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	Comments on: REPORT: Man was hired to keep Shelly Miscavige from escaping Scientology base near L.A.	</title>
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		By: Jane Martin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2014 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for talk about,  Your post is awesome and its really helpful<br />
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		By: Strelnikov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Strelnikov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Israeli business conference was for Ultra-Orthodox Jews (the &quot;God-fearing&quot;, i.e. heredim) and the two Scns sound like WISE members, or Scns posing for a fake business group made up by their &quot;church.&quot;

What&#039;s weird about the whole thing is that I thought large chunks of CoS-Israel had defected to the FreeZone.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israeli business conference was for Ultra-Orthodox Jews (the &#8220;God-fearing&#8221;, i.e. heredim) and the two Scns sound like WISE members, or Scns posing for a fake business group made up by their &#8220;church.&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s weird about the whole thing is that I thought large chunks of CoS-Israel had defected to the FreeZone&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Rebecca Howell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca Howell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2014 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One thing I notice about this organization that is supposedly helping one to attain an almost godlike state- why all the smoking and cussing?  Seems to me that these people aren&#039;t very happy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I notice about this organization that is supposedly helping one to attain an almost godlike state- why all the smoking and cussing?  Seems to me that these people aren&#8217;t very happy.</p>
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		By: Lady Squash		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lady Squash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Feb 2014 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-459439&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It sounds like a person would quickly become very enmeshed in the system... you&#039;d want to avoid getting other people in &quot;trouble,&quot; so you&#039;d just keep smiling and saying everything was great.&quot;  You got it exactly SE.  Glad I could help sort it out for you.  The way it works is powerfully covert.  And thank you for getting it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-459439">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It sounds like a person would quickly become very enmeshed in the system&#8230; you&#8217;d want to avoid getting other people in &#8220;trouble,&#8221; so you&#8217;d just keep smiling and saying everything was great.&#8221;  You got it exactly SE.  Glad I could help sort it out for you.  The way it works is powerfully covert.  And thank you for getting it.</p>
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		By: Lawrence DeWolfe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lawrence DeWolfe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chris Shelton going public with his great integrity and honestly after all those decades working as a dedicated believer is a MAJOR STORY in my book. This guy was EVERYWHERE doing Missions and working very hard from top to bottom in Scientology. His going Totally Free and speaking up is Amazing! Part 1 had 12 views....Part 2 had 1200 views. It should go viral ASAP!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Shelton going public with his great integrity and honestly after all those decades working as a dedicated believer is a MAJOR STORY in my book. This guy was EVERYWHERE doing Missions and working very hard from top to bottom in Scientology. His going Totally Free and speaking up is Amazing! Part 1 had 12 views&#8230;.Part 2 had 1200 views. It should go viral ASAP!</p>
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		By: Shirley Eugeste		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirley Eugeste]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458859&quot;&gt;Lady Squash&lt;/a&gt;.

Again, thanks. It sounds like a person would quickly become very enmeshed in the system... you&#039;d want to avoid getting other people in &quot;trouble,&quot; so you&#039;d just keep smiling and saying everything was great. It also seems like it would be really easy to intentionally cause problems for someone... if you were the type of person who liked doing that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458859">Lady Squash</a>.</p>
<p>Again, thanks. It sounds like a person would quickly become very enmeshed in the system&#8230; you&#8217;d want to avoid getting other people in &#8220;trouble,&#8221; so you&#8217;d just keep smiling and saying everything was great. It also seems like it would be really easy to intentionally cause problems for someone&#8230; if you were the type of person who liked doing that.</p>
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		By: Lady Squash		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lady Squash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-456943&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Shirley,  If a client is unhappy directly after a session, the auditor is sent to Cramming.  His error must be found and corrected.  Usually people feel good after a session.  After the session, one goes to see a person called the Examiner and you tell them you are happy and if the emeter confirms this, you are free to go home.  
The unhappiness comes later when you realize that you still have asthma.  You felt great after your session.  You believed you had discovered something in your reactive mind that was causing the asthma, you examined this and got rid of all the negative energy surrounding this.  And so you believed it was handled.  
Once you leave the Organization happy, the Organization is off the hook.  If you later come in and say &quot;Listen fellas I still have asthma after all&quot; the answer would be any number of things but one thing it wouldn&#039;t be is &quot;Gosh, I guess Scientology doesn&#039;t work after all.&quot;  It would be about you.  You would be investigated.  So often you just keep your mouth shut and hope somehow it will get handled down the line.
It&#039;s a positively diabolical system.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-456943">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Shirley,  If a client is unhappy directly after a session, the auditor is sent to Cramming.  His error must be found and corrected.  Usually people feel good after a session.  After the session, one goes to see a person called the Examiner and you tell them you are happy and if the emeter confirms this, you are free to go home.<br />
The unhappiness comes later when you realize that you still have asthma.  You felt great after your session.  You believed you had discovered something in your reactive mind that was causing the asthma, you examined this and got rid of all the negative energy surrounding this.  And so you believed it was handled.<br />
Once you leave the Organization happy, the Organization is off the hook.  If you later come in and say &#8220;Listen fellas I still have asthma after all&#8221; the answer would be any number of things but one thing it wouldn&#8217;t be is &#8220;Gosh, I guess Scientology doesn&#8217;t work after all.&#8221;  It would be about you.  You would be investigated.  So often you just keep your mouth shut and hope somehow it will get handled down the line.<br />
It&#8217;s a positively diabolical system.</p>
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		By: Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458843&quot;&gt;Eugene K&lt;/a&gt;.

Touché, Eugene, touché.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458843">Eugene K</a>.</p>
<p>Touché, Eugene, touché.</p>
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		By: Eugene K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eugene K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458848&quot;&gt;Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII&lt;/a&gt;.

Sure thing. Good luck with your education :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458848">Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII</a>.</p>
<p>Sure thing. Good luck with your education 🙂</p>
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		By: Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458837&quot;&gt;Eugene K&lt;/a&gt;.

Eugene, I am not psychoanalyzing you. I have not asked you to disclose anything about your mother or father, or any of your developmental psychosexual experiences. All I have done is respond to the ideas that you have expressed on this blog. A portion of my responses have been critical (perhaps superciliously so), a portion have recommended other thinkers that I find interesting and helpful (which you summarily and completely dismiss), and a portion of my responses simply characterize your responses, all of which seems to offend you quite easily (especially, it seems, when I suggest that you study psychology or neuroscience). Your only condition that I care about it your confusion between legitimate science and pseudoscience. You continue to provide evidence that you do not understand the assumptions, methods, and nature of how legitimate science is practiced. But don&#039;t worry, Eugene. It&#039;s hardly personal, so don&#039;t take that way. You are right, we don&#039;t know each other, and we never will. These are only bits of digital data on a computer screen that express ideas. Don&#039;t let it get you down or upset. If we can&#039;t connect and help each other out intellectually, we&#039;ll both be ok. Good luck, Eugene. It seems that we are finished (at least for now ;-) Take care. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/07/report-man-was-hired-to-keep-shelly-miscavige-from-escaping-scientology-base-near-la/comment-page-1/#comment-458837">Eugene K</a>.</p>
<p>Eugene, I am not psychoanalyzing you. I have not asked you to disclose anything about your mother or father, or any of your developmental psychosexual experiences. All I have done is respond to the ideas that you have expressed on this blog. A portion of my responses have been critical (perhaps superciliously so), a portion have recommended other thinkers that I find interesting and helpful (which you summarily and completely dismiss), and a portion of my responses simply characterize your responses, all of which seems to offend you quite easily (especially, it seems, when I suggest that you study psychology or neuroscience). Your only condition that I care about it your confusion between legitimate science and pseudoscience. You continue to provide evidence that you do not understand the assumptions, methods, and nature of how legitimate science is practiced. But don&#8217;t worry, Eugene. It&#8217;s hardly personal, so don&#8217;t take that way. You are right, we don&#8217;t know each other, and we never will. These are only bits of digital data on a computer screen that express ideas. Don&#8217;t let it get you down or upset. If we can&#8217;t connect and help each other out intellectually, we&#8217;ll both be ok. Good luck, Eugene. It seems that we are finished (at least for now 😉 Take care. </p>
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