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		By: Adrien Marcel Drea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrien Marcel Drea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[next spain ?
italy  ,the sardinia boublil case ?
 the gloria lopez case in france ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>next spain ?<br />
italy  ,the sardinia boublil case ?<br />
 the gloria lopez case in france ?</p>
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		By: Adrien Marcel Drea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrien Marcel Drea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[not to forget the belgium trial]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not to forget the belgium trial</p>
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		By: Adrien Marcel Drea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrien Marcel Drea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[there is also   charges pressed by former ARCADIA employees  fired  that&#039;s gonna be a case in court for french scientology too   yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is also   charges pressed by former ARCADIA employees  fired  that&#8217;s gonna be a case in court for french scientology too   yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss</p>
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		By: Adrien Marcel Drea		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrien Marcel Drea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[one more case to come in news the aubert school investigation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one more case to come in news the aubert school investigation</p>
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		By: Adrien Marcel Drea		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-704128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrien Marcel Drea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bravo !]]></description>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662526&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

The video of Marty will be dismissed within the chult, but outside, it&#039;s got a big reach and a big effect.  The church can say anything it wants about the video, disavowing their actions, but the fact is that all three are or have been listed as executives.  That&#039;s pretty hard to get around.  



I bet that Co$ stays silent on the whole thing.  Any response is going to make them look worse.  That&#039;s why I&#039;m hoping for a public response.



Sorry about the slow reply.  I&#039;ve had to wade through a bunch of emails, and I skipped your reply somehow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662526">Barbara Angel</a>.</p>
<p>The video of Marty will be dismissed within the chult, but outside, it&#8217;s got a big reach and a big effect.  The church can say anything it wants about the video, disavowing their actions, but the fact is that all three are or have been listed as executives.  That&#8217;s pretty hard to get around.  </p>
<p>I bet that Co$ stays silent on the whole thing.  Any response is going to make them look worse.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m hoping for a public response.</p>
<p>Sorry about the slow reply.  I&#8217;ve had to wade through a bunch of emails, and I skipped your reply somehow.</p>
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		By: Barbara Angel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Angel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662499&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe a video will hasten the demise of narCON, but as for the other videos, all the chult has to say is that the airport attack video was not &#039;authorised&#039; therefore it has nothing to do with him/them.  So videoing Marty et al.... will be dismissed as usual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662499">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe a video will hasten the demise of narCON, but as for the other videos, all the chult has to say is that the airport attack video was not &#8216;authorised&#8217; therefore it has nothing to do with him/them.  So videoing Marty et al&#8230;. will be dismissed as usual.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662487&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem in the past has been that former members are usually so traumatized or have PTSD, and it takes so long to speak out, and Co$ is so willing and able to have people lie that it makes prosecution difficult.

It is video that will bring down the cult.  Why do you think they&#039;re so paranoid about cell phones?  They can record the mistreatment, lies, and crimes that Co$ commits.

It&#039;s ironic that one of their harassment incident that they recorded, probably for DM, was also recorded by Marty at the airport.  They have their cameras ready, but Marty&#039;s camera tech exposed their stupid and vindictive behavior.  

DM can&#039;t deny his connection to NarCONon after the video of him taking credit for it.  That doesn&#039;t bode well for him in civil court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-662487">Barbara Angel</a>.</p>
<p>The problem in the past has been that former members are usually so traumatized or have PTSD, and it takes so long to speak out, and Co$ is so willing and able to have people lie that it makes prosecution difficult.</p>
<p>It is video that will bring down the cult.  Why do you think they&#8217;re so paranoid about cell phones?  They can record the mistreatment, lies, and crimes that Co$ commits.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that one of their harassment incident that they recorded, probably for DM, was also recorded by Marty at the airport.  They have their cameras ready, but Marty&#8217;s camera tech exposed their stupid and vindictive behavior.  </p>
<p>DM can&#8217;t deny his connection to NarCONon after the video of him taking credit for it.  That doesn&#8217;t bode well for him in civil court.</p>
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		By: Barbara Angel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Angel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-661864&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;chult&quot; now that is a new one and a good one. Thank you once again for your wise advice, yes no single person can be responsible for bringing down the &#039;chult&#039; or what the government *Doesn&#039;t Do*, I just find the multiple Blatant injustices Outrageous. The fact that decades later with all the brave escapees speaking up, doesn&#039;t seem to be enough. The Court cases that initially look so promising only to be *allowed* to stall. 
The chult plays with the system and the system allows it at the victims expense. 
When you say small potatoes in the U.S. are there a lot of such organisations that we don&#039;t hear about?  In Aus we are a small population so there is more tendency for stuff like this to hit the front page and the media run with it for quite some time. Maybe the U.S. population is so huge that stuff like this takes second place to the day to day gun murders? (no slur meant on the U.S.) or just disappears in the huge volume of news? 
Another thing that really pisses me off, is that fact that C/List is just another Enabler and why bother trying to save people from themselves?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-661864">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;chult&#8221; now that is a new one and a good one. Thank you once again for your wise advice, yes no single person can be responsible for bringing down the &#8216;chult&#8217; or what the government *Doesn&#8217;t Do*, I just find the multiple Blatant injustices Outrageous. The fact that decades later with all the brave escapees speaking up, doesn&#8217;t seem to be enough. The Court cases that initially look so promising only to be *allowed* to stall.<br />
The chult plays with the system and the system allows it at the victims expense.<br />
When you say small potatoes in the U.S. are there a lot of such organisations that we don&#8217;t hear about?  In Aus we are a small population so there is more tendency for stuff like this to hit the front page and the media run with it for quite some time. Maybe the U.S. population is so huge that stuff like this takes second place to the day to day gun murders? (no slur meant on the U.S.) or just disappears in the huge volume of news?<br />
Another thing that really pisses me off, is that fact that C/List is just another Enabler and why bother trying to save people from themselves?</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-661756&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s important to remember that you are not personally responsible for bringing down the chult.  You don&#039;t have the power to single-handedly end it.  That doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re powerless.  It just means you aren&#039;t responsible for what Co$ or any government agency does.


Remember that $cientology, despite all its claims of large size and the havoc it wreaks on lives, is really small potatoes in the U.S.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/24/scientology-had-a-big-legal-loss-in-europe-in-june-and-were-just-now-finding-out-about-it/comment-page-1/#comment-661756">Barbara Angel</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to remember that you are not personally responsible for bringing down the chult.  You don&#8217;t have the power to single-handedly end it.  That doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re powerless.  It just means you aren&#8217;t responsible for what Co$ or any government agency does.</p>
<p>Remember that $cientology, despite all its claims of large size and the havoc it wreaks on lives, is really small potatoes in the U.S.</p>
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