Must be a very weird feeling, seeing no one from the past. That, too, points to what has been said so often here…the czerch is dying. Few of the oldies left, very few newbies coming aboard. Thanks very much for your replies.

“The thing that irks me to no end is these sleazy, shadowy front groups that appear to have nothing to do with scientology.” I’m with you on that. I have wondered many times, “If SCN works why lie your pants off about everything.” I don’t like liars.

Hmm. Interesting point. What you say makes sense. The WISE I knew was there to collect fees from Singer, Hollander and other consulting companies that were forming up and being very successful. It was all about the money. It was my job at one point to collect fees from every Scientologist who had a business, not just the ones profiting from delivering LRH Admin Tech. I refused to do it. Boy, did I get in trouble. I was so naive. I kept saying “Where’s the LRH tech that says to do that?” I was squashed like a bug. I quit and had to pay WISE $2,000 for some stupid course they made me take and I went to Flag and spent another $20,000 for the clean-up because I was so upset by the injustice. As a result of all the reports I wrote, WISE stopped trying to fleece every Scientology business. One small victory.

Yes, with her business in Clearwater. I assume that’s why she is not vocal, too close and they probably have agreement (?). The year I went to Flag events in ’11, I never did run into him, actually no one from past, all stranger and most from other countries.

Thanks for the update. His sister is out and living in the same city? I wonder how “that” works for him? Good on the headman for spotting the bogeyman in his midst!

He’s in Clearwater, has a vitamin business plus, here for quite awhile, but travels I’m sure. Back in 70’s he had that small afro curlly hair thing. I believe he infiltrated Mayo’s group, then I saw him around ’85 at Flag. 6-7 years ago he sold vitimins to a Healing Center I was familiar with and the head man didn’t get hooked as he knew Scn, but like his products for the money I guess. They did try to hook him however. Guess they ran out of Chiropracters in this area.
His sister Marsha Friedman-Ulan has a PR business here also. She left the cult over a year ago and was on Marty’s blog, but seems to stay hidden it seems. I had met her early 70’s, then lost touch.

Ah, then I knew him fairly well. Wondered what had become of him. Is he still in LA, the last place I ever saw him?