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	Comments on: Jon Atack: The harassment of independent Scientologists didn&#8217;t begin with David Miscavige	</title>
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		By: Jeff Cigar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Cigar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-479128&quot;&gt;Heidi&lt;/a&gt;.

Who gives a shit?  Are you still studying Scientology that you always brag about?  Will Tony let YOU stay here?  Are you still practicing &quot;Stupidity&quot; as well?  Obviously you stupid twat.  BTW, Catch up, I&#039;ve been posting for two days asshole.  Can you read you fuckhead?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-479128">Heidi</a>.</p>
<p>Who gives a shit?  Are you still studying Scientology that you always brag about?  Will Tony let YOU stay here?  Are you still practicing &#8220;Stupidity&#8221; as well?  Obviously you stupid twat.  BTW, Catch up, I&#8217;ve been posting for two days asshole.  Can you read you fuckhead?</p>
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		By: Heidi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heidi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2014 03:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-478654&quot;&gt;Jeff Cigar&lt;/a&gt;.

We can all see that you are Jeff Cigar née Lifter. Won&#039;t you get in trouble for coming here? How can you avoid the entheta? Btw, catch up. This article is two days old, CHICKEN!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-478654">Jeff Cigar</a>.</p>
<p>We can all see that you are Jeff Cigar née Lifter. Won&#8217;t you get in trouble for coming here? How can you avoid the entheta? Btw, catch up. This article is two days old, CHICKEN!</p>
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		By: Jeff Cigar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Cigar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476522&quot;&gt;Heidi&lt;/a&gt;.

Are you still studying Scientology Heidi/Rachel?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476522">Heidi</a>.</p>
<p>Are you still studying Scientology Heidi/Rachel?</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 10:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-478261&quot;&gt;kmadelyn&lt;/a&gt;.

I believe that her taking things slowly in revealing what her experience has been one of the best things she could do.  For DM, that must be like a dripping faucet in the middle of the night.  He knows she can nail his ass to the wall with what she can tell.

I believe Leah&#039;s sister died recently, too.  That&#039;s a lot to process.

When and if she tells her story, it will make more bad publicity for Co$.  If she doesn&#039;t, I still with her the best.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-478261">kmadelyn</a>.</p>
<p>I believe that her taking things slowly in revealing what her experience has been one of the best things she could do.  For DM, that must be like a dripping faucet in the middle of the night.  He knows she can nail his ass to the wall with what she can tell.</p>
<p>I believe Leah&#8217;s sister died recently, too.  That&#8217;s a lot to process.</p>
<p>When and if she tells her story, it will make more bad publicity for Co$.  If she doesn&#8217;t, I still with her the best.</p>
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		By: kmadelyn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kmadelyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476676&quot;&gt;Tony Ortega&lt;/a&gt;.

Odd note: the very end of your Rinder post that refers to all of the empty Ideal Orgs suddenly reminded of the Potempkin Villages in Queen Catherine&#039;s Russia. If I recall correctly, before Catherine set out on a journey thru the country, Gen P had temporary &quot;Village&quot; constructs built to conceal the ugly reality from her regal view. Miscavige&#039;s insane &quot;Ideal Org&quot; openings seem intended to conceal the ugly reality from his regal view almost as much as for the whales &#038; PR... (well, I *did* say it was an &quot;odd note ;) .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476676">Tony Ortega</a>.</p>
<p>Odd note: the very end of your Rinder post that refers to all of the empty Ideal Orgs suddenly reminded of the Potempkin Villages in Queen Catherine&#8217;s Russia. If I recall correctly, before Catherine set out on a journey thru the country, Gen P had temporary &#8220;Village&#8221; constructs built to conceal the ugly reality from her regal view. Miscavige&#8217;s insane &#8220;Ideal Org&#8221; openings seem intended to conceal the ugly reality from his regal view almost as much as for the whales &amp; PR&#8230; (well, I *did* say it was an &#8220;odd note 😉 .</p>
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		By: kmadelyn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kmadelyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 07:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476547&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

I thought this was a remarkably revealing interview for Leah R to give at this stage. But am surprised by some of the expectations placed on her shoulders right now. Is she obligated to write a book? Or to speak in detail now, before taking time to process what she&#039;s been through? Apologize for being raised in a cult in which &#039;get money; more money! [from members]&#039; is a scripture? Do Jason Beghe &#038; P Haggis owe apologies for being brainwashed into giving *their* $$$ to Clear The Planet/deposit into Miniscavage&#039;s Swiss accounts? 

Leah would have gotten love-bombed while CO$ siphoned her sitcom earnings, but was still &quot;In&quot; enough to pay for &#038; endure intense sec-checks after the Cruise Wedding KR. There&#039;s so much to assess--from that painful year as a sci-kid in Fla, to the many lies she swallowed as a sci-celeb--&#038; decades of friendships that vanished overnight.  

Decompressing from a lifetime of conditioning &#038; insulation could take a few years; even reading once-Forbidden content about the sci-slave lifestyles of not-rich &#038; famous dissidents could still be harrowing (hope she reads Jenna&#039;s book among others, to find out what she was spared when her mom moved them from Fla to CA). Sorry if this is a rant, but as others have noted, it may take a long time to deal with what must be countless mixed emotions before she can decide what she feels is right to do as a public personality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476547">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>I thought this was a remarkably revealing interview for Leah R to give at this stage. But am surprised by some of the expectations placed on her shoulders right now. Is she obligated to write a book? Or to speak in detail now, before taking time to process what she&#8217;s been through? Apologize for being raised in a cult in which &#8216;get money; more money! [from members]&#8217; is a scripture? Do Jason Beghe &amp; P Haggis owe apologies for being brainwashed into giving *their* $$$ to Clear The Planet/deposit into Miniscavage&#8217;s Swiss accounts? </p>
<p>Leah would have gotten love-bombed while CO$ siphoned her sitcom earnings, but was still &#8220;In&#8221; enough to pay for &amp; endure intense sec-checks after the Cruise Wedding KR. There&#8217;s so much to assess&#8211;from that painful year as a sci-kid in Fla, to the many lies she swallowed as a sci-celeb&#8211;&amp; decades of friendships that vanished overnight.  </p>
<p>Decompressing from a lifetime of conditioning &amp; insulation could take a few years; even reading once-Forbidden content about the sci-slave lifestyles of not-rich &amp; famous dissidents could still be harrowing (hope she reads Jenna&#8217;s book among others, to find out what she was spared when her mom moved them from Fla to CA). Sorry if this is a rant, but as others have noted, it may take a long time to deal with what must be countless mixed emotions before she can decide what she feels is right to do as a public personality.</p>
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		By: Haaywood Jablomie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Haaywood Jablomie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 01:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;even though they still admire Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard&#8230;&#8221;   They escape the mind control, grade-school psychology and extortion but don&#8217;t grasp that Hubbard started that M.O?</p>
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		By: Get Chutney Love		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Get Chutney Love]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-477822&quot;&gt;ze moo&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, that&#039;s it.  See, my SeaMonkey browser automatically logs me into their website, and in the old comments I was al ombra, with a photo of an owl perched atop a cypress tree.  They&#039;ve switched over to a new comments system which seems to not quite work yet, but I suppose they want me to upload a new avatar because they threw out the old comment system branch and root, I suppose.

 &lt;i&gt;Daily and Sunday subscriptions are the lifeblood of the paper, I have 
seen lots of them go to printing 3 days a week or even dying&lt;/i&gt;

Not only that, but in some outlying areas they have newspaper vending stands for the LA Times, and it&#039;s gone up from 75 cents to a buck-and-a-half.  Say what you will about the SF Chronicle, it raised its&#039; prices early enough to get people to pay for a paper available from where I sit north thru the state to the Oregon border.  They have an SFChronicle pay site, and I might subscribe to it because I don&#039;t need the ads and it&#039;s a PITA to have to run out and grab a copy from a machine that needs exact change every day.  When I was getting the LA Times daily, I would get a roll of quarters so that I wouldn&#039;t miss at least a week or so of the paper.  

The decline is sad, newspapers were what I started reading about 2 or 3 years after I learned to read.  I have a cousin who used to go through and read the Life Magazine(s) that one of her relatives had when they&#039;d go to visit, and she was 5 at the time.  

I hacked an account with the NYT so it logs me into there as well.  I used a username and password that used to be used early when they would only let registered users read their stuff and was on bugmenot(dot)com.  To my surprise, it worked for a real account, and I&#039;ve been using it ever since.  The Shadow Knows!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-477822">ze moo</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, that&#8217;s it.  See, my SeaMonkey browser automatically logs me into their website, and in the old comments I was al ombra, with a photo of an owl perched atop a cypress tree.  They&#8217;ve switched over to a new comments system which seems to not quite work yet, but I suppose they want me to upload a new avatar because they threw out the old comment system branch and root, I suppose.</p>
<p> <i>Daily and Sunday subscriptions are the lifeblood of the paper, I have<br />
seen lots of them go to printing 3 days a week or even dying</i></p>
<p>Not only that, but in some outlying areas they have newspaper vending stands for the LA Times, and it&#8217;s gone up from 75 cents to a buck-and-a-half.  Say what you will about the SF Chronicle, it raised its&#8217; prices early enough to get people to pay for a paper available from where I sit north thru the state to the Oregon border.  They have an SFChronicle pay site, and I might subscribe to it because I don&#8217;t need the ads and it&#8217;s a PITA to have to run out and grab a copy from a machine that needs exact change every day.  When I was getting the LA Times daily, I would get a roll of quarters so that I wouldn&#8217;t miss at least a week or so of the paper.  </p>
<p>The decline is sad, newspapers were what I started reading about 2 or 3 years after I learned to read.  I have a cousin who used to go through and read the Life Magazine(s) that one of her relatives had when they&#8217;d go to visit, and she was 5 at the time.  </p>
<p>I hacked an account with the NYT so it logs me into there as well.  I used a username and password that used to be used early when they would only let registered users read their stuff and was on bugmenot(dot)com.  To my surprise, it worked for a real account, and I&#8217;ve been using it ever since.  The Shadow Knows!</p>
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		By: aquaclara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aquaclara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2014 00:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-477701&quot;&gt;aegerprimo&lt;/a&gt;.

Remember how exciting last year was, even kicking off strong in January?!  Now, 2014, it&#039;s even bigger!  I truly think we are beginning to reach the tipping point.  It has been a long time  coming......

And this is just the start of the year!  
Anyway, thank you, and great job! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-477701">aegerprimo</a>.</p>
<p>Remember how exciting last year was, even kicking off strong in January?!  Now, 2014, it&#8217;s even bigger!  I truly think we are beginning to reach the tipping point.  It has been a long time  coming&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>And this is just the start of the year!<br />
Anyway, thank you, and great job! </p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ze moo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2014 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476984&quot;&gt;Get Chutney Love&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the LA times kicks me out after 10 articles. The NY Times is the same. I just clear out my cookies and go back to reading. Daily and Sunday subscriptions are the lifeblood of the paper, I have seen lots of them go to printing 3 days a week or even dying. Tis sad, but I can still get my Doonesbury and Brewster Rockit on the web.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/03/01/jon-atack-the-harassment-of-independent-scientologists-didnt-begin-with-david-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-476984">Get Chutney Love</a>.</p>
<p>I think the LA times kicks me out after 10 articles. The NY Times is the same. I just clear out my cookies and go back to reading. Daily and Sunday subscriptions are the lifeblood of the paper, I have seen lots of them go to printing 3 days a week or even dying. Tis sad, but I can still get my Doonesbury and Brewster Rockit on the web.</p>
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