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	Comments on: The axiomatic L. Ron Hubbard, and legal counterclaims from Scientology in Oklahoma!	</title>
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		By: Verve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2014 01:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-603288&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

Understood.  I was looking at it on a broader stage, since I&#039;m not personally affected by these.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-603288">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>Understood.  I was looking at it on a broader stage, since I&#8217;m not personally affected by these.</p>
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		By: Espiando		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Espiando]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-603018&quot;&gt;Verve&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t, because they don&#039;t affect me personally.  Tier One does.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-603018">Verve</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t, because they don&#8217;t affect me personally.  Tier One does.</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOTF2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 18:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602329&quot;&gt;Techie&lt;/a&gt;.

Techie -- I so totally empathize. I spent so much time trying to figure out that particular &quot;axiom&quot; and only years later in my recovery, chanced upon an art definition that used almost exactly the same words -- but but more clearly. In art, yep, you create the sense of space on a canvass by applying perspective, or the lines of dimension relative to the viewpoint of the viewer. 


Of course when in, no one could look at art history books or even sit around in a small group and ask &quot;what the heck do you think this means?&quot; Nope. Back to the dictionary. How many meanings of &quot;of&quot; can you try on to see if you can get clarity on &quot;space is a viewpoint of dimension&quot;? No &quot;verbal tech&quot; allowed. Only one teacher -- Ron. Learning is only in one direction -- from Ron --&#062; student. No dialogue. No understanding of pedagogy. Just indoctrination, invalidation of one&#039;s own common sense, and more indoctrination. 


Ever see those chalk drawings on floors or streets or sidewalks that look totally three dimensional -- but only from one viewpoint? Bingo -- there we have it from art: space is a viewpoint of dimension. You change your viewpoint, and the dimensions disappear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602329">Techie</a>.</p>
<p>Techie &#8212; I so totally empathize. I spent so much time trying to figure out that particular &#8220;axiom&#8221; and only years later in my recovery, chanced upon an art definition that used almost exactly the same words &#8212; but but more clearly. In art, yep, you create the sense of space on a canvass by applying perspective, or the lines of dimension relative to the viewpoint of the viewer. </p>
<p>Of course when in, no one could look at art history books or even sit around in a small group and ask &#8220;what the heck do you think this means?&#8221; Nope. Back to the dictionary. How many meanings of &#8220;of&#8221; can you try on to see if you can get clarity on &#8220;space is a viewpoint of dimension&#8221;? No &#8220;verbal tech&#8221; allowed. Only one teacher &#8212; Ron. Learning is only in one direction &#8212; from Ron &#8211;&gt; student. No dialogue. No understanding of pedagogy. Just indoctrination, invalidation of one&#8217;s own common sense, and more indoctrination. </p>
<p>Ever see those chalk drawings on floors or streets or sidewalks that look totally three dimensional &#8212; but only from one viewpoint? Bingo &#8212; there we have it from art: space is a viewpoint of dimension. You change your viewpoint, and the dimensions disappear.</p>
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		By: Verve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 16:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602224&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d put Disconnection and Fair Game on Tier One, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602224">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d put Disconnection and Fair Game on Tier One, too.</p>
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		By: valshifter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[valshifter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 07:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[is anybody else having problems with craigslist being stuck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is anybody else having problems with craigslist being stuck!</p>
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		By: media_lush		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[media_lush]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bit of late night might blind item guessing from Michael K


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit of late night might blind item guessing from Michael K</p>
<p>pic</p>
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		By: Elar Aitch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elar Aitch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2014 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602335&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;/a&gt;.

A Kiwi classic

http://youtu.be/z4PkMPAlMFo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602335">Observer</a>.</p>
<p>A Kiwi classic</p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/z4PkMPAlMFo" rel="nofollow ugc">http://youtu.be/z4PkMPAlMFo</a></p>
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		By: L.Ron Hubbard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.Ron Hubbard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 22:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602447&quot;&gt;ze moo&lt;/a&gt;.

It is true you release a lot of pesky Body Thetans with a fart acording the Tech.

-Ron, techie]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602447">ze moo</a>.</p>
<p>It is true you release a lot of pesky Body Thetans with a fart acording the Tech.</p>
<p>-Ron, techie</p>
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		By: L.Ron Hubbard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.Ron Hubbard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602362&quot;&gt;Sherbet&lt;/a&gt;.

No problem]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602362">Sherbet</a>.</p>
<p>No problem</p>
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		By: L.Ron Hubbard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L.Ron Hubbard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2014 22:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602704&quot;&gt;beauty for ashes&lt;/a&gt;.

Non taken, how about sitting on my lap ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/08/08/the-axiomatic-l-ron-hubbard-and-legal-counterclaims-in-oklahoma/comment-page-1/#comment-602704">beauty for ashes</a>.</p>
<p>Non taken, how about sitting on my lap ?</p>
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