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	Comments on: Scientology attorneys ask Garcia judge &#8212; Keep Mike Rinder away from us!	</title>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2015 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-701857&quot;&gt;Jon Hunter&lt;/a&gt;.

1. gradual disintegration as orgs &quot;declare their independence&quot; or are bought by the celebrities.
2. He already has (probably near Creston, CA where LRH spent his last years
3. Yes, advertising on the internet and building mud huts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-701857">Jon Hunter</a>.</p>
<p>1. gradual disintegration as orgs &#8220;declare their independence&#8221; or are bought by the celebrities.<br />
2. He already has (probably near Creston, CA where LRH spent his last years<br />
3. Yes, advertising on the internet and building mud huts.</p>
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		By: Gus_Cox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2015 08:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703901&quot;&gt;Dolly Jones&lt;/a&gt;.

Odd, isn&#039;t it?  I&#039;ve run across just two or three people though, who at social gatherings pretended they knew all about it because &quot;they were in.&quot;  They weren&#039;t.  


Scientology and the effect it has on people is very complex.  Hubbard was complex, too.  To simply dismiss Hubbard as a charlatan is simply wrong.  Were he just a charlatan, why did he work so goddamned hard at it?  


Those pretenders pretended to have been scientologists to give their simplistic opinions and explanations some weight.  I have been out for many years, and I still find things about myself that I need to shed, because they are scientology things, not normal people things.  There is a lot of crap that goes deep having been truly in the damned cult, and somebody who has just read about it can&#039;t just pretend and spout simplistic bullshit - at least not while I&#039;m around :-)  


Now, that&#039;s very different from somebody such as yourself who does not pretend to have been a clam - You are always welcome to ask questions and give opinions  - it&#039;s just when somebody pretends to be a current or ex-clam that bothers me, and I can always tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703901">Dolly Jones</a>.</p>
<p>Odd, isn&#8217;t it?  I&#8217;ve run across just two or three people though, who at social gatherings pretended they knew all about it because &#8220;they were in.&#8221;  They weren&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Scientology and the effect it has on people is very complex.  Hubbard was complex, too.  To simply dismiss Hubbard as a charlatan is simply wrong.  Were he just a charlatan, why did he work so goddamned hard at it?  </p>
<p>Those pretenders pretended to have been scientologists to give their simplistic opinions and explanations some weight.  I have been out for many years, and I still find things about myself that I need to shed, because they are scientology things, not normal people things.  There is a lot of crap that goes deep having been truly in the damned cult, and somebody who has just read about it can&#8217;t just pretend and spout simplistic bullshit &#8211; at least not while I&#8217;m around 🙂  </p>
<p>Now, that&#8217;s very different from somebody such as yourself who does not pretend to have been a clam &#8211; You are always welcome to ask questions and give opinions  &#8211; it&#8217;s just when somebody pretends to be a current or ex-clam that bothers me, and I can always tell.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-708795&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

oops It flew out of my hands before I could send you this one.. So you have a choice puppy.. xo baby]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-708795">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>oops It flew out of my hands before I could send you this one.. So you have a choice puppy.. xo baby</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-708763&quot;&gt;LeahRocks&lt;/a&gt;.

Merry Christmas baby puppy.. ( I lightened your avi up a little for ya)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-708763">LeahRocks</a>.</p>
<p>Merry Christmas baby puppy.. ( I lightened your avi up a little for ya)</p>
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		By: LeahRocks		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeahRocks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2014 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-702665&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Puppy would love a hat!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-702665">Baby</a>.</p>
<p>Puppy would love a hat!</p>
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		By: Peggy Oconnor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peggy Oconnor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2014 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When is the IRS going to revoke this so called &quot;church&quot; status as it is clear, (sorry) to anyone that this is a business that is all about, &quot;SHOW ME THE MONEY&quot;!  Even lower life forms can figure this out now, come on IRS wake up!  Are they all Scions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is the IRS going to revoke this so called &#8220;church&#8221; status as it is clear, (sorry) to anyone that this is a business that is all about, &#8220;SHOW ME THE MONEY&#8221;!  Even lower life forms can figure this out now, come on IRS wake up!  Are they all Scions?</p>
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		By: ObsessedReader		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObsessedReader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703273&quot;&gt;Tory Christman&lt;/a&gt;.

Tory, your bravery, intelligence and determination make you a force to be reckoned with! It must bother the heck out of DM that he can&#039;t scare or intimidate you. TT davey boy :-). I really enjoy your videos and facebook posts and hope you have a book in the works! I would love to read your story from the beginning - do you have that online anywhere? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703273">Tory Christman</a>.</p>
<p>Tory, your bravery, intelligence and determination make you a force to be reckoned with! It must bother the heck out of DM that he can&#8217;t scare or intimidate you. TT davey boy :-). I really enjoy your videos and facebook posts and hope you have a book in the works! I would love to read your story from the beginning &#8211; do you have that online anywhere? </p>
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		By: indie8million		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indie8million]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703688&quot;&gt;The Dude&lt;/a&gt;.

I know. And then, put the mother in ethics because she was upset and squalking about it. SHE is the problem because she&#039;s making noise about it. HANDLE HER! 

Well, she handled herself and ended up leaving. This was a totally tone 40 volunteer who donated thousands of hours in many substantial ways. UPSTAT? Who cares.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703688">The Dude</a>.</p>
<p>I know. And then, put the mother in ethics because she was upset and squalking about it. SHE is the problem because she&#8217;s making noise about it. HANDLE HER! </p>
<p>Well, she handled herself and ended up leaving. This was a totally tone 40 volunteer who donated thousands of hours in many substantial ways. UPSTAT? Who cares.</p>
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		By: Stacy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703838&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

I think Dolly is a woman. I think she&#039;s just a CLem fan, and that&#039;s why she has a male avatar. But I&#039;m just making assumptions, I don&#039;t know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703838">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>I think Dolly is a woman. I think she&#8217;s just a CLem fan, and that&#8217;s why she has a male avatar. But I&#8217;m just making assumptions, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		By: Stacy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703884&quot;&gt;Cosmo Pidgeon&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the biggest problem I have with most organized religions, whether they&#039;re cults or not. The vindictiveness that&#039;s occurred in the name of their god or their church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/16/scientology-attorneys-ask-garcia-judge-keep-mike-rinder-away-from-us/comment-page-1/#comment-703884">Cosmo Pidgeon</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the biggest problem I have with most organized religions, whether they&#8217;re cults or not. The vindictiveness that&#8217;s occurred in the name of their god or their church.</p>
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