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		By: Hamtaro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamtaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-538004&quot;&gt;Hamtaro&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;b&gt; &lt;i&gt;We’re told that this is a standard procedure in this particular court, 
and that there’s a good chance this lawsuit could be settled at that 
meeting.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/i&gt;

This one time, I have to 
respectfully disagree with our proprietor.  In the 20+ years I&#039;ve been 
reading Scn court documents, this is never the strategy.  It is always 
to delay the proceedings as long as possible and put the opposing party 
through a grueling war of attrition for both the plaintiff and the 
plaintiff&#039;s attorney&#039;s firm.  I think this is especially true this time 
because, whenever these suits are resolved, Scn will be forced to either
 close Narconon entirely or change its marketing to reveal up front that
 it is based on Scn beliefs and methods.  Either way, the revenue stream
 from Narconon will dry up.  

Already there are 15 suits.  There 
could eventually be 100, 500 or 2000 suits.  Therefore, Scn will have to
 accomplish (at least one or two of these) three things before even one 
suit can be settled:
A. Convince Hamilton to agree to not file any 
additional suits, ever, or come up with a Global Settlement fund that 
will include a maximum dollar liability that all Scn-related entities 
will have to pay to all plaintiffs, similar to the BP oil spill or Union
 Carbide at Bhopal.  
B. Narconon, Scn and their liability insurer 
must already be in serious conflict because not only can the insurer see
 the probability of many more suits, &lt;i&gt; Narconon continues to 
incur additional liability every day by continuing the fraudulent 
practices. &lt;/i&gt;  Therefore, no sane insurer is going to go forward
 without limiting their eventual liability by one of several methods, 
each of which is way too complex to go into here.  Obviously, these 
negotiations will take place outside the view of the court or the 
plaintiffs.
C. I fully believe Scn will never settle until one or 
more courts rule (during pre-trial motion practice) on the issue of 
liability for Narconon Inc and/or ABLE.  On the remote chance that 
liability can be limited to the local Narconon/Fresh Start corporations,
 Scn will then adopt the tactic of proving that each is individually 
insolvent or close to it and work towards settling the suits for 
nuisance values, say $50,000 a piece.  This is a tried and true Scn legal strategy that worked to delay the Wollersheim suit for over a decade.

Like
 most critics, my personal preference is to see a test case go to 
trial.  I certainly hope that if that ever happens, the first thing Ryan
 Hamilton does when it&#039;s his turn to speak in open court is to turn to 
the table full of Narconon/Scn attorneys and say &quot;Good morning, 
gentlemen, this is the session.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-538004">Hamtaro</a>.</p>
<p><b> <i>We’re told that this is a standard procedure in this particular court,<br />
and that there’s a good chance this lawsuit could be settled at that<br />
meeting.</i></b> </p>
<p>This one time, I have to<br />
respectfully disagree with our proprietor.  In the 20+ years I&#8217;ve been<br />
reading Scn court documents, this is never the strategy.  It is always<br />
to delay the proceedings as long as possible and put the opposing party<br />
through a grueling war of attrition for both the plaintiff and the<br />
plaintiff&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s firm.  I think this is especially true this time<br />
because, whenever these suits are resolved, Scn will be forced to either<br />
 close Narconon entirely or change its marketing to reveal up front that<br />
 it is based on Scn beliefs and methods.  Either way, the revenue stream<br />
 from Narconon will dry up.  </p>
<p>Already there are 15 suits.  There<br />
could eventually be 100, 500 or 2000 suits.  Therefore, Scn will have to<br />
 accomplish (at least one or two of these) three things before even one<br />
suit can be settled:<br />
A. Convince Hamilton to agree to not file any<br />
additional suits, ever, or come up with a Global Settlement fund that<br />
will include a maximum dollar liability that all Scn-related entities<br />
will have to pay to all plaintiffs, similar to the BP oil spill or Union<br />
 Carbide at Bhopal.<br />
B. Narconon, Scn and their liability insurer<br />
must already be in serious conflict because not only can the insurer see<br />
 the probability of many more suits, <i> Narconon continues to<br />
incur additional liability every day by continuing the fraudulent<br />
practices. </i>  Therefore, no sane insurer is going to go forward<br />
 without limiting their eventual liability by one of several methods,<br />
each of which is way too complex to go into here.  Obviously, these<br />
negotiations will take place outside the view of the court or the<br />
plaintiffs.<br />
C. I fully believe Scn will never settle until one or<br />
more courts rule (during pre-trial motion practice) on the issue of<br />
liability for Narconon Inc and/or ABLE.  On the remote chance that<br />
liability can be limited to the local Narconon/Fresh Start corporations,<br />
 Scn will then adopt the tactic of proving that each is individually<br />
insolvent or close to it and work towards settling the suits for<br />
nuisance values, say $50,000 a piece.  This is a tried and true Scn legal strategy that worked to delay the Wollersheim suit for over a decade.</p>
<p>Like<br />
 most critics, my personal preference is to see a test case go to<br />
trial.  I certainly hope that if that ever happens, the first thing Ryan<br />
 Hamilton does when it&#8217;s his turn to speak in open court is to turn to<br />
the table full of Narconon/Scn attorneys and say &#8220;Good morning,<br />
gentlemen, this is the session.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Hyder Simpson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hyder Simpson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2014 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And again we test.]]></description>
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		By: Hamtaro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamtaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-538292&quot;&gt;Pierrot&lt;/a&gt;.

Replied at the new WWP thread with something I think you&#039;ll consider good news. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-538292">Pierrot</a>.</p>
<p>Replied at the new WWP thread with something I think you&#8217;ll consider good news. 🙂</p>
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		By: Pierrot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2014 09:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553135&quot;&gt;Hamtaro&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Hamtaro,
RED X Think Tank conversation opened at WWP, see you there!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553135">Hamtaro</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Hamtaro,<br />
RED X Think Tank conversation opened at WWP, see you there!</p>
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		By: Pierrot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553214&quot;&gt;Hamtaro&lt;/a&gt;.

thanks for the enthusiasm bit, I got difficulties with this one, it is not me, did I mention I am a techie, not a people person!
I think the posts are there it just what Disqus chooses to show in this retrieval mode, unless you delete them, I have not deleted mine.
When we have our conversation I will delete my side of the story.
I will be back on Sunday, and maybe I will have a look in tomorrow b4 crashing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553214">Hamtaro</a>.</p>
<p>thanks for the enthusiasm bit, I got difficulties with this one, it is not me, did I mention I am a techie, not a people person!<br />
I think the posts are there it just what Disqus chooses to show in this retrieval mode, unless you delete them, I have not deleted mine.<br />
When we have our conversation I will delete my side of the story.<br />
I will be back on Sunday, and maybe I will have a look in tomorrow b4 crashing.</p>
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		By: Hamtaro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamtaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 21:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553202&quot;&gt;Pierrot&lt;/a&gt;.

Gotcha.  Have a nice weekend off.  *Somebody* is deleting these post, I thought you were doing it.  Anyway, I&#039;ll delete each one after you reply.  But really, have a great time. 

I&#039;m trying to come up with innovative, interesting, fun ways to basically say the same thing over and over so that it creates some excitement and enthusiasm with the Bunkeroos.  I gotta say, I was really happy with the reaction to that Zoolander post: those last 3 ads were gone in 15-20 mins.  Also, I&#039;m working on overcoming my natural shyness about being so &quot;out there.&quot; In any case, I&#039;ll do my best to support the cause.

 p.s. my family is away this weekend, so thanks for letting me know you&#039;re gonna be gone.  I&#039;ll try to help Hyder keep up the enthusiasm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553202">Pierrot</a>.</p>
<p>Gotcha.  Have a nice weekend off.  *Somebody* is deleting these post, I thought you were doing it.  Anyway, I&#8217;ll delete each one after you reply.  But really, have a great time. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to come up with innovative, interesting, fun ways to basically say the same thing over and over so that it creates some excitement and enthusiasm with the Bunkeroos.  I gotta say, I was really happy with the reaction to that Zoolander post: those last 3 ads were gone in 15-20 mins.  Also, I&#8217;m working on overcoming my natural shyness about being so &#8220;out there.&#8221; In any case, I&#8217;ll do my best to support the cause.</p>
<p> p.s. my family is away this weekend, so thanks for letting me know you&#8217;re gonna be gone.  I&#8217;ll try to help Hyder keep up the enthusiasm.</p>
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		By: Pierrot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553135&quot;&gt;Hamtaro&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Hamtaro,
Good job today at the Bunker.
Before I delete your reply (Which I CANNOT by the way), make sure you collect all your stuff.
I am off socialising tomorrow, in the coming week I will open a conversation for the 2 of us and review your observations to try to outguess CL &#038; co$, and device a strategy.
 Have a good w/e, Hyder should take care of the daily list tomorrow around 7-8am edt, it should be at wwp, if he cannot link it from the Bunker PA should take care of it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-553135">Hamtaro</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Hamtaro,<br />
Good job today at the Bunker.<br />
Before I delete your reply (Which I CANNOT by the way), make sure you collect all your stuff.<br />
I am off socialising tomorrow, in the coming week I will open a conversation for the 2 of us and review your observations to try to outguess CL &amp; co$, and device a strategy.<br />
 Have a good w/e, Hyder should take care of the daily list tomorrow around 7-8am edt, it should be at wwp, if he cannot link it from the Bunker PA should take care of it!</p>
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		By: Hamtaro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hamtaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 20:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-543230&quot;&gt;Pierrot&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Pierrot,
Here&#039;s some highly speculative, but bearing an apparency of being technically correct, CL info: today, on those 5 D.C. ads, I flagged each one 2 times from 67 diff. IPs, over a period of 5 hours.  They didn&#039;t fall.  Once I put the alert notice on the Bunker, they were down in 20 mins.  THEORY: maybe the cumulative number doesn&#039;t count as much as the *velocity* or *intensity* of flagging.  Meaning: this is why brand new ads go down so easy.  Lots of flags in mere minutes.  Ditto for ads up for several hours/one day but that suddenly get a large number of flags.  If this is correct, then the degree to which we can create one or two &quot;flash mob&quot; hits on a set of ads per day, the better our chances to down them.   Which means the more we laser focus on a group of ads, the better our chances.  Pls delete this ASAP after reading.  Have fun!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-543230">Pierrot</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Pierrot,<br />
Here&#8217;s some highly speculative, but bearing an apparency of being technically correct, CL info: today, on those 5 D.C. ads, I flagged each one 2 times from 67 diff. IPs, over a period of 5 hours.  They didn&#8217;t fall.  Once I put the alert notice on the Bunker, they were down in 20 mins.  THEORY: maybe the cumulative number doesn&#8217;t count as much as the *velocity* or *intensity* of flagging.  Meaning: this is why brand new ads go down so easy.  Lots of flags in mere minutes.  Ditto for ads up for several hours/one day but that suddenly get a large number of flags.  If this is correct, then the degree to which we can create one or two &#8220;flash mob&#8221; hits on a set of ads per day, the better our chances to down them.   Which means the more we laser focus on a group of ads, the better our chances.  Pls delete this ASAP after reading.  Have fun!</p>
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		By: Pierrot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierrot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 16:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-552864&quot;&gt;philosofa&lt;/a&gt;.

You might need to refresh your WWP screen to see your alert, you shoud see on your TAB that there is an Alert for your wwp inbox]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-552864">philosofa</a>.</p>
<p>You might need to refresh your WWP screen to see your alert, you shoud see on your TAB that there is an Alert for your wwp inbox</p>
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		By: philosofa		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philosofa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2014 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/05/12/scientology-is-determined-to-conquer-this-internet-thing/comment-page-2/#comment-552756&quot;&gt;Pierrot&lt;/a&gt;.

Have registered at wwp as philosofa - I will keep an eye out for a message in my inbox.]]></description>
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<p>Have registered at wwp as philosofa &#8211; I will keep an eye out for a message in my inbox.</p>
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