where they go from here.

  • aquaclara

    Giving a big shout out to Kim Poff, Michael DeLong and your attorney, Rachel Bussett.

    The state’s motion to dismiss sounds silly to me, but then, I am not a lawyer. Saying the filing shouldn’t hold up because the department and the Board are not people?

    And that one has no rights at all to do the correct thing because they are an employee, hired only “at will”, or can’t speak up because there is no “free speech” doing your job as an Inspector General? I guess this means people can only be an Inspector General if they don’t really “inspect” things, or report on them. And share reports only with non-people, which sounds like the circular file to me.

    But yet, when you performed your duties ably, in an effort to save lives and ensure the safety of patients, the Board and Department, who say they are not people, buried the report, destroyed your career and fired you. The Board and the Department certainly have no heart, that part is true. But it’s made up of living, breathing individuals who are hired and paid by the citizens of Oklahoma to work for the people of that state.

    Filing this case took an enormous amount of courage. You know firsthand the victims at Narconon Arrowhead. And you can see the continued harm caused by Narconon’s lies right here with three more lawsuits filed by Ryan Hamilton, Patrick Pendley and Jeff Ray. Brave people doing right will shut this down.

    Congratulations to you all for taking this on. And wishing you much success. I hope Alex Gibney
    does his next documentary on the heroes who took on the state of Oklahoma and Narconon. And won.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Well said, Aqua. I think telling their story – and the whole backstory of Narconon in Oklahoma – would be very powerful.

  • Sherbet

    “Something can be done about it. Not scientology, of course, but something else.”

    Fixed it.

  • Sherbet

    Poff and DeLong and Oklahoma’s motions to dismiss: All I can say is, “AAARRGGHHHHH!!”

  • Silence of the Clams

    “Currey relented, and the center charged the $15,000 to credit cards the facility had obtained for him.”

    See? Scientology works. They took all his money and destroyed his credit. He won’t be able to buy a pack of rolling papers now. Addiction solved.

    Is there a list of these criminal rehabs somewhere? It seems people would benefit from doing a little research before getting sucked into this charade. OR the main stream news media could actually DO IT’S JOB and report on this disgusting practice of preying on the most vulnerable among us.

    ok..sorry, that’s not going to happen until one of the Kardashians go to Narconon. Then it will be a top priority to get to the truth.

    • Tony Williams

      “Is there a list of these criminal rehabs somewhere?”

      Take a look at http://narcononreviews.net. ’til next time!

  • Ivan Mapother

    How did Tory get a photo of Matrix Night at the Hollywood Life Improvement Center?

    • ze moo

      That photo looks like a mall Brookstone or the set of some bad sci-fi movie.

  • Re: The Vulture Minister posed photo with the stretcher and the helicopter in the background. I always wonder what the real story is behind shots like that; were they really helping, or did they pick their moment and swarm in to get a good PR photo?

    Here’s one where the Red Cross left one of their signs unguarded, and the Vultures swarmed in for the shot. Everyone in the photo is a Scientologist, including the one in the white shirt pretending to be a grateful medic person:

    • Sid

      It’s always about the photo op. Then show the photo at an event. Then collect money for more photo ops.

      It’s the circle of life.

      • Observer

        “It’s the circle of lie.”

        fixt

        • Pepsicat

          It’s the circle of lice.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          The game of Lie, if you will:

          (refresh for an oldie but a goodie)

        • Sid

          You are so right. And with that single word, in greater clarity than in all decades previous, with an order of magnitude more than all orders of magnitude expounded in history, we culminate in a single truth. And THAT truth is stated in one Scientologically useful word. ‘Lie’. (3 hour standing ovation, clapping until hands bloody, credit cards out, checks written, gold teeth extracted).

    • Observer

      Despicable.

      • I doubt the Red Cross was pleased about the implied Scientology-Red Cross cooperation, but what are they going to do? All the Red Cross people were probably busy doing real stuff instead of posing for photos with idiots in spotless yellow t-shirts or shooing them off for the 47th time..

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          They get certificates for the shortest, simplest Red Cross courses they offer, some taking all of two hours, and then act like they’ve completedthe full series, all the training, etc. You know, the usual M.O. That’s how they infiltrate the Red Cross, just enough for a little name card and slither in the door.

    • Scream Nevermore

      ‘Yes, of course we can help – simply reading this tome will feed starving children and staunch wounds…’

      • “Thank you for this big thick heavy book. When we run out of anesthetics in the field, we will use this.”

        • Sherbet

          “This is a list of all of lrh’s lies.”

          • eldritch cuckoo

            I hope it’s on a pad/ebook. Otherwise, nobody would be able to carry that fat tome.

    • Captain Howdy

      “If we start talking about scientology, please hit us with this. Remember, aim for the head”

    • Sherbet

      “Missionary Kid has assembled this little list of names for COB.”

  • Gerard Plourde

    Based on the allegations stated in the response to Kim Poff and Michael DeLong, the bar they have to clear in order to prevail on the retaliation claim is pretty high. I’m not fully current on the law, but retaliation claims pretty much require that the defendant be unable to reasonably assert an additional reason for the termination. If the state can produce another reason (and for an at-will employee any remotely legitimate reason, even coming back late from lunch, will do) then the retaliation claim fails. The age and sex discrimination claims may allow for a “mixed motive” (I.e. a legitimate and an illegitimate reason for the termination) and therefore could be more successful.

    • Sherbet

      In Tony’s words, “The motions call Poff and DeLong’s allegations “baseless,” and assert that even if they had found wrongdoing at Narconon Arrowhead, the department would still have discretion what to do about it and might not decide to revoke Narconon Arrowhead’s license.”

      Unfortunately, reading between the lines, there’s a tacit approval of narconon’s methods, i.e., “We know what we’re doing, Poff and DeLong, so mind your own business.” I don’t necessarily think that’s what the state of OK is saying, but it’s implied.

      • Gerard Plourde

        I don’t know if I’d go so far as to say that the state would approve Narconon’s methods. It might be more on target to say that the bureaucracy is being protective of its chain of command and doesn’t want its employees to show independent initiative.

        • Sherbet

          Yes, of course you’re right, Gerard. I agree, and I don’t think the state was offering approval, either. But it just looks and smells that way.

        • Scream Nevermore

          But then they are failing in their public service duties, which the two former employees can prove in court, and win their case?

          • Gerard Plourde

            If only that were true. Sadly, the state could probably cite a number of reasons like lack of assignable staff or low likelihood of successful prosecution or just about any remotely plausible excuse that would show that they were rationally allocating scarce public resources.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I tend to think is true; however, there are too many details that smell of a skunk or two under the pile. Remember, scientology succeeds best in their frauds and scams when they get in bed with other like minded scum.

          • Gerard Plourde

            I agree that the facts would support action on the state’s part. I don’t know enough about Oklahoma to know if a fear of rabid libertarianism a la “government always the problem and it should mind its own business” may also be at work.

  • Newiga

    Who is the guy (in the Shrek Night photos) with the blonde wig and boxing gloves supposed to be? Shrek’s albino cousin?

    • Sherbet

      Him? Oh, he always dresses that way.

      • Newiga

        AHAHAHAAA! Oh well, different strokes for different folks. Wearing a bad wig won’t safe him from the regs though.

      • Jimmy3

        “Hey man! Glad to see you got my email about Shrek Night!”

        “What the fuck is a Shrek?”

        • Sherbet

          Several ^^^ for making me laugh, Jimmy.

        • Draco

          Yeah – looks like he got the sleeping beauty email.

          • Sherbet

            He got confused: “Did they say Rapunzel or repulsive?”

        • Missionary Kid

          A cartoon character that kids like. He’s a lovable green ogre.

        • Robert Eckert
    • Ivan Mapother

      FYI, that is not a wig and those are not boxing gloves. They are the new can handler gloves for the newest generation E-Meter.

      • Newiga

        “Oh my what big gloves you have, grandma!”
        “The more money to get from you!”

    • Draco

      I like these guys in Budapest! Note only 3 Shrekked themselves up for the event. (Blonde wig doesn’t count.) The rest don’t look impressed.

      • Stacy

        What I can’t figure out is why the one Shrek also added a Super Mario Brothers mustache. What the hell kind of performance were they giving? Shrek Meets Princess Peach?

  • Truthiwant

    • Pepsicat

      Love it. I wonder how much an insert in the USA Today will cost us? Maybe USA Today will give us a discount for telling the truth in advertising?

    • BFM

      Totally true and great version of their false advertisement.

      “Your money is ours” is the exact, correct translation of their goofy “our help is yours” nonsense.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Re Tory’s picture – Is there anybody in it who isn’t on staff? I only see uniforms.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      nope. They’re probably discussing who they can throw under the bus this week as the Who in this week’s crashed stats.

      • Observer

        Scientology: the place to go if you’re not getting stabbed in the back enough.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          The desperation level in the orgs must be at Defcon Level 47 by now. I chuckle when I think back on all the ways I made up to avoid execs like the plague.

          • Draco

            Me too! 😀

          • Juicer77

            Would love to hear some of those stories! 🙂

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s easy. I was on tours most of the time, and it wasn’t as paranoid and quite as Big Brother. I was able to invoke the “tech” on missions, which I pointed out that tours were missions. When you come in off a tour, you are supposed to be on full time “enhancement”, meaning training or auditing, although auditing, pffft. No one got auditing unless they paid for it. But I was auditing lines, or training, so I invoked the “Must be studentable and sessionable at all times, well fed, well rested, and don’t upset!

              The great thing about that was I had to study on my own, or waiting time or anything else, meant I could hide out, and back then, no one bothered me. The real trick was avoiding all the “all hands”, which usually meant staying up half the night working on this week’s latest emergency, or Central Files which was the worst. I got to sleep, but during the day I had several places, and a room where I could hide to sleep, listen to music, or whatever. A lot of times I would go off the base, but I just had to remember to show up for all the damn musters.

              Most staff were not used to seeing me around, so my invisible cloak was easy. My main defense shield from avoiding running into executive’s cray cray and temper tantrums was because even though performing, the position was considered a reg’s helper. And reg’s were the anointed ones who got the perks and could provide good cover if they thought it was in their best interests – meaning sales commission totals. Most Sea Org staff wouldn’t even remember me – it was the public that I mostly dealt with in various countries. I had to give staff exec’s a preliminary hello, we’re here, and permission to work with lower level staff. Most of the time they were the sane, fun and funny ones.

        • Where Everybody Knows Your Name, And Your Credit Report, And The Contents Of Your Auditing Folders.

    • Draco

      I noticed that too. Very creepy looking, I would not want to set foot in there with that lot waiting to pounce!

      • Gerard Plourde

        It does have the smell of death that usually accompanies failing retail establishments. Lots of floor staff all too eager to help you shop.

        • Draco

          That’s it exactly! I won’t even go into a retail store that sells something I actually want if they have sales people hovering, eyeing you with that desperate look in their eyes!

      • Tsunetomo

        The place has the chilly formality of a modern funeral parlour.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Lafayette’s English estate picture in East Grinstead paper. The lighting of the entrance to the business.

    Approved/designed by Dave. So classless. So overwrought. Shows lack of taste. Lack of class. A South New Jersey/Philly lower middle class idea of “fine living.”

    • vistaril_LOL

      White trash lottery winners toy castle x Oxford college.

  • vistaril_LOL

    A certain Paul Bracchi used to be a hungry local hack down EG way – his article “the missing word” was quite a sensation, he had quite a few run ins with the sci-loonies.He’s since moved on to bigger and better things at the DailyFail.

  • L. C. Spencer

    Something is rotten in the state of Oklahoma.

    • Draco

      Oh that’s just the smell of mega B vitamins and Cal Mag seeping out of the pores in the saunas!

    • Vaquera

      Why Texas doesn’t fall into the Gulf of Mexico? Because Oklahoma sucks.
      (Old joke born of an active sports rivalry. Apologies to any Bunker Sooners)

    • BFM

      I bet some officials’ are Sciborgs or have some kind of connection with it. This whole thing stinks. it smells like rotten OSA operations… a stench that is unique to it.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Or they’re overwhelming the State the same way they did the IRS… Whatever it is, it isn’t a coincidence.

        • BFM

          Yes, the unmistakable OSA ops stench whether they have straw men or some incriminating stuff on the states officials, its OSA at work here.

  • “…and the center charged the $15,000 to credit cards the facility had obtained for him.” This story of $cientology actively abusing credit cards has been going on for decades. Back in the 1980s, American Express execs met with those of the cult because so many people were buying OT levels at AOLA and then declaring bankruptcy. $35,000 or so on an Amex card, then see you later, Charlie. I wonder if ultimately this standard practice of the cult wouldn’t fall under the RICO statutes somewhere. If any $cientology exec had extensive inside knowledge of this they there’s a possibility they could become rich by filing as a whistleblower and getting the Justice Dept. involved – they could receive 15% to 30% of monies recovered.

    • flyonthewall

      Couldn’t the cc companies just refuse to take charges from Flag, AOLA, ASHO etc? The biggest offenders

      • Draco

        Oooh! That would be fantastic, Fly! What a great idea. How to kill a cult – brilliant 🙂
        Can you imagine if people had to pitch up with cash in future? I think the remaining flock would LOVE that. If you have no cash, you have no cash and coercing them into spending money they don’t physically have just becomes a whole lot harder!

        • flyonthewall

          I know right! But they get their fees for every transaction and if the cardholder isn’t filing a complaint, which they prob won’t or else they would be OSA bait, then there is prob not much the cc co’s can do

      • I don’t know what happened after that meeting, but I remember being told it wasn’t the first time. Maybe that’s part of the Narconon shenanigans, having names that don’t show anything like Church of Scientology on the charge. It would seem they could but I don’t know credit laws.

    • flyonthewall

      Oh, I was thinking of other actresses to play Paulette Cooper – Julianne Moore or Cate Blanchett! I just saw Blanchett in this awesome Sam Raimi movie the other night and I was like YES! She would be perfect! I shoud be a casting director. The movie was The Gift, btw and it was excellent.

      • I’d go for that. Blanchett never misses. Great in the Woody Allen movie.

        • flyonthewall

          I can’t do Woody Allen. That may make me a heathen but I don’t care. I did like Celebrity though. Maybe bc he wasn’t in it. I really liked her in the Aviator too. Even though that snotty NE accent always makes me cringe

          • Stacy

            She was doing a totally spot-on Katherine Hepburn. She had to have that accent.

            I can’t do Woody Allen either. He may be a brilliant screenwriter and whatever, but he’s just a creepy child molester to me.

            • flyonthewall

              She totally was and that’s the problem, lol! Hate that accent

      • Captain Howdy

        Natalie Portman would be the obvious choice.

        • flyonthewall

          Pretty good. How do you feel about Naomi Watts? Mulholland Dr?

          • Captain Howdy

            Fly, I know who Watts is. My knowledge of film is pretty much encyclopedic. Noami is too old and too white. Portman was born in Israel and lost relatives in the Holocaust. It would make a great tie-in for the film.

            • flyonthewall

              I’m sure you do, I was referring to her acting style in the two movies. Paulette is also very white and very blond like Naomi. With makeup etc she could do 25 easy, come on. Didn’t know that about Portman, that could be interesting

        • beauty for ashes

          Disclaimer: I have seen nothing else this girl has done. i saw a pic of her when i looked up young Hollywood on google Images.Her name is Holland Roden. She expressed both beauty and vulnerability, then I saw this video on youtube, which she strangely metaphorically tells Paulette’s story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds0uHCGDqE4

      • Draco

        Cate Blanchett would be superb! She is just so compelling to watch. I really hope there will be a movie!

        • flyonthewall

          Have you seen The Gift?

    • Anonymous

      And for years FLAG regges were telling folks that they did not “accept” AMEX because that credit card company used unethical practices.

      Which was a double curve of the actual truth…which is that AMEX cut FLAG off because of the same types of abuses you describe as happening at AOLA.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That’s scientology: Double curved double cross.

      • Ah, so they did cut them off! Thanks for that, Anon. 🙂

        • Todd Tomorrow

          How are you today Skip? Finally got that book on Hypnosis you suggested. So many were out of print.
          ARC(whatever the fuck that means) Todd

          • Cool. Let me know what you think. ARC means “all right” said 100 times in a Matt McConaghey accent – the C being the Roman numeral. 😉

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thx Skip,
              ML. Todd

    • Dunno if the wild rumours from the LA Celeb Center should be given any credence (employees at banking institutions feeding info straight back to the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology)?

  • Snuzey

    Say there was (I have no idea I will be generous) 2000 volunteer ‘ministers’. That means 12,000 people to 1 ‘minister’. That’s an awful lot of touch assists…

    The East Grinstead article is odd. It strikes me that that Scio paid for the info-ad, but some clever dude in the paper knows the score, so shoved the videos in there! OOps!

    • Draco

      Yes – and the scilons can’t accuse him of not printing their side of the story. I think it’s genius!

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. Generating more billable lawyer hours than any other organization on the planet.

    How in heck does the legal system not look at that simple notion and go…wtf is with these clowns?
    If there are so many lawsuits, there HAS GOT to be a real cause.

  • Science Doc

    I like seeing the stain spread for Narconon. Ryan Hamilton franchises might be available in your state.

  • Observer

    Just because I feel like enturbulatin’.

    • Sherbet

      Captain Blackheart and his mini COBcycle.

    • I bet he needs a boost up into the seat. He is so little.

      • Scream Nevermore

        And blocks on the pedals for his little legs!

  • Snuzey

    That’s 1 touch assist every 2.4 seconds. Wow. They must have er, souper powers or something…

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Hey, Dave. I hear the weather’s fine in the casinos this time of year. Tick Tick Tick Tick …

    2015 Sundance Film Festival Preview: Kurt Cobain, James Franco, and A Scientology Exposé
    by Marlow Stern

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2015/01/22/2015-sundance-film-festival-preview-kurt-cobain-james-franco-and-a-scientology-expos.html#0e15c734-c090-46af-bffc-8e3b6b522a56

    http://i.imgur.com/WL3PbZ0.gif

  • Panopea Abrupta

    • Captain Howdy

      47x Shades of Cray: The Grant Cardone Story

      • Sherbet

        Can you hear me laughing? Gosh, that’s funny, Cap.

        • Captain Howdy

          I know.

          • aquaclara

            Glad you’re back…did the tune-up help?

            • Captain Howdy

              No. I went in for a tune up and came back looking like Andrew Luck.
              ….

            • Sherbet

              Presenting Captain Howdy: The New GEICO spokesneanderthal.

            • Stacy

              I was hoping you’d come back with a new set of these

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Those don’t look new, Stacy.

            • Stacy

              Hey, I just grabbed a pic off Bing. You expect me to actually inspect the tires to see how much wear there is on the treads? 😉

      • Missionary Kid

        Geeze. That one got me laughing. It’s now his list at MISCELLANEOUS $CIENTOLOGISTS http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/01/happy-new-year-2015-now-the-real-scientology-countdown-begins/#comment-1770018181

        • eldritch cuckoo

          Can’t you rename that to “MISERABLE $CIENTOLOGISTS”? It kinda sounds similar and essentially it’s the same, so maybe nobody notices it anyways…

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s an excellent idea. I’ll do it soon.

      • Marie Claire Wolf

        He has got to be ringing real hard and high on the creep meter, that applies to the whole clan!

      • eldritch cuckoo

        47 Shades Of Sociopathy!

    • flyonthewall

      no one can use .’s like you Pan

    • Take it to the next level.
      You too can be a level 47 douchecanoe, and with auditing your missus can become a level 47 douchette with a fixation on nut scratching. Sign up now.

    • Pepsicat

      It’s a rip off from GQ. What an asshat.

    • Destructor of Worlds

      Fart Cardone

      • Missionary Kid

        I’ve added that to the list of GC’s nicknames. It will be posted this weekend.

        • Destructor of Worlds

          Excellent.

    • Stacy

      Blech! Vomit and pustulence.

    • I hear they’re going to make a movie: The Human Cardonipede.

      • Science Doc

        Dibs on front.

  • Larry

    I’m a Scientologist so I’m not allowed to look at the internet (whatever ‘that’ is) so I asked my mom to post this for me.

    There is a rumor going around that some new movie about our church is coming out at something called the Sunprance or Sunchance festival (I’m not allowed to look it up to word clear it). Anyway our Org. called a meeting to explain whats going on.

    Apparently the new movie is about Going Clear and is a beautiful piece of work sharing the brilliance of L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology with the whole world!!!! We are not allowed to go see it because we would be taking up seats in the movie theater that other people could use instead. Which makes perfect sense to us.

    Anyway the data we received indicates! So we are preparing our org’s all around the world for an influx of new people that is expected to be in the millions, or tens of millions. Maybe even hundreds of millions!

    Lastly, our org. took up a donation drive to raise money to give to people on the street to go see this new movie about our church! They even helped us open new credit card accounts to borrow the money to give to these possible new recruits! (so they can go get the data from the movie!).

    Now clearing the whole planet is just around the corner!

    much love,
    OT VIII

    • flyonthewall

      You should prob start knocking down walls inside the orgs to make room for all the new people that will be flooding in.

      • Sherbet

        May as well knock down the outside walls, too, and cart it all away.

        • flyonthewall

          But won’t the video displays get cold?

          • Sherbet

            Recycle!

          • Stacy

            And the thoughts from the “See A Thought” displays would escape.

            • flyonthewall

              Wtf is up w/that anyway? “See a Thought”!? I want what these guys are smoking! Or maybe I don’t, nevermind

            • Stacy

              I can remember a few times in my youth, experimenting with recreational drugs, thinking I could see thoughts. Way more enjoyable than grabbing hold of e-meter cans and having someone pinch me and say, “now think of being pinched.” 😉

            • flyonthewall

              yes, blue was always my favorite sound

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              You. me and fly would have been good friends I can see.

            • Stacy

              Lol, we would’ve had some fun times when younger, I’m guessing. 😀
              I hope we are good friends now, though, even if only Internet Bunker friends. 🙂

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Best Bunker Buddies…..BBB’s…….Thanks Stacy.

    • Enders Anon

      Too bad that no Scientologist makes comments on this blog. They ignore us. Why don’t they like us? Are we too nasty?

    • Is your name Tommy Davis by chance?
      His mummy needs to look after him too.

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      🙂 AWKWARD!!! Now you and yo SP Mama will have to disconnect….$ci, clearing the whole planet one Mom at a time!

    • We are not allowed to go see it because we would be taking up seats in the movie theater that other people could use instead.

      ROFL! I bet you that screaming insane slapping dwarf is telling his surviving customers just that. 🙂

  • ze moo

    It is a very good omen that now Cali, Nevada, Michigan and Louisiana NarCONons are on the receiving end of a lawsuit. Soon Florida will be added to the stew. NarCONon has huge presence in Florida and Hambo is probably looking for potential clients and partners there.

    Suing NarCONon is as close to a sure thing as the legal world provides.

    • Science Doc

      I think he’s already done that as of a couple of weeks ago.

      • Tony Ortega

        Slipped my mind. I added a note to the post.

        • Science Doc

          It’s hard to keep track of.

          • ze moo

            The NarCONon website touts their California locations as being ‘CARF Certified’. F5

            Hawaii and Texas get nice billing on the NarCONon website. NO mention I can see of Florida or MIchigan locations. I guess Wickstrom and the Florida franchise holders didn’t opt for all the advertising they could get.

            “Narconon of Georgia—The Narconon Georgia program is an
            outpatient facility located in Norcross, Georgia. The founder, Mary
            Rieser helps each student to develop their own sense of ethics and
            personal responsibility to aid in their recovery.”

            I guess we now know what Mary Rieser is up to these days.

            Vancouver?? Doesn’t British Columbia know about 3 Rivers?

            • Lisa Hartman

              they are changing their names to get away from Narconon affiliation – still Narconons, though. Operating exactly the same way.

    • Lisa Hartman

      Already conquering FL – #25!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    OK, I am now seriously getting that Days-Before-Christmas vibe I remember from my childhood:

    (refresh)

    • Pierrot

      we use to count the nights (number of times to have to go to bed before the event)

      • Scream Nevermore

        3 sleeps!

    • I hope the frothing insane ringleaders decide to dress up as Nazis again and “protest” the documentary. That would be sweet!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yesssssssssss!

  • Tony Ortega

    Tampa and New York photos added to the post

  • Observer

    Oh, “Elaine!” Why isn’t your patsy Kelsey Miller documenting the “good works” you pull off so stylishly, you “typical Millennial” you?

    • Missionary Kid

      I initially read her last name as Flakeoff.

  • flyonthewall

    The E Grinstead article is bizarre indeed. The clips are totally non-sequitor and not flattering at all. I’m calling crackhead editor on this one

  • Panopea Abrupta

    • flyonthewall

      i refreshed b4 commenting this time. Are you proud of me?

  • Simi Valley

    I’m gonna try my hand at a haiku:

    Ray Jeffrey, Jeffrey Ray
    the cult gets its ass kicked
    coming and going.

    • Ella Raitch

      Hit it out the park Simi

  • Stacy

    There’s Miss Fialkoff! Why in the world is she trying to show these people pictures in a book/ brochure? Why isn’t she making use of the media equipment and putting on a Powerpoint or Prezzi presentation? I guess all scientologists are backward when it comes to current technology.

    • Sherbet

      Fialkoff and her PowerPoint — coming soon to a municipal basement near you.

      • Stacy

        Cripes, even a frigging posterboard would be more effective.

        • Sherbet

          And there are flats screens in the room, going unused.

        • flyonthewall

          I bet she didn’t even evaluate their learning! If that presentation was aligned with state standards I’ll be a monkey’s uncle

    • Sid

      They don’t get out much. A Power Point to an Sea Org staff is jabbing your finger at a junior and sending them to the RPF.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I understand the flannelgraph was still in the dryer.

      (Paging MishKid… remember flannelgraphs???)

      • Missionary Kid

        Geez. I’d forgotten all about them. I only remember them being used in Sunday School.

      • Stacy

        Lol, should I ask? 🙂

        • Vaquera

          I remember using them in church. Those flannel covered boards (usually green) on which you could place other flannel cut outs to create a scene.

          • Stacy

            Oh yeah! I can’t believe I forgot about those! And here I was imagining a humorous Bunker joke. Hehehe! 😀

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Hearsay it.

    • Vaquera

      I’m too distracted by the pink beanie to notice the rest of the room.

      • Stacy

        It does sort of rather draw the eye. Though he pulls it off quite well, doesn’t he?

    • BFM

      ” I guess all scientologists are backward when it comes to current technology.”

      Her name should read: Miss Failkoff.

  • Missionary Kid

    In the LA Times, Charles Champlin, their movie critic, made no mention of Going Clear when he was reporting on Sundance. 🙁

    • Observer

      I just checked Rotten Tomatoes for the heck of it, and look what it says. I wonder if that’s a genuine spoiler, or if they put those names on it because they know they are or were Scientologists. There aren’t any reviews or anything yet.

      refresh

      • Missionary Kid

        I hope that Priscilla and Leah will be in it. Champlin’s article was a preview. I don’t know how many of the ones he’s mentioned were ones that he’s already seen.

        • Sherbet

          What IS the deal with Priscilla? Did she follow her daughter to the exit? Nothing definitive has ever been announced about Lisa Marie or Priscilla.

          • Missionary Kid

            Are any of Lisa Marie’s kids involved with $cientology? That might keep her and her mother Under the Radar.

            • Sherbet

              Good question, Kid. I don’t know. We may be finding out soon, though, huh?

            • Missionary Kid

              It would make headlines in all the gossip mags.

            • Missionary Kid

              If it is Lisa Marie or Priscilla, it will rock Co$. I doubt it is them, though, even though I hope it is..

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Someone suggested yesterday Pat Broeker…wouldn’t that be the best, although unlikely.

        • RBE

          I am voting for Leah Remini and one or two under the radar actors/celebrities. I remember that Paul Haggis said that he had been contacted by several people that quietly left that he didn’t know were even in at one time.

      • A Guest

        It also makes me wonder if this is legit or speculation. As I mentioned yesterday, I’ve read there will be 8 former members in the film.

        Kim Masters’ piece about Alex Gibney, The Hollywood Reporter, mentioned these 5 former members:

        Paul Haggis
        Marty
        Rathbun
        Michael Rinder
        Jason Beghe
        Spanky Taylor

        The other 3 names seem to be part of a big “reveal” during the premiere. I speculated 2 might be the Presleys. I was more uncertain about the remaining person, although I wondered if it wasn’t someone who has been posting in the Bunker anonymously.

        But if this is correct, we now have 7 names. The last one is still a mystery. Hmmm…

        • Prim

          I vote for our proprietor or Paulette Cooper.

          • A Guest

            Well, if Tony came out as a former member, I’d exteriorize for sure – probably permanently! In fact, I might be the first official Bunker bunk (pushing up daisies at this keyboard).

            No doubt, however, our Proprietor will be a feature interviewee.

            • Ella Raitch

              Kim Masters also confirmed as a talking head

        • Vaquera

          There will probably be many people we are familiar with in the film, but only 8 are focused on.

        • Ella Raitch

          If they are talking about Tom Cruise ‘knowing’ about what is wrong, I’m thinking John Brousseau…? Sinar Parman (sp?) is the other ex with first hand tales of Tom Cruise inurement

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        They might have used that article (can’t remember which one at the moment) that claimed to know all 8. It included the Presleys. Our proprietor went all thumbs down on it being anything other conjecture.

        • Observer

          I didn’t see Tony’s pooh-poohing of it, but it’s pretty much what I thought. Still, with all the surprises these days, you never know who’s going to blow and speak up.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Not this Rotten Tomatoes – but another source and Tony pretty much poohed On it. Now I’ll have to go find it.

  • Vaquera

    Scientology in Quebec Faces Another College of Physicians Complaint

    A formal complaint filed this morning against Scientology in Quebec, may slam the cult and participating physicians with another serious investigation by the Quebec College of Physicians.

    There’s not much new info beyond the above quote, but there is a nice history of Naronon’s recent troubled history with our (USA) neighbors to the north.

    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=14443

    • ze moo

      David Love really wacks the purif and apparently so does the Quebec College of Physicians.

  • Jennhatesyou

    Working without hardhats on a boom lift? Why am I not surprised.

    • Stacy

      Maybe you could send this to OSHA?

      • Jennhatesyou

        OSHA says that if nobody is working above them then hard hats aren’t needed.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Thanks Jenn.

        • Stacy

          Crap!

        • flyonthewall

          The Lord is working above them. Did you mention that? Jesus loves you Jenn

          • Nat-lificent

            Lol

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you for keeping us updated on this, Jenn. I agree that Cal-OSHA might be interested. They don’t care if it is religion, they just aim for workplace safety…

  • Currey alleges that he was told he’d need to pay $15,000 up front, and that the program would get pre-authorization from his insurance plan to cover the program.

    Filthy liars!

  • Maybe it’s just intentional juxtaposing on that Courier article? It’s basically quotations from the old “What is Scientology?” book and videos of critics. Maybe they are just trying to illustrate the stark differences between what Scientology says and what it does.

    • flyonthewall

      Maybe, but a good article doesn’t make you guess what they’re trying to get at. Still a fail

      • If you say so. I didn’t know there was a pass or fail on things like this.

        • flyonthewall

          Yeah no reason to have clarity in your message or editorial standards when you publish work

  • Lil Davey just cancelled his Hollywood Reporter subscription. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bombshell-scientology-film-revealed-alex-764849

    • Dale A.

      Question from an outsider. How will Miscavige be talking about the upcoming documentary to the minions? Will he advise them not to watch it when it becomes available, but gain access and watch it himself?

      • Just an educated guess – he probably won’t. Might put full page ads in Variety and Hollywood Reporter saying how incorrect it is. Which will provide even further bad PR for the cult he’s working so vigorously to destroy.

      • Throught the OSA, as they’ll monitor who said good things about it on Facebook or are friends with people who do say good things about it, along with disconnection(I’m sorry, “shunning”) from family members and friends who drink the CoS Kool-Aid by the gallon. It will be interesting what the response from the Hollywood A through D-listers will be, or what Kathy Griffiin(th?) will say about it.
        T
        As for C.O.B., he will get a blu-Ray from said OSA or one of the private detectives they hire for such things, who won’t be afraid of the etheta that such a document could contain. He might watch it with his doxie, or with his fellow Big Being Tom Cruise, but that’s just pure speculation on my part.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        I think he’ll see it. Also those especially loyal will only to try and pick it apart. Some trusted who would be assigned to ferret out any and all entheta. The minions, the proletariat will not be allowed to see it and will have to confess in an O/W write up or confessional if they did, further slowing up their progress and making them suspect. It will be described as the final howling of the SP’s just before the opening of the new Media Center and the hoards of new public coming into the new Ideal Orgs.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Red-X Red-X Red-X

    Lou Cypher and her loathsome paramour, Sin Bad the Failure, must be getting very nervous now. Hurricane HBO and the accompanying Force 47 gales have the potential to cause havoc for the SS Albatross and all who fail in her.
    Make it tougher sailing on them here:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml#

    Battening down the hatches, eh, Dave?
    TICK TOCK

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    Hollywood Reporter article on Gibney film: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bombshell-scientology-film-revealed-alex-764849

    Co$ take note: even Lance Armstrong has praise for Alex Gibney. You look like idiots when Armstrong shows you up. From the article:

    “I remember vividly when he reached out to me to tell me he had selected the title,” Armstrong says. “I said, ‘OK, it doesn’t make me feel great,’ but I don’t blame him. I did lie. What the f— are you going to say?” He still thinks Gibney portrayed him as more untruthful than he actually was, but he admires the filmmaker’s brains as well as his willingness to tackle subject matter such as that of Gibney’s new film. “This Scientology thing — that just takes a huge set to take on,” Armstrong says. “But he has the courage to do it.”

    And Going Clear is debuting in the MARC Theater. I wonder how Headley arranged that. 😉

    • stillgrace2

      I want to hear absolutely everything about this movie after it debuts. Somehow I am not worried about spoilers at all. I can’t wait to see it for myself in March.

      • NOLAGirl

        Seconded! Whatever spoilers come out, I’ll be watching the premiere on HBO.

        I just recently re-added HBO to my satellite package and told the girl who was helping me about the doc, she says “Oh, I read that book…thanks for the info, I’ll be watching too” 🙂

  • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

    I was just watching (again) Miscavige’s 1992 interview with Ted Koppel (Anonymous posted it below, with helpful direction to a few of the funniest lies). Does anyone know whether Koppel has offered his reflections on his interaction with DM? I’ve looked, but could not determine whether Mr. Koppel has ever been asked about it.
    Mr. Proprietor, have you ever had such an opportunity? If not, would you mind?

  • nottrue

    Come on in …It’s Free……

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      From what I understand, once you pay for a course or two, they try to destroy those acting aspirations you had and get your “ethics in” and join staff to save the planet. Unless of course you are an established “talent”…Then you can be useful on the outside.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Most scientologists learn to act in the Ethics Inquisition lobby. It takes real talent to learn how to walk out of that room and nail yourself to the wall, every THURSDAY, 2:00 pm. Floggings served after class, self service.

      http://i.imgur.com/F6I4mch.gif

    • Destructor of Worlds
  • flyonthewall

    what do you guys think a first edition Science of Survival with the dedication to Alexis in it is worth?

    • flyonthewall

      I say $100

      • flyonthewall

        really fly? $100? Idk I would of thought at least $250

        • flyonthewall

          well, you’re wrong bc you’re an idiot and you just overpaid

          • flyonthewall

            fuck you fly! wtf iz yur prob anyway!?

            • flyonthewall

              My problem? My problem is assholes who hangout in chatrooms all day and over pay for stupid scientology books!

            • flyonthewall

              It’s not a stupid book, it’s proof that Hubbard had a daughter named Alexis and he recognized her as such but you wouldn’t know that cuz you’re just a dumb fuck

            • flyonthewall

              shut up fly

            • flyonthewall

              No you shut up! Don’t you ever tell me to shut up! YOU HAVEN’T EARNED THE RIGHT!

            • flyonthewall

              I SAID SHUT UP FLY!

            • Lucille Austero

              And now you are going all all-caps on him. Really not very kind.

            • flyonthewall

              this is between me and me Lucy

            • Lucille Austero

              And me and fly and fly

            • flyonthewall

              my nose is bleeding

            • Todd Tomorrow

              That’s not a good sign please get an assist pronto!

            • flyonthewall

              It’s ok, I found the Suppressive and have handled it. Handled it…with extreme prejudice

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Are you sure you’re OK today? I realize we are just Bunker buddies but I’m a bit concerned,

            • flyonthewall

              Yes, I was just fuckin around, lol. Thnx for the concern though 🙂

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Good to hear! Thanks for changing your avatar, too. Hate staring at my Dad’s picture all the time!

            • flyonthewall

              I did it for you Todd. I’d do anything for you…anything

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Same here let me know if you need anything, Boss!

            • Nat-lificent

              This is going nowhere — use ignore tech on him

            • flyonthewall

              he’s an asshole, I’m done with him

            • Nat-lificent

              Good decide.

            • Lucille Austero

              I think fly might also be upvoting himself, which is totes unfair.

            • Nat-lificent

              Let’s do it too!

            • flyonthewall

              fly may be an asshole but he is also one of the most ethical beings on the planet and for this reason he only upvotes himself on old posts and when he is feeling down on himself and needs a morale booster

            • Nat-lificent

              That reminds me, I need to get a Valentine to myself in the mail.

            • flyonthewall

              awww 🙁 I’ll send you a Valentine….FROM HELL!! BWAHAHAHHAH!

            • Nat-lificent

              X)

            • Lucille Austero

              Attacking other posters is not very kind. Sad face.

            • Lucille Austero

              Fly, I think you might be being a little too hard on Fly?

  • Truthiwant

    It’s interesting to see the anthropological diversities between OT8s in Budapest and OT8s in Los Angeles. In Budapest there is more of a Shrekium Wackus biological development in the species, whereas in Los Angeles, there are definite characteristics of the Crackpotum Supermanus physical traits.

  • nottrue
    • AnyOldName1

      https://www.yahoo.com/movies/bombshell-scientology-film-alex-gibney-on-cruise-108751189867.html
      It was the first slide that popped up for me when I opened Yahoo! Yahoooooo!

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      I saw this also….as soon as you open to Yahoo. Make me smile.

    • BFM

      Some serious advertisement with controversy for the Gibney film. I hope this documentary pays off well for everyone involved (financially!). That will be a good incentive for others to take a swing at the cult too.

  • AnyOldName1

    Happy (belated) Squirrel Appreciation Day Bunkerites!
    Davey Boy – the squirrels are coming for your nuts 🙂

  • I set up a scientology tumblr account ages ago and only used it for a week or so and set up my blog instead…. anyway, I got this email which made me laugh….. pic

  • wannabeclear

    It would be nice to know which community boards and when she’s presenting. Local anons and others could then go to those community board meetings and provide a counterpoint as should DEFINITELY be done when someone is spreading the Co$ nonsense to unsuspecting New Yorkers…

  • A Guest

    Excerpt from the S. African blog https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2015/01/13/rcs-4d-scampaigns-help-or-hype/ – former scientologist recounts her experiences as a Volunteer Minister.

    My name is Teresa Marks, I am Australian but lived in South Africa whilst studying Scientology where I met my husband Daniel. I was not a Scientologist very long, but in those 3 years I attested to the state of Clear, completed most of my basic courses, PTS/SP and student hat. I was pretty dedicated as you can see, and was working hard to achieve OT.

    This is my experience alone, I am in no way judging other VM missions and other peoples experience.
    I am sure you have all seen the promo for Volunteer Ministers; it goes a little something like this…

    A Volunteer Minister, the first to arrive at any disaster and the last to leave, they perform miracles, they are known as the ‘ones that get the job done’. National leaders, police officials, members of parliament welcome VM’s with open arms. No problem is too small, drug problems, marriage problems… we are the largest independent relief force on earth…

    Bloody fantastic isn’t it?… Well this is my experience…

    I was always pretty impressed with the VM missions that I saw at events, it appeared as though they really were welcomed with open arms by Mayors, Chief of Police and other important members of the community. They were the storm troopers in yellow shirts always ready for action, superheros that are at disasters within minutes, will go where no man has been before and take on any job no matter how big or small.

    There was an earthquake on the 22nd of February 2011 in Christchurch New Zealand that killed 185 people. I was quick to put my hand up to go when I heard they were looking for volunteers and was told my flight and other expenses were covered by the IAS, so I flew from Johannesburg to Christchurch. I arrived late one night and by 6.00 am I was up and ready to go for a 14 hour shift. I worked long days but I didn’t care, I truly wanted to do whatever I could to help these people with no agenda.

    Apparently a fellow VM from New Zealand knew someone in the main operation centre and managed to get us in there on the condition that we stayed outside on the veranda. We had a few tables set up and hunted all day to get people to come out and have an assist. Some were intrigued, some were trying to be polite and others just looked at us like we were nuts. We did get a little cheeky and tried to sneak our tables back inside but due to some technical difficulties our cloaking device had malfunctioned and we were soon banished back outside.

    I think it was my second or third night when I woke in the middle of the night to find an SO member standing at the end of my bed, he just stood there like a statue and I felt like that poor guy Micah from the Paranormal Activity as his possessed girlfriend stood by the bed for hours just staring at him. What was he waiting for, me to grab him and drag him into my bed for a warm embrace? This SO member was such a prick he gave everyone a hard time and treated us like we were pond scum. I was glad when he was shipped off to Japan after their earthquake.

    We managed to weasel our way into the base camp where all of the emergency workers from all over the world were camped out. We told them we offered something similar to a massage to get in there but unlike the real massage therapists there who had a line up out the door, we had to hunt once again. We were met mostly with disinterest and at times curiosity and from my own observations, only about 1 in 10 thought it was great, the rest couldn’t wait to get out of there.

    I watched as other VM’s preyed on uniform, preferably the highest rank they could find and ask to have a photo with them. I would just cringe as I watched a female VM flirt and ask to wear the Policeman’s hat while putting her arm around him for the photo. All taken of course by the official SO photographer, who was always on hand for those special Kodak moments.

    Photo after photo with uniforms, it was not about them being so impressed with what we did and wanting a memento of the occasion, it was purely them being polite. I have an extremely well-functioning bullshit meter thanks to a long policing career and their gratitude was not genuine. The whole episode was just embarrassing. I could read their faces and we were nothing more than an annoyance and embarrassment.

    Then one day we were asked to pack up our tables and take a hike as allegedly an experienced VM who was also OT had touched a female police officer inappropriately. So I tracked down this person’s senior who told me as long as we left quietly and don’t return he would not take the matter further.

    The main operation centre was pumping with the Mayor, high ranking police and other emergency services from around the world all there to offer support. I was confronted by the Mayor’s wife on one occasion who made it very clear she was not happy we were there and I should not bother trying to recruit her, the local current affair show also warned people of our presence so I would have to say we were not welcomed with open arms!

    As if our presence couldn’t get any worse, what do I see coming out of the shadows but an SO member strutting his stuff wearing a hard hat, reflective vest and a nice new back pack. Seriously, you need to wear a hard hat in the safe zone like a knob, oh that’s right it’s free!

    If you couldn’t find VM’s just go over to the where the equipment was being issued, they almost needed a cart to haul their goods away! “Go over and get whatever you want, it’s all free”, they say. Really, we are that desperate for anything free that we would be willing to take it away from the emergency workers that desperately needed it!

    VM’s were walking around with rain coats, vests, back packs, steel capped boots, whatever they could get their greasy little hands on. There was also a sense of entitlement from some of them as if it was just in-flow after all of their out-flow. This did not sit well with me so I made it my mission to get them returned. I asked the person in charge of issuing of equipment how the supply was, “we are getting very low”, he tells me. I ask if it would help if items that were not needed or being used could be returned. “Absolutely”, he said. That was my next mission which made me super popular!

    Each day we were required to keep stats of how many assists, people helped, trained etc., which was recorded very generously. I recall giving training to one group of people who thought it was a bit of a joke and after talking among themselves just walked out, only a couple of people remained that were interested in what we were doing.

    I also felt the need to contact all local Scientologists to see if they were ok and needed any help. Every call was the same and I was met with defensiveness and silence as if they were waiting for the real reason I was calling. I quickly learnt to start each call with “I am not a staff member, I do not want your money, I do not want to sell you anything and I am not trying to confirm you for an event, I really want to know if you are ok and need any help”.

    I have heard Albert DeBeer the ED of Joburg Org call people that did not donate at fundraisers as “useless eaters” or something similar, well that is exactly what we all were in New Zealand. Using up resources and eating food provided for the real workers and the OT who worked his arse off by flowing theta for hours by sitting on the wall outside, so job well done I guess…

    Well that is my experience as a VM that started putting those nails in the coffin. I am now free of the church and their control.

    Something can be done about it…

    Yeah, just leave!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      $24,000,000 and counting

      • nottrue

        Touch me once and touch me twice….Ohhhh that feel good

      • shasha40

        Doing what they do best , robbing people . The Way to Poverty ( on all 8 dynamics ) , that’s what Slyentology is .

      • Nat-lificent

        XD

    • Missionary Kid

      I love the last two lines. I’m putting that on the list THINGS SAID ABOUT $CIENTOLOGY & DIANETICS (More than one line) http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/01/happy-new-year-2015-now-the-real-scientology-countdown-begins/#comment-1770021027
      It’s at the bottom, as it’s the newest.

      • Newiga

        I’m going through your lists and laughing my ass off! Thanks for making them, MK!

        • shasha40

          Isn’t she great for doing that for us ? Damn , wwe’ re spoiled . Thank you, MK ! Xoxo…

          • NOLAGirl

            He. ; )

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s what I did them for.
          Are you an ex, or never-in or?
          I’d like to know, if you want to tell.

          • Newiga

            A never-in. Fell down the rabbit hole roughly 2 years ago 😉

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks.
              You’ve been around long enough so you’re familiar with the inside jokes.

            • Newiga

              I lurked for a long time before I gathered enough courage to start commenting here. 😀

    • A Guest

      More Vulture Ministers…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        How do you all like my replacement? And I never wore bananas on stage either.

        • A Guest

          Really?! I’m sorry, THDNE. This must be a painful reminder then.

          But if you had to be a banana on stage, I’m sure you were the best banana in the bunch… and the most talented and beautiful one they’ve seen (well, except for this latest avi you’re wearing).

          Just like here in the Bunker, you’re the Top Banana!

          • shasha40

            Ditto ! But there are a lot of bananas in here ,bunches !

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            hahahaha. No, I’m pretty sure it’s the members who stayed despite everything are the ones who are sorry. They have to listen to them and Miscavige, over and over and over.

        • shasha40

          : D

      • Scream Nevermore

        Just….no….

    • Sherbet

      “Real massage therapists” bring their services when there’s a disaster?

      • A Guest

        Want us to declare ourselves “natural disasters” so we can access their services, Sherb?

        I could use a good massage therapist right about NOW!

        • Sherbet

          Hmmmm…I think you may be onto something. Or on something; I can’t tell.

          First thing in the morning, I AM a natural disaster.

      • Stacy

        Stress relief for the emergency workers?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I guess Travolta’s prostate massages are the best thing since powdered milk.

    • Stacy

      “I also felt the need to contact all local Scientologists to see if they were ok and needed any help. Every call was the same and I was met with defensiveness and silence as if they were waiting for the real reason I was calling. I quickly learnt to start each call with ‘I am not a staff member, I do not want your money, I do not want to sell you anything and I am not trying to confirm you for an event, I really want to know if you are ok and need any help.'”

      This type of call offering genuine help must be incredibly rare. And I’m betting that the people Ms. Marks actually spoke to thought she was just trying a new money-making ploy.

      I’d like to post Ms. Mark’s comments at the site of every disaster, preferably where the VM’s hang out. I want them to read about how embarrassing their presence is to everyone who has actual awareness of reality. Maybe it would get through to them and they’d stop trying to worm their way into areas where they’re not wanted and they’re just getting in the way of people who are doing REAL disaster relief work.

  • Illinoisian

    [Hey, it’s Thursday and approaching 2pm EST. Any trolls been by today working on their stats? — Just wondering.]

    • Observer

      Enders Anon dropped by earlier to complain we don’t answer his posts, but that’s all I’ve seen. I haven’t read all the posts though.

      • Stacy

        I missed that. How long ago was that?

        • Observer

          Three or four hours. It was in response to “Larry’s” satire post. Enders appeared to this no it was serious.

      • shasha40

        Why don’ t they wanna play , huh ? Sunday’ ll be a better day anyway , we’ ll be having a Par-tay in the Bunker for the premiere of , ” Going Clear ” ! Come on by , it’s gonna be a Blast !

      • Nat-lificent

        Haha! I will never respond to Enders Anon again now that I know that is what he/she wants.

    • Lucille Austero

      Where is Grasshopper when we need him?

      • Dr_Orpheus

        Grasshopper described Miscavige as a sociopath in a post today, so I can guarantee he or she is telling the truth about being an independent Scientologist rather than an OSA operative trying to strike an effective blow for the Daver.

        • Lucille Austero

          An indie, yes, I do agree.

          • Benfranklin

            Don’t be too hard on Indies, it takes them quite a bit of time to decompress and eventually come to realize that LRH is just as bad as Miscaviage, if not worse because he is the originator. As one commenter here once pointed out, not every Scientologist is Chris Shelton, Chris woke up and didn’t take long to see the full truth about Scientology like many do. He is an exception

            • Lucille Austero

              True. But a bunch of posts justifying some of teh tech is tiresome, to say the least.

      • Captain Howdy

        Back in the closet, tying himself in NOTs.

        • Lucille Austero

          Glad to see you 🙂

          • Captain Howdy

            ; )

          • A Guest

            There’s no rest for the wicked.

            Howdy had to get back on post as Troll Patrol because he heard there were… Well, you know…

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    Miss Fialkoff is an attractive young lady and looks so proud here. I feel sorry for her and what’s coming down the road.

  • Truthiwant

    I know who the other three people are in Alex Gibney’s film. We already know that Paul Haggis, Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Jason Beghe and Spanky Taylor will appear in it, but the other three names are:
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    • flyonthewall

      you tease!

    • shasha40

      You know you’re wrong for that . I can’ t believe I fell for it ! : D

  • Narconon WORKS! which is why all you drug dealers hate us.

    • Well, it used to work. Now that most people are on to this Scientology fraud it’s not working so well now, huh?

    • Benfranklin

      We don’t hate you, we just want you and Jenny to stop commiting suppressive acts full time.

    • flyonthewall

      Your counselors are my best clients! What are you talkin about!?

    • BFM

      Really? How come the commodore never quite got off his drugs and his successor is flushing away any bad media reports with liters of scotch? Or…maybe they didn’t do the IDEAL purification RD yet.

    • I hear that drug dealers love Narconon–such a captive market!

  • Regarding the East Grinstead Courier – I think they are sticking an empty helmet up over the parapet, to see if the CofS is going to shoot at it.

    England is a small country, and there are many local newspapers, with very small territories and small circulations. Traditionally, these publications depended on local advertising and the Internet has taken a substantial chunk out of their income. The same is, of course, true of newspapers all over the world – but these very small publications are particularly vulnerable.

    To give you and idea of how small – the figures from independent company which researches and compiles circulation figures reveal that, In 2014, the Courier (a traditional newspaper which you pay for) and the Observer (a free paper, with minimal editorial material, financed entirely by local advertising) together distributed 4,946 copies which were read by an estimated14,195 people. http://www.nasamedia.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/SE-inc-gtr-ldn-JUNE-20141.pdf

    Consequently, the Courier is understandably nervous about taking on the CofS. It does not have resources for the sort of protracted legal engagement which Scientology specialises in. On the other hand, it is at the centre of the UK action (Saint Hill Manor is on its beat) has a proud heritage of calling the CofS to account – and Scientology will likely soon be generating some mainstream news.

    Hence this article. The painfully uncontroversial text is carefully adapted more-or-less from Scientology publications. There is nothing there that the CofS can legitimately object to. The links to critical material are controversial – but the Courier is only reporting what other people have said, so there is basis for legal action against them there.

    If the CofS object to this article, the Courier will know that writing its own stories about coming events will likely attract serious CofS harassment (which they can ill afford). If there is no response, they can surmise that the CofS has its hands full elsewhere, and take a chance on (carefully) reporting Scientology stories, feeling out the ground as they go along.

    Watch this space (or rather, watch the Courier’s webspace).

    • Mark

      I’ve just put my own three-ha’pence worth in their webspace 😉 (F5)

      • Perhaps the Courier is also testing local support with an article that can be read either way.

        Responses like yours may encourage them to publish new critical stories. Too many congratulatory responses from Scientologists may discourage them.

    • shasha40

      Something tells me in the coming months , Scientology is going to be fair game for all reporters , papers , television, some will even join in on the J&D’ing we love doing here in the Bunker . Tick , tock , Davey … but do continue to amuse us with your footbullets .

      • I’m beginning to think that they still believe that Hubbard’s old tactic will work – to make an example of selected critics by coming down on them with overwhelming force, so as to discourage everyone else.

        Unfortunately for them, there are so many more media outlets now (including the Internet from which any invidual can publish worldwide). They can’t control them all.

        If they continue to use this tactic after open season has been declared on them, they will likely find it backfiring on them. The sheer injustice of it will attract new critics – and even Scientology does not have the resources to bring down overwhelming force on them all.

        In other words, their bluff will soon be called.

        • shasha40

          My sentiments exactly ! Scientology , the toothless dragon stuck in another era . I love the internet . 😉

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Hey, whales. About those $ millions you cough up for such expenses as a Super Bowl ad, don’t you ever wonder where the rest of the $999,300 goes each time? Have you seen Miscavige’s petty cash fund?

    “It’s also the first time both brands will be advertising during the Super Bowl, although there’s a slight caveat to that landmark: They have only paid for a regional advertising buy. The ad will only run in Pawnee City, Kitty Hawk and Los Gatos (yes, they were deliberately cat-themed) — meaning BuzzFeed and Friskies will be shelling out far
    less than the $4.5 million required to run a national ad spot during the big game. The Church of Scientology releases a “Super Bowl” ad in this way each year, while it emerged this week The Verge has paid just $700 for its “Super Bowl” slot, by advertising in one region alone

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/business/marketing/buzzfeed-s-first-ever-tv-ad-stars-cats-of-course/article/424206#ixzz3Pa4zV6J6

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Reuters

    Breaking News

    Park City, Utah

    Hurricane HBO Aftermath

    Merch Ant O.V. Kaos

    $cientology has announced that, following Hurricane HBO’s sinking of the Asbestos Albatross off the coasts of Bonaire, Aruba, Curacao, Cuba, Hispaniola, Trinidad and forty seven other Caribbean islands, they will now be purchasing a used Class IV nuclear submarine from their allies, the People’s Free Democratic Liberal Socialist Republic of North Korea.

    Spokesliar Karin Puow said that the choice of the IV Class was deliberate. “$cientology is on an IV drip and has been for some time. This will allow more drips to come into the Church – we already have eleventy billion drips in 4,747 churches in 470 countries in all 47 continents. The conning tower is particularly suited to our needs – we have never had a conning tower previously in our flotilla. Though hampered in our conning efforts, we were quite efficient. Now we expect to improve our performance by 47 orders of magnitude. The plumbing of spiritual depths will be much easier to accomplish in a con-trolled undersea environment, allowing parishioners a fully focused study environment.”

    It is thought that the Ideal IV will be entering service in spring of 2016, following an Ideal Round of postulating Ideal Funds for Ideal Refitting. It has been speculated that the ability of the Class IV to remain undersea and impossible to detect for as long as 24 months and it’s cruising range of 47,047 miles before requiring surfacing or servicing have also played a role in the purchase.

    In other related news, the highly respected medical journal, Page Not Found, in it’s Feb. issue, will publish definitive proof of the success of the HBO $cientology Purification Rundown. A sample of 25,000 participated in the study and after one month, a full 3,500 were fully clear of all signs of the dis-ease. A further 4,700 were experiencing alleviation of symptoms. A follow-up study is planned beginning March 16th.

    It is expected 76% will make a full recovery. Jails are being requisitioned for the remainder.

    • shasha40

      I can’ t wait to see what , Spokesliar Karin Pouw has to say at the premiere of , ” Going Clear ” this Sunday, what will be CoS’s counterattack , Karin ? Are you going to be posting giant billboards in Utah this weekend to counteract the films debut ? Inquiring minds want to know . 😀

      • Benfranklin

        I have a strange feeling that CoS may try to disrupt the Sundance festivities with staged protests by church members.

        • Lucille Austero

          That would be sweet 🙂

          • Benfranklin

            I am hoping that Sundance organizers are prepared for any shenanigans that CoS may try to pull to in order to stop the event from running smoothly

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            That would be perfect.

        • shasha40

          More publicity for , ” Going Clear ” and HBO . Whoop , whoop !!!

      • Panopea Abrupta
        • shasha40

          Oh Please dear Xenu ! Let it be .

    • BosonStark

      The Budapest Org can celebrate with a Little Mermaid Night. Whatever Kool-Aid they’re on seems to be regressing them to toddlers.

    • This will allow more drips to come into the Church — ROFL!

      the highly respected medical journal, Page Not Found — ROFL times 47!

  • Barb Snow

    Is it even possible that those connected with Narconon don’t know that they are lying to people; that money is more important than anything and that their help is not helpful??

    I am always skeptical when people claim to have fallen for Scientology because of a deep desire to help mankind. It seems impossible to me that they don’t know that what they are doing is neither kind nor helpful.

    • Juicer77

      The very low level workers (“counselors”) at each facility seem to be recent graduates, which gives you some idea of their state of mind and competency. I agree with you on the higher-ups, though. It’s all a sham – either for profit or for “soul-saving.” Either way, a total lie when it comes to getting someone off drugs. Even the low levels are not free from blame – they’ve found a spot to land where they can apparently score free drugs and sex whenever they wish. Must be a sweet deal compared to where they were before.

      • Stacy

        The people who are going to Narconon for help aren’t exactly coming from poor families. They couldn’t, not if they can afford the outrageous costs. So I’m not sure how being a counselor would be a sweet deal compared to “where they were before.”

        • Juicer77

          You’re right but generally they must be in pretty rough shape for a family member to pick up the phone. They may have been kicked out of their home, living with an abusive “friend” or any number of awful scenarios. On the whole I feel a great deal of sympathy for those who suffer with addiction but the NarCONon facilities must be a tempting place to regress and keep a roof over your head. Just my two cents.

          • Stacy

            I have a huge amount of sympathy for all addicts, too. I was just wondering if you were envisioning all of the clients-cum-counselors were living Skid Row kinds of lives before going for treatment. Most aren’t; we spend too much time buying into media stereotypes. 😉

        • shasha40

          Scientology will take out 40 credit cards in your name , moms name , max them out and your on the hook for those cards . You recieve nothing but bills ,bills , bills . Then when they’ ve bled you dry they’ ll treat you like used tissue . Which is why they need to , poof , be gone . Tick , tock , Davey

    • Stacy

      Sadly, I think for many in CoS, it is possible to be so deceived. For those selling Narconon to callers, I’m more inclined to agree with you. I think it would be much harder to be deceived and to deceive yourself in that situation.

      Exes, those who sell Narconon to the public, do they actually see what goes on in the Narconon facilities? Do they see the “counselors” bringing in drugs and sleeping with clients? See the lack of success?

      • shasha40

        I believe it’s called De Nile

  • Verve

    I’m a bit behind in catching up with my DVR’d shows, but a recent ‘Criminal Minds’ is scarily close to $ci.
    IMDB link-
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4175406/?ref_=ttep_ep1

    • Peggy Oconnor

      Thought the same thing

      • Ardent

        Probably intentional.

    • BosonStark

      They mention some real cults but fail to mention Scientology.
      Things that are similar to Scientology about the fictional cult in the story:
      1. Have to sign agreements to undergo the procedure (instead of Sauna, it’s Freezing, LOL).
      2. Disconnection.
      3. Stunned obedience to leader.
      4. Has a nonprofit front group which has nothing to do with their main thing but is used as a cover.
      5. Completion of levels, but only allowed to advance at approval of leaders.
      6. Children separated from parents and assigned handler, but not as much separation as Scientology.

  • nottrue

    What..no bids….

  • Kim O’Brien

    ON the Huffington Post ( link to Hollywood reporter) Tom Cruise / Scientology Documentary HBO

    fuck yeah

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bombshell-scientology-film-revealed-alex-764849

    • Dolly Jones

      Thanks for the link Kim 🙂

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Bags packed. Check. Cats and wrinkly dog sitters. Check. Laptop and chargers. Check. Make note to have a blast. Check. Snacks in laptop case. Check. Might be busy tomorrow, so wanted to make sure to wish you a spectacular once (at least) in a lifetime weekend. Oh – and I’ll buy a drink for your videographer. You will have video, right?

    http://i.imgur.com/zer73Un.jpg?1

    • Stacy

      Great idea THDNE. I was going to wait until tomorrow to tell our proprietor to have an awesome time, but maybe it’s better to do it today.

      Have an awesome time this weekend Tony!

    • Captain Howdy

      But can he ski? Remember the Bono!

    • shasha40

      Yeah , break a leg, Tony . We were patient and here it comes . So proud to be a part of your cool as community . Don’ t forget us little people . * camps out at keyboard from now so I’ ll have a front row seat on Sunday *

      • Suzy

        I’ve got my Sunday blocked off on my calendar, too

    • Truthiwant

      I’ve got my front-row seat already booked…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’ll be wearing my best pajamas!

      • DMSTCC

        Hope I can stay up late enough to catch the immediate comments.

      • Ella Raitch

        What’s your libation there Truthi?

        • Truthiwant

          It’s a bottle of Primitivo from the south of Italy.

      • Juicer77

        Primitivo – niiiiiiice 🙂

    • Nat-lificent

      Say “hi” to Danny Masterson from us.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        or Nicole Kidman. Hmmm, tough choice.

        • Ella Raitch

          Maybe Nicole Kidman will find Tony and thank him for all the laughs over the years.

  • this could be of interest to facebook users who despair at some of the clam posts….. http://www.dailydot.com/technology/facebook-bad-news-crackdown/

  • Truthiwant

    Danny Masterson, the actor and Scientologist, is going to be at the Sundance Film Festival.
    Is it not ironic that one of the films he acted in was called ‘The Bridge To Nowhere’

    • Destructor of Worlds
      • Phil McKraken

        One thing you might want to be right about is whether or not Scientology is a mind-fuck. A lot depends on that.

        • Destructor of Worlds

          He is one of the favorits in the Satanic sect he’s in. Untill he’s useless to them.

          Not like the slaves on the bottom but a golden child.

          • Prim

            Perfect. Satanic sect is a perfect description.

      • beauty for ashes

        I never used to like being beaten down emotionally, I always thought people who did that were assholes! Now i know not to try to be right, its a lot less pain.
        But frankly moreover I think I’m more religious the more pain I can take. (danny’s inner child)

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        “After auditing, I was able to have my thoughts, communicate them and never have to be right ever again.”

    • Benfranklin

      The best part is that Sundance Film Festival is going to be so full of SPs, he won’t have fun. Not Just any any SPs, but the biggest SPs on the planet according to CoS

      • Destructor of Worlds

        He will spot an insecure actress to suck into Scientology I’m sure.

        Like laura Prepon.

      • shasha40

        Oh , the enturbulation ! I can feel it in the air !

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Redford might rename it “The Sundancing SP’s Festival” after this year’s event.

        I just have to believe that Miscavige will be there, slinking in the back alleys, with a trail of his personal sycophants recording every word, everywhere, and he snickering and chortling at what a good boy he is. Can he possibly resist the lure of the adulation? Could Terl possibly just stand by while his Jonnie Goodboy, Marty, gets the spotlight and podium, not his Holey self?

        What I’m anxious to hear is if any whales are spotted lurking the shadows, because that would be just hot.

        http://i.imgur.com/VmChYcx.gif

        • Benfranklin

          I am sure they will try all sorts of things which may even include planting bugs into peoples hotel rooms, meeting, or dinning places. Using baits, decoys etc. The CoS PIs are going to make tons of money at the Sundance for sure

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I’d keep an eye out for a slow rolling limo with an RPF’r pushing it up the hills.

          • Ardent

            Pathetic isn’t it?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Oh man, I really hope a clam or a PI causes some kind of ruckus.

    • Nat-lificent

      Danny Masterson a.k.a. DJ Mom Jeans!
      “. . . at the SkullCandy event on Jan. 23 at The Downstairs. DJ Mom Jeans (Danny Masterson) and indie band Dorothy will also be performing throughout the night.”

      http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/sundance-film-festival-2015-celebrity-hotspots–2015221#ixzz3PaQHyRmA

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Sounds like heaven to me. So many choices – which party, which event, so much music. So much to see, hear, taste and so little time.

        Wait – there’s a mechanical beaver?! That’s almost as good as a mechanical squirrel – hell, close enough!

        • flyonthewall

          mechanical beaver!? ouch

          • Ardent

            😉

            • flyonthewall

              i was making a vagina joke and the wink means you caught it

            • Ardent

              Uh huh. Been around the block a few times, I have!

            • flyonthewall

              I like you Ardent, you’re a good bloke! So I bought you dinner

  • anonymous

    Narconon has traditionally been one of the cults biggest cash cows. While they obviously have enormous money reserves, this should speed up the day when they’re at least operating at a deficit. There aren’t enough new whales coming around to keep things going forever, and the existing ones will die off.

    • shasha40

      I just live for the day when , if you even say the word Scientologist , let alone claim to be one , it is Instant People repellent , whether you’re TC or JT but especially if you were the Pope . Isn’ t stoning acceptable in other religions ?

      • Ardent

        As far as I am concerned it IS a people repellent. I know what you mean, shasha

        • shasha40

          For those of us in the know .

    • ze moo

      Defectors from NarCONon report that ‘only’ 8-10 million per year are sent uplines to Narc International and the CO$. I have no idea how much ABLE pays in to the coffers.

      NarCONons utility is it is a supposed part of the public service programs the ‘chich’ runs. Good stuff like pasing out pamphlets at riots and giving massages at disasters. The clampire can tout such activities all they want, when real journalists investigate them they find the scam.

      ‘Donations’ are now the life blood of the clampire. Courses and training have taken a back of the bus place. Soon, the interest on all that hidden cash reserve will be the largest source of income.

  • Chee Chalker

    Whoisalexgibney.org in 3……2..……1………

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Already registered to Mr. Gibney

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s almost like he knows:)

        • Benfranklin

          Nowadays if you take away the .org, they register the .xxx to slander you. They have one .xxx site for TO

        • shasha40

          You know ..

      • Chee Chalker

        Very smart man…I hope those other ‘who is’ sites are mentioned in the documentary

  • Nat-lificent

    “Elaine” sure knows how to keep busy.