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	Comments on: UP THE BRIDGE: We finally reach &#8216;OT 8&#8217; &#8212; but was its first version really a hoax?	</title>
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		By: Pietro Minkya		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pietro Minkya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I ran the entire set of rundowns from that LEGIT OT 8 HCOB,back in 1988, at he end of the year.It didnt do anything for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran the entire set of rundowns from that LEGIT OT 8 HCOB,back in 1988, at he end of the year.It didnt do anything for me.</p>
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		By: Pietro Minkya		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pietro Minkya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miscavige squirreled the original OT 8 by canning it and replacing it with a more palatable fake version that would offend nobody.I hereby declare David Miscavige, a.k.a Prince Tiny Meat, a super-suppressive person and order him to go on the RPF at Hemet,Ca where I will be his guard and attitude adjuster.You better be there,Miscavige.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miscavige squirreled the original OT 8 by canning it and replacing it with a more palatable fake version that would offend nobody.I hereby declare David Miscavige, a.k.a Prince Tiny Meat, a super-suppressive person and order him to go on the RPF at Hemet,Ca where I will be his guard and attitude adjuster.You better be there,Miscavige.</p>
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		By: Pietro Minkya		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pietro Minkya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was paid cash in 1988 to not disseminate that TRUE OT 8 document,May 5,1980.First it was checked by OSA via RTC.Once they confirmed it,they paid me what was owed me and I had to sign disclaimers etc.That proves that this is the true OT 8,or at least what was thought by RTC to be OT 8.I doubt RTC would be fooled by a forgery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was paid cash in 1988 to not disseminate that TRUE OT 8 document,May 5,1980.First it was checked by OSA via RTC.Once they confirmed it,they paid me what was owed me and I had to sign disclaimers etc.That proves that this is the true OT 8,or at least what was thought by RTC to be OT 8.I doubt RTC would be fooled by a forgery.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/24/up-the-bridge-we-finally-reach-ot-8-but-was-its-first-version-really-a-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-574269&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

Fred Harris.   We need Fred Harris to remember his early ASI years, Fred did loads of this LRH image footwork, Fred traipsed around the world doing LRH PR buildup stuff.   

ASI was behind the LRH Museum at Ivar and Hollywood Blvd.   

Two men, Fred Harris and Hugh Wilhere likely know the details.

Of course so would Terri Gamboa, who is today, as of the end of 2016, I make this comment 3 years later just to add important hope to this hope of revealing MORE of LRH&#039;s final years&#039; wishes for his own image and his goal to present his identity to the world in an acceptable way to achieve his megalomania goals, well, Terri I hope details more of LRH&#039;s final ASI traffic of 1982-1985ish.     But LRH&#039;s image stuff to Vaughn Young would be the best to help sort out what the plans were, and Nancy was not on ASI lines at that time, so it will be up to ASI staffers to recall what LRH wrote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/24/up-the-bridge-we-finally-reach-ot-8-but-was-its-first-version-really-a-hoax/comment-page-1/#comment-574269">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>Fred Harris.   We need Fred Harris to remember his early ASI years, Fred did loads of this LRH image footwork, Fred traipsed around the world doing LRH PR buildup stuff.   </p>
<p>ASI was behind the LRH Museum at Ivar and Hollywood Blvd.   </p>
<p>Two men, Fred Harris and Hugh Wilhere likely know the details.</p>
<p>Of course so would Terri Gamboa, who is today, as of the end of 2016, I make this comment 3 years later just to add important hope to this hope of revealing MORE of LRH&#8217;s final years&#8217; wishes for his own image and his goal to present his identity to the world in an acceptable way to achieve his megalomania goals, well, Terri I hope details more of LRH&#8217;s final ASI traffic of 1982-1985ish.     But LRH&#8217;s image stuff to Vaughn Young would be the best to help sort out what the plans were, and Nancy was not on ASI lines at that time, so it will be up to ASI staffers to recall what LRH wrote.</p>
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		By: Pomchop		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pomchop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 08:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All religions on Earth are alien religions of half truths and mis-direction given to us by the early alien colonists whether that be Lyra, Sirius, or Orion. That includes Christianity and Buddhism. Even Scientology which was created out of Hubbard&#039;s imagination and/or recall is a trapping system because of the the costs and inability to guide one through the mysteries of the upper levels of OT leaving one still one still in the trap system. 
&quot;Freedom is eternal vigilance.&quot; I am passionate about the journey so that is not a problem for me but the bottom line is that I do not want to be on the never ending treadmill of reincarnation with amnesia for eternity.
For me processing and understanding of the energy trapping system is a lot more fun than playing video games or watching TV which is now the focus of society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All religions on Earth are alien religions of half truths and mis-direction given to us by the early alien colonists whether that be Lyra, Sirius, or Orion. That includes Christianity and Buddhism. Even Scientology which was created out of Hubbard&#8217;s imagination and/or recall is a trapping system because of the the costs and inability to guide one through the mysteries of the upper levels of OT leaving one still one still in the trap system.<br />
&#8220;Freedom is eternal vigilance.&#8221; I am passionate about the journey so that is not a problem for me but the bottom line is that I do not want to be on the never ending treadmill of reincarnation with amnesia for eternity.<br />
For me processing and understanding of the energy trapping system is a lot more fun than playing video games or watching TV which is now the focus of society.</p>
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		By: Pomchop		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pomchop]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been processing the the newer OTVIII level for about a year now on my own. I really like it a lot. You get out of it what you put into it. At that level of processing there are no excuses for failure. You can either make the grade or you can&#039;t and blame doesn&#039;t really get you anywhere. It hinders you. I have learned a lot about the bodies trapping system. Also how theta lines paired together and opposing each in a duality make up energy units that function on their own without aware attention units on them. Many other things also that would not be real unless one was at that level. One has to build up their level of perception in order to flush things out and understand them. The purpose is full conscious awareness and the ability to look at anything on the whole track without restimulation.  At that level a supervisor cannot help you. You either get there on your own or you don&#039;t. 
Actual magician type abilities are very hard to acquire because they open up deeper levels of control and monitoring systems, both automatic and otherwise. The body can come under attack at any time so it has to be continually monitored to maintain health. We are born into bodies that are programmed to be a trapping system and programmed to get sick and even die if one goes beyond what they are programmed to be, do, and have.
Exploring the whole time track cannot be accomplished in a few weeks aboard the Freewinds. People attesting have to be in a keyed out state and unwilling to keep going or look deeper because of the costs involved in prolonging it aboard the ship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been processing the the newer OTVIII level for about a year now on my own. I really like it a lot. You get out of it what you put into it. At that level of processing there are no excuses for failure. You can either make the grade or you can&#8217;t and blame doesn&#8217;t really get you anywhere. It hinders you. I have learned a lot about the bodies trapping system. Also how theta lines paired together and opposing each in a duality make up energy units that function on their own without aware attention units on them. Many other things also that would not be real unless one was at that level. One has to build up their level of perception in order to flush things out and understand them. The purpose is full conscious awareness and the ability to look at anything on the whole track without restimulation.  At that level a supervisor cannot help you. You either get there on your own or you don&#8217;t.<br />
Actual magician type abilities are very hard to acquire because they open up deeper levels of control and monitoring systems, both automatic and otherwise. The body can come under attack at any time so it has to be continually monitored to maintain health. We are born into bodies that are programmed to be a trapping system and programmed to get sick and even die if one goes beyond what they are programmed to be, do, and have.<br />
Exploring the whole time track cannot be accomplished in a few weeks aboard the Freewinds. People attesting have to be in a keyed out state and unwilling to keep going or look deeper because of the costs involved in prolonging it aboard the ship.</p>
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		By: Andrew Kiyotaka Caesar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Kiyotaka Caesar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi everyone. U have all been very helpful in divulging the true nature of L Roung Tublard. Thankfully but regrettably I did not spend the 100&#039;s of thousands that some of u must have done.

All of the information and revelations have definitely reaffirmed and strengthened my faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of my life. Especially when Tublard makes those outrageous claims about antichrist in his high level OT briefs. I guess he wants to emulate his master badly.

It is very ironic that a man like Tublard who proclaims to be source, would ultimately refer to Biblical mandates misconstrued and gnostically referred to in order to imprint himself as a significant contributor participant. Pure rubbish of course but revealing nonetheless. Tublard true to his character as Lumbar Hissst. Pathetically sad.

Watched some movies recently and pretty much could tell which actors and actresses were influenced by Dianetics.  Was also impressed by the cinematography and special effects. But again, movies are not reality and what one sees and hears is not real or even remotely probable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone. U have all been very helpful in divulging the true nature of L Roung Tublard. Thankfully but regrettably I did not spend the 100&#8217;s of thousands that some of u must have done.</p>
<p>All of the information and revelations have definitely reaffirmed and strengthened my faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour of my life. Especially when Tublard makes those outrageous claims about antichrist in his high level OT briefs. I guess he wants to emulate his master badly.</p>
<p>It is very ironic that a man like Tublard who proclaims to be source, would ultimately refer to Biblical mandates misconstrued and gnostically referred to in order to imprint himself as a significant contributor participant. Pure rubbish of course but revealing nonetheless. Tublard true to his character as Lumbar Hissst. Pathetically sad.</p>
<p>Watched some movies recently and pretty much could tell which actors and actresses were influenced by Dianetics.  Was also impressed by the cinematography and special effects. But again, movies are not reality and what one sees and hears is not real or even remotely probable.</p>
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		By: annoymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[annoymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2015 05:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People were paying 100s of 1000s of dollars to here that sacrilegious garbage?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People were paying 100s of 1000s of dollars to here that sacrilegious garbage?!</p>
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		By: corpus vile		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[corpus vile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2015 09:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So we have a powerful private organisation, worth hundreds of  millions of dollars founded by an ardent believer/practitioner of black magic who thinks he&#039;s the &quot;Antichrist&quot; and whose religion has wooed Hollywood and whose breakaway faction, The Process Church of the Final Judgement was alleged by some to be a violent criminal  &quot;Satanic cult&quot;, and changed its name several times over the years to become the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, a private organisation that has made millions of dollars in revenue and who woo celebrities... 
*scary music from The Omen  blares*]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we have a powerful private organisation, worth hundreds of  millions of dollars founded by an ardent believer/practitioner of black magic who thinks he&#8217;s the &#8220;Antichrist&#8221; and whose religion has wooed Hollywood and whose breakaway faction, The Process Church of the Final Judgement was alleged by some to be a violent criminal  &#8220;Satanic cult&#8221;, and changed its name several times over the years to become the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, a private organisation that has made millions of dollars in revenue and who woo celebrities&#8230;<br />
*scary music from The Omen  blares*</p>
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		By: Valhalkarie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valhalkarie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2015 03:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So according to LRH the bible predicted the return of the anti Christ because when you have a christ there is always an anti. He was referring to himself,and with his contributions to this planet with light Bering knowlage the,bible prophicy is fulfilled. Dude!!!! He said all this everything,Koran,Talmud,the bible are all implants! so anything in this implanted book is an implant,therefore it could not predict the antichrist,or the positive of this same name. So is LRH an implant,that is holographic??? How can&#039;t anyone see the oxymoronic insanity??!!! I love how it makes me think,how do ppl that actually read every word from not see what I see,just by studying blogs and you tube????? Sad]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So according to LRH the bible predicted the return of the anti Christ because when you have a christ there is always an anti. He was referring to himself,and with his contributions to this planet with light Bering knowlage the,bible prophicy is fulfilled. Dude!!!! He said all this everything,Koran,Talmud,the bible are all implants! so anything in this implanted book is an implant,therefore it could not predict the antichrist,or the positive of this same name. So is LRH an implant,that is holographic??? How can&#8217;t anyone see the oxymoronic insanity??!!! I love how it makes me think,how do ppl that actually read every word from not see what I see,just by studying blogs and you tube????? Sad</p>
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