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		By: sookiesookie		</title>
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		By: GrandEclectus		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I knew someone who worked for RadioShack in Ohio back in the early 1980s. This was the days of cobbled together home computing, ham radio, transistors...and tubes. A couple of scamtolgists brought an e-meter to the store, saying it didn&#039;t work. My friend opened it up and found the issue....there was NOTHING in it. NOTHING. They told the dummies they couldn&#039;t fix it, and sent them on their merry way.
Dumbazzes!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew someone who worked for RadioShack in Ohio back in the early 1980s. This was the days of cobbled together home computing, ham radio, transistors&#8230;and tubes. A couple of scamtolgists brought an e-meter to the store, saying it didn&#8217;t work. My friend opened it up and found the issue&#8230;.there was NOTHING in it. NOTHING. They told the dummies they couldn&#8217;t fix it, and sent them on their merry way.<br />
Dumbazzes!</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-457813&quot;&gt;Charlotte&lt;/a&gt;.

I wish you best of luck.  Thanks for the reply.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-457813">Charlotte</a>.</p>
<p>I wish you best of luck.  Thanks for the reply.</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 13:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-457814&quot;&gt;Charlotte&lt;/a&gt;.

It is very common for parents to blame themselves and start second guessing every decision they made.  This happens more than one would realize.  Hang in there.


Individual and family therapy helped us a lot.  Having my daughter just  grow up was important, too.  As intelligent as she was, she always seemed a couple years behind in maturity.  Finally in her very late teen and early 20s she is getting caught up with her peers.


This is for the long haul, and there will be ups and downs.  Find people that you can talk to..  Have outlets for just you as parents because you will need them.


It will get better, but that is going to take some time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-457814">Charlotte</a>.</p>
<p>It is very common for parents to blame themselves and start second guessing every decision they made.  This happens more than one would realize.  Hang in there.</p>
<p>Individual and family therapy helped us a lot.  Having my daughter just  grow up was important, too.  As intelligent as she was, she always seemed a couple years behind in maturity.  Finally in her very late teen and early 20s she is getting caught up with her peers.</p>
<p>This is for the long haul, and there will be ups and downs.  Find people that you can talk to..  Have outlets for just you as parents because you will need them.</p>
<p>It will get better, but that is going to take some time.</p>
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		By: Charlotte		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448948&quot;&gt;Sanddancer&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for sharing your perspective with me. We&#039;ve seen him blossom on the stage, which we nurture as the theatre is a big part of our household. I&#039;ve thought that gym classes might be of benefit as well, as a way to channel excess energy and help him focus his strength and actions. He&#039;s expressed an interest in magic, so I&#039;m trying to encourage that as I feel that learning to keep practising and perfecting his routines will be a good lesson for him about not expecting everything to be perfect right away. If that makes sense. We are also hoping that counselling with an impartial party (as we do try and keep the lines of communication open at home) will help him. Help us all.
I&#039;m sorry that times have been hard for you. Being on these boards has caused a lot of memories I&#039;d repressed to come bubble out. It answered for me where my Co$ fixation came from, but it&#039;s also been difficult. I&#039;m very grateful that you have been kind enough to help me. Please let me know if I can return the favour. 
Charlotte]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448948">Sanddancer</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for sharing your perspective with me. We&#8217;ve seen him blossom on the stage, which we nurture as the theatre is a big part of our household. I&#8217;ve thought that gym classes might be of benefit as well, as a way to channel excess energy and help him focus his strength and actions. He&#8217;s expressed an interest in magic, so I&#8217;m trying to encourage that as I feel that learning to keep practising and perfecting his routines will be a good lesson for him about not expecting everything to be perfect right away. If that makes sense. We are also hoping that counselling with an impartial party (as we do try and keep the lines of communication open at home) will help him. Help us all.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry that times have been hard for you. Being on these boards has caused a lot of memories I&#8217;d repressed to come bubble out. It answered for me where my Co$ fixation came from, but it&#8217;s also been difficult. I&#8217;m very grateful that you have been kind enough to help me. Please let me know if I can return the favour.<br />
Charlotte</p>
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		By: Charlotte		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448962&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, it is a comfort to feel that we aren&#039;t alone in these experiences. I&#039;ve had many moments of late of feeling like a total failure, and it can be hard to find the fortitude to stay positive. A doctor we had referred to us is apparently not taking new patients for the rest of the year, so I&#039;m still looking, but we&#039;ll get there. I&#039;ll definitely make sure we&#039;re all comfortable.
Thanks again for always being so uplifting on these boards. Just in general, I see you respond and upvote and spread a sense of kindness. Lovely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448962">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, it is a comfort to feel that we aren&#8217;t alone in these experiences. I&#8217;ve had many moments of late of feeling like a total failure, and it can be hard to find the fortitude to stay positive. A doctor we had referred to us is apparently not taking new patients for the rest of the year, so I&#8217;m still looking, but we&#8217;ll get there. I&#8217;ll definitely make sure we&#8217;re all comfortable.<br />
Thanks again for always being so uplifting on these boards. Just in general, I see you respond and upvote and spread a sense of kindness. Lovely.</p>
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		By: Charlotte		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448973&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Missionary Kid. Your advice is sound and much is what we&#039;ve already been doing. Greatly appreciate your words and will keep them in mind. We&#039;ve found denying him computer privileges - which we definitely stay firm on - to be the most effective way to show him consequences. We have also started consulting appropriate specialists. 
Charlotte]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448973">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Missionary Kid. Your advice is sound and much is what we&#8217;ve already been doing. Greatly appreciate your words and will keep them in mind. We&#8217;ve found denying him computer privileges &#8211; which we definitely stay firm on &#8211; to be the most effective way to show him consequences. We have also started consulting appropriate specialists.<br />
Charlotte</p>
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		By: Moonshot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moonshot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2014 00:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448322&quot;&gt;Eivol Ekdal&lt;/a&gt;.

The needle will move in the same direction the operator moves the Tone Arm.
Once the sensitivity setting is set at the beginning of the session so that the needle stays in the set area, the operator will not have to touch or move the Tone Arm again until there is a major read. Primarliy this major read would be whats called a &quot;Long Fall Blow Down.&quot; A Fall read is a move of the needle to the right. Hubbard felt this LFBD was associated with major &quot;charge&quot; blowing off the preclear.
It is important for the operator to keep the needle in the set area during the LFBD cuz generally once this read plays out the needle will go into the &quot;Floating Needle&quot; read. The floating needle almost always will result in the end of the session, so if the operator misses this read, they run the risk of &quot;over running&quot; the preclear which will can cause them to feel bad after the session. Therefore, during the LFBD the operator will be moving the Tone Arm counter-clockwise (leftward from a static position) as much as needed to keep the needle in view (not pegged).
Again, not saying Scn is valid, just describing the doctrine and technique.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448322">Eivol Ekdal</a>.</p>
<p>The needle will move in the same direction the operator moves the Tone Arm.<br />
Once the sensitivity setting is set at the beginning of the session so that the needle stays in the set area, the operator will not have to touch or move the Tone Arm again until there is a major read. Primarliy this major read would be whats called a &#8220;Long Fall Blow Down.&#8221; A Fall read is a move of the needle to the right. Hubbard felt this LFBD was associated with major &#8220;charge&#8221; blowing off the preclear.<br />
It is important for the operator to keep the needle in the set area during the LFBD cuz generally once this read plays out the needle will go into the &#8220;Floating Needle&#8221; read. The floating needle almost always will result in the end of the session, so if the operator misses this read, they run the risk of &#8220;over running&#8221; the preclear which will can cause them to feel bad after the session. Therefore, during the LFBD the operator will be moving the Tone Arm counter-clockwise (leftward from a static position) as much as needed to keep the needle in view (not pegged).<br />
Again, not saying Scn is valid, just describing the doctrine and technique.</p>
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		By: Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 20:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-455268&quot;&gt;Moonshot&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the long and thoughtful comment, Moonshot. The person who told me about the randomness was a former auditor, though I don&#039;t remember what class. 


The science in auditing continues to remain very suspect to me. Perhaps, as you say, the science is limited to helping a person feel good, and at times help him with some problems, much like the psychotherapy of the mid-century when it Dianetics was developed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-455268">Moonshot</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the long and thoughtful comment, Moonshot. The person who told me about the randomness was a former auditor, though I don&#8217;t remember what class. </p>
<p>The science in auditing continues to remain very suspect to me. Perhaps, as you say, the science is limited to helping a person feel good, and at times help him with some problems, much like the psychotherapy of the mid-century when it Dianetics was developed.</p>
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		By: Moonshot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moonshot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448147&quot;&gt;Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, there is not science in terms of peer reviewed examination of the activity, but their is a well developed methodology and technique that is well codified and specific. Whowever told you about the facial thing and radom meter reads is feeding you a line of bull.
I am not saying that Scientology works beyond giving a person a sense of &quot;feeling good&quot; at a given moment, however, i have trained on the meter and there is nothing random about it. When asked questions the meter does react as the person holds the cans and their are specific types of reads.
In a general way, the auditor does look at facial expressions. Is the pc smiling or crying? etc. But in metered auditing, the meter is the main tool.
Largely, i think the meter subject is a meaningly distraction. Yes, the thing does work as far as it goes. Yes, the thing is vastly overpriced. But the main point is the Cof$ organization is a vicious money grubbing cult. In the larger scheme of Scientology bashing, the meter is neither here nor there. It is the churches policy directives that are so damn evil and destructive.
Personally, completely separate from Scientology, i think the meter is a pretty cool item having played around with in quite a bit, but ultimately is the thing greatly useful to mankind? i have no idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/02/01/jon-atack-takes-apart-the-scientology-emeter/comment-page-1/#comment-448147">Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack</a>.</p>
<p>Well, there is not science in terms of peer reviewed examination of the activity, but their is a well developed methodology and technique that is well codified and specific. Whowever told you about the facial thing and radom meter reads is feeding you a line of bull.<br />
I am not saying that Scientology works beyond giving a person a sense of &#8220;feeling good&#8221; at a given moment, however, i have trained on the meter and there is nothing random about it. When asked questions the meter does react as the person holds the cans and their are specific types of reads.<br />
In a general way, the auditor does look at facial expressions. Is the pc smiling or crying? etc. But in metered auditing, the meter is the main tool.<br />
Largely, i think the meter subject is a meaningly distraction. Yes, the thing does work as far as it goes. Yes, the thing is vastly overpriced. But the main point is the Cof$ organization is a vicious money grubbing cult. In the larger scheme of Scientology bashing, the meter is neither here nor there. It is the churches policy directives that are so damn evil and destructive.<br />
Personally, completely separate from Scientology, i think the meter is a pretty cool item having played around with in quite a bit, but ultimately is the thing greatly useful to mankind? i have no idea.</p>
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