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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 05:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523006&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

Noted.]]></description>
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<p>Noted.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523021&quot;&gt;JonHenke&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder if he&#039;s carrying the Explorers Club flag on Target 2?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523021">JonHenke</a>.</p>
<p>I wonder if he&#8217;s carrying the Explorers Club flag on Target 2?</p>
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		By: JonHenke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JonHenke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523017&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

They are probably just eagerly awaiting Hubbard&#039;s report from the next level of OT research he&#039;s busy doing in his current exterior state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523017">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>They are probably just eagerly awaiting Hubbard&#8217;s report from the next level of OT research he&#8217;s busy doing in his current exterior state.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523012&quot;&gt;JonHenke&lt;/a&gt;.

Understood.

Again, the oddity is that there is NO indexed information at all about Hubbard on the Explorers Club site.

But there are mountains of references by Hubbard about his membership in his Scientology writings.

It appears to be an asymmetrical relationship with Hubbard (and his alter ego, Scientology) hoping to gain credibility by virtue of his membership in a well know organization.

Reversely, the Explorers Club apparently does not want to make much of Hubbard&#039;s membership as doing so carries a negative connotation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523012">JonHenke</a>.</p>
<p>Understood.</p>
<p>Again, the oddity is that there is NO indexed information at all about Hubbard on the Explorers Club site.</p>
<p>But there are mountains of references by Hubbard about his membership in his Scientology writings.</p>
<p>It appears to be an asymmetrical relationship with Hubbard (and his alter ego, Scientology) hoping to gain credibility by virtue of his membership in a well know organization.</p>
<p>Reversely, the Explorers Club apparently does not want to make much of Hubbard&#8217;s membership as doing so carries a negative connotation.</p>
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		By: JonHenke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JonHenke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 01:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-523008&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m sure they are not exactly thrilled at his membership, but I would guess the lack of indexing is more about a poor database search function rather than intentional exclusion. I searched for a couple other deceased members and got &quot;Your search did not return any results&quot; for each of them.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m sure they are not exactly thrilled at his membership, but I would guess the lack of indexing is more about a poor database search function rather than intentional exclusion. I searched for a couple other deceased members and got &#8220;Your search did not return any results&#8221; for each of them.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-522726&quot;&gt;JonHenke&lt;/a&gt;.

Good catch...thanks for finding these.

It remains a mystery as to why these two mentions of Hubbard on the Explorers Club website are not indexed in that sites search function.

Nor are there any indexed references to the many, many stories told by Hubbard throughout his voluminous Scientology writings regarding his exploits as a club member.

Maybe the club is embarrassed that he was ever allowed a membership?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-522726">JonHenke</a>.</p>
<p>Good catch&#8230;thanks for finding these.</p>
<p>It remains a mystery as to why these two mentions of Hubbard on the Explorers Club website are not indexed in that sites search function.</p>
<p>Nor are there any indexed references to the many, many stories told by Hubbard throughout his voluminous Scientology writings regarding his exploits as a club member.</p>
<p>Maybe the club is embarrassed that he was ever allowed a membership?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-522611&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

Don&#039;t be baffled.

Consider for a moment the remote possibility that there is something to learn that may not fit into the framework of what you currently believe to be true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-522611">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be baffled.</p>
<p>Consider for a moment the remote possibility that there is something to learn that may not fit into the framework of what you currently believe to be true.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-522605&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;But the point is that whether true or false in all details, these contemporaneous documents stand in stark contrast to what LRH and the church later claimed in his biography.&quot;

Agree with you on the point quoted above.

We have NOT however, seen a certificate from the Explorers Club. 

We have seen a JPEG of a piece of paper with some lettering on it, posted on a Scientology controlled website. Those are two very different things. 

That JPEG of a lettered piece of paper that looks like it might be a certificate was put on that church website for a reason.

Uncritical acceptance of appearances is EXACTLY what the church hopes will occur by the general public when they manufacture fictional documents and information. This is a foundational aspect of the PR training that folks in OSA (and formerly the Guardian&#039;s Office) go through when they study Hubbard&#039;s PR policies.

Reversely, when a OSA staffer is being debriefed following a mission, they are NOT ALLOWED to render opinions about what they saw or heard. They are required to reports EXACTLY what was seen or heard, without addition, opinions, evaluation or speculation. NO inferences at all.

There is a huge gulf between us in the understanding of how the church deliberately manipulates appearances.

The reason for my overly long posts on this thread is to provide a brief education on how the church PR machine operates to create fictional appearances that serve its malevolent purposes. 

That information may be useful to some who think they may have something to learn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-522605">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;But the point is that whether true or false in all details, these contemporaneous documents stand in stark contrast to what LRH and the church later claimed in his biography.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree with you on the point quoted above.</p>
<p>We have NOT however, seen a certificate from the Explorers Club. </p>
<p>We have seen a JPEG of a piece of paper with some lettering on it, posted on a Scientology controlled website. Those are two very different things. </p>
<p>That JPEG of a lettered piece of paper that looks like it might be a certificate was put on that church website for a reason.</p>
<p>Uncritical acceptance of appearances is EXACTLY what the church hopes will occur by the general public when they manufacture fictional documents and information. This is a foundational aspect of the PR training that folks in OSA (and formerly the Guardian&#8217;s Office) go through when they study Hubbard&#8217;s PR policies.</p>
<p>Reversely, when a OSA staffer is being debriefed following a mission, they are NOT ALLOWED to render opinions about what they saw or heard. They are required to reports EXACTLY what was seen or heard, without addition, opinions, evaluation or speculation. NO inferences at all.</p>
<p>There is a huge gulf between us in the understanding of how the church deliberately manipulates appearances.</p>
<p>The reason for my overly long posts on this thread is to provide a brief education on how the church PR machine operates to create fictional appearances that serve its malevolent purposes. </p>
<p>That information may be useful to some who think they may have something to learn.</p>
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		By: JonHenke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JonHenke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-520868&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m late in seeing this, but the Explorer&#039;s Club notes L Ron Hubbard&#039;s membership in a couple places on its website.

http://www.explorers.org/index.php/campaigns/legacy/legacy_society

THE LEGACY SOCIETY
* denotes member is deceased
...
L. Ron Hubbard*

http://backup.explorers.org/res_col/collections/deceased.pdf

Deceased Members of The Explorers Club, 1904 to 23 May 2007
....
Hubbard Lafayette Ron 1911 1986]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-520868">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m late in seeing this, but the Explorer&#8217;s Club notes L Ron Hubbard&#8217;s membership in a couple places on its website.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.explorers.org/index.php/campaigns/legacy/legacy_society" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.explorers.org/index.php/campaigns/legacy/legacy_society</a></p>
<p>THE LEGACY SOCIETY<br />
* denotes member is deceased<br />
&#8230;<br />
L. Ron Hubbard*</p>
<p><a href="http://backup.explorers.org/res_col/collections/deceased.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://backup.explorers.org/res_col/collections/deceased.pdf</a></p>
<p>Deceased Members of The Explorers Club, 1904 to 23 May 2007<br />
&#8230;.<br />
Hubbard Lafayette Ron 1911 1986</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2014 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-521974&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I am baffled by this whole exchange.


Hubbard was a member of the Explorer&#039;s Club. They allowed him to carry their flag. He sent them a number of dispatches over the years. These are indisputable facts.


Whether Hubbard was burnishing the truth in the things he sent is, as always, a distinct possibility. Reading this material makes it clear he had done so.


But there is no evidence that any material was planted/added/salted into the archive of the Explorer&#039;s Club. The whole tenor of the archive tends to support Hubbard&#039;s actual life, as opposed to the fanciful version that is being promoted by the Church of Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/21/convicted-of-fraud-by-frances-highest-court-scientology-still-pursues-creative-appeals/comment-page-1/#comment-521974">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>I am baffled by this whole exchange.</p>
<p>Hubbard was a member of the Explorer&#8217;s Club. They allowed him to carry their flag. He sent them a number of dispatches over the years. These are indisputable facts.</p>
<p>Whether Hubbard was burnishing the truth in the things he sent is, as always, a distinct possibility. Reading this material makes it clear he had done so.</p>
<p>But there is no evidence that any material was planted/added/salted into the archive of the Explorer&#8217;s Club. The whole tenor of the archive tends to support Hubbard&#8217;s actual life, as opposed to the fanciful version that is being promoted by the Church of Scientology.</p>
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