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		By: Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2015 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-984733&quot;&gt;David E Love&lt;/a&gt;.

Good job David, Much love and success to your book. 

This came to me from Disqus because my name I guess. Couldn&#039;t find what i said, but can assume.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-984733">David E Love</a>.</p>
<p>Good job David, Much love and success to your book. </p>
<p>This came to me from Disqus because my name I guess. Couldn&#8217;t find what i said, but can assume.</p>
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		By: David E Love		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David E Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2015 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-518205&quot;&gt;Kathy Nather&lt;/a&gt;.

Kathy Nather: Since most of what I’m going say here
will be in my book being published August 2015, please allow me to rebut some
or your accusations while I’m here fact-checking some time-line dates for a
chapter I’m editing today. First, I did not go to NN TR to “get off drug” – I went
to NN TR to see my daughter, Amber, who was the junior Ethics Officer. I spent
16 days in Detox before arriving at Narconon. While at NN TR, I tried
relentlessly to change things and help the students suffering from abuses. 

The Executives refuse to listen and make changes.
Kathy, you are probably well aware that NN TR had close to half a million in
their building fund until the Narconon Canada staff of 5 moved in, ABLE – Brad Melnychuk
moved in, and 2 from Narconon International moved in. All of these people bled
the bank account of NN TR ending in being unable to pay staff. The students
cooked, cleaned, and dishes, replacing paid staff. 

Yes, I was pulled into a relationship with the ESTO
Officer who replaced the ED … a move orchestrated by NN Int. and OSA. I was in
the ESTO’s office when she was online with OSA. And while we’re on the subject
of staff-staff relationships, and staff-student relationships, let’s detail
them, shall we. My daughter, Amber, a junior Ethics Officer, was in a 2D
relationship with the Senior Ethics Officer, James. Both were on Post, and both
had relapsed into alcohol and cocaine. Amber BLEW and escaped at 2:00 AM in the
morning leaving $11,000.00 worth of appliances behind, and continued for a
time, to use in BC. (have emails). The head Course Room Supervisor, Phillipe,
was having a 2D with a student at the Staff apartment complex. 

Another junior Ethics Officer in Training, James, was
pulled into a 2D with a staff member from NN Canada  … even becoming pregnant but lost the child.
The NN TR Legal Liaison Officer, had a 2D with a Grad Student and had a child,
but he had done the NN program more than once, and was unstable off his psych
drugs. This young Lad is now DEAD because a NN TR Registrar, Kyle, who was
shacked up with a NN TR executive, Sue, had relapsed back into cocaine and was sent
to Alberta NN to do a Repair. 

He was also the person who was involved with the guns
at the NN TR complex from the “English Guys” and one gun passed over the
balcony on or about January 1, 2009 when I was there at NN TR. That gun was
used in a suicide death by gunshot to head. I could go on and on, but I’ll wait
for the book for you to read. Kathy, just think about this. There was NO staff
at NN TR trained as professional councillors, no doctor, no nurse, no
therapists, and many of the students were there for the 2,3,4, and even 5th
time!!! What does that tell you? Many who left NN TR died shortly after
leaving.

So, Kathy, you sat you were “writing to defend the
staff members at Narconon Trois Rivières who are all out of a job now thanks to
David Love.” And it appears you are very angry and bitter about it? Do you
understand how close people came to dying inside NN TR before they were rushed
to the hospital to save them … similar to the 3 that died inside Narconon
Arrowhead in a nine month span?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-518205">Kathy Nather</a>.</p>
<p>Kathy Nather: Since most of what I’m going say here<br />
will be in my book being published August 2015, please allow me to rebut some<br />
or your accusations while I’m here fact-checking some time-line dates for a<br />
chapter I’m editing today. First, I did not go to NN TR to “get off drug” – I went<br />
to NN TR to see my daughter, Amber, who was the junior Ethics Officer. I spent<br />
16 days in Detox before arriving at Narconon. While at NN TR, I tried<br />
relentlessly to change things and help the students suffering from abuses. </p>
<p>The Executives refuse to listen and make changes.<br />
Kathy, you are probably well aware that NN TR had close to half a million in<br />
their building fund until the Narconon Canada staff of 5 moved in, ABLE – Brad Melnychuk<br />
moved in, and 2 from Narconon International moved in. All of these people bled<br />
the bank account of NN TR ending in being unable to pay staff. The students<br />
cooked, cleaned, and dishes, replacing paid staff. </p>
<p>Yes, I was pulled into a relationship with the ESTO<br />
Officer who replaced the ED … a move orchestrated by NN Int. and OSA. I was in<br />
the ESTO’s office when she was online with OSA. And while we’re on the subject<br />
of staff-staff relationships, and staff-student relationships, let’s detail<br />
them, shall we. My daughter, Amber, a junior Ethics Officer, was in a 2D<br />
relationship with the Senior Ethics Officer, James. Both were on Post, and both<br />
had relapsed into alcohol and cocaine. Amber BLEW and escaped at 2:00 AM in the<br />
morning leaving $11,000.00 worth of appliances behind, and continued for a<br />
time, to use in BC. (have emails). The head Course Room Supervisor, Phillipe,<br />
was having a 2D with a student at the Staff apartment complex. </p>
<p>Another junior Ethics Officer in Training, James, was<br />
pulled into a 2D with a staff member from NN Canada  … even becoming pregnant but lost the child.<br />
The NN TR Legal Liaison Officer, had a 2D with a Grad Student and had a child,<br />
but he had done the NN program more than once, and was unstable off his psych<br />
drugs. This young Lad is now DEAD because a NN TR Registrar, Kyle, who was<br />
shacked up with a NN TR executive, Sue, had relapsed back into cocaine and was sent<br />
to Alberta NN to do a Repair. </p>
<p>He was also the person who was involved with the guns<br />
at the NN TR complex from the “English Guys” and one gun passed over the<br />
balcony on or about January 1, 2009 when I was there at NN TR. That gun was<br />
used in a suicide death by gunshot to head. I could go on and on, but I’ll wait<br />
for the book for you to read. Kathy, just think about this. There was NO staff<br />
at NN TR trained as professional councillors, no doctor, no nurse, no<br />
therapists, and many of the students were there for the 2,3,4, and even 5th<br />
time!!! What does that tell you? Many who left NN TR died shortly after<br />
leaving.</p>
<p>So, Kathy, you sat you were “writing to defend the<br />
staff members at Narconon Trois Rivières who are all out of a job now thanks to<br />
David Love.” And it appears you are very angry and bitter about it? Do you<br />
understand how close people came to dying inside NN TR before they were rushed<br />
to the hospital to save them … similar to the 3 that died inside Narconon<br />
Arrowhead in a nine month span?</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-519020&quot;&gt;Dean Fox&lt;/a&gt;.

Exactly!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-519020">Dean Fox</a>.</p>
<p>Exactly!</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 15:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-519003&quot;&gt;Intelligenceplus&lt;/a&gt;.

Right on David. A big /&quot;SIGH&quot; for her and ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-519003">Intelligenceplus</a>.</p>
<p>Right on David. A big /&#8221;SIGH&#8221; for her and ways.</p>
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		By: Dean Fox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-518205&quot;&gt;Kathy Nather&lt;/a&gt;.

It is unfortunate those staff members lost their jobs. I also don&#039;t doubt their sincerity regarding wanting to help people; such sincerity is often found amongst scientology org staff too. It is saddening that the church of scientology takes such passion and sincere desire to help and twists it to its own ends. The church of scientology convinces people that giving their time, effort and money to the church of scientology is helping make a better world. It does this by convincing (brainwashing?) them first that scientology is the ONLY way to really help.  In reality it gets these people to feed the church of scientology time, money and effort. This is why the church of scientology has an asset book value in the $billions and liquid reserves to match. This in turn helps keep David Miscavige in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed. 

Unfortunately the facts are clear. Narconon funnels money to the church of scientology. Narconon&#039;s &quot;rehab&quot; process is basically scientology TRs and purif. The purif is a dangerous procedure especially for those in less than optimal health that has resulted in people&#039;s health suffering. There has been demonstrable lack of proper oversight of patients at Narconon resulting in rampant drug use that has resulted in deaths. Narconon has been proven to be corrupt, charging insurance companies for procedures already paid for for example. All these reasons and more are why Narconon has to be closed down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-518205">Kathy Nather</a>.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate those staff members lost their jobs. I also don&#8217;t doubt their sincerity regarding wanting to help people; such sincerity is often found amongst scientology org staff too. It is saddening that the church of scientology takes such passion and sincere desire to help and twists it to its own ends. The church of scientology convinces people that giving their time, effort and money to the church of scientology is helping make a better world. It does this by convincing (brainwashing?) them first that scientology is the ONLY way to really help.  In reality it gets these people to feed the church of scientology time, money and effort. This is why the church of scientology has an asset book value in the $billions and liquid reserves to match. This in turn helps keep David Miscavige in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the facts are clear. Narconon funnels money to the church of scientology. Narconon&#8217;s &#8220;rehab&#8221; process is basically scientology TRs and purif. The purif is a dangerous procedure especially for those in less than optimal health that has resulted in people&#8217;s health suffering. There has been demonstrable lack of proper oversight of patients at Narconon resulting in rampant drug use that has resulted in deaths. Narconon has been proven to be corrupt, charging insurance companies for procedures already paid for for example. All these reasons and more are why Narconon has to be closed down.</p>
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		By: Intelligenceplus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Intelligenceplus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 04:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-517645&quot;&gt;DeElizabethan&lt;/a&gt;.

Mmmm ... perhaps a &quot;Bubble-Head&quot; is working on their &quot;Condition of Doubt and Liability Formula&quot;? -- &quot;Decide on the basis of “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” whether or not it should be attacked, harmed or suppressed or helped.&quot; - AND- &quot; Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group one has been pretending to be part of despite personal danger.&quot; ... /*SIGH* ... And I&#039;ve got news for YOU, K.N. ... I was off drugs BEFORE I went to NN TR ... 10 days Detoxing in Hospital and 6 days in Vancouver Detox before arriving at NN TR. RE: Human Rights Commission Factual Report - January 7, 2013  - Case File: # C0686_09 – Case File:  # C1876_10
– Case File: C1048_11 ... NN TR Director, Marc Bernard, STATES: &quot; Page 14 - #52. QUOTE: &quot;He specified that when he [David Love] arrived at Narconon, his drug test was not positive.&quot;


So, K.N. ... as I was told on WWP when I first posted there, DOX or STFU! AND, you&#039;ll see thousands of MORE DOX in due course - *TICK-TO-TALK* :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-517645">DeElizabethan</a>.</p>
<p>Mmmm &#8230; perhaps a &#8220;Bubble-Head&#8221; is working on their &#8220;Condition of Doubt and Liability Formula&#8221;? &#8212; &#8220;Decide on the basis of “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” whether or not it should be attacked, harmed or suppressed or helped.&#8221; &#8211; AND- &#8221; Deliver an effective blow to the enemies of the group one has been pretending to be part of despite personal danger.&#8221; &#8230; /*SIGH* &#8230; And I&#8217;ve got news for YOU, K.N. &#8230; I was off drugs BEFORE I went to NN TR &#8230; 10 days Detoxing in Hospital and 6 days in Vancouver Detox before arriving at NN TR. RE: Human Rights Commission Factual Report &#8211; January 7, 2013  &#8211; Case File: # C0686_09 – Case File:  # C1876_10<br />
– Case File: C1048_11 &#8230; NN TR Director, Marc Bernard, STATES: &#8221; Page 14 &#8211; #52. QUOTE: &#8220;He specified that when he [David Love] arrived at Narconon, his drug test was not positive.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, K.N. &#8230; as I was told on WWP when I first posted there, DOX or STFU! AND, you&#8217;ll see thousands of MORE DOX in due course &#8211; *TICK-TO-TALK* 🙂</p>
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		By: Kathy Nather		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Nather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 19:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DeElizabethan you missed my point entirely. Dead Agenting David Love is not what I&#039;m writing about. I&#039;m writing to defend the staff members at Narconon Trois Rivières who are all out of a job now thanks to David Love. These people worked long hours to do what they could to save the lives of addicts that most families had given up on. Plus David Love got what he went there for: he got off drugs. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeElizabethan you missed my point entirely. Dead Agenting David Love is not what I&#8217;m writing about. I&#8217;m writing to defend the staff members at Narconon Trois Rivières who are all out of a job now thanks to David Love. These people worked long hours to do what they could to save the lives of addicts that most families had given up on. Plus David Love got what he went there for: he got off drugs. </p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-517704&quot;&gt;Kathy Nather&lt;/a&gt;.

Yada, yada. And what are you doing about the abuses, deaths and crimes committed by the cult? Dead agenting others shows where you are coming from.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-517704">Kathy Nather</a>.</p>
<p>Yada, yada. And what are you doing about the abuses, deaths and crimes committed by the cult? Dead agenting others shows where you are coming from.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Nather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DeElizabethan, don&#039;t jump to conclusions about David Love being a good guy because you both don&#039;t like Scientology. First, I&#039;m not in the bubble. I&#039;m a declared SP as of 2013. This came about because I refused to disconnect from my children when they were against me doing OT V at Flag. Instead I walked out of Flag and retired from Narconon Int. I worked there in Qual for 8 years. Although Narconon Centers are licensed by ABLE and sometimes micromanaged by them, especially regarding legal matters, Narconon is NOT Scientology. What started out as a drug addict self-help group in an Arizona prison in 1966 has grown. But it has not outgrown it&#039;s heart of ex addicts helping addicts get off drugs. In 1966 the program was TRs and chapters of Fundamentals of Thought. Nothing more. This has changed over the years to include more but it&#039;s heart remained the same. This is why David Love is no hero. He came to Narconon Trois Rivières to get off drugs and did so. Then he joined staff and gained the trust of his fellow staff. Now there is no more Narconon Trois Rivières. He betrayed the people who helped him and destroyed their lives as well as the lives of the addicts who had to leave the Center when it was suddenly shut down. David Love has portrayed himself as a victim. The opposite is true. He is a cold blooded snake in the grass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeElizabethan, don&#8217;t jump to conclusions about David Love being a good guy because you both don&#8217;t like Scientology. First, I&#8217;m not in the bubble. I&#8217;m a declared SP as of 2013. This came about because I refused to disconnect from my children when they were against me doing OT V at Flag. Instead I walked out of Flag and retired from Narconon Int. I worked there in Qual for 8 years. Although Narconon Centers are licensed by ABLE and sometimes micromanaged by them, especially regarding legal matters, Narconon is NOT Scientology. What started out as a drug addict self-help group in an Arizona prison in 1966 has grown. But it has not outgrown it&#8217;s heart of ex addicts helping addicts get off drugs. In 1966 the program was TRs and chapters of Fundamentals of Thought. Nothing more. This has changed over the years to include more but it&#8217;s heart remained the same. This is why David Love is no hero. He came to Narconon Trois Rivières to get off drugs and did so. Then he joined staff and gained the trust of his fellow staff. Now there is no more Narconon Trois Rivières. He betrayed the people who helped him and destroyed their lives as well as the lives of the addicts who had to leave the Center when it was suddenly shut down. David Love has portrayed himself as a victim. The opposite is true. He is a cold blooded snake in the grass.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-517483&quot;&gt;Kathy Nather&lt;/a&gt;.

Lady? you must be one of those bubble head scientologists doing what you do best, being stupid!         I was stupid for awhile too and can see you now! It&#039;s alright to doubt your organization and you could become free of suppression and realize truth. Do some real research please?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/04/11/verdict-scientologys-quebec-rehab-facility-violated-human-rights-of-david-love-and-two-others/comment-page-2/#comment-517483">Kathy Nather</a>.</p>
<p>Lady? you must be one of those bubble head scientologists doing what you do best, being stupid!         I was stupid for awhile too and can see you now! It&#8217;s alright to doubt your organization and you could become free of suppression and realize truth. Do some real research please?</p>
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