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		By: aegerprimo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aegerprimo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-647829&quot;&gt;Qbird&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m glad you are a Bunkerite Qbird. Your insight and comments are so valuable here.
I guess signing away your life (Sea Org billion year contract) would be similar to someone thinking they found the love of their life only to find they are abusive and then thinking there is no other option. I think you can relate to that from what you have experienced in your life.
Human beings are complicated  (yet resilient) creatures...
Aren&#039;t we?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-647829">Qbird</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you are a Bunkerite Qbird. Your insight and comments are so valuable here.<br />
I guess signing away your life (Sea Org billion year contract) would be similar to someone thinking they found the love of their life only to find they are abusive and then thinking there is no other option. I think you can relate to that from what you have experienced in your life.<br />
Human beings are complicated  (yet resilient) creatures&#8230;<br />
Aren&#8217;t we?</p>
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		By: Qbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-645847&quot;&gt;aegerprimo&lt;/a&gt;.

Aeger, real quick, just wanted to tell you, my own father was an abusive person (verbally especially and also physically - to my Mom more than to us kids, truth be told).  My parents divorced when I was 13; he left forever and I knew &lt;i&gt;relief&lt;/i&gt; real &#038; true.
And so, I am sensitive to this because of my experience.  I believe it was you that posted a section of this book regards conditions that exist in an abusive relationship... a check list.  
it was at that point I, a never-LRH processed-person, did / could relate to 
    (was able to empathize with)  
what a scientiologist goes through.
It&#039;s all this life changing legal mumbo-jumbo, signing away your life, that I have NO EXPERIENCE with... and can&#039;t relate... only because this is something so completely alien to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-645847">aegerprimo</a>.</p>
<p>Aeger, real quick, just wanted to tell you, my own father was an abusive person (verbally especially and also physically &#8211; to my Mom more than to us kids, truth be told).  My parents divorced when I was 13; he left forever and I knew <i>relief</i> real &amp; true.<br />
And so, I am sensitive to this because of my experience.  I believe it was you that posted a section of this book regards conditions that exist in an abusive relationship&#8230; a check list.<br />
it was at that point I, a never-LRH processed-person, did / could relate to<br />
    (was able to empathize with)<br />
what a scientiologist goes through.<br />
It&#8217;s all this life changing legal mumbo-jumbo, signing away your life, that I have NO EXPERIENCE with&#8230; and can&#8217;t relate&#8230; only because this is something so completely alien to me.</p>
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		By: Verve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear OSA, please forward this to Mr. Mike Ellis.

&quot;Dear Mr. Mike Ellis, you are a fucknut.&quot;
Slghned,
Every Monkey That Will Cross Your Path
(Look out for flung poo, jackass.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear OSA, please forward this to Mr. Mike Ellis.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Mr. Mike Ellis, you are a fucknut.&#8221;<br />
Slghned,<br />
Every Monkey That Will Cross Your Path<br />
(Look out for flung poo, jackass.)</p>
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		By: Verve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 19:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-645534&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

Really, you are so awesome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-645534">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>Really, you are so awesome.</p>
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		By: Cece		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646336&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s some impressive photo wish list you have Chuck!  I&#039;m thinking access to the roof of Kaiser may be more my style :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646336">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s some impressive photo wish list you have Chuck!  I&#8217;m thinking access to the roof of Kaiser may be more my style 🙂</p>
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		By: Miss Tia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Tia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2014 00:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646061&quot;&gt;Stacy&lt;/a&gt;.

yeah, they can have gum disease too....and/or just dental issues....she has the worst teeth of any kitty i&#039;ve had...you can basically take out all their teeth and they can still eat hard food even, their palettes aren&#039;t fully &#039;soft&#039; and they are hardened (if that makes sense) and they can eat just fine without their teeth....she was eating some hard food today and it&#039;s been about a week since she&#039;s done that, so yeah!!!  it is always heart wrenching when they are in any kind of pain or distress, you just feel so helpless!!! 

And please accept my condolences on your dad&#039;s passing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646061">Stacy</a>.</p>
<p>yeah, they can have gum disease too&#8230;.and/or just dental issues&#8230;.she has the worst teeth of any kitty i&#8217;ve had&#8230;you can basically take out all their teeth and they can still eat hard food even, their palettes aren&#8217;t fully &#8216;soft&#8217; and they are hardened (if that makes sense) and they can eat just fine without their teeth&#8230;.she was eating some hard food today and it&#8217;s been about a week since she&#8217;s done that, so yeah!!!  it is always heart wrenching when they are in any kind of pain or distress, you just feel so helpless!!! </p>
<p>And please accept my condolences on your dad&#8217;s passing.</p>
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		By: J. Swift		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Swift]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646417&quot;&gt;Pepper&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the detail Pepper. This tracks with some things I know about in that period.

IMO, Miscavige and the Church simply became bolder in their criminality in this period. They got away with taking easy money and so they kept doing it and have not stopped. The religion angle is so good and the money is so easy there is no reason for Miscavige and his Cult goons to stop their financial rape and pillaging of the suckers. 

The essence of any con game is this: The con does not stop until the victim stops it. Until and unless the victim stops it, the Con Man will keep his con going. It doesn&#039;t matter if his victim is hurt or others are hurt. A psychopathic Con Man does not care and has no human feelings. All the Con Man regards is his own staggering narcissism and this is Miscavige in a nutshell: A Con Man who has yet to be stopped. 


Miscavige is being squeezed and, when the hammer drops on him, he will not see it coming. That I know for certain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646417">Pepper</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the detail Pepper. This tracks with some things I know about in that period.</p>
<p>IMO, Miscavige and the Church simply became bolder in their criminality in this period. They got away with taking easy money and so they kept doing it and have not stopped. The religion angle is so good and the money is so easy there is no reason for Miscavige and his Cult goons to stop their financial rape and pillaging of the suckers. </p>
<p>The essence of any con game is this: The con does not stop until the victim stops it. Until and unless the victim stops it, the Con Man will keep his con going. It doesn&#8217;t matter if his victim is hurt or others are hurt. A psychopathic Con Man does not care and has no human feelings. All the Con Man regards is his own staggering narcissism and this is Miscavige in a nutshell: A Con Man who has yet to be stopped. </p>
<p>Miscavige is being squeezed and, when the hammer drops on him, he will not see it coming. That I know for certain.</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646625&quot;&gt;Cece&lt;/a&gt;.

Cece - I have no idea what the breakdown of expenses was or if the group of OT 8&#039;s even asked to see it.  I remember wondering the same thing and cannot recall right now what they told me.  It was nothing specific though.  Two million dollars sounded pretty extreme to me and I wondered at the time if it was entirely true or exaggerated.



This group of new OT 8&#039;s had their willingness to help taken advantage of to the extreme. There are so many stories like this in Scientology, countless when you think about it and most are not put out there on the blogs yet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646625">Cece</a>.</p>
<p>Cece &#8211; I have no idea what the breakdown of expenses was or if the group of OT 8&#8217;s even asked to see it.  I remember wondering the same thing and cannot recall right now what they told me.  It was nothing specific though.  Two million dollars sounded pretty extreme to me and I wondered at the time if it was entirely true or exaggerated.</p>
<p>This group of new OT 8&#8217;s had their willingness to help taken advantage of to the extreme. There are so many stories like this in Scientology, countless when you think about it and most are not put out there on the blogs yet.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646603&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Freakin A  Rich]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646603">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Freakin A  Rich</p>
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		By: Pepper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pepper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646508&quot;&gt;Karen de la Carriere&lt;/a&gt;.

There are also the second generation Scns too, who are still at the bottom of the bridge and some OT 5&#039;s who never got on 7.  I don&#039;t think there are any new public though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/10/11/scientologys-international-justice-chief-surfaces-for-the-garcia-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-646508">Karen de la Carriere</a>.</p>
<p>There are also the second generation Scns too, who are still at the bottom of the bridge and some OT 5&#8217;s who never got on 7.  I don&#8217;t think there are any new public though.</p>
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