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	Comments on: The secret of everything? It&#8217;s time for Scientology&#8217;s Original Operating Thetan Level Five!	</title>
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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tory Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454926&quot;&gt;SciWatcher&lt;/a&gt;.

Medical Science has proven that what one THINKS about their bodies *can* and often does affect them. On OT 5 to OT 7 at least, imagine being filled with thoughts that you are covered with not only BT&#039;s dead beings/Body Thetans)...but they&#039;re unconscious from OT 5 on. 

Plus on OT 3 they&#039;re just on you, supposedly. From OT 5 on ...they can be 1 mile away, 1000 miles away, a planet away! So imagine believing that 24/7 month after month, often year after year.  It didn&#039;t get me that way...but I did nearly die after OT 3, for the last time trying to get off of my medication for Epilepsy. 

I knew about their weirdo practices with illnesses, having experienced it for 20+ years. Thankfully....not consciously...but subconsciously I knew they would HAVE to take me to a Scio-Dr and I&#039;d probably die going there, just as Lisa did, some years later. So I called s/one I knew was &quot;on the fence&quot; ...all this while going into multiple Grand mal Seizures. HE, Jerry Hall, took me to Morton Plant Hospital about 1 mile away, next to Flag, thankfully.

The Doctors there told me; &quot;You nearly died. A few more minutes and you would have been gone. We barely were able to pull you out of this&quot;. $cientology? Why do I speak out? HELLO YOU MORONS!

Thank you to Jerry Hall forever and ever.
Thank you to every single person who helps expose this insidious organization. My love,
Tory/Magoo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454926">SciWatcher</a>.</p>
<p>Medical Science has proven that what one THINKS about their bodies *can* and often does affect them. On OT 5 to OT 7 at least, imagine being filled with thoughts that you are covered with not only BT&#8217;s dead beings/Body Thetans)&#8230;but they&#8217;re unconscious from OT 5 on. </p>
<p>Plus on OT 3 they&#8217;re just on you, supposedly. From OT 5 on &#8230;they can be 1 mile away, 1000 miles away, a planet away! So imagine believing that 24/7 month after month, often year after year.  It didn&#8217;t get me that way&#8230;but I did nearly die after OT 3, for the last time trying to get off of my medication for Epilepsy. </p>
<p>I knew about their weirdo practices with illnesses, having experienced it for 20+ years. Thankfully&#8230;.not consciously&#8230;but subconsciously I knew they would HAVE to take me to a Scio-Dr and I&#8217;d probably die going there, just as Lisa did, some years later. So I called s/one I knew was &#8220;on the fence&#8221; &#8230;all this while going into multiple Grand mal Seizures. HE, Jerry Hall, took me to Morton Plant Hospital about 1 mile away, next to Flag, thankfully.</p>
<p>The Doctors there told me; &#8220;You nearly died. A few more minutes and you would have been gone. We barely were able to pull you out of this&#8221;. $cientology? Why do I speak out? HELLO YOU MORONS!</p>
<p>Thank you to Jerry Hall forever and ever.<br />
Thank you to every single person who helps expose this insidious organization. My love,<br />
Tory/Magoo</p>
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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tory Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454013&quot;&gt;Bradley Greenwood&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL Bradley :) Thanks for that!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454013">Bradley Greenwood</a>.</p>
<p>LOL Bradley 🙂 Thanks for that!</p>
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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tory Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454867&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

Nope, &quot;Guest&quot;...I don&#039;t &quot;try&quot; weird techs anymore. I actually wrapped that up in 1997 when I quietly QUIT Auditing forever: This lifetime and lifetime after lifetime after lifetime&quot;.

 (That was after being ordered to &quot;See if you can walk down the street and not think about your case&quot; (basically NOT have *a* thought). (Imagine: Don&#039;t think about an elephant! Years later top tech people who had left C of $ told me: &quot;That is THE squirrelist process we&#039;ve ever heard of&quot;).

After 2 driveways, I stood out in the street,put my arms crossed above may head (&quot;The Thetan Hand&quot; routine I was taught to CUT lines with BTs when nothing else will work)...and ended off my years of trying to &quot;Get OT&quot;. BOOM! DONE. It still took a few years for me to fully wake up, but that was a big one in the road out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454867">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>Nope, &#8220;Guest&#8221;&#8230;I don&#8217;t &#8220;try&#8221; weird techs anymore. I actually wrapped that up in 1997 when I quietly QUIT Auditing forever: This lifetime and lifetime after lifetime after lifetime&#8221;.</p>
<p> (That was after being ordered to &#8220;See if you can walk down the street and not think about your case&#8221; (basically NOT have *a* thought). (Imagine: Don&#8217;t think about an elephant! Years later top tech people who had left C of $ told me: &#8220;That is THE squirrelist process we&#8217;ve ever heard of&#8221;).</p>
<p>After 2 driveways, I stood out in the street,put my arms crossed above may head (&#8220;The Thetan Hand&#8221; routine I was taught to CUT lines with BTs when nothing else will work)&#8230;and ended off my years of trying to &#8220;Get OT&#8221;. BOOM! DONE. It still took a few years for me to fully wake up, but that was a big one in the road out.</p>
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		By: cdub		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cdub]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2014 01:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454006&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the confirmation. I&#039;ve been reviewing all the trash I was force fed for 10 years when this one popped out at me. I definitely remember it being discussed at length around our org but couldn&#039;t think of any specific process or training that accomplished it. I vaguely can imagine Hubbard&#039;s voice on tape saying something like this too. And then Hubbard&#039;s death and the strange glorification of him (the thetan) speeding off to wherever. As if he accomplished this on a grand scale.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454006">MaxSpaceman</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the confirmation. I&#8217;ve been reviewing all the trash I was force fed for 10 years when this one popped out at me. I definitely remember it being discussed at length around our org but couldn&#8217;t think of any specific process or training that accomplished it. I vaguely can imagine Hubbard&#8217;s voice on tape saying something like this too. And then Hubbard&#8217;s death and the strange glorification of him (the thetan) speeding off to wherever. As if he accomplished this on a grand scale.</p>
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		By: Sydjazz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sydjazz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2014 22:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-455165&quot;&gt;Skip Press&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder if he liked the english pudding spotted dick]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-455165">Skip Press</a>.</p>
<p>I wonder if he liked the english pudding spotted dick</p>
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		By: Sydjazz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sydjazz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2014 22:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[$288,000 for lying on your back and day dreaming! Woah! I just had a cognition. This is the biggest scam in the entire history of the world]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$288,000 for lying on your back and day dreaming! Woah! I just had a cognition. This is the biggest scam in the entire history of the world</p>
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		By: Shirley Eugeste		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirley Eugeste]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2014 06:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-455625&quot;&gt;Douglas D. Douglas&lt;/a&gt;.

I know nothing about Scientology, except what I learn here, so I feel I have to contribute in other ways.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-455625">Douglas D. Douglas</a>.</p>
<p>I know nothing about Scientology, except what I learn here, so I feel I have to contribute in other ways.</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2014 06:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454912&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

Wish I could give you another upvote for identifying the Revere Ware.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/05/the-secret-of-everything-its-time-for-scientologys-original-operating-thetan-level-five/comment-page-1/#comment-454912">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>Wish I could give you another upvote for identifying the Revere Ware.</p>
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		By: ömölö		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ömölö]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oh these condemned believers lost in cognitions and having lost al the money. poor misguided souls.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh these condemned believers lost in cognitions and having lost al the money. poor misguided souls.</p>
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		By: Skip Press		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skip Press]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once again we see Hubbard plagiarized wantonly to come up with stuff to sell. Obviously, this obsession with spots comes from the Dick and Jane kids reading books that were popular during the 1930s to 1970s. Dick and Jane&#039;s cat was named Spot, then they changed Spot to a dog later on. This confused Hubbard and made him obsessive about Spots. Consider sample lines from the books: &quot;See Dick. See Jane. See Spot. See Spot run.&quot; The series was discontinued after sex change operations began and some crank writer threw in the line &quot;See Jane&#039;s Dick.&quot; That line alone no doubt prompted the sexually confused Hubbard to come up with OT5. This stuff is hard to figure out but you can if you&#039;re diligent enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again we see Hubbard plagiarized wantonly to come up with stuff to sell. Obviously, this obsession with spots comes from the Dick and Jane kids reading books that were popular during the 1930s to 1970s. Dick and Jane&#8217;s cat was named Spot, then they changed Spot to a dog later on. This confused Hubbard and made him obsessive about Spots. Consider sample lines from the books: &#8220;See Dick. See Jane. See Spot. See Spot run.&#8221; The series was discontinued after sex change operations began and some crank writer threw in the line &#8220;See Jane&#8217;s Dick.&#8221; That line alone no doubt prompted the sexually confused Hubbard to come up with OT5. This stuff is hard to figure out but you can if you&#8217;re diligent enough.</p>
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