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		By: sookiesookie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-666638&quot;&gt;C.M.&lt;/a&gt;.

In my experience, the most valuable things I&#039;ve done don&#039;t give a giant rush of euphoria, just a feeling of integrity (and they may be actually unpleasant at the time) but their good effects increase with time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-666638">C.M.</a>.</p>
<p>In my experience, the most valuable things I&#8217;ve done don&#8217;t give a giant rush of euphoria, just a feeling of integrity (and they may be actually unpleasant at the time) but their good effects increase with time.</p>
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		By: sookiesookie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sookiesookie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-666151&quot;&gt;Snake Plissken&lt;/a&gt;.

I just watched &quot;Escape From New York&quot; last night for the first time. You sir, are a badass. (All this time I thought your name was based on the guy that LRH claimed to have met on his cruise through the Panama Canal.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-666151">Snake Plissken</a>.</p>
<p>I just watched &#8220;Escape From New York&#8221; last night for the first time. You sir, are a badass. (All this time I thought your name was based on the guy that LRH claimed to have met on his cruise through the Panama Canal.)</p>
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		By: sookiesookie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sookiesookie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-670574&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

The more this guy writes, the creepier he appears. Glad you have a good memory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-670574">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>The more this guy writes, the creepier he appears. Glad you have a good memory.</p>
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		By: Robert Eckert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Eckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-670498&quot;&gt;deathtoallpoliticians&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; what troubles me is that you did not post the entire thread leading up to my comment to you. therefore, i have to assume that you replied back to me in an ad hominem manner&quot; You are once again pretending not to have any knowledge about YOUR OWN ACTIONS.  You do not &quot;have to assume&quot; anything.  You know goddamn well that you burst into that discussion out of nowhere.  You had never been on that board before.  Remember, just a couple posts ago you were pretending that you had never heard of it until just now? 

&quot;care to post the entire thread from mediabistro or are you afraid of exposing your own actions as well? &quot; You can search mediabistro for yourself.  The entirety of my postings there is contained in that screenshot.

&quot;3 or more bannings from this site constitute more than an infrequent occasion as you seem to say&quot; You must be very new to the Internet.

&quot;you provided to me exactly 1 screen shot of me replying to you.&quot; After you have lyingly denied, over a dozen times, ever having made such a post.

&quot; it seems to me that you are embarrassed and ashamed of your own comments in the very same thread.&quot; I showed you the comments I made.  What the fuck are you talking about?

&quot;how is this even remotely enough to have me banned as a bunkerite?&quot; The last two sentences of the post you made are identical to what the &quot;lifter&quot; personas posted, over and over and over and over and  over again, on Radar Online.  You refuse to provide any explanation for this fact.  Possibly you are lifter, and forgot which sock you were logged in on when you stalked me to mediabistro (I do not believe there is any explanation for why you were on that board at all other than following my commenting activity).  Possibly you and he are two people among a stable of trolls who share multiple accounts.  Possibly you simply saw it on Radar while you were following my comments and liked the attack you copied it.

&quot;seems to me that you need to lay off and let mr. ortega do the banning&quot; He needs to be informed if people he has banned are sneaking back.  He can make his own decisions at that point, decisions which I respect.  He decided not to ban you, so I have had zero interactions with you until you decided to have this out.

&quot;care to send me the &quot;rape&quot; post? the only comment i have had recently deleted by mr. ortega was the one wherein i stated that i would like to fill ms. devocht&#039;s mouth in order to silence her&quot; That&#039;s the one.  It is very sad that you cannot recognize the inappropriateness of suggesting forcible sex.

&quot;you say that there is another rape comment that i made?&quot; No, I said there was there was one comment, which Tony deleted from the Bunker and which was reposted on the YouTube thread.

&quot; i say provide it.&quot;  I don&#039;t owe you a fucking thing.  You know your own actions.  If you are forgetful, you can look at the YouTube thread yourself.  If you have erased it from the YouTube thread, you should be aware that the YouTube post was screencapped by a Bunkerite, not myself, shortly after it was made.

&quot;wtf are you talking about &quot;frank serpico account&quot;?&quot; That is the name under which your post about oral rape of Jenny appeared on YouTube after it was deleted here.

&quot; i have already admitted that the mediabistro post seems to be me&quot; You have lied over and over about making that post until it is rubbed in your face that the evidence is preserved.

&quot;given your most recent post here, an apology from me is the very last thing you should expect&quot; What makes you think I would ever expect anything from you except dishonesty and viciousness?

&quot;do you not want mr. ortega and others to see how you provoked such an attack?&quot; I demand that you send proof of the existence of any such attack.

&quot;since you have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, my very reasoning for using such a screen name, i will remind you&quot; I have not forgotten.  I DON&#039;T GIVE A RAT&#039;S ASS what your politics are.  I don&#039;t come to the Bunker to talk politics.  I tell DamOTClese to knock it off when he denounces &quot;Christanic Rethuglicans&quot;, I tell SkipPres to knock it off when he denounces &quot;libtards&quot;, I tell Mooser to knock it off when he denounces &quot;Zionist infiltrators&quot;.  Discussions about the failings of Christianity or Islam are equally irrelevant deflections, of the type that the OSA loves to derail off onto.

&quot;i love your ad hominem attack against me in that you accuse me of a being a &quot;lying scumbag&quot;. &quot; It is a simple factual observation that you have lied, repeatedly, despite how stupid it is to lie to someone who knows you are lying.  Who are trying to convince?  There is something very pathological about the compulsiveness of this.

&quot;you have given me only one post as evidence&quot; It is conclusive evidence as to the fact that you are a compulsive liar.

&quot;like that is the be all, end all and that i should be banned for such&quot;  It is also evidence that you copy lifter posts.  Tony did not decide to ban you, so fine, that&#039;s his board and his call, so I disengaged from you entirely.

&quot;i have tried to make peace with you&quot; Bullshit.  We had been at perfect peace, not speaking to one another at all.  You decided to start a fight again, telling lies about how you never did what you and I both knew from the start that you did, demanding that I not know what I know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-670498">deathtoallpoliticians</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; what troubles me is that you did not post the entire thread leading up to my comment to you. therefore, i have to assume that you replied back to me in an ad hominem manner&#8221; You are once again pretending not to have any knowledge about YOUR OWN ACTIONS.  You do not &#8220;have to assume&#8221; anything.  You know goddamn well that you burst into that discussion out of nowhere.  You had never been on that board before.  Remember, just a couple posts ago you were pretending that you had never heard of it until just now? </p>
<p>&#8220;care to post the entire thread from mediabistro or are you afraid of exposing your own actions as well? &#8221; You can search mediabistro for yourself.  The entirety of my postings there is contained in that screenshot.</p>
<p>&#8220;3 or more bannings from this site constitute more than an infrequent occasion as you seem to say&#8221; You must be very new to the Internet.</p>
<p>&#8220;you provided to me exactly 1 screen shot of me replying to you.&#8221; After you have lyingly denied, over a dozen times, ever having made such a post.</p>
<p>&#8221; it seems to me that you are embarrassed and ashamed of your own comments in the very same thread.&#8221; I showed you the comments I made.  What the fuck are you talking about?</p>
<p>&#8220;how is this even remotely enough to have me banned as a bunkerite?&#8221; The last two sentences of the post you made are identical to what the &#8220;lifter&#8221; personas posted, over and over and over and over and  over again, on Radar Online.  You refuse to provide any explanation for this fact.  Possibly you are lifter, and forgot which sock you were logged in on when you stalked me to mediabistro (I do not believe there is any explanation for why you were on that board at all other than following my commenting activity).  Possibly you and he are two people among a stable of trolls who share multiple accounts.  Possibly you simply saw it on Radar while you were following my comments and liked the attack you copied it.</p>
<p>&#8220;seems to me that you need to lay off and let mr. ortega do the banning&#8221; He needs to be informed if people he has banned are sneaking back.  He can make his own decisions at that point, decisions which I respect.  He decided not to ban you, so I have had zero interactions with you until you decided to have this out.</p>
<p>&#8220;care to send me the &#8220;rape&#8221; post? the only comment i have had recently deleted by mr. ortega was the one wherein i stated that i would like to fill ms. devocht&#8217;s mouth in order to silence her&#8221; That&#8217;s the one.  It is very sad that you cannot recognize the inappropriateness of suggesting forcible sex.</p>
<p>&#8220;you say that there is another rape comment that i made?&#8221; No, I said there was there was one comment, which Tony deleted from the Bunker and which was reposted on the YouTube thread.</p>
<p>&#8221; i say provide it.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t owe you a fucking thing.  You know your own actions.  If you are forgetful, you can look at the YouTube thread yourself.  If you have erased it from the YouTube thread, you should be aware that the YouTube post was screencapped by a Bunkerite, not myself, shortly after it was made.</p>
<p>&#8220;wtf are you talking about &#8220;frank serpico account&#8221;?&#8221; That is the name under which your post about oral rape of Jenny appeared on YouTube after it was deleted here.</p>
<p>&#8221; i have already admitted that the mediabistro post seems to be me&#8221; You have lied over and over about making that post until it is rubbed in your face that the evidence is preserved.</p>
<p>&#8220;given your most recent post here, an apology from me is the very last thing you should expect&#8221; What makes you think I would ever expect anything from you except dishonesty and viciousness?</p>
<p>&#8220;do you not want mr. ortega and others to see how you provoked such an attack?&#8221; I demand that you send proof of the existence of any such attack.</p>
<p>&#8220;since you have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, my very reasoning for using such a screen name, i will remind you&#8221; I have not forgotten.  I DON&#8217;T GIVE A RAT&#8217;S ASS what your politics are.  I don&#8217;t come to the Bunker to talk politics.  I tell DamOTClese to knock it off when he denounces &#8220;Christanic Rethuglicans&#8221;, I tell SkipPres to knock it off when he denounces &#8220;libtards&#8221;, I tell Mooser to knock it off when he denounces &#8220;Zionist infiltrators&#8221;.  Discussions about the failings of Christianity or Islam are equally irrelevant deflections, of the type that the OSA loves to derail off onto.</p>
<p>&#8220;i love your ad hominem attack against me in that you accuse me of a being a &#8220;lying scumbag&#8221;. &#8221; It is a simple factual observation that you have lied, repeatedly, despite how stupid it is to lie to someone who knows you are lying.  Who are trying to convince?  There is something very pathological about the compulsiveness of this.</p>
<p>&#8220;you have given me only one post as evidence&#8221; It is conclusive evidence as to the fact that you are a compulsive liar.</p>
<p>&#8220;like that is the be all, end all and that i should be banned for such&#8221;  It is also evidence that you copy lifter posts.  Tony did not decide to ban you, so fine, that&#8217;s his board and his call, so I disengaged from you entirely.</p>
<p>&#8220;i have tried to make peace with you&#8221; Bullshit.  We had been at perfect peace, not speaking to one another at all.  You decided to start a fight again, telling lies about how you never did what you and I both knew from the start that you did, demanding that I not know what I know.</p>
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		By: deathtoallpoliticians		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-669055&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

wow. i have the instinctive, knee-jerk reaction to say something very derogatory to you in response but i will lay off of it. i did most certainly receive your email of a post (don&#039;t worry about spam from me. obviously, the less contact i have with you, the better) and it is definitely me. i will not deny it. but, what troubles me is that you did not post the entire thread leading up to my comment to you. therefore, i have to assume that you replied back to me in an ad hominem manner. i, then, hit you back in the very same manner. care to post the entire thread from mediabistro or are you afraid of exposing your own actions as well? now, i will respond as best i can to the remaining of your allegations:

1. i was going to apologize to you for the mediabistro post but, after your very response here on the bunker, i have decided otherwise. since you have failed to post the entire thread on mediabistro, including your posts, i am forced to wonder why (see above)?

2. you are wrong about me not being banned as a bunkerite. mr. ortgea has chosen, as best as i can tell, not to ban me because you have no good cause and have failed to make your case for such an action.

3. for someone who fancies himself as a bunker policeman, 3 or more bannings from this site constitute more than an infrequent occasion as you seem to say. once again, had you provided any proof, mr. ortge would have banned me without a second thought. it seems to me that he removes trolls as they appear. your dispute of this belies the very fact of mr. ortega&#039;s actions.

4. wow. you provided to me exactly 1 screen shot of me replying to you. you actually consider this as evidence or some kind of proof that i should be banned? as i said, i was going to apologize to you until i read your response and the fact that you did not provide the entire thread. it seems to me that you are embarrassed and ashamed of your own comments in the very same thread. i have to ask again, why did you not provide the entire thread? and, also, is this all you have? how is this even remotely enough to have me banned as a bunkerite? keep in mind, the fact that we loath each other is not a proper or adequate reason to have me banned as a bunkerite no matter how your feelings have been hurt. your actions make me chuckle because i could care less what you think. i have never run to mr. ortega to have you banned no matter what you have said to me. yet, you cry and whine and send a solitary screen shot to mr. ortega about what i post?

5. mr. ortgea also said that you needed to stop your witch hunts. i am not the only bunkerite that you have mistreated. seems to me that you need to lay off and let mr. ortega do the banning. you are nothing in the bunker and, most certainly, not the police of such. you really need to stop. in case you dispute this point, please provide the mr. ortega post wherein he asked you to go after trolls. good luck with that; you will need it since it does not exist. another worthless and unwarranted thought of grandeur derived in your own mind.

6. care to send me the &quot;rape&quot; post? the only comment i have had recently deleted by mr. ortega was the one wherein i stated that i would like to fill ms.  devocht&#039;s mouth in order to silence her. truth be told, i still consider her to be very attractive, scientology ravings aside, and would gladly engage in a sexual throw down with her at any time (just being honest here). you say that there is another rape comment that i made? i say provide it. i do not trust you or your memory based on what you have posted here.

7. wtf are you talking about &quot;frank serpico account&quot;? i have never utilized such a screen name and demand that you provide proof of such. i have only used &quot;deathtoallpoliticians&quot; as my google screen name, and that includes any google play accounts for the games i have on my tablets (although, i do use &quot;i8yourflesh&quot; on mlb p.i. and madden football and &quot;jumping for joy&quot; on big fish casino because &quot;deathtoallpoliticians&quot; is too long to use given the allotted space).

8. i have already admitted that the mediabistro post seems to be me.  but, given your most recent post here, an apology from me is the very last thing you should expect (although i was going to until i read said post). however, i find it interesting that you failed to post the entire thread. why have you failed to do so? are you embarrassed by your attacks on me prior to my post? do you not want mr. ortega and others to see how you provoked such an attack? your lack of the entire thread is damning to your allegations.

9. whether or not you consider my screen name of &quot;deathtoallpoliticans&quot; as appropriate means nothing to me. since you have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, my very reasoning for using such a screen name, i will remind you: in my 38 years of life on this planet and as a united states citizen, no politician, whether they be a republican or democrat, has done anything for me but caused me more taxes, headaches and red tape. not a one. time was i used to be a democrat (in high school). then i switched to a republican as i realized what a scumbag the clintons are. then, i finally came to the realization that no matter the political affiliation of any particular candidate, said candidate could care less about me because i did not donate millions to their respective campaigns nor did i control any major corporation or enterprise. seems to me that i am a normal citizen, like the vast majority of americans. yet, we get no proper representation from those we elect from our crappy 2 party system. that is why i adopted my long deceased grandfather&#039;s approach to politicians. he was a great man who fought with the u.s. army air force in operation torch during ww2 and was a farmer and carpenter after the war. in recognizing that our 2 party system would be the eventual destruction of this great nation, the best on this planet, he stated &quot;all of these politicians, both republicans and democrats, need to be taken out back behind my barn and given a .45 caliber solution to the back of the head so we can start over&quot;. hence, my screen name of &quot;deathtoallpoliticians&quot;. and, before you go crying and whining as is your usual, i wish to remind you of thomas jefferson&#039;s quote of &quot;the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. it is its natural manure&quot;. my grandfather, and i, wholeheartedly agree(d) with this thinking and it is also one of the main reasons for my screen name. care to accuse thomas jefferson of advocating mass murder? yeah, i thought not. so, what makes me, or my grandfather, bless his soul (he died of leukemia in the early 80&#039;s), any different?

10. you are wrong, whether you chose to admit it or not. it is truly tough to teach an old dog new tricks, as they say. and, i love your ad hominem attack against me in that you accuse me of a being a &quot;lying scumbag&quot;. you have given me only one post as evidence and acted like that is the be all, end all and that i should be banned for such. again, you have failed in your burden of proof. and i can say that even if you are held to the lower civil standard of &quot;beyond a preponderance of the evidence&quot;. once again, whether you feel that my screen name is appropriate matters not to me. unlike you, i can look past a simple screen name and judge a poster based on  his/her content.

11. where is your evidence and/or proof to substantiate your allegations that i am jeff lifter, lifter68, frank serpico and/or jeff cigar? you have provided one post and that is a &quot;deathtoallpoliticans&quot; post which i have admitted to (see above)...i ask again, where is your evidence and/or proof? let me tell you; you have nothing because said proof and/or evidence does not exist. otherwise, quote clearly and obviously, you would have gladly provided it. i am not any of those posters or people. get it through your skull.

12. it is now obvious to me that we will never come to an accord. i have tried to make peace with you and you will have nothing of it. so be it. have a very good night, mr. eckert.]]></description>
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<p>wow. i have the instinctive, knee-jerk reaction to say something very derogatory to you in response but i will lay off of it. i did most certainly receive your email of a post (don&#8217;t worry about spam from me. obviously, the less contact i have with you, the better) and it is definitely me. i will not deny it. but, what troubles me is that you did not post the entire thread leading up to my comment to you. therefore, i have to assume that you replied back to me in an ad hominem manner. i, then, hit you back in the very same manner. care to post the entire thread from mediabistro or are you afraid of exposing your own actions as well? now, i will respond as best i can to the remaining of your allegations:</p>
<p>1. i was going to apologize to you for the mediabistro post but, after your very response here on the bunker, i have decided otherwise. since you have failed to post the entire thread on mediabistro, including your posts, i am forced to wonder why (see above)?</p>
<p>2. you are wrong about me not being banned as a bunkerite. mr. ortgea has chosen, as best as i can tell, not to ban me because you have no good cause and have failed to make your case for such an action.</p>
<p>3. for someone who fancies himself as a bunker policeman, 3 or more bannings from this site constitute more than an infrequent occasion as you seem to say. once again, had you provided any proof, mr. ortge would have banned me without a second thought. it seems to me that he removes trolls as they appear. your dispute of this belies the very fact of mr. ortega&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>4. wow. you provided to me exactly 1 screen shot of me replying to you. you actually consider this as evidence or some kind of proof that i should be banned? as i said, i was going to apologize to you until i read your response and the fact that you did not provide the entire thread. it seems to me that you are embarrassed and ashamed of your own comments in the very same thread. i have to ask again, why did you not provide the entire thread? and, also, is this all you have? how is this even remotely enough to have me banned as a bunkerite? keep in mind, the fact that we loath each other is not a proper or adequate reason to have me banned as a bunkerite no matter how your feelings have been hurt. your actions make me chuckle because i could care less what you think. i have never run to mr. ortega to have you banned no matter what you have said to me. yet, you cry and whine and send a solitary screen shot to mr. ortega about what i post?</p>
<p>5. mr. ortgea also said that you needed to stop your witch hunts. i am not the only bunkerite that you have mistreated. seems to me that you need to lay off and let mr. ortega do the banning. you are nothing in the bunker and, most certainly, not the police of such. you really need to stop. in case you dispute this point, please provide the mr. ortega post wherein he asked you to go after trolls. good luck with that; you will need it since it does not exist. another worthless and unwarranted thought of grandeur derived in your own mind.</p>
<p>6. care to send me the &#8220;rape&#8221; post? the only comment i have had recently deleted by mr. ortega was the one wherein i stated that i would like to fill ms.  devocht&#8217;s mouth in order to silence her. truth be told, i still consider her to be very attractive, scientology ravings aside, and would gladly engage in a sexual throw down with her at any time (just being honest here). you say that there is another rape comment that i made? i say provide it. i do not trust you or your memory based on what you have posted here.</p>
<p>7. wtf are you talking about &#8220;frank serpico account&#8221;? i have never utilized such a screen name and demand that you provide proof of such. i have only used &#8220;deathtoallpoliticians&#8221; as my google screen name, and that includes any google play accounts for the games i have on my tablets (although, i do use &#8220;i8yourflesh&#8221; on mlb p.i. and madden football and &#8220;jumping for joy&#8221; on big fish casino because &#8220;deathtoallpoliticians&#8221; is too long to use given the allotted space).</p>
<p>8. i have already admitted that the mediabistro post seems to be me.  but, given your most recent post here, an apology from me is the very last thing you should expect (although i was going to until i read said post). however, i find it interesting that you failed to post the entire thread. why have you failed to do so? are you embarrassed by your attacks on me prior to my post? do you not want mr. ortega and others to see how you provoked such an attack? your lack of the entire thread is damning to your allegations.</p>
<p>9. whether or not you consider my screen name of &#8220;deathtoallpoliticans&#8221; as appropriate means nothing to me. since you have forgotten, or chosen to ignore, my very reasoning for using such a screen name, i will remind you: in my 38 years of life on this planet and as a united states citizen, no politician, whether they be a republican or democrat, has done anything for me but caused me more taxes, headaches and red tape. not a one. time was i used to be a democrat (in high school). then i switched to a republican as i realized what a scumbag the clintons are. then, i finally came to the realization that no matter the political affiliation of any particular candidate, said candidate could care less about me because i did not donate millions to their respective campaigns nor did i control any major corporation or enterprise. seems to me that i am a normal citizen, like the vast majority of americans. yet, we get no proper representation from those we elect from our crappy 2 party system. that is why i adopted my long deceased grandfather&#8217;s approach to politicians. he was a great man who fought with the u.s. army air force in operation torch during ww2 and was a farmer and carpenter after the war. in recognizing that our 2 party system would be the eventual destruction of this great nation, the best on this planet, he stated &#8220;all of these politicians, both republicans and democrats, need to be taken out back behind my barn and given a .45 caliber solution to the back of the head so we can start over&#8221;. hence, my screen name of &#8220;deathtoallpoliticians&#8221;. and, before you go crying and whining as is your usual, i wish to remind you of thomas jefferson&#8217;s quote of &#8220;the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. it is its natural manure&#8221;. my grandfather, and i, wholeheartedly agree(d) with this thinking and it is also one of the main reasons for my screen name. care to accuse thomas jefferson of advocating mass murder? yeah, i thought not. so, what makes me, or my grandfather, bless his soul (he died of leukemia in the early 80&#8217;s), any different?</p>
<p>10. you are wrong, whether you chose to admit it or not. it is truly tough to teach an old dog new tricks, as they say. and, i love your ad hominem attack against me in that you accuse me of a being a &#8220;lying scumbag&#8221;. you have given me only one post as evidence and acted like that is the be all, end all and that i should be banned for such. again, you have failed in your burden of proof. and i can say that even if you are held to the lower civil standard of &#8220;beyond a preponderance of the evidence&#8221;. once again, whether you feel that my screen name is appropriate matters not to me. unlike you, i can look past a simple screen name and judge a poster based on  his/her content.</p>
<p>11. where is your evidence and/or proof to substantiate your allegations that i am jeff lifter, lifter68, frank serpico and/or jeff cigar? you have provided one post and that is a &#8220;deathtoallpoliticans&#8221; post which i have admitted to (see above)&#8230;i ask again, where is your evidence and/or proof? let me tell you; you have nothing because said proof and/or evidence does not exist. otherwise, quote clearly and obviously, you would have gladly provided it. i am not any of those posters or people. get it through your skull.</p>
<p>12. it is now obvious to me that we will never come to an accord. i have tried to make peace with you and you will have nothing of it. so be it. have a very good night, mr. eckert.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2014 15:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;you have provided no evidence or proof.&quot; It should not be necessary to provide you evidence of your own actions.  You know you made the post, of course, since you made it.  I know you know you made the post, and you know that that I know it  Your persistent lying about it is utterly pointless.

&quot;you say that mr. ortega does not ban posters&quot; No, I said he RARELY bans posters, and that in your case he did not choose to ban you for off-board conduct.

&quot; i have witnessed no less than 3 people being banned&quot; Are you unaware how remarkably low that number is, for a board which attracts trolls so frequently?

&quot;you claim to have screen shots and other &quot;proof&quot;. well, i want to see them. please send them to my email account at lawdog69@hotmail.com&quot;  I have done so.  You should of course be aware that it was sent from my throwaway e-mail that I don&#039;t look at much, so don&#039;t bother flooding it with spam.

&quot;you started this little internet &quot;flame&quot; war with me because you did not like my screen name&quot; It was not a &quot;flame&quot; war until you made it such.  I do not think a screen name advocating mass murder is appropriate for a board that is not talking about politicians at all.

&quot; i tried to explain why i use deathtoallpoliticians. however, you refused to accept my explanation &quot; Yes, you explain that you have this murderous hatred of politicians for various political reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at the Bunker.  Trolls seeking to deflect the topic off onto other subjects are frequent, and Tony generally leaves it to the community to run them off.

&quot;do you remember mr. ortega commenting on that very issue?&quot; Yes, he said it was time to stop the troll hunts, so I complied.

&quot;and wtf &quot;rape post&quot; are you talking about.&quot; The one which Tony deleted off of the Bunker after numerous commenters told you how inappropriate it was.  Again you are pretending ignorance of your own actions, a particularly stupid and futile lie to tell to someone who knows you to be lying.

&quot;further, wtf &quot;frank serpico&quot; account are you referencing?&quot; The YouTube account under which you re-posted what Tony deleted.  Since that was on YouTube and not the Bunker, Tony doesn&#039;t care.

&quot; i have deathtoallpoliticans registered as my google, youtube and disqus screen name&quot; And it was the deathtoallpoliticians disqus account which posted at mediabistro.

&quot;the only exceptions i can think of are: 1. msn since they won&#039;t allow &quot;death&quot; to be in any screen name&quot; So will you stop acting as if there is something bizarre about thinking a screenname calling for death is inappropriate?

&quot;i have to ask at this point: isn&#039;t it possible you are wrong about me? &quot; No.  You are a lying scumbag, and very persistent about lying even when you know that the person you are talking to knows that you are lying.  That is a mental pathology in and of itself.  You also have a compulsion to express your desires to commit violence, and an inability to comprehend that others find that inappropriate.  I do not know if you actually carry out any violence, or are simply an internet tough guy who does jack shit, but neither is an attractive personality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-668859">deathtoallpoliticians</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;you have provided no evidence or proof.&#8221; It should not be necessary to provide you evidence of your own actions.  You know you made the post, of course, since you made it.  I know you know you made the post, and you know that that I know it  Your persistent lying about it is utterly pointless.</p>
<p>&#8220;you say that mr. ortega does not ban posters&#8221; No, I said he RARELY bans posters, and that in your case he did not choose to ban you for off-board conduct.</p>
<p>&#8221; i have witnessed no less than 3 people being banned&#8221; Are you unaware how remarkably low that number is, for a board which attracts trolls so frequently?</p>
<p>&#8220;you claim to have screen shots and other &#8220;proof&#8221;. well, i want to see them. please send them to my email account at <a href="mailto:lawdog69@hotmail.com">lawdog69@hotmail.com</a>&#8221;  I have done so.  You should of course be aware that it was sent from my throwaway e-mail that I don&#8217;t look at much, so don&#8217;t bother flooding it with spam.</p>
<p>&#8220;you started this little internet &#8220;flame&#8221; war with me because you did not like my screen name&#8221; It was not a &#8220;flame&#8221; war until you made it such.  I do not think a screen name advocating mass murder is appropriate for a board that is not talking about politicians at all.</p>
<p>&#8221; i tried to explain why i use deathtoallpoliticians. however, you refused to accept my explanation &#8221; Yes, you explain that you have this murderous hatred of politicians for various political reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at the Bunker.  Trolls seeking to deflect the topic off onto other subjects are frequent, and Tony generally leaves it to the community to run them off.</p>
<p>&#8220;do you remember mr. ortega commenting on that very issue?&#8221; Yes, he said it was time to stop the troll hunts, so I complied.</p>
<p>&#8220;and wtf &#8220;rape post&#8221; are you talking about.&#8221; The one which Tony deleted off of the Bunker after numerous commenters told you how inappropriate it was.  Again you are pretending ignorance of your own actions, a particularly stupid and futile lie to tell to someone who knows you to be lying.</p>
<p>&#8220;further, wtf &#8220;frank serpico&#8221; account are you referencing?&#8221; The YouTube account under which you re-posted what Tony deleted.  Since that was on YouTube and not the Bunker, Tony doesn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>&#8221; i have deathtoallpoliticans registered as my google, youtube and disqus screen name&#8221; And it was the deathtoallpoliticians disqus account which posted at mediabistro.</p>
<p>&#8220;the only exceptions i can think of are: 1. msn since they won&#8217;t allow &#8220;death&#8221; to be in any screen name&#8221; So will you stop acting as if there is something bizarre about thinking a screenname calling for death is inappropriate?</p>
<p>&#8220;i have to ask at this point: isn&#8217;t it possible you are wrong about me? &#8221; No.  You are a lying scumbag, and very persistent about lying even when you know that the person you are talking to knows that you are lying.  That is a mental pathology in and of itself.  You also have a compulsion to express your desires to commit violence, and an inability to comprehend that others find that inappropriate.  I do not know if you actually carry out any violence, or are simply an internet tough guy who does jack shit, but neither is an attractive personality.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deathtoallpoliticians]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2014 07:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-668164&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

wow. such hatred and for no good cause. you have provided no evidence or proof. just think about it, mr. eckert. had you decently made your case, let&#039;s give you a break on your burden of proof, to even beyond a preponderance of the evidence (and not clear and convincing evidence or, the highest level, of beyond a doubt), mr. ortega would have sided with you. you say that mr. ortega does not ban posters but since i have been a bunkerite, i have witnessed no less than 3 people being banned. you would think that if i were the infamous lifter, cigar, or whomever you claim i secretly am (your allegations seem to increase and change with every post) and you had evidence and/or proof, i would be banned. but you have failed on all counts. further, you claim to have screen shots and other &quot;proof&quot;. well, i want to see them. please send them to my email account at lawdog69@hotmail.com. i want to see what you are talking about. it is rather tough to fight allegations that i know nothing about or are simply recalled from your memory. and, in case you have forgotten, you started this little internet &quot;flame&quot; war with me because you did not like my screen name. go back and check the posts, mr. eckert. at first, i tried to explain why i use deathtoallpoliticians. however, you refused to accept my explanation and hounded me like a rabid dog over it. at that point, yes, i did get ad hominem with you. i can only take so much from an internet tough guy, so to speak. while we are on this issue, other bunkerites besides me, including mr. ortega, took issue with your self-issued role of bunker police dog when you came after me once i started posting. do you remember mr. ortega commenting on that very issue? and wtf &quot;rape post&quot; are you talking about. further, wtf &quot;frank serpico&quot; account are you referencing? i have never used such an account nor screen name. i have to ask again, do you have any proof or evidence or are you simply (and wrongly) assuming? remember what they say about assuming, ie it makes an arse of you. to the best of my knowledge, i have deathtoallpoliticans registered as my google, youtube and disqus screen name. if someone else has such on a separate website, so be it. but that is not me (although i do try to register it on every site i am on...the only exceptions i can think of are: 1. msn since they won&#039;t allow &quot;death&quot; to be in any screen name. there, i am registered as &quot;exileallpoliticians&quot;, 2. mike rinder&#039;s website where i am registered as &quot;dmscohb&quot; and 3. jeff augustine&#039;s otviiiisgrrr8 website where i am registered as &quot;r2-45 for all wogs&quot;. however, there is a note on my google screen name: i had to actually register it as &quot;deathto&quot; and then a space &quot;allpoliticians&quot; since it had to be in the form of a first and last name). i have to ask at this point: isn&#039;t it possible you are wrong about me? will you at least admit that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-668164">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>wow. such hatred and for no good cause. you have provided no evidence or proof. just think about it, mr. eckert. had you decently made your case, let&#8217;s give you a break on your burden of proof, to even beyond a preponderance of the evidence (and not clear and convincing evidence or, the highest level, of beyond a doubt), mr. ortega would have sided with you. you say that mr. ortega does not ban posters but since i have been a bunkerite, i have witnessed no less than 3 people being banned. you would think that if i were the infamous lifter, cigar, or whomever you claim i secretly am (your allegations seem to increase and change with every post) and you had evidence and/or proof, i would be banned. but you have failed on all counts. further, you claim to have screen shots and other &#8220;proof&#8221;. well, i want to see them. please send them to my email account at <a href="mailto:lawdog69@hotmail.com">lawdog69@hotmail.com</a>. i want to see what you are talking about. it is rather tough to fight allegations that i know nothing about or are simply recalled from your memory. and, in case you have forgotten, you started this little internet &#8220;flame&#8221; war with me because you did not like my screen name. go back and check the posts, mr. eckert. at first, i tried to explain why i use deathtoallpoliticians. however, you refused to accept my explanation and hounded me like a rabid dog over it. at that point, yes, i did get ad hominem with you. i can only take so much from an internet tough guy, so to speak. while we are on this issue, other bunkerites besides me, including mr. ortega, took issue with your self-issued role of bunker police dog when you came after me once i started posting. do you remember mr. ortega commenting on that very issue? and wtf &#8220;rape post&#8221; are you talking about. further, wtf &#8220;frank serpico&#8221; account are you referencing? i have never used such an account nor screen name. i have to ask again, do you have any proof or evidence or are you simply (and wrongly) assuming? remember what they say about assuming, ie it makes an arse of you. to the best of my knowledge, i have deathtoallpoliticans registered as my google, youtube and disqus screen name. if someone else has such on a separate website, so be it. but that is not me (although i do try to register it on every site i am on&#8230;the only exceptions i can think of are: 1. msn since they won&#8217;t allow &#8220;death&#8221; to be in any screen name. there, i am registered as &#8220;exileallpoliticians&#8221;, 2. mike rinder&#8217;s website where i am registered as &#8220;dmscohb&#8221; and 3. jeff augustine&#8217;s otviiiisgrrr8 website where i am registered as &#8220;r2-45 for all wogs&#8221;. however, there is a note on my google screen name: i had to actually register it as &#8220;deathto&#8221; and then a space &#8220;allpoliticians&#8221; since it had to be in the form of a first and last name). i have to ask at this point: isn&#8217;t it possible you are wrong about me? will you at least admit that?</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Eckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-668052&quot;&gt;deathtoallpoliticians&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; if i was lying, don&#039;t you think mr. ortega would have banned me?&quot;  He uses the ban power very infrequently.   He rarely moderates, either.  This is part of what everyone appreciates about him.

&quot;i am still a member of the bunker community and still posting&quot; It is his prerogative to let you stay and I respect that.  So, I do not read or pay attention to your posts, until you decided to start it up with me.

&quot;that alone should show you that mr. ortega does not believe you&quot; No, it simply means that he does not ban based on your misconduct on other boards.  He also knows that after he deleted your rape post from the Bunker that you went and posted it on YouTube under your &quot;Frank Serpico&quot; sock.  But as long as it was deleted from his own board he doesn&#039;t care how noxiously you post elsewhere.

&quot; i am not jeff lifter, lifter68 or whomever you seem to think&quot; Either you simply copied his post, or you share the &#039;deathtoallpoliticians&#039; account with a stable of trolls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-668052">deathtoallpoliticians</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; if i was lying, don&#8217;t you think mr. ortega would have banned me?&#8221;  He uses the ban power very infrequently.   He rarely moderates, either.  This is part of what everyone appreciates about him.</p>
<p>&#8220;i am still a member of the bunker community and still posting&#8221; It is his prerogative to let you stay and I respect that.  So, I do not read or pay attention to your posts, until you decided to start it up with me.</p>
<p>&#8220;that alone should show you that mr. ortega does not believe you&#8221; No, it simply means that he does not ban based on your misconduct on other boards.  He also knows that after he deleted your rape post from the Bunker that you went and posted it on YouTube under your &#8220;Frank Serpico&#8221; sock.  But as long as it was deleted from his own board he doesn&#8217;t care how noxiously you post elsewhere.</p>
<p>&#8221; i am not jeff lifter, lifter68 or whomever you seem to think&#8221; Either you simply copied his post, or you share the &#8216;deathtoallpoliticians&#8217; account with a stable of trolls.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-667791&quot;&gt;Stacy&lt;/a&gt;.

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<p>+1000<br />
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deathtoallpoliticians]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2014 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-667322&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

you are absolutely wrong. and, if i was lying, don&#039;t you think mr. ortega would have banned me? that just goes to show that you are wrong as i am still a member of the bunker community and still posting. that alone should show you that mr. ortega does not believe you; you have failed in your burden of proof and that you are, in fact, wrong. why is it so hard for you to admit that you are wrong? i am wrong all of the time and will be wrong many more times before i am dust scattered into the wind. but i am not wrong here. i am not jeff lifter, lifter68 or whomever you seem to think, without proper justification, evidence and/or proof, that i am.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/11/04/scientologys-own-plans-show-it-just-paid-37-million-for-a-building-to-serve-87-people/comment-page-1/#comment-667322">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>you are absolutely wrong. and, if i was lying, don&#8217;t you think mr. ortega would have banned me? that just goes to show that you are wrong as i am still a member of the bunker community and still posting. that alone should show you that mr. ortega does not believe you; you have failed in your burden of proof and that you are, in fact, wrong. why is it so hard for you to admit that you are wrong? i am wrong all of the time and will be wrong many more times before i am dust scattered into the wind. but i am not wrong here. i am not jeff lifter, lifter68 or whomever you seem to think, without proper justification, evidence and/or proof, that i am.</p>
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