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	Comments on: Jon Atack: Scientology and hypnotism &#8212; even some ex-members can&#8217;t admit its central role	</title>
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		By: mockingbird		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-663230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mockingbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well I want to thank Jon and Tony for mentioning my work and sharing the link.  I cannot overstate the importance in learning what is done to a Scientologist&#039;s mind for recovery ! Many without this info suffer or do not EVER get relief from the trauma and confusion the &#039;tech&#039; intentionally causes ! And if they use education in many , many cases they can greatly lessen and recover from the damage. Also , if never-ins understand the mind control they can better deal with and even predict the obstacles to dealing with exes and current members ! To me education is the key to unraveling the web of lies !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I want to thank Jon and Tony for mentioning my work and sharing the link.  I cannot overstate the importance in learning what is done to a Scientologist&#8217;s mind for recovery ! Many without this info suffer or do not EVER get relief from the trauma and confusion the &#8216;tech&#8217; intentionally causes ! And if they use education in many , many cases they can greatly lessen and recover from the damage. Also , if never-ins understand the mind control they can better deal with and even predict the obstacles to dealing with exes and current members ! To me education is the key to unraveling the web of lies !</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 01:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jon, I get that you are moving away from scientology.  I totally understand.  I&#039;m still studying how it worked on me (and others) and your articles are invaluable and have saved me a lot of time - once I stopped to listen and knocked off thinking &#039;he much be crazy if he thinks I was hypnotized&#039;.  The page numbers don&#039;t match and I&#039;m having trouble finding all your references even in my 1978 version of dmsmh, but it&#039;s OK.  This is not the book that &#039;got to&#039; me but to some degree the few hours of dianetics I received could have been hypnotic.  I think I was hypnotized more by the constant contradictions in other works.  I thought I was &#039;stupid&#039; because I truly could not make much sense out much of it.  I never did make it all the way thru that book.  I didn&#039;t enjoy reading it and could never see the point and I abandoned any goal to audit others using it.   Anyway thanks for the trouble you have gone to help others out of this trap.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I get that you are moving away from scientology.  I totally understand.  I&#8217;m still studying how it worked on me (and others) and your articles are invaluable and have saved me a lot of time &#8211; once I stopped to listen and knocked off thinking &#8216;he much be crazy if he thinks I was hypnotized&#8217;.  The page numbers don&#8217;t match and I&#8217;m having trouble finding all your references even in my 1978 version of dmsmh, but it&#8217;s OK.  This is not the book that &#8216;got to&#8217; me but to some degree the few hours of dianetics I received could have been hypnotic.  I think I was hypnotized more by the constant contradictions in other works.  I thought I was &#8216;stupid&#8217; because I truly could not make much sense out much of it.  I never did make it all the way thru that book.  I didn&#8217;t enjoy reading it and could never see the point and I abandoned any goal to audit others using it.   Anyway thanks for the trouble you have gone to help others out of this trap.</p>
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		By: Mary_McConnell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent.</p>
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		By: Eugene K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey Jon Atack, some people actually go look up a fuller text of your genius quotes. Here is one from the Science of Survival:

&quot;When an auditor finds his preclear unusually suggestive, he should be very careful what he says to the preclear. He may notice that a preclear after he closes his eyes will begin to flutter his eyelids. This is a symptom of the very lightest level of hypnotic trance. The auditor cannot avoid processing the case, but he should be careful to use language quite unlike hypnotic suggestions and be certain at the end of the processing session to scan off the auditing.&quot;

Here Hubbard is actually giving a warning not a guidance for &quot;standard procedure.&quot; You should at least be honest when you construct your criticism and not try to mislead people by taking quotes out of context.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jon Atack, some people actually go look up a fuller text of your genius quotes. Here is one from the Science of Survival:</p>
<p>&#8220;When an auditor finds his preclear unusually suggestive, he should be very careful what he says to the preclear. He may notice that a preclear after he closes his eyes will begin to flutter his eyelids. This is a symptom of the very lightest level of hypnotic trance. The auditor cannot avoid processing the case, but he should be careful to use language quite unlike hypnotic suggestions and be certain at the end of the processing session to scan off the auditing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here Hubbard is actually giving a warning not a guidance for &#8220;standard procedure.&#8221; You should at least be honest when you construct your criticism and not try to mislead people by taking quotes out of context.</p>
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		By: ObsessedReader		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ObsessedReader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660178&quot;&gt;L. Wrong Hubturd&lt;/a&gt;.

Not local, just close enough to enjoy some shopping in Sam Flax and an occasional ride on The Hulk. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660178">L. Wrong Hubturd</a>.</p>
<p>Not local, just close enough to enjoy some shopping in Sam Flax and an occasional ride on The Hulk. </p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660329&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Man, you must really try hard to avoid getting the point.  I&#039;ve been talking about 40 years ago, NOT present time.  After I left, I never entered a scn org or mission again.  I wouldn&#039;t have sent anyone there, certainly no one on this list.  You certainly are dense.  Or clinging to the false idea that there was never anything good that ever happened to anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660329">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Man, you must really try hard to avoid getting the point.  I&#8217;ve been talking about 40 years ago, NOT present time.  After I left, I never entered a scn org or mission again.  I wouldn&#8217;t have sent anyone there, certainly no one on this list.  You certainly are dense.  Or clinging to the false idea that there was never anything good that ever happened to anyone.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660136&quot;&gt;Peter&lt;/a&gt;.

Still spreading the disease, eh Peter?

Please stay far away from me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660136">Peter</a>.</p>
<p>Still spreading the disease, eh Peter?</p>
<p>Please stay far away from me.</p>
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		By: L. Wrong Hubturd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L. Wrong Hubturd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 03:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660262&quot;&gt;Chee Chalker&lt;/a&gt;.

For better or worse, it immediately popped into my head.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-660262">Chee Chalker</a>.</p>
<p>For better or worse, it immediately popped into my head.</p>
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		By: Chee Chalker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chee Chalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 03:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-658479&quot;&gt;L. Wrong Hubturd&lt;/a&gt;.

I second Jimmy3&#039;s acknowledgment of your hilarity L. Wrong!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-658479">L. Wrong Hubturd</a>.</p>
<p>I second Jimmy3&#8217;s acknowledgment of your hilarity L. Wrong!</p>
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		By: daytoncapri		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[daytoncapri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-658137&quot;&gt;villagedianne&lt;/a&gt;.

I have past life memories too .... or something. 

Joan Grant was a 1930s-40s novelist who wrote her material from her own past lives. . . or something.   Some of it sounds like Scn.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/sep/29/featuresreviews.guardianreview25]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/25/jon-atack-2/comment-page-1/#comment-658137">villagedianne</a>.</p>
<p>I have past life memories too &#8230;. or something. </p>
<p>Joan Grant was a 1930s-40s novelist who wrote her material from her own past lives. . . or something.   Some of it sounds like Scn.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/sep/29/featuresreviews.guardianreview25" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theguardian.com/books/2007/sep/29/featuresreviews.guardianreview25</a></p>
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