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		By: PoisonIvyHerself		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690019&quot;&gt;J. Swift&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen, Jeff.]]></description>
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<p>Amen, Jeff.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2014 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I couldn&#039;t quite make out the last line... &quot;Don&#039;t be afraid of the bumps... on his &#039;head&#039;&quot;?

There was only the one bump,right? The sebaceous cyst.. full of pus and fluid... The one right between his shoulders, with the beak-like lips and piggy eyes?]]></description>
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<p>There was only the one bump,right? The sebaceous cyst.. full of pus and fluid&#8230; The one right between his shoulders, with the beak-like lips and piggy eyes?</p>
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		By: scottishinlondon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-689882&quot;&gt;LHS&lt;/a&gt;.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no_elVGGgW8]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-689882">LHS</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no_elVGGgW8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no_elVGGgW8</a></p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690019&quot;&gt;J. Swift&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting, Jeffrey, as always--

In fact, my research has shown that Scientologists a really only allowed to lie two times a day-- Day time and Night Time (on Daylight Savings Time, the lies are kept in a moisture-controlled vault until they can be dumped en masse in a television spot, or vomited from the mouth of Karen Pouw, Tommy Davis or any of Davey&#039;s Cut-Outs...]]></description>
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<p>Interesting, Jeffrey, as always&#8211;</p>
<p>In fact, my research has shown that Scientologists a really only allowed to lie two times a day&#8211; Day time and Night Time (on Daylight Savings Time, the lies are kept in a moisture-controlled vault until they can be dumped en masse in a television spot, or vomited from the mouth of Karen Pouw, Tommy Davis or any of Davey&#8217;s Cut-Outs&#8230;</p>
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		By: Alex De Valera		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex De Valera]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690019&quot;&gt;J. Swift&lt;/a&gt;.

·  I agree entirely with you describing the Scientology Organisation as &quot;fascist transnational capitalist organization masquerading as a religion&quot; is perfectly accurate. I call it a &quot;transnational, totalitarian money extortion racket.&quot; It pretended to be &quot;science&quot; but it became a religion to avoid labour laws and taxes. What other tax exempt &quot;charity&quot; as non profit corporations are called in England, would need such &quot;staff contracts&quot;, gag orders, a crowd of 800 dollars/hour attorneys and all the security and private investigators. When you are in a non profit corporation, there is no security, no gag orders, no harassing of any critics and you don&#039;t call extortion by the name of &quot;donation&quot;. If there are critics, you ignore them and keep doing you work or if necessary you question your self and ask &quot;is there anything we have missed?  Is there anything we could reform or do better? There are many words that should not ever be related to Scientology and these are : Religion, spirituality, ecclesiastical, scriptures, religious order, faith,  enlightenment, self-determination, philosophy,  freedom, human rights, generosity, compassion, wisdom, knowledge, greatness, apostate, minister, penitent privilege, confession, excommunication. If any of these words are linked somehow to Scientology, it is the work of corrupt lawyers like Eric Lieberman, David Schindler, Monique Yingling and the work of blind OSA rondroids that in spite of all the contradicting evidence have managed to make the press think of Scientology as a controversial &quot;religion&quot;. Scientology is fascist for various reasons: the first one is the infallibility of the leader, the second one the overwhelming importance of the group crushing all individual aspirations as frivolous and dilettante and the third one, the totalitarian control that the organisation exerts on its members who are most willing to tell all their little secrets the the &quot;KGB-Stasi handler&quot; (sorry, the MAA) thinking that they will be never used against them. On top of that no Scientologist would ever dream that he has been subjected to a mind control program! of course not it is done subtly, with the trs, study tech to divert your attention and keep you looking for words so that you don&#039;t question &quot;source&quot; because of course &quot;source&quot; could not be wrong. It is a gradual indoctrination that eliminates your freedom  and transforms it into total compliance with the organisation, and total deification of L. Ron Hubbard. The only thing Hubbard didn&#039;t fail is making millions of dollars and selling people &quot;a piece of sky&quot;. I wonder what he thought when Miscavige withdraw all assistance and went gambling with the whole bunch, while he was unable to speak and dying in the Blue bird motor home in Creston.
You are right Swift, in Scientology as in Hubbard there has always been 1) what they say: the PR image, acceptable truth or &quot;shore story&quot; and 2) What they are hiding and don&#039;t want you to see because it is rather unacceptable to wogs or exes and of course it would lead to criminal prosecution.
 
A de V]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690019">J. Swift</a>.</p>
<p>·  I agree entirely with you describing the Scientology Organisation as &#8220;fascist transnational capitalist organization masquerading as a religion&#8221; is perfectly accurate. I call it a &#8220;transnational, totalitarian money extortion racket.&#8221; It pretended to be &#8220;science&#8221; but it became a religion to avoid labour laws and taxes. What other tax exempt &#8220;charity&#8221; as non profit corporations are called in England, would need such &#8220;staff contracts&#8221;, gag orders, a crowd of 800 dollars/hour attorneys and all the security and private investigators. When you are in a non profit corporation, there is no security, no gag orders, no harassing of any critics and you don&#8217;t call extortion by the name of &#8220;donation&#8221;. If there are critics, you ignore them and keep doing you work or if necessary you question your self and ask &#8220;is there anything we have missed?  Is there anything we could reform or do better? There are many words that should not ever be related to Scientology and these are : Religion, spirituality, ecclesiastical, scriptures, religious order, faith,  enlightenment, self-determination, philosophy,  freedom, human rights, generosity, compassion, wisdom, knowledge, greatness, apostate, minister, penitent privilege, confession, excommunication. If any of these words are linked somehow to Scientology, it is the work of corrupt lawyers like Eric Lieberman, David Schindler, Monique Yingling and the work of blind OSA rondroids that in spite of all the contradicting evidence have managed to make the press think of Scientology as a controversial &#8220;religion&#8221;. Scientology is fascist for various reasons: the first one is the infallibility of the leader, the second one the overwhelming importance of the group crushing all individual aspirations as frivolous and dilettante and the third one, the totalitarian control that the organisation exerts on its members who are most willing to tell all their little secrets the the &#8220;KGB-Stasi handler&#8221; (sorry, the MAA) thinking that they will be never used against them. On top of that no Scientologist would ever dream that he has been subjected to a mind control program! of course not it is done subtly, with the trs, study tech to divert your attention and keep you looking for words so that you don&#8217;t question &#8220;source&#8221; because of course &#8220;source&#8221; could not be wrong. It is a gradual indoctrination that eliminates your freedom  and transforms it into total compliance with the organisation, and total deification of L. Ron Hubbard. The only thing Hubbard didn&#8217;t fail is making millions of dollars and selling people &#8220;a piece of sky&#8221;. I wonder what he thought when Miscavige withdraw all assistance and went gambling with the whole bunch, while he was unable to speak and dying in the Blue bird motor home in Creston.<br />
You are right Swift, in Scientology as in Hubbard there has always been 1) what they say: the PR image, acceptable truth or &#8220;shore story&#8221; and 2) What they are hiding and don&#8217;t want you to see because it is rather unacceptable to wogs or exes and of course it would lead to criminal prosecution.</p>
<p>A de V</p>
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		By: Nat-lificent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690288&quot;&gt;Eivol Ekdal&lt;/a&gt;.

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		By: Jimmy3		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690283&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

Uhh, Tony said that, not Hubbard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690283">Barbara Angel</a>.</p>
<p>Uhh, Tony said that, not Hubbard.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-689599&quot;&gt;Richard Grant&lt;/a&gt;.

Some of the ex INCOMM programmers, Johan Berlin in particular, give incredible insight into the mentality.  I too wrote of much of the history I saw and lived, I was INCOMM staff for a couple years in the middle of my mistaken total dupe staffer Sea Org career.


Perforated printouts, the backups on the large tapes, I mean we were always 15 years out of date, but since the shift when an Aussie Scientologist named Paul Wilmshurst joined INCOMM, they actually modernized.


In keeping with this thread, and for FUTURE note, Aussies should take note that one of their own is the top brain in Scientology&#039;s computer organization.


Paul Wilmshurst!


Remember that name, someday he will make a stellar defector with all of the modern history, he&#039;s gonna be a good defector someday!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-689599">Richard Grant</a>.</p>
<p>Some of the ex INCOMM programmers, Johan Berlin in particular, give incredible insight into the mentality.  I too wrote of much of the history I saw and lived, I was INCOMM staff for a couple years in the middle of my mistaken total dupe staffer Sea Org career.</p>
<p>Perforated printouts, the backups on the large tapes, I mean we were always 15 years out of date, but since the shift when an Aussie Scientologist named Paul Wilmshurst joined INCOMM, they actually modernized.</p>
<p>In keeping with this thread, and for FUTURE note, Aussies should take note that one of their own is the top brain in Scientology&#8217;s computer organization.</p>
<p>Paul Wilmshurst!</p>
<p>Remember that name, someday he will make a stellar defector with all of the modern history, he&#8217;s gonna be a good defector someday!</p>
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		By: Tracy Schmitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tracy Schmitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690287&quot;&gt;Whiskeyjack&lt;/a&gt;.

i read this too, but how does this mean that cruise even KNEW about any of this? the whole mudslide story ruining cruise and kidman&#039;s fun was because the mudslide ruined the field of flowers and what not that cruise had said he wanted to run thru and play with kidman in... i don&#039;t think cruise would have a clue that such a off hand remark was actually trying to come true in scientolgists building such a field for him and kidman.. consequently he wouldn&#039;t have any idea about any mudslide ruining it.... and of course NO ONE would have told him i don&#039;t think either &quot;mr.cruise well we were creating that field you wanted for you and nicole but it got ruined by the recent mudslide, blah, blah, blah&quot;.. and so therefore i don&#039;t think cruise would even be aware that miscavige punished everyone for a unforeseeable act of nature..you have to remember cruise has been BEYOND butt kissed by this cult for decades. he is presented that EVERYTHING 24/7 is always perfect and good and well run by his &quot;faith&quot; whether it&#039;s the people, the base, their buildings, ALL OF IT....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/12/05/steve-cannane-has-scientology-book-news-and-helps-us-with-a-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-690287">Whiskeyjack</a>.</p>
<p>i read this too, but how does this mean that cruise even KNEW about any of this? the whole mudslide story ruining cruise and kidman&#8217;s fun was because the mudslide ruined the field of flowers and what not that cruise had said he wanted to run thru and play with kidman in&#8230; i don&#8217;t think cruise would have a clue that such a off hand remark was actually trying to come true in scientolgists building such a field for him and kidman.. consequently he wouldn&#8217;t have any idea about any mudslide ruining it&#8230;. and of course NO ONE would have told him i don&#8217;t think either &#8220;mr.cruise well we were creating that field you wanted for you and nicole but it got ruined by the recent mudslide, blah, blah, blah&#8221;.. and so therefore i don&#8217;t think cruise would even be aware that miscavige punished everyone for a unforeseeable act of nature..you have to remember cruise has been BEYOND butt kissed by this cult for decades. he is presented that EVERYTHING 24/7 is always perfect and good and well run by his &#8220;faith&#8221; whether it&#8217;s the people, the base, their buildings, ALL OF IT&#8230;.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vaquera]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 15:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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I asked Santa for cashier&#039;s check. Saves space. ]]></description>
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<p>I asked Santa for cashier&#8217;s check. Saves space. </p>
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