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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2015 01:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-843780&quot;&gt;Peter Moon&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh my goodness, I couldn&#039;t attend, and I&#039;d have liked to chat with him, he was a pretty stellar person, I thought, I only knew him as a much younger wannabe (then, not now) of the top auditor ranks which I held Leon as about the best of them all, in my view.   


I don&#039;t think the practice of auditing is a wise career choice, it&#039;s a never accepted form of counseling.


Leon, as one of the Class 12s that I saw daily going to and from the Ls HGC when I was on the TTC as a total newbie tech trainee with my TIP that would have led me to reach a Class 12 status had I even been remotely capable of becoming an auditor, I didn&#039;t have it, I&#039;m not the counselor type, more the studier type, but Leon looked to me like one of the best practitioners of the Flag auditors at that window I saw them this was 1976-1979 when they all quit and routed out or blew.   


thanks for the info that he&#039;d come to that party and Amos would know of course how to contact him, if I knew what even to say.   I&#039;ve so lost interest in the whole subject.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-843780">Peter Moon</a>.</p>
<p>Oh my goodness, I couldn&#8217;t attend, and I&#8217;d have liked to chat with him, he was a pretty stellar person, I thought, I only knew him as a much younger wannabe (then, not now) of the top auditor ranks which I held Leon as about the best of them all, in my view.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the practice of auditing is a wise career choice, it&#8217;s a never accepted form of counseling.</p>
<p>Leon, as one of the Class 12s that I saw daily going to and from the Ls HGC when I was on the TTC as a total newbie tech trainee with my TIP that would have led me to reach a Class 12 status had I even been remotely capable of becoming an auditor, I didn&#8217;t have it, I&#8217;m not the counselor type, more the studier type, but Leon looked to me like one of the best practitioners of the Flag auditors at that window I saw them this was 1976-1979 when they all quit and routed out or blew.   </p>
<p>thanks for the info that he&#8217;d come to that party and Amos would know of course how to contact him, if I knew what even to say.   I&#8217;ve so lost interest in the whole subject.</p>
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		By: Peter Moon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611143&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

I just saw this comment. Funny how chat boards work. Leon is a chiropractor who might be retired. He was in or around San Diego and drove to a &quot;reunion&quot; or Terry Gamboa&#039;s birthday party last year with Amos Jessup.  Don&#039;t know how to get hold of him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611143">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>I just saw this comment. Funny how chat boards work. Leon is a chiropractor who might be retired. He was in or around San Diego and drove to a &#8220;reunion&#8221; or Terry Gamboa&#8217;s birthday party last year with Amos Jessup.  Don&#8217;t know how to get hold of him.</p>
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		By: Peter Moon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Moon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2015 16:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611147&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

HRH was ushered around - not sure by who - with a Leona Stats, a relative. I think that was her first name.  He was alone releasing in the aft lounge when I was up close to him and anyone could have come up and said hello.  It was very hot and he was getting a drink or something.  There is no way he would have been introduced to every member of LRH&#039;s staff or anything of the kind. It would have been totally &quot;OUT-R&quot; !!!! to say the least.  This was all a few weeks before Kima&#039;s mission with the money.  Although the mission was secret to some extent, I remember Mike talking to me about it...at least what he could say...as we looked over the rail into the harbor.  No way would Vicky have talked to him or gone out of her way in my opinion.  Jon Horwich would probably be the best source to find who talked to HRH as he probably would have at least a family meal with him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611147">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>HRH was ushered around &#8211; not sure by who &#8211; with a Leona Stats, a relative. I think that was her first name.  He was alone releasing in the aft lounge when I was up close to him and anyone could have come up and said hello.  It was very hot and he was getting a drink or something.  There is no way he would have been introduced to every member of LRH&#8217;s staff or anything of the kind. It would have been totally &#8220;OUT-R&#8221; !!!! to say the least.  This was all a few weeks before Kima&#8217;s mission with the money.  Although the mission was secret to some extent, I remember Mike talking to me about it&#8230;at least what he could say&#8230;as we looked over the rail into the harbor.  No way would Vicky have talked to him or gone out of her way in my opinion.  Jon Horwich would probably be the best source to find who talked to HRH as he probably would have at least a family meal with him.</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOTF2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611168&quot;&gt;Cosmo Pidgeon&lt;/a&gt;.

I think that may have come from Hubbard himself -- wise old gentlemen, worthy oriental gentlemen, etc. Hubbard redefined English at will, even while tethering the true believers to dictionaries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611168">Cosmo Pidgeon</a>.</p>
<p>I think that may have come from Hubbard himself &#8212; wise old gentlemen, worthy oriental gentlemen, etc. Hubbard redefined English at will, even while tethering the true believers to dictionaries.</p>
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		By: Espiando		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Espiando]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611356&quot;&gt;Ethics Officer&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s because I consider you and yours lower life forms than ungulates.  When I repeatedly told Marcotai that he fucked goats, I implied that it was the goat who was committing bestiality.


Now fuck off.  One more attempt to Dead Agent me and I will find you.  And I will use the auditing process described above on you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611356">Ethics Officer</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s because I consider you and yours lower life forms than ungulates.  When I repeatedly told Marcotai that he fucked goats, I implied that it was the goat who was committing bestiality.</p>
<p>Now fuck off.  One more attempt to Dead Agent me and I will find you.  And I will use the auditing process described above on you.</p>
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		By: Hover Sauce		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hover Sauce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m gonna put it this way:
Legalized Scientology does more harm than legalized marihuana]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna put it this way:<br />
Legalized Scientology does more harm than legalized marihuana</p>
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		By: scott autry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scott autry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 04:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;communists or capitalists&quot; - Uh, you can only go so far with this one.  Same as if you said &quot;democracy advocates or fascists&quot;...


The Cold War was not merely a fabricated pseudo-struggle devoid of any reality.  Nor was the very real ideological struggle that saw the birth of democracy in the 18th and 19th Centuries.  Nor the struggle between Segregation and real democracy in the South and elsewhere within American society during the Civil Rights Era.


Sometimes mere ideas are based on real-world realities - and whether one triumphs or not ---- means something terribly important.


Is Scientology just another religion/thought system?  If it became just as popular as Christianity in American society, would the nation be pretty much the same?


How well did the tens of millions dead under Stalin and Mao and other communist dictators fare?  Compared to even the real oppressed minorities in the United States or Western Europe during the same time period?


Ideas can kill - whether they need a human finger on the trigger or not...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;communists or capitalists&#8221; &#8211; Uh, you can only go so far with this one.  Same as if you said &#8220;democracy advocates or fascists&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>The Cold War was not merely a fabricated pseudo-struggle devoid of any reality.  Nor was the very real ideological struggle that saw the birth of democracy in the 18th and 19th Centuries.  Nor the struggle between Segregation and real democracy in the South and elsewhere within American society during the Civil Rights Era.</p>
<p>Sometimes mere ideas are based on real-world realities &#8211; and whether one triumphs or not &#8212;- means something terribly important.</p>
<p>Is Scientology just another religion/thought system?  If it became just as popular as Christianity in American society, would the nation be pretty much the same?</p>
<p>How well did the tens of millions dead under Stalin and Mao and other communist dictators fare?  Compared to even the real oppressed minorities in the United States or Western Europe during the same time period?</p>
<p>Ideas can kill &#8211; whether they need a human finger on the trigger or not&#8230;</p>
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		By: Qbird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qbird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611370&quot;&gt;Jens TINGLEFF&lt;/a&gt;.

You know Jens, it is extremely disconcerting to me that a human being such as Hubbard - a hideous man, inside &#038; out - could have done what he did... was so successful at... got away with... making a shit load of money off of using &#038; abusing other human beings.
It just isn&#039;t right.  (]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611370">Jens TINGLEFF</a>.</p>
<p>You know Jens, it is extremely disconcerting to me that a human being such as Hubbard &#8211; a hideous man, inside &amp; out &#8211; could have done what he did&#8230; was so successful at&#8230; got away with&#8230; making a shit load of money off of using &amp; abusing other human beings.<br />
It just isn&#8217;t right.  (</p>
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		By: Todd Tomorrow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd Tomorrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611338&quot;&gt;DeElizabethan&lt;/a&gt;.

I watched this last night and it broke my heart to see the cult destroy a person. I no longer care if,Debbie cook was called a lesbian in a cold vat of water.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611338">DeElizabethan</a>.</p>
<p>I watched this last night and it broke my heart to see the cult destroy a person. I no longer care if,Debbie cook was called a lesbian in a cold vat of water.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611700&quot;&gt;beauty for ashes&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh Yay you did it Beauty..woo hoo.. Oh you&#039;ll remember it.. The more you do it, it just becomes second nature.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/23/jon-atack-how-scientologys-methods-manipulation-stay-with-you-after-you-leave/comment-page-1/#comment-611700">beauty for ashes</a>.</p>
<p>Oh Yay you did it Beauty..woo hoo.. Oh you&#8217;ll remember it.. The more you do it, it just becomes second nature.</p>
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