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	Comments on: Sunday Funnies: The desperation in Scientology fliers is getting worse. Much worse.	</title>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2014 04:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572342&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572342">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
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		By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2014 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-572329&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

If Scientology at this point leaked any &quot;shit&quot; on anyone like Travolta or Cruise, that WOULD sink Scientology.


If either one of those ex members messily left, and then Scientology did some retaliatory smearing of them, that would finish Scientology&#039;s reputation forever!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-572329">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>If Scientology at this point leaked any &#8220;shit&#8221; on anyone like Travolta or Cruise, that WOULD sink Scientology.</p>
<p>If either one of those ex members messily left, and then Scientology did some retaliatory smearing of them, that would finish Scientology&#8217;s reputation forever!</p>
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		By: chukicita		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chukicita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-571783&quot;&gt;Techie&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; Lisa says &quot;I have been having the same argument with my husband for 
months now and it just wouldn&#039;t resolve. Last night I spotted the third 
party that has been creating this issue and realized everything I had 
been getting upset about was somebody else&#039;s viewpoint!&quot; In other words,
 your crappy marriage is not the fault of you or the other person, but 
is the fault of some third party that is somehow poisoning. Yes, that is
 exactly the sort of personal power and responsibility that you are 
supposed to get out of all that Scientology stuff… All problems are 
somebody else&#039;s fault.&quot;

I just hope she&#039;s not blaming their baby.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-571783">Techie</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; Lisa says &#8220;I have been having the same argument with my husband for<br />
months now and it just wouldn&#8217;t resolve. Last night I spotted the third<br />
party that has been creating this issue and realized everything I had<br />
been getting upset about was somebody else&#8217;s viewpoint!&#8221; In other words,<br />
 your crappy marriage is not the fault of you or the other person, but<br />
is the fault of some third party that is somehow poisoning. Yes, that is<br />
 exactly the sort of personal power and responsibility that you are<br />
supposed to get out of all that Scientology stuff… All problems are<br />
somebody else&#8217;s fault.&#8221;</p>
<p>I just hope she&#8217;s not blaming their baby.</p>
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		By: Pierrot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-573037&quot;&gt;And I don&#039;t rent cars!&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for your loyal support Cars.
You are quite right in all what you said above, but we still want to be careful not to abuse Tony&#039;s hospitality.
We need an efficient system to remind the RED Xers and to update them on what is happening without intruding and disturbing interesting debates.
Rant is good it helps relieve the stress and tension!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-573037">And I don&#8217;t rent cars!</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for your loyal support Cars.<br />
You are quite right in all what you said above, but we still want to be careful not to abuse Tony&#8217;s hospitality.<br />
We need an efficient system to remind the RED Xers and to update them on what is happening without intruding and disturbing interesting debates.<br />
Rant is good it helps relieve the stress and tension!</p>
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		By: DodoTheLaser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DodoTheLaser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 07:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572406&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572406">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>LOL!</p>
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		By: And I don't rent cars!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[And I don't rent cars!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572196&quot;&gt;aegerprimo&lt;/a&gt;.

No. 
Absolutely not. 
NO! 
Fuck no! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just in case I might be misunderstood...
Eleventy gazillion times NO!

Thank you for all the time and effort you and the Red X Gang folks have spent to this very worthy and important cause, Aegerprimo.

You are not posting too often. Maybe if more people helped, including myself I&#039;m ashamed to say, it wouldn&#039;t be necessary to put the invitation out for people to join the flaggers. Who knows? But even then, you still have the right to do so and as often you want or need to! Do not let people have you sit in the back of the bus or be forced to drink at &quot;special&quot; water fountains for their convenience. No one drives this bus but Tony and he is also the one who owns the fountains. Period. Fuck the others who are whining and carry on. 

We are adults. We know how to reach our lazy ass fingers to collapse a comment thread IF it so damn annoying or bothersome! Post away. Post as often as you guys want to do as far as I&#039;m concerned. That is how I understand the structure and purpose of this blog and this community that Tony created. Except for the proprietor himself (a supporter of Free Speech), no one else has the authority to act in the role of moderator and to directly, or in effect, limit commenters&#039; constitutional right to free speech in the Bunker - unless it verges into hate speech, threatens violence, or violates current obscenity or other laws, of course. And still, Tony&#039;s comment 6 months ago made it quite clear that the responsibility to act on these was his and the decision was his alone.

After 24 hours, I&#039;m still trying (but failing) to compose a calm, rational, and curse word free comment about this so called &quot;issue&quot; and I am still too infuriated at the idea of people trying to control or limit people&#039;s right to free speech - especially on Tony&#039;s blog of all places - to do it without causing a flame war and division in the Bunker. I&#039;m doubly offended that the complaints were directed at people who were selflessly and tirelessly working to help bring down this damn cult by keeping people from being conned by the Craigslist ads and taking those first scientology or dianetics courses. Sheesh... 

Sorry AP that you had to listen/read some of my rant. You can see why I&#039;m staying away from the current comment section of the Bunker. I just don&#039;t trust myself to speak right now. I figured/hoped you&#039;d know me well enough by now to understand how unusual this anger is for me. It&#039;s indicative of how important I think flagging is, and how much I support and appreciate the Red X flaggers&#039; time and efforts. 

Once again, thanks to you and all the rest of the Red X Gang.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572196">aegerprimo</a>.</p>
<p>No.<br />
Absolutely not.<br />
NO!<br />
Fuck no! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Just in case I might be misunderstood&#8230;<br />
Eleventy gazillion times NO!</p>
<p>Thank you for all the time and effort you and the Red X Gang folks have spent to this very worthy and important cause, Aegerprimo.</p>
<p>You are not posting too often. Maybe if more people helped, including myself I&#8217;m ashamed to say, it wouldn&#8217;t be necessary to put the invitation out for people to join the flaggers. Who knows? But even then, you still have the right to do so and as often you want or need to! Do not let people have you sit in the back of the bus or be forced to drink at &#8220;special&#8221; water fountains for their convenience. No one drives this bus but Tony and he is also the one who owns the fountains. Period. Fuck the others who are whining and carry on. </p>
<p>We are adults. We know how to reach our lazy ass fingers to collapse a comment thread IF it so damn annoying or bothersome! Post away. Post as often as you guys want to do as far as I&#8217;m concerned. That is how I understand the structure and purpose of this blog and this community that Tony created. Except for the proprietor himself (a supporter of Free Speech), no one else has the authority to act in the role of moderator and to directly, or in effect, limit commenters&#8217; constitutional right to free speech in the Bunker &#8211; unless it verges into hate speech, threatens violence, or violates current obscenity or other laws, of course. And still, Tony&#8217;s comment 6 months ago made it quite clear that the responsibility to act on these was his and the decision was his alone.</p>
<p>After 24 hours, I&#8217;m still trying (but failing) to compose a calm, rational, and curse word free comment about this so called &#8220;issue&#8221; and I am still too infuriated at the idea of people trying to control or limit people&#8217;s right to free speech &#8211; especially on Tony&#8217;s blog of all places &#8211; to do it without causing a flame war and division in the Bunker. I&#8217;m doubly offended that the complaints were directed at people who were selflessly and tirelessly working to help bring down this damn cult by keeping people from being conned by the Craigslist ads and taking those first scientology or dianetics courses. Sheesh&#8230; </p>
<p>Sorry AP that you had to listen/read some of my rant. You can see why I&#8217;m staying away from the current comment section of the Bunker. I just don&#8217;t trust myself to speak right now. I figured/hoped you&#8217;d know me well enough by now to understand how unusual this anger is for me. It&#8217;s indicative of how important I think flagging is, and how much I support and appreciate the Red X flaggers&#8217; time and efforts. </p>
<p>Once again, thanks to you and all the rest of the Red X Gang.</p>
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		By: OrangySky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OrangySky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 03:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572341&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

LOVE this photo!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572341">DodoTheLaser</a>.</p>
<p>LOVE this photo!</p>
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		By: Chaka Kohn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chaka Kohn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For years until I moved, I got piles of this junk mail from COS every day. When my brother was 20 years old (in the 80&#039;s), he took a few courses in Orange County. 15 years later, my dad was dying so I forwarded his mail to my house. Lo and behold COS found my brother&#039;s &quot;new address,&quot; despite the fact that he&#039;d long ago grown up and moved on. I felt like I was looking at a Trekkie yearbook. The money COS wastes on junk mail is astronomical. I wish I&#039;d kept a few of the magazines, they were hysterical.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years until I moved, I got piles of this junk mail from COS every day. When my brother was 20 years old (in the 80&#8217;s), he took a few courses in Orange County. 15 years later, my dad was dying so I forwarded his mail to my house. Lo and behold COS found my brother&#8217;s &#8220;new address,&#8221; despite the fact that he&#8217;d long ago grown up and moved on. I felt like I was looking at a Trekkie yearbook. The money COS wastes on junk mail is astronomical. I wish I&#8217;d kept a few of the magazines, they were hysterical.</p>
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		By: aegerprimo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aegerprimo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 02:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572281&quot;&gt;Nat-lificent&lt;/a&gt;.

If my neighbor&#039;s dog shits in my yard (metaphorically speaking) and I say something about it or do something about it, the problem will get worse? 
I think not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572281">Nat-lificent</a>.</p>
<p>If my neighbor&#8217;s dog shits in my yard (metaphorically speaking) and I say something about it or do something about it, the problem will get worse?<br />
I think not.</p>
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		By: Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2014 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572406&quot;&gt;chukicita&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice find!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/22/sunday-funnies-the-desperation-in-scientology-fliers-is-getting-worse-much-worse/comment-page-2/#comment-572406">chukicita</a>.</p>
<p>Nice find!</p>
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