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	Comments on: Paul Haggis, Chill EB, and more Scientology fun in an all-video post!	</title>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-571550&quot;&gt;P P&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s what I had, until I restarted the whole thing!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-571550">P P</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I had, until I restarted the whole thing!</p>
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		By: P P		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[P P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570381&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

I had blank spaces for the videos til I refreshed the page,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570381">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>I had blank spaces for the videos til I refreshed the page,</p>
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		By: Eugene K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-569772&quot;&gt;Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t help to wonder when looking over these videos - do these people even know what they are doing? Do they ever stop and think about what they are doing and where it is taking them... of why they need all these buildings and staff and a billion dollars in IAS? What does any of this have to do with spiritual enlightenment? Even the new Ideal Org uniforms look like someone that would be worn at some higher class hotel or something. What does wearing &quot;designer uniform&quot; have to do with spirituality? On top of it, I am sure they are made of &quot;polyester,&quot; and polyester is basically fibers of plastic that is also used in insulating materials to block off electromagnetic fields. It may sound like a good thing at first in terms of blocking EMF that could be heading your way from electronics and so on, but it is not a good thing to block EMF extending out from the body. There is a whole science around this relationship between body&#039;s EMF and one&#039;s physiological and psychological state. This is one of the reasons that genuinely spiritual practices usually come with a &quot;uniform&quot; of loose cotton robes or some other natural material that allows the body to &quot;breathe&quot; and the energy from the body to flow freely out into the environment.

That&#039;s one thing. Then we have statements like &quot;A Fight Against the Reactive Mind&quot; as if it was some entity out there somewhere that a group can &quot;defeat.&quot; An individual &quot;defeats&quot; the &quot;reactive mind&quot; by assuming responsibility for all of its aspects. It is not done by a group, or by buildings, or even by processes if an individual does not wish to actively participate in them toward an end result FOR ONESELF and one&#039;s own spiritual enhancement (and not for David Miscavige or for staff statistics, or for the planet or any of those other reasons). In these videos and in actual Churches, according to my experience, an individual is virtually completely bypassed and ignored in favor of the group, the planet, buildings, mankind, and &quot;Scientology&quot; as some brand product that you are supposed to embrace and advertise. Where is YOU in all of that as a spiritual being? And yet that was the one thing that Scientology was supposed to address.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-569772">Chris Shelton (Galactic Patrol</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help to wonder when looking over these videos &#8211; do these people even know what they are doing? Do they ever stop and think about what they are doing and where it is taking them&#8230; of why they need all these buildings and staff and a billion dollars in IAS? What does any of this have to do with spiritual enlightenment? Even the new Ideal Org uniforms look like someone that would be worn at some higher class hotel or something. What does wearing &#8220;designer uniform&#8221; have to do with spirituality? On top of it, I am sure they are made of &#8220;polyester,&#8221; and polyester is basically fibers of plastic that is also used in insulating materials to block off electromagnetic fields. It may sound like a good thing at first in terms of blocking EMF that could be heading your way from electronics and so on, but it is not a good thing to block EMF extending out from the body. There is a whole science around this relationship between body&#8217;s EMF and one&#8217;s physiological and psychological state. This is one of the reasons that genuinely spiritual practices usually come with a &#8220;uniform&#8221; of loose cotton robes or some other natural material that allows the body to &#8220;breathe&#8221; and the energy from the body to flow freely out into the environment.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one thing. Then we have statements like &#8220;A Fight Against the Reactive Mind&#8221; as if it was some entity out there somewhere that a group can &#8220;defeat.&#8221; An individual &#8220;defeats&#8221; the &#8220;reactive mind&#8221; by assuming responsibility for all of its aspects. It is not done by a group, or by buildings, or even by processes if an individual does not wish to actively participate in them toward an end result FOR ONESELF and one&#8217;s own spiritual enhancement (and not for David Miscavige or for staff statistics, or for the planet or any of those other reasons). In these videos and in actual Churches, according to my experience, an individual is virtually completely bypassed and ignored in favor of the group, the planet, buildings, mankind, and &#8220;Scientology&#8221; as some brand product that you are supposed to embrace and advertise. Where is YOU in all of that as a spiritual being? And yet that was the one thing that Scientology was supposed to address.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 21:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570774&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I understand, but there are so many other comments that are better, I am a little hesitant to presume that I belong with them.


Occasionally, I do have flashes of brilliance.  The problem is, what I think is brilliant may not hold up in the &quot;light of day.&quot; The next day.]]></description>
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<p>I understand, but there are so many other comments that are better, I am a little hesitant to presume that I belong with them.</p>
<p>Occasionally, I do have flashes of brilliance.  The problem is, what I think is brilliant may not hold up in the &#8220;light of day.&#8221; The next day.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570357&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Its YOUR list!

 There is no hubris in documenting your own cleverness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570357">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Its YOUR list!</p>
<p> There is no hubris in documenting your own cleverness.</p>
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		By: Mr. Fabulous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Fabulous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 20:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[WOAH! Piling on the weight there Chill EB. BT bloat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOAH! Piling on the weight there Chill EB. BT bloat?</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570706&quot;&gt;Jgg2012&lt;/a&gt;.

True.  I was thinking more of the coercion involved for the poor clams, especially the underpaid Sea Or members.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570706">Jgg2012</a>.</p>
<p>True.  I was thinking more of the coercion involved for the poor clams, especially the underpaid Sea Or members.</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570662&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Gifts to employees are taxable, so gifts to employers should be also, especially when they are required.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570662">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Gifts to employees are taxable, so gifts to employers should be also, especially when they are required.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570638&quot;&gt;Jgg2012&lt;/a&gt;.

Remember, I Am Not A Lawyer (IANAL).

BE purchases, were, of course, a mark of the clam&#039;s affection for lrh.  That would be hard to prove as inurement, as well as the fact that the statute of limitations is long passed.  

The Christmas gift for Davy is something that would be probably covered under employment law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570638">Jgg2012</a>.</p>
<p>Remember, I Am Not A Lawyer (IANAL).</p>
<p>BE purchases, were, of course, a mark of the clam&#8217;s affection for lrh.  That would be hard to prove as inurement, as well as the fact that the statute of limitations is long passed.  </p>
<p>The Christmas gift for Davy is something that would be probably covered under employment law.</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570355&quot;&gt;Narapoid&lt;/a&gt;.

And had to contribute $50 every Christmas for a gift for Jerry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/19/paul-haggis-chill-eb-and-more-scientology-fun-in-an-all-video-post/comment-page-1/#comment-570355">Narapoid</a>.</p>
<p>And had to contribute $50 every Christmas for a gift for Jerry.</p>
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