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		By: whingeybingey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whingeybingey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-636584&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s an excellent point!]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s an excellent point!</p>
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		By: coonellie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coonellie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2014 11:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637238&quot;&gt;endoftheQ&lt;/a&gt;.

Then way, way before my time. But it&#039;s interesting that we&#039;ve both been in LB and the UK.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637238">endoftheQ</a>.</p>
<p>Then way, way before my time. But it&#8217;s interesting that we&#8217;ve both been in LB and the UK.</p>
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		By: Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2014 21:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637220&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

I have no wish to create a huge drama and did not intend to comment on it further, but because  i respect you I will explain. This is not about the correctness of what Q is saying, this is about the fact that Q appears to be a complete impostor and, while her conversation and style of writing bear no resemblance to that of any British person or former Scientologist I have ever come across, both are dead ringers for an infamous former poster.  That resemblance was reinforced significantly by her responses to both Bury and me yesterday.  If you think I&#039;m paranoid, pay attention to her responses when asked about her time in Scientology or still Saint Hill.

You know that I am not a witch hunter. I assure you I did not post that lightly, and I have no intention of engaging her in any fashion from this point on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637220">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>I have no wish to create a huge drama and did not intend to comment on it further, but because  i respect you I will explain. This is not about the correctness of what Q is saying, this is about the fact that Q appears to be a complete impostor and, while her conversation and style of writing bear no resemblance to that of any British person or former Scientologist I have ever come across, both are dead ringers for an infamous former poster.  That resemblance was reinforced significantly by her responses to both Bury and me yesterday.  If you think I&#8217;m paranoid, pay attention to her responses when asked about her time in Scientology or still Saint Hill.</p>
<p>You know that I am not a witch hunter. I assure you I did not post that lightly, and I have no intention of engaging her in any fashion from this point on.</p>
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		By: whingeybingey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whingeybingey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2014 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637763&quot;&gt;Meccaanon&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, that&#039;s what a person&#039;s cult identity does - out with the brain, in with the stupid! Lol!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637763">Meccaanon</a>.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s what a person&#8217;s cult identity does &#8211; out with the brain, in with the stupid! Lol!</p>
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		By: aegerprimo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aegerprimo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2014 20:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637774&quot;&gt;Unex Skcus&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I repost every month at the Bunker, usually in the evening of the last day of the month. 

The Masked Avengers article was interesting. I am a BIG fan and reader of New Yorker magazine. I love this paragraph in the article because it paints the picture of how the Co$ handles bad press these days and how others are unafraid to respond to Co$ threats and history of their &quot;fair game&quot; policy...

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;I&gt;In January, 2008, Gawker Media posted a video in which Tom Cruise enthusiastically touted the benefits of Scientology. The video was copyright-protected, and the Church of Scientology sent a cease-and-desist letter to Gawker, asking that the video be removed. Anonymous viewed the church’s demands as attempts at censorship. “I think it’s time for /b/ to do something big,” someone posted on 4chan. “I’m talking about ‘hacking’ or ‘taking down’ the official Scientology Web site.” An Anon used YouTube to issue a “press release,” which included stock footage of storm clouds and a computerized voice-over. “We shall proceed to expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form,” the voice said. “You have nowhere to hide.” Within a few weeks, the YouTube video had been viewed more than two million times. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/I&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637774">Unex Skcus</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I repost every month at the Bunker, usually in the evening of the last day of the month. </p>
<p>The Masked Avengers article was interesting. I am a BIG fan and reader of New Yorker magazine. I love this paragraph in the article because it paints the picture of how the Co$ handles bad press these days and how others are unafraid to respond to Co$ threats and history of their &#8220;fair game&#8221; policy&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>In January, 2008, Gawker Media posted a video in which Tom Cruise enthusiastically touted the benefits of Scientology. The video was copyright-protected, and the Church of Scientology sent a cease-and-desist letter to Gawker, asking that the video be removed. Anonymous viewed the church’s demands as attempts at censorship. “I think it’s time for /b/ to do something big,” someone posted on 4chan. “I’m talking about ‘hacking’ or ‘taking down’ the official Scientology Web site.” An Anon used YouTube to issue a “press release,” which included stock footage of storm clouds and a computerized voice-over. “We shall proceed to expel you from the Internet and systematically dismantle the Church of Scientology in its present form,” the voice said. “You have nowhere to hide.” Within a few weeks, the YouTube video had been viewed more than two million times. </i></p></blockquote>
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		By: Unex Skcus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Unex Skcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2014 03:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637155&quot;&gt;aegerprimo&lt;/a&gt;.

Good job! Haven&#039;t see your lists before, hope you repost this at the Bunker next month. &quot;The Masked Avengers: How Anonymous incited online vigilantism from Tunisia to Ferguson&quot; was very interesting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637155">aegerprimo</a>.</p>
<p>Good job! Haven&#8217;t see your lists before, hope you repost this at the Bunker next month. &#8220;The Masked Avengers: How Anonymous incited online vigilantism from Tunisia to Ferguson&#8221; was very interesting.</p>
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		By: Meccaanon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meccaanon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2014 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637487&quot;&gt;whingeybingey&lt;/a&gt;.

More to the point of why anyone would voluntarily submit to such a thing. Scientology &quot;ethics&quot; are only about how much money a person can bring into the organisation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637487">whingeybingey</a>.</p>
<p>More to the point of why anyone would voluntarily submit to such a thing. Scientology &#8220;ethics&#8221; are only about how much money a person can bring into the organisation.</p>
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		By: Skip Press		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skip Press]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I&#039;d stayed in $cientology and finished two short courses I&#039;d have been a $cientology Magi$trate, a Class 8 of ethics. So I know the subject pretty well. I also know the law pretty well - just returning from a major patent trial on the east coast. That&#039;s a smart judge in the Garcia case, and the Garcias have a smart lawyer. There is NO WAY IN HELL $cientology can prove that assertion except by trotting out some &quot;happy clams&quot; to glowingly discuss how wonderful their CommEv was, and that would open the door to thousands of affidavits about the horrors of CommEvs. The noose on the dwarf grows nearer with every day in court.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I&#8217;d stayed in $cientology and finished two short courses I&#8217;d have been a $cientology Magi$trate, a Class 8 of ethics. So I know the subject pretty well. I also know the law pretty well &#8211; just returning from a major patent trial on the east coast. That&#8217;s a smart judge in the Garcia case, and the Garcias have a smart lawyer. There is NO WAY IN HELL $cientology can prove that assertion except by trotting out some &#8220;happy clams&#8221; to glowingly discuss how wonderful their CommEv was, and that would open the door to thousands of affidavits about the horrors of CommEvs. The noose on the dwarf grows nearer with every day in court.</p>
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		By: whingeybingey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whingeybingey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-636610&quot;&gt;Meccaanon&lt;/a&gt;.

I can tell that you&#039;ve never had a Comm Ev, because a Comm Ev is NEVER a nice thing! :p Even a Court of Ethics sucks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-636610">Meccaanon</a>.</p>
<p>I can tell that you&#8217;ve never had a Comm Ev, because a Comm Ev is NEVER a nice thing! :p Even a Court of Ethics sucks.</p>
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		By: Derek		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637223&quot;&gt;Michael Leonard Tilse&lt;/a&gt;.

Scientology staff are also considered religious volunteers just like the Sea Org. If Miscavige was afraid of having to pay them minimum wage then all the class v orgs would be shut down, not just LA Org. No one working for Scientology makes minimum wage or above.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/09/30/does-a-judges-order-in-the-garcia-fraud-lawsuit-suggest-trouble-for-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-637223">Michael Leonard Tilse</a>.</p>
<p>Scientology staff are also considered religious volunteers just like the Sea Org. If Miscavige was afraid of having to pay them minimum wage then all the class v orgs would be shut down, not just LA Org. No one working for Scientology makes minimum wage or above.</p>
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