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		By: mockingbird		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is one of my very favorite Scientology Mythbusting pieces. I have written extensively on the tech and the harm it causes http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37203-MOCKINGBIRD-RECOMMEND-S-A-SEQUENCE-OF-STUDY I hope this is of use to some of you .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of my very favorite Scientology Mythbusting pieces. I have written extensively on the tech and the harm it causes <a href="http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37203-MOCKINGBIRD-RECOMMEND-S-A-SEQUENCE-OF-STUDY" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37203-MOCKINGBIRD-RECOMMEND-S-A-SEQUENCE-OF-STUDY</a> I hope this is of use to some of you .</p>
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		By: AintMizBahavin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-457960&quot;&gt;toomuchhead&lt;/a&gt;.

almost as much as your misspelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it isnt hard to tell your still a muppet of militant midgets hahahahahahaha]]></description>
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<p>almost as much as your misspelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it isnt hard to tell your still a muppet of militant midgets hahahahahahaha</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2014 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-460080&quot;&gt;Buttons72&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, Buttons, I think you’re right..

then again, pst people are not he net, and if you google the ‘church’ you have a good chance of getting some real info, which is poison to their platitudes.. I just remember watching the Hubbard stuff and (I’ma  director myself) thinking, “This is so hopelessly amateurish— How could anyone be fooled?” 
And yet they were. The good news is that the Superbowl spots, slick as it was, and as widely seen raised more eyebrows than income, and apparently enrollment is down from last year at the same time.. So negative to no effect as of  yet… 
The Truth will out!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-460080">Buttons72</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, Buttons, I think you’re right..</p>
<p>then again, pst people are not he net, and if you google the ‘church’ you have a good chance of getting some real info, which is poison to their platitudes.. I just remember watching the Hubbard stuff and (I’ma  director myself) thinking, “This is so hopelessly amateurish— How could anyone be fooled?”<br />
And yet they were. The good news is that the Superbowl spots, slick as it was, and as widely seen raised more eyebrows than income, and apparently enrollment is down from last year at the same time.. So negative to no effect as of  yet…<br />
The Truth will out!</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 18:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-460092&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course, McSlappy is jealous of those who are educated, and who can write in a coherent manner.  I think one reason Tom Cruise became his best friend is because Tom also lacks an education.   It is assumed that since David suffered from ( ? severe) asthma in childhood he still suffers from it.  Add to that his smoking habit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-460092">Barbara Angel</a>.</p>
<p>Of course, McSlappy is jealous of those who are educated, and who can write in a coherent manner.  I think one reason Tom Cruise became his best friend is because Tom also lacks an education.   It is assumed that since David suffered from ( ? severe) asthma in childhood he still suffers from it.  Add to that his smoking habit.</p>
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		By: Barbara Angel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Angel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459981&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I remember McSlappy began slapping people at a young age and slapped a women during a session.  Hahahaha a propensity towards viciousness at a young age. Some have written that has refused to be audited, perhaps because he feels it doesn&#039;t work anyway?  Or if it did, his vile thoughts toward others would be officially on record. What do reckon the value of Co$ administration classes would be?  The clear lack of formal education and reading and writing skills of a Co$ education don&#039;t amount to much.  It appears he has a natural talent for lying &#038; scamming i.e. changing the punctuation in the books and insisting that &quot;everyone&quot; by complete new sets. Not much to be proud of for McSlappy, I&#039;m guessing he would be resentful of those that have a proper education.  Do you know if he&#039;s still asthmatic?  Or is that another of his filthy little secrets he keeps hidden?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459981">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I remember McSlappy began slapping people at a young age and slapped a women during a session.  Hahahaha a propensity towards viciousness at a young age. Some have written that has refused to be audited, perhaps because he feels it doesn&#8217;t work anyway?  Or if it did, his vile thoughts toward others would be officially on record. What do reckon the value of Co$ administration classes would be?  The clear lack of formal education and reading and writing skills of a Co$ education don&#8217;t amount to much.  It appears he has a natural talent for lying &amp; scamming i.e. changing the punctuation in the books and insisting that &#8220;everyone&#8221; by complete new sets. Not much to be proud of for McSlappy, I&#8217;m guessing he would be resentful of those that have a proper education.  Do you know if he&#8217;s still asthmatic?  Or is that another of his filthy little secrets he keeps hidden?</p>
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		By: Buttons72		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-458896&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Sadly, I agree with you, richelieu, these spots *are* well done.  I agree that they seem aimed at those already-in, to make them feel cutting-edge spiritual, but I think they are also targeting the young, rebellious age 14+ with the technology/spiritual angle.  I think they are going to get some curious dunces to look into this - provided that those people don&#039;t delve deeply into the internet before giving Co$ &#039;tech&#039; a shot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-458896">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Sadly, I agree with you, richelieu, these spots *are* well done.  I agree that they seem aimed at those already-in, to make them feel cutting-edge spiritual, but I think they are also targeting the young, rebellious age 14+ with the technology/spiritual angle.  I think they are going to get some curious dunces to look into this &#8211; provided that those people don&#8217;t delve deeply into the internet before giving Co$ &#8216;tech&#8217; a shot.</p>
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		By: Buttons72		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buttons72]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459981&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting, E-g.  Thanks for the history here...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459981">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting, E-g.  Thanks for the history here&#8230;</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-457381&quot;&gt;Mooser&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry for the delayed response...I&#039;ve been busy on other stuff.

I found this in answer to your question, although with the shrinkage of the church, the defection (or internment in The Hole) of most of it&#039;s senior management, as well as the passage of time, I simply do not know how accurate this is any longer. 

I post it probably as more of a historical document rather than an accurate description of what is in operation today. Hope it is of some use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-457381">Mooser</a>.</p>
<p>Sorry for the delayed response&#8230;I&#8217;ve been busy on other stuff.</p>
<p>I found this in answer to your question, although with the shrinkage of the church, the defection (or internment in The Hole) of most of it&#8217;s senior management, as well as the passage of time, I simply do not know how accurate this is any longer. </p>
<p>I post it probably as more of a historical document rather than an accurate description of what is in operation today. Hope it is of some use.</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 13:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459889&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

When David was a young teen, he was removed from auditing.


His father, Ron Sr. came home in 1972 and decided the family should all try scientology.  Supposedly, it helped David with his bad asthma. After deciding that scientology was wonderful, the whole family packed up and moved to East Grimsted and started taking classes and auditing at Saint Hill.


David was hailed as the youngest ever auditor, a wunderkind. Something happened.  David hit or slapped the woman he was auditing.  THAT IS A HUGE NO NO.  Karen de la Carrierre, of the videos that we often watch, was training at Saint Hill and has verified this.  


David and the family moved back to Philadelphia.  Ron Jr joined the Sea Org.  David was stuck in HS.  At !6, David was able to join the Sea Org and the rest is history.


It has been said that David has taken all the administrative classes that scientology offers.  I do not know if you can proceed up the bridge if you can not audit.  A good deal of the early stuff of going up the bridge requires you to be audited, but you also audit another.  This people are usually twinned for a specific course.  David can&#039;t do that stuff.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459889">Barbara Angel</a>.</p>
<p>When David was a young teen, he was removed from auditing.</p>
<p>His father, Ron Sr. came home in 1972 and decided the family should all try scientology.  Supposedly, it helped David with his bad asthma. After deciding that scientology was wonderful, the whole family packed up and moved to East Grimsted and started taking classes and auditing at Saint Hill.</p>
<p>David was hailed as the youngest ever auditor, a wunderkind. Something happened.  David hit or slapped the woman he was auditing.  THAT IS A HUGE NO NO.  Karen de la Carrierre, of the videos that we often watch, was training at Saint Hill and has verified this.  </p>
<p>David and the family moved back to Philadelphia.  Ron Jr joined the Sea Org.  David was stuck in HS.  At !6, David was able to join the Sea Org and the rest is history.</p>
<p>It has been said that David has taken all the administrative classes that scientology offers.  I do not know if you can proceed up the bridge if you can not audit.  A good deal of the early stuff of going up the bridge requires you to be audited, but you also audit another.  This people are usually twinned for a specific course.  David can&#8217;t do that stuff.</p>
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		By: Barbara Angel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara Angel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459217&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

&#039;Demented Maggot&#039; hahaha love it. Acceptance of Diversity brings with it the gift of love and tolerance for all mankind. Yes some believe in this shit, but the Demented Maggot certainly does not i.e. He does not and as far as I&#039;ve read subject himself to auditing nor (it is written) has he personally done all the levels?  He leaves that to the clams &#038; just appears to *relish* his role as Cruel Dictator.  He certainly believes LRH that Co$ is a great way to make Moare Moneeeeeeeeeee.  But how much money is enough??? 
Imagine him having to face Court with all his crimes notated?  He wouldnt be able to feel the slightest bit of remorse.  Part of his mental illness is a sense of Magnified ***ENTITLEMENT***  He believes he deserves &#039;every good thing&#039; and others deserve nothing....
When he leaves the planet someone should pack out his coffin with as much monopoly money as possible, so he gets to be buried with his &quot;Greatest Love&quot;.  Disgusting little creature/maggot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/08/jon-atack-on-scientologys-methods-of-thought-stopping/comment-page-1/#comment-459217">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>&#8216;Demented Maggot&#8217; hahaha love it. Acceptance of Diversity brings with it the gift of love and tolerance for all mankind. Yes some believe in this shit, but the Demented Maggot certainly does not i.e. He does not and as far as I&#8217;ve read subject himself to auditing nor (it is written) has he personally done all the levels?  He leaves that to the clams &amp; just appears to *relish* his role as Cruel Dictator.  He certainly believes LRH that Co$ is a great way to make Moare Moneeeeeeeeeee.  But how much money is enough???<br />
Imagine him having to face Court with all his crimes notated?  He wouldnt be able to feel the slightest bit of remorse.  Part of his mental illness is a sense of Magnified ***ENTITLEMENT***  He believes he deserves &#8216;every good thing&#8217; and others deserve nothing&#8230;.<br />
When he leaves the planet someone should pack out his coffin with as much monopoly money as possible, so he gets to be buried with his &#8220;Greatest Love&#8221;.  Disgusting little creature/maggot.</p>
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